Real World Las Vegas 2: Dustin Shows His Hand, Heather Folds

[QUOTE=cystic;245490]The "he needs to go" comment was stupid indeed...That part perplexed me. I try to chalk it up to them being concerned for his mental well-being (i.e. Hawaii's Ruthie), which could have easily been remedied by having the house meeting right from the beginning on Dustin's terms (not waiting until someone spilled the beans).[/QUOTE] After some of his comments, I can understand why people were like, "WTF?". I definitely see your point. I think that throws him right into the ************* category with Adam.

This is my first post, woo!! I think this whole thing with Dustin has been blown way out of proportion. I think the only person he is really obligated to say anything to is Heather, seeing that they are or were basically in a relationship together. With that being said, as Leroy mentioned, the past is the past. Whether he regrets it or not, he chose not to tell his roommates because he knew he would be judged, which he clearly has been. In meeting someone, I in no way expect them to divulge their entire life story to me, especially things that they simply aren't comfortable with expressing. And to be completely honest, knowing that he did some gay **** in the past doesn't change how I feel about him one bit. I don't really like him for other reasons, but if I were living in the house with him, my feelings about him wouldn't change even in the slightest bit in finding out this information.

[QUOTE=Insider;245475]DING! DING! DING! DING! Ladies and gentlemen.. we have a winner! There is absolutely no difference in what Dustin has done and what 99.9% of the rest of these guys have done.[/QUOTE] Huh? Dustin was paid ''thousands & thousands weekly'' to suck and take a **** in his *** NOT simply pose nude for a site. Let's not be naive here folks

[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;245271]That's rough for Dustin, I feel bad actually, and I really didn't think I would. If I were in the house, I think I would've let this whole thing phase me for maybe 10 minutes, then shrugged it off... If the roommates are so about getting to know each other and what not, they should do the same...[/QUOTE] Let's rewind to the scene where Dustin grinded Mike on the bed Mike reacted creeped out but he shrugged it off as a room mate joke. Now you think Dustin would have done the same if his past was out in the open? Or do you think Mike would have shrugged it off if the truth was known? Of course not. For all we know the other guy room mates might have treated him normally like a locker room setting - worked out together, changed around each other or showered in the open assuming he was LIKE he claimed - a straight guy. All bets would be off once it comes out Dustin is not straight. I would have felt betrayed if I were in Mike/Leroy's shoes. Overall Dustin is lucky Adam is no longer around because **** would have hit the fan

All in all I think too many of you are getting caught up in the homophobe discussion. You have to put yourself in their shoes They are on a reality show that is going to be nationally televised; lives and careers will forever be effected. All bets are off and the Producers have the show/cast set up for drama. They don't know each all that well either (3,4 weeks together) so there is no telling what bombs will be dropped or who you can trust. When something like this occurs you start second guessing all you know on the show Of course they will naturally go against a questionable subject like ********ity. How does the ole saying go, you can build bridges all your life but the day you suck a ****, you'll forever be a **** sucker. There is no getting around this. When it comes to males on this planet, homosexuality has been accepted BUT ********ity is still frowned upon. How often do gays argue homosexuality is NOT A CHOICE? ********ity fights this notion head on because one second you are gay and then the next you are not. ********ity is counter productive to the gay movement. And lo and behold you have Dustin who is the biggest homophobe on the show and yet he's AT LEAST ********; not a coincidence. While I still have my own reservations about whether homosexuality is a choice or not, I certainty would view, interact and treat a gay male differently than a ******** male. With a gay male there is an understanding and no secrets/awkwardness. But with a ******** guy, if he himself does not understand what he is or wants then how can I truly understand/get to know him? It's almost like they are living a lie so how can I trust them? In this day and age I've obviously encountered and worked at jobs with gay males before and I had absolutely no issue with it. Logic would argue I've also encountered and worked with ******** men before BUT that's the difference, they were never open about it. And if one is not open with themselves that causes uneasiness and mis trust.

First, the tl;dr of this: Lots of people are quick to judge and thoughtless while at the same time completely oblivious to the hypocrisy of the things they say or do. This is because people have an idealized image of themselves as inherently moralistic and right. It takes a wise soul to check oneself when oneself is full of ****. Humility is a quality lacking in far too many. Also, I think if Dustin chooses to take a humorous route with respect to this, it could go a long way towards improving people's perception of him. But that's just my opinion. RANT This was so frustrating to watch. For so many reasons. Dustin overcompensating for his uncommon past was just plan strange. I do not understand why he would spend time cracking idiotic remarks about homosexuality, when he HAD to have known that his past would catch up to him. Everyone's reaction (aside from Heather's) was frustrating and flawed in some way. Before I go on, I should say that I do not particularly like Dustin. I think he is a bit of a tool box personality wise. But this guy is not being judged on his personality. The point has already been made a few times in this thread, but the ONLY reason the roomies are chastising him this much is because it was gay ****. The only reason any former cast members are making snide little twitter comments is because it was gay ****. Were it straight ****, there would not be backlash to this degree from anyone except Heather. Throughout the season, Dustin was so protective of this secret because he was afraid of being judged. As it turns out, his fears were not unfounded. Can anyone say, with a even a microcosm of confidence, that if he just came out with it earlier, that the reaction would be any different? It is my opinion that the reactions of the cast members would have been guarded, but no less judgmental. They simply would have kept their judgments to themselves, and the same end result (the result being that their perception of Dustin changed completely) would have occurred. The difference here is, Dustin is now being seen as a liar as well. That gives the roomies adequate justification to say **** like "I think he should have to leave." In reading this thread, much like in watching the episode, I cannot tell whether or not the reaction is to the fact that he was a liar by omission, or because he did gay ****. The line between both has been so blurred that I am beginning to think it is a little bit of both. This is discouraging since a great many people these days like to espouse tolerant and accepting views at the expense of compromising their honesty because it is the trendy thing to do. Leroy is a refreshing cast member. Not because of his views, which are founded on ignorance and assumptions, but because he is honest. People can state their noble views of tolerance and all that **** 'til the end of the world, and people can make the cop out excuse that the only problem they have with Dustin is that he lied, but everyone is on different paths for different reasons. And everyone has been caught in a lie that they absolutely did not want to come out. At the end of the day, it's easy to **** on a guy who is an *******. But it is not admirable to **** on a person when the majority of the people doing the judging would have tried their damndest to keep it a secret just like Dustin did. A lot of people will try to deny this if they put themselves in that scenario, but those people were not confronted with the almost tangible feeling of dread and (for lack of a better word) fear that Dustin likely felt when the single biggest secret of his life was revealed ON CAMERA to six people he has only known for a short time. People are gonna wise crack, because let's face it, the whole thing is kinda funny, but what gets me is that the guy is gonna be judged for the rest of his life based on what he did because he it was gay ****. And that shows a fundamental lack of tolerance. /RANT Oh, and Mike and Leroy are still awesome. And I feel bad for Heather. She was in a tight spot.

For whatever it is worth, reading between the lines from some various posts I have seen directed at Dustin on some of the social networking sites, I believe that Dustin is not really fond of females throwing themselves at him blatantly any more than gay guys hitting on him.

[QUOTE=Mind Riot;245498]First, the tl;dr of this: Lots of people are quick to judge and thoughtless while at the same time completely oblivious to the hypocrisy of the things they say or do. This is because people have an idealized image of themselves as inherently moralistic and right. It takes a wise soul to check oneself when oneself is full of ****. Humility is a quality lacking in far too many. Also, I think if Dustin chooses to take a humorous route with respect to this, it could go a long way towards improving people's perception of him. But that's just my opinion. RANT This was so frustrating to watch. For so many reasons. Dustin overcompensating for his uncommon past was just plan strange. I do not understand why he would spend time cracking idiotic remarks about homosexuality, when he HAD to have known that his past would catch up to him. Everyone's reaction (aside from Heather's) was frustrating and flawed in some way. Before I go on, I should say that I do not particularly like Dustin. I think he is a bit of a tool box personality wise. But this guy is not being judged on his personality. The point has already been made a few times in this thread, but the ONLY reason the roomies are chastising him this much is because it was gay ****. The only reason any former cast members are making snide little twitter comments is because it was gay ****. Were it straight ****, there would not be backlash to this degree from anyone except Heather. Throughout the season, Dustin was so protective of this secret because he was afraid of being judged. As it turns out, his fears were not unfounded. Can anyone say, with a even a microcosm of confidence, that if he just came out with it earlier, that the reaction would be any different? It is my opinion that the reactions of the cast members would have been guarded, but no less judgmental. They simply would have kept their judgments to themselves, and the same end result (the result being that their perception of Dustin changed completely) would have occurred. The difference here is, Dustin is now being seen as a liar as well. That gives the roomies adequate justification to say **** like "I think he should have to leave." In reading this thread, much like in watching the episode, I cannot tell whether or not the reaction is to the fact that he was a liar by omission, or because he did gay ****. The line between both has been so blurred that I am beginning to think it is a little bit of both. This is discouraging since a great many people these days like to espouse tolerant and accepting views at the expense of compromising their honesty because it is the trendy thing to do. Leroy is a refreshing cast member. Not because of his views, which are founded on ignorance and assumptions, but because he is honest. People can state their noble views of tolerance and all that **** 'til the end of the world, and people can make the cop out excuse that the only problem they have with Dustin is that he lied, but everyone is on different paths for different reasons. And everyone has been caught in a lie that they absolutely did not want to come out. At the end of the day, it's easy to **** on a guy who is an *******. But it is not admirable to **** on a person when the majority of the people doing the judging would have tried their damndest to keep it a secret just like Dustin did. A lot of people will try to deny this if they put themselves in that scenario, but those people were not confronted with the almost tangible feeling of dread and (for lack of a better word) fear that Dustin likely felt when the single biggest secret of his life was revealed ON CAMERA to six people he has only known for a short time. People are gonna wise crack, because let's face it, the whole thing is kinda funny, but what gets me is that the guy is gonna be judged for the rest of his life based on what he did because he it was gay ****. And that shows a fundamental lack of tolerance. /RANT Oh, and Mike and Leroy are still awesome. And I feel bad for Heather. She was in a tight spot.[/QUOTE] While I agree with your points, there is one that I think your ignoring He's a guy that's done gay **** that's now having sex with a female cast member. That's weird and uncomfortable. I myself as a male cast member would not only ask him whether he's straight or gay but I would treat him gay either way. And by treating gay I mean i would not change in front of him and would take a peak around whenever I got in the shower etc. But the fact is that he is answering straight which would make me view him as a liar. As I posted in another thread, I've encountered and worked with gay males and it was nothing out of the ordinary BUT I've never encountered/worked with a ******** male. Because they are secretive and that leads to mistrust and awkwardness. There is ALWAYS a gay cast mate on Real World so the cast is knowingly going in expecting a homosexual, so I don't think you can say they want him out because he did gay ****. It rightfully has more to do with him lying and the thought of what else is he lying about? And let's not ignore the ridiculous HIV statistics for a gay ********

[QUOTE=SPENCERlife;245501]While I agree with your points, there is one that I think your ignoring He's a guy that's done gay **** that's now having sex with a female cast member. That's weird and uncomfortable. I myself as a male cast member would not only ask him whether he's straight or gay but I would treat him gay either way. And by treating gay I mean i would not change in front of him and would take a peak around whenever I got in the shower etc. But the fact is that he is answering straight which would make me view him as a liar. As I posted in another thread, I've encountered and worked with gay males and it was nothing out of the ordinary BUT I've never encountered/worked with a ******** male. Because they are secretive and that leads to mistrust and awkwardness. There is ALWAYS a gay cast mate on Real World so the cast is knowingly going in expecting a homosexual, so I don't think you can say they want him out because he did gay ****. It rightfully has more to do with him lying and the thought of what else is he lying about? And let's not ignore the ridiculous HIV statistics for a gay *************] You are right about that

[QUOTE=Insider;245475]DING! DING! DING! DING! Ladies and gentlemen.. we have a winner! There is absolutely no difference in what Dustin has done and what 99.9% of the rest of these guys have done.[/QUOTE] When Nany is talking to Naomi about how Dustin perhaps could have mentioned that he did ****, and Naomi emphasizes, "GAY ****," it's clear how from their perspective that the gayness put it in a very different category.

[QUOTE=IndySkye;245511]When Nany is talking to Naomi about how Dustin perhaps could have mentioned that he did ****, and Naomi emphasizes, "GAY ****," it's clear how from their perspective that the gayness put it in a very different category.[/QUOTE] Thats because there is a difference. Not that it's wrong to be gay or anything like that but if you as a straight person find out your partner did gay **** it changes a hell of alot more things than if they just did straight ****. You have to think are they gay? Are they ********? Does this mean they will want to keep seeing guys? It's a lot more messy than if he just did straight ****. As for Dustin he's in denial. Sounds to me this older guy he's talking about scouts for young vulnerable naive guys and introduces them slowly to more and more extreme stuff. The fact Dustin is still defending this guy shows he has his hooks in deep. I still don't like Dustin but I do feel sorry for him.

A good article by Andy Dehnart ([URL="http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_real_world_25/2011_Apr_28_gay_sex_exposed"]Reality Blurred[/URL]) for the Daily Beast: [URL="http://bit.ly/jBoYDI"]The Real World's Dustin Zito on His Gay **** Past[/URL]

[QUOTE=101flyboy;245466]The bottom line is, several of the cast mates have had numerous sexual partners, and yet no-one bats an eye. Yet, Dustin, in a controlled environment, has sex (and they don't even know that since he said he didn't, and that they just did nude photos and solo ***************** we know now are all lies), with other men, and a couple of the cast mates flipped out about it. Heather, Naomi and Leroy need to check their biases and make changes. Their homophobia was exposed in the episode. And, with Heather, she has no excuse. Being from small town conservative New Jersey is not an excuse when you are sleeping with the same-sex, and then condemning others for doing the same thing, solely because the gender combination is male and not female.[/QUOTE] It seemed to me the guys were pissed because he lied so much their main argument was that he acted so homophobic yet did gay ****. They seemed upset that they'd been lied to more than that he was doing gay ****. Leroy even said in his little chat with Dustin that he'd learn from the experience not to be so homophobic. But then Dustin keeps changing his story and I think they just got fed up with it. Heather seemed upset by him doing **** full stop the fact that it was with guys just added to the whole confusion for her. Though her running around telling the guys about it put me off her.

I could live, interact, shower, share a room, share food with, etc, without inhibition someone like Mike Manning or Dustin Zito. I couldn't live in the same building as someone like Tyler Duckworth. Not sure where that puts me on the homophobia scale in other people's eyes. I just don't see it as a big of an issue in terms of gay, straight, bi, whatever. It is more that Mike and Dustin are not in your face guys, and Tyler was on his season of RW. I understand how he didn't tell Heather but agree that he should have told her. I think Leroy handled it about as well as he could, and Naomi didn't seem phased at all by any of it. Not sure about Nany or Cooke based on what was shown, but Heather and Mike didn't come across well to me. Heather I get it was in a tough spot. Mike just seems over the top in his hatred for Dustin. Writing a letter rather than sitting down with the guy is like a middle-school thing to do IMO.

[QUOTE=Bacchus;245513]A good article by Andy Dehnart ([URL="http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_real_world_25/2011_Apr_28_gay_sex_exposed"]Reality Blurred[/URL]) for the Daily Beast: [URL="http://bit.ly/jBoYDI"]The Real World's Dustin Zito on His Gay **** Past[/URL][/QUOTE] Great article, thank you for sharing.

[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;245519]I could live, interact, shower, share a room, share food with, etc, without inhibition someone like Mike Manning or Dustin Zito. I couldn't live in the same building as someone like Tyler Duckworth. Not sure where that puts me on the homophobia scale in other people's eyes. I just don't see it as a big of an issue in terms of gay, straight, bi, whatever. It is more that Mike and Dustin are not in your face guys, and Tyler was on his season of RW. I understand how he didn't tell Heather but agree that he should have told her. I think Leroy handled it about as well as he could, and Naomi didn't seem phased at all by any of it. Not sure about Nany or Cooke based on what was shown, but Heather and Mike didn't come across well to me. Heather I get it was in a tough spot. Mike just seems over the top in his hatred for Dustin. Writing a letter rather than sitting down with the guy is like a middle-school thing to do IMO.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what that means at all, honestly, especially if you "don't see it as a big of an issue in terms of gay, straight, bi, whatever". Would you not want to live in the same building as Tyler because he's gay, or would you not want to live in the same building as Tyler because he can have the tendency to be loud and obnoxious and you just don't like him as a person very much?

[QUOTE=molds13;245523]I'm not sure what that means at all, honestly, especially if you "don't see it as a big of an issue in terms of gay, straight, bi, whatever". Would you not want to live in the same building as Tyler because he's gay, or would you not want to live in the same building as Tyler because he can have the tendency to be loud and obnoxious and you just don't like him as a person very much?[/QUOTE] Derrick and Chet told stories about Tyler on the podcast. Derrick said Tyler would randomly come up to you and pull out his package or randomly prance around in weird underwear. I can see that being uncomfortable for some people since that's just uncomfortable in general, not just because it's gay.

[QUOTE=molds13;245523]I'm not sure what that means at all, honestly, especially if you "don't see it as a big of an issue in terms of gay, straight, bi, whatever". Would you not want to live in the same building as Tyler because he's gay, or would you not want to live in the same building as Tyler because he can have the tendency to be loud and obnoxious and you just don't like him as a person very much?[/QUOTE] In my mind it is because he is obnoxious with his sexuality. I could say the same for some rather over-the-top straight girls I know as well.

[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;245526]In my mind it is because he is obnoxious with his sexuality. I could say the same for some rather over-the-top straight girls I know as well.[/QUOTE] OK. In my opinion, you don't like him more so because of his character and his personality, not necessarily because of his sexuality. I wouldn't say that makes you a homophobe of any sort.

Okay, even though I know what everyone is talking about is very important stuff. But please tell me that I am not the only person (guy) that is super pumped for next week for nany and heather!! Dare I say hottest girls ever to kiss and do what they did (from the preview) ever on the real world!!

[QUOTE=TDMEL52;245529]Okay, even though I know what everyone is talking about is very important stuff. But please tell me that I am not the only person (guy) that is super pumped for next week for nany and heather!! Dare I say hottest girls ever to kiss and do what they did (from the preview) ever on the real world!![/QUOTE] Pumped to see them in bikinis moreso than the kissing stuff. ************ action never really excites me, but that may be because I have known lesbians since birth so it is no biggy for me.

Am I the only one who remembers form the dailies Dustin being like "its weird to me because we don't see that in Louisiana", "it just looks weird", well that's about when it turns from omitting something to straight up lying. He completely steered that poor girl wrong and then was almost mad AT HER when she was confused. I think it's funny how everyone gay automatically just wants to pull the homophobic card. I don't think Heather has a problem with gay people, I just think she had a problem with finding out the person she was dating was selling his body for money and on top of that, it wasn't even women. I would assume if thus far this person is telling you how a gay guy might sniff his underwear and it's something he doesn't see you would be extremely confused to know they've done sexual stuff with a guy. She felt betrayed, not disgusted. That's why she still felt guilty for not helping him but clearly like her mom said she needed to step back a little to see if there was anything else he lied about. If they slept together every night and had lots of pillow talk I can see how she would feel betrayed. I think a lot of people are being too hard on her. As for her and Nany, that's wheres shes gonna steer wrong, I personally think its hot so I don't care but I can see how everyone's gonna want to throw their 2 cents into that! Although she didn't lie or sell her body so it's not really the same at all. It would be the same if Dustin had told her he and a guy kissed one night and then she broke up with him.

After having some time to think about it, I'm really not sure how I feel about this whole thing. I want to make it clear that I think the word "homophobia" is being thrown around way too much. Everyone comes from a different background with different experiences, and therefore has a different opinion of what can be considered a homophobe. A gay person and a straight person may view two separate views on what constitutes a homophobe. While I am disappointed that Dustin was not more open with his suite mates about his past (as I'm sure he had many opportunities to bring it up), I can understand his hesitation. He has lived with these people for a month - meanwhile, his family does not know. After watching this cast, I have no doubt in my mind that had he told them he dabbled in gay **** for a few years (i.e., that it was not a one-time thing), they would have immediately judged him and treated him differently. I get that Dustin wanted people to get to know him as an individual before he divulged that secret. Dustin says that his past dabbling "does not define who he is"; I'm hesitant to believe that. Our past experiences shape who we are today. For Dustin, his experiences with **** have, to an extent, shaped him as a straight person who appears to be extremely insecure around homosexual men. However, there is no need for him to have any regrets about what he did. Even though it is of my personal opinion that Dustin would not have told his roommates if the news never came out, that is his decision and his decision alone. He had mentioned in a previous episode and in a daily that he's not very close with any of his male roommates and the only person he is really close with is Heather (for obvious reasons). He was not required to tell them. I'm sure there are some skeletons each of those roommates walked out of the house with that were never let out of the closet. I do not think that Heather asking if she needed to get tested showed one ounce of homophobia. While there have been studies that show that the pornography industry is not as dirty as we think, there have still been instances where some sort of disease has been spread throughout a shoot. If I was dating someone and found out that they did ****, whether straight or gay, I would ask the same question. Dustin doing gay **** is not wrong. The way that he went about it with his roommates, in my opinion, was not necessarily the best way. At the same time, he may have figured that he would be the one to tell his roommates. When I first learned of Dustin's gay **** past, I did not view him any differently than I did before. However, I am disappointed in the way that he handled the situation. I think that him sitting all of his roommates down and letting them quickfire questions at him was a step in the right direction and hopefully prepared him for the conversations he would have to have with his family and friends in the future. My issue with this whole situation is that some of his actions and some of his words did not ever strike me as someone who would have done homosexual pornography, yet some of them do. Dustin humps Mike in bed; Mike, knowing nothing of Dustin's past, brushes it off as a roommate joke. Had Dustin been open from day 1, Mike probably would have never let him get that close. Dustin gets his nails painted by Heather and paints her nails as well; Heather, knowing nothing of Dustin's past, brushes it off as an opportunity to hang out with a guy she really likes. If Dustin had been open from day 1, she might be questioning his sexual orientation. Dustin says if a gay man came up to him in a club he would punch him in the face; his roommates, knowing nothing of his past, brush it off as him being insecure around gay men. If he had been open from day 1, his roommates might be wondering what his experiences in **** were like. His words and actions in the house clash with his past. And I honestly think that Dustin was screwed either way. Your past is your past, but some people just refuse to see past certain things. It would have come out, whether from Vevmo, Dustin, Fratpad, or anyone else. tl;dr : quit using the word "homophobe" so much, the way Dustin handled the situation wasn't the best but he didn't really have much of a choice.

I am disliking Mike more and more each episode. He only stands up for himself if he gets caught *****ing behind peoples back and he can't even say to Dustin face to face he wants him out so he writes him a letter. Seriously, the only person who should care about it is Heather.

[QUOTE=molds13;245535]After having some time to think about it, I'm really not sure how I feel about this whole thing. I want to make it clear that I think the word "homophobia" is being thrown around way too much. Everyone comes from a different background with different experiences, and therefore has a different opinion of what can be considered a homophobe. A gay person and a straight person may view two separate views on what constitutes a homophobe. While I am disappointed that Dustin was not more open with his suite mates about his past (as I'm sure he had many opportunities to bring it up), I can understand his hesitation. He has lived with these people for a month - meanwhile, his family does not know. After watching this cast, I have no doubt in my mind that had he told them he dabbled in gay **** for a few years (i.e., that it was not a one-time thing), they would have immediately judged him and treated him differently. I get that Dustin wanted people to get to know him as an individual before he divulged that secret. Dustin says that his past dabbling "does not define who he is"; I'm hesitant to believe that. Our past experiences shape who we are today. For Dustin, his experiences with **** have, to an extent, shaped him as a straight person who appears to be extremely insecure around homosexual men. However, there is no need for him to have any regrets about what he did. Even though it is of my personal opinion that Dustin would not have told his roommates if the news never came out, that is his decision and his decision alone. He had mentioned in a previous episode and in a daily that he's not very close with any of his male roommates and the only person he is really close with is Heather (for obvious reasons). He was not required to tell them. I'm sure there are some skeletons each of those roommates walked out of the house with that were never let out of the closet. I do not think that Heather asking if she needed to get tested showed one ounce of homophobia. While there have been studies that show that the pornography industry is not as dirty as we think, there have still been instances where some sort of disease has been spread throughout a shoot. If I was dating someone and found out that they did ****, whether straight or gay, I would ask the same question. Dustin doing gay **** is not wrong. The way that he went about it with his roommates, in my opinion, was not necessarily the best way. At the same time, he may have figured that he would be the one to tell his roommates. When I first learned of Dustin's gay **** past, I did not view him any differently than I did before. However, I am disappointed in the way that he handled the situation. I think that him sitting all of his roommates down and letting them quickfire questions at him was a step in the right direction and hopefully prepared him for the conversations he would have to have with his family and friends in the future. My issue with this whole situation is that some of his actions and some of his words did not ever strike me as someone who would have done homosexual pornography, yet some of them do. Dustin humps Mike in bed; Mike, knowing nothing of Dustin's past, brushes it off as a roommate joke. Had Dustin been open from day 1, Mike probably would have never let him get that close. Dustin gets his nails painted by Heather and paints her nails as well; Heather, knowing nothing of Dustin's past, brushes it off as an opportunity to hang out with a guy she really likes. If Dustin had been open from day 1, she might be questioning his sexual orientation. Dustin says if a gay man came up to him in a club he would punch him in the face; his roommates, knowing nothing of his past, brush it off as him being insecure around gay men. If he had been open from day 1, his roommates might be wondering what his experiences in **** were like. His words and actions in the house clash with his past. And I honestly think that Dustin was screwed either way. Your past is your past, but some people just refuse to see past certain things. It would have come out, whether from Vevmo, Dustin, Fratpad, or anyone else. tl;dr : quit using the word "homophobe" so much, the way Dustin handled the situation wasn't the best but he didn't really have much of a choice.[/QUOTE] This. There is no way, no matter when or how Dustin chose to bring it up, his roommates would have been brush this off as simply something from his past. It is something that they would always associate him with, because in this particular instance of revelation on the Real World, it is so out there that some people simply aren't wired to be able to process it. For my part, I had no idea gay-for-pay **** even existed. And I'm not ignorant (I go to the University of Iowa after all, represent), but I had simply never heard of it. My initial response was "if you're not gay but you're doing gay ****, just how the hell do ya perform?" After getting past those more gutter-based inquiries, I'd say my response fell somewhere along the lines of Leroy. Which is to say that I don't get it, and probably never will, but I'll let the guy's persona and character dictate how I choose to view him. As it were, he has a bit of a ***** complex. So I'm not a big fan. But I feel a lot better saying that I think he is kinda lame because he is an *******, rather than saying he is kinda lame because he did gay-for-pay.

[QUOTE=SPENCERlife;245495]Huh? Dustin was paid ''thousands & thousands weekly'' to suck and take a **** in his *** NOT simply pose nude for a site. Let's not be naive here folks[/QUOTE] Right. You think Heather has never had a **** in her mouth? I'm not trying to be crude.. I'm merely phrasing it that way so you can understand how hypocritