Okay I wanna say some things
Both Tonya and Veronca were wrong in this situation. Veronica should've walked away and Tonya needs to stop Drinking and bringing up old crap from the challleges. She needs to stop palying the victim and take responsibility for her life. Her going crazy was not even fun to watch.
Katie just acted stupid. I really hope that this is her last challenge. Glad that Sarah sent her packing.
Evan once again showed why he is such a ****. I will NEVER understand why this idiot has fans. He, John, and Kenny are the ones that have messed with Tonya the most but when something like this happens then Evan goes and not only Blames Veronica but yet act like he is her Friend. Wes was so right in what he said.
I find it funny how Darell can pick his opponet yet Katie can't.
I admit I'm kinda sad that Danny left. He was really nice this time around.
Oh and Casey has just shown why the challengers needed to get rid of her last episode.
[QUOTE=VRevis;132127]I'm confused about the Tonya/Veronica fight. I saw the clip on YouTube that showed more of the argument, and I saw the daily "In Tonya's Defense". In the YouTube clip, for some reason the slap/fight was never shown. Veronica yelled at Tonya to hit her, about midway through, Tonya said no, Tonya yelled at Veronica saying she didn't know whether she likes p**** or d*** better, and at the end of the YouTube clip, they both seemed to be over it. Veronica was across the room yelling "Are we done, now?" then asked Tonya "So do you like p**** or d***", and Tonya answered "I like d***". And she was kind of laughing when she said it. Did it start up again and the slap happened after all this, because everyone in the room just seemed amused at this point, and Evan joked about there being "sexual tension" between the two girls.
I'm missing something. =P[/QUOTE]
Neither of the clips (including last night's show) are comprehensive (well, as complete as they could be, taking editing out what they didn't show us out of the picture, because obviously they wouldn't show it unedited). I mean that the clips each show some fragments of what happened. I think the argument was not over after the sexuality questioning. I think the slap had to have happened after that. I doubt they would be acting in that manner after the slap happened.
Kenny annoys me the most out of them, too, CRG.
I don't think anyone thought Danny was a great competitor. He just seemed to be someone who was trying to rally his team together to win.
Oh, and I forgot that Wes tried to break up the fight between Tonya and Veronica, and Evan tried to STOP Wes from doing so, initially. So that was a really quick turnaround from him.
Casey REALLY sucks as a competitor.:yucky:
Can someone remind me WHY she keeps getting asked back?! I really thought the Challengers had this one in the bag, especially with Sarah's stellar performance, but that bimbo can't even hold her breath for half of a second without freaking out!:crying:
[QUOTE=Insider;132125]No? I will. What in the heck was going on there?[/QUOTE]
How creepy was it at the end when Kenny closed the curtain? His eye like sparkled or did some weird ****.
Anyone notice at the end when Evan and Kenny were talking on the bed strategy and such, the very last image was of Kenny closing the curtain...
Good ol' man love, anyone?!:D
I mean, Evan doesn't have V to cuddle with anymore after screwing her gamewise.;)
OK, I'm gonna play devils' advocate once again and defend Evan and Kenny in the Tonya situation. In my eyes, they may be *******s but they're not monsters. Regardless of what they did/said to Tonya previously on the challenge, they're not going to stand idly by and not comfort her when she's upset about something really big that just happened--they're obviously going to console her. This doesn't make them perfect angels, don't get me wrong, but I think it's unfair to call them hypocrites just because they did something nice for once.
Also, I don't hate Johnny on this challenge, absent of what he did to Evelyn. I think it may be because he's on the outskirts of Kevin and doesn't feel like he has to act as asinine as the two of them.
I agree with you behindme about everything you said. I also think that Johnney is still working with Kenny and Even but I think he is trying to lay low this challenge and let Kenny and Even take all the heat, because he didn't like the backlash he recived after The Island.
I'm not calling them hypocrites. I'm just saying Evan tried to stop Wes from trying to stop the fight. That did actually happen. I think once Tonya broke down crying, they did realize she was deeply disturbed about the whole thing.
[QUOTE=behindme;132161]OK, I'm gonna play devils' advocate once again and defend Evan and Kenny in the Tonya situation. In my eyes, they may be *******s but they're not monsters. Regardless of what they did/said to Tonya previously on the challenge, they're not going to stand idly by and not comfort her when she's upset about something really big that just happened--they're obviously going to console her. This doesn't make them perfect angels, don't get me wrong, but I think it's unfair to call them hypocrites just because they did something nice for once.
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Oh that is BS. You don't pick on someone then all of a sudden try to console them and be their friend. You're right they aren't monsters but they don't really care about Tonya. They don't get to be the good guys/heroes this time especially when Evan sat there and blamed Veronica and pissed off Katie ealier in the episode.
I'm not saying their flip-flopping is right, but it's human nature to want to comfort someone who is upset, which is why I said they're not monsters. I know that I've been around people who I don't necessarily care for when they're upset, and I'm not like, "Whatever, you deal with it." I give them a hug and let them cry it out on my shoulder. Yeah, I think that Evan saying, "We're her family," blah blah blah was all for show, but the actual act of comforting, I feel, was genuine.
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I don't know why everyone is taking Tonya's side. Evan made that speech "We are HER family and would do anything for her" just for camera time. He is full of BS. Half the cast doesn't even hang out with eachother after the shows. If he really felt remorse for her, then why make fun of her and bother her constantly? especially since he knew the circumstances she was in. it's only after she leaves does he give the speech and show "sorrow".
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Here's my take on it. Yes, Tonya has issues, and yes, she was coming from a bad place before this challenge. But at least she was up front about that. She was very self aware of how she was acting, right or wrong. I'm sure that when she got to this challenge she was hoping for a "family" environment (albeit a dysfunctional one) because anything would probably be better than what she was going through. That doesn't make her constant drinking/yelling okay, but those that know her probably knew why she was acting out like this.
Veronica, on the other hand, didn't seem to care. It's like she saw that as a weakness and thought "Ok, I'm just going to provoke this psycho-***** until she cracks." It's obvious that we don't have all the peices to this fight, and we know Veronica said [I]something[/I] that most that were there considered a low blow. She could've ignored Tonya and laughed it off (like it appeared in the daily video). But no, she obviously continued, until the slap heard 'round the world. And it was a damn good slap. And I am convinced V deserved it.
So what? Tonya goes home. Good for her. She probably realized at that point that she needed it. I hope she found family and close friends that were willing to help her out of her horrible time, and she will be stronger for it. That's my opinion.
I am watching some of the episode over again, and I now caught the part when Tonya and V (and Casey) are sitting down outside (a scene before the fight occurred). Tonya was talking about how she was reliving the other challenge. They showed the flashback, and then they cut back to The Ruins, and V said "It was funny." Now, this could be where V made some controversial comment to Tonya. If not, and she was saying that what happened on I2 was funny, that's still not cool, and I can still see how Tonya was set off by V.
I still think both of them were messed up towards each other in the episode, but I see more how V antagonized Tonya to cause the situation to happen. Tonya just kind of snapped at her at a time in which she didn't say much of anything. Tonya was just really upset at the guys, and V saying something small caused her to get Tonya's attention on her, and the past from I2 and what V said on this challenge came rushing to her, clearly.
So it wasn't a case of Tonya just going crazy over the smallest stuff like I thought it was it was (after seeing the second round of Tonya slaps V previews).
Wes called out Evan in his confessional about him acting like he all of a sudden cares about Tonya and how they'll all be there for her in the future. Wes said it best when he called Evan a total hypocrite in his confessional, when just minutes before the Tonya/V fight erupted, he was laughing along with V about how crazy Tonya was getting.:(
Quite frankly, i think the only ones who were being truthful about supporting Tonya were Wes and Cohutta.
Something that disturbed me greatly regarding the Kenny/Evan/Tonya baby powder incident was how dangerous what they did to her can be. She's drunk off her *** and to get showered with that much baby powder can be dangerous to breath in. As an asthma sufferer it was the first thing I thought of. It was totally negligent and I hope she didn't inhale it.
I'm glad the whole group turned on Veronica. She's been a mean girl since her cruise ship days and taken part in ostracizing many girls. I hope that hurt like hell for her. I have a feeling this whole challenge has been humbling for her. I think she's lost a lot of her clout and I hope it's humbled her.
Last, is there something going on between Ibis and Johnny? I sense they are getting close.
Posted this in the other thread but this is from Tonya's twitter..
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I can't wait to hear what V said to her on her blog tonight.
Ibis said her and JB are just good friends on her Twitter account.
I can't blame Veronica for saying something back when Tonya knocked her soup out of her hands and said a bunch of other stuff to her. I don't blame her for being upset, either. But she kind of took things to the usual Veronica level (really snide and sarcastic), when i think she could have just left it alone after a couple of remarks. Because Tonya was obviously being extra wild that night instead of being someone she could just simply and easily argue with. I don't think it would have looked like Tonya got the upper hand on her. But maybe she would have felt that way. This just, from what I've seen, is not easily a situation of person A confronted person B and started this mess, but just a buildup of the past and comments here and there escalating into a blowup.
Basically the thing was a mess on both sides, I can see why both of them got mad at each other, and they both handled things in a bad way. I think they should just avoid each other as much as possible in the future if they can't be around each other without a lot of anger building up in them. They both need to be responsible for their actions.
[QUOTE=behindme;132165]I'm not saying their flip-flopping is right, but it's human nature to want to comfort someone who is upset, which is why I said they're not monsters. I know that I've been around people who I don't necessarily care for when they're upset, and I'm not like, "Whatever, you deal with it." I give them a hug and let them cry it out on my shoulder. Yeah, I think that Evan saying, "We're her family," blah blah blah was all for show, but the actual act of comforting, I feel, was genuine.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with this post and your other post, but people will never agree because they hate Evan and Kenny sooo...lol.
I know Evan's shady and is always playing the game, but he isn't a bad guy. While consoling Tonya and letting her cry, he showed a caring side that we never see. I'm sure he wasn't thinking "I'm hugging Tonya so I can win money!!!!"
[QUOTE=faceless;132207]I know Evan's shady and is always playing the game, but he isn't a bad guy. While consoling Tonya and letting her cry, he showed a caring side that we never see. I'm sure he wasn't thinking "I'm hugging Tonya so I can win money!!!!"[/QUOTE]
Of course he wasn't. Evan isn't as bad as people we may think are like Johnny nand maybe Kenny. Evan is probably the most liked out of JEK. He sure is comical with Kenny tho :) LOVED This episode!
If i had a swimming team, i would make Sarah an honorary member given how well and quick she proved her abilities!:)
Who knows, i'd even make her the captain!;) I'm still a good swimmer but i haven't been in water for almost two years so i'm sure i'd be a little rusty at first trying to get reacquainted with my element, but i'm very quick at regaining the ability to swim fast and swim deep.
Also, who was Katie trying to fool by volunteering? She knew her *** was going in anyway, no way the champs would of put Susie in instead. Seems like the only reason Susie keeps volunteering is because they are so sure they are going to win the challenge (therefor the champs will decide who goes in) hence, Susie feels like she won't be going in regardless.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;132221]Did anyone else notice Kim cracking up when Tonya was yelling at Veronica?[/QUOTE]
Yeah...
Adios, great competitor Kim from Duel 2 and hola again to scummy Kimmy from Hollywood!:(
Yes Famous, thats exactly what the champs think if you notice Susie and Johnny have gone into every diliberation because they want to sway the votes and get rid of certian people on the team. That is what her and Even were talking about in that clip when he told her that him, Kenny, Johnny and herself will never change there votes. The plan is to control whoe goes home thats why the keep voluntiring themselves. I think that Johanna is aprat of the plan as well.
[QUOTE=ElectraWoman;132087]Why is it that Veronica has to realize that Tonya has problems? Why can't it be Tonya that realizes it? Veronica probably said something about her marriage, and Tonya said something about V's sexuality, both pretty bad. She is a grown woman, and just because someone says something doesn't give her the right to get in her face and slap her.
So, in reality, who has more class? The woman who shows up for a TV show, obviously not in the right state of mind, gets wasted every night and gets in a fight, or someone who has never claimed to be the nice girl and said an off handed comment?
Tonya is only a victim because she made herself one, not because Veronica did.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I mean...I won't argue anything you said. But it's clear that Tonya has deeply rooted issues. Granted, she probably never should've gone on The Ruins. But still - she's got some **** she really needs to work out - this wasn't just your average challenge fight.
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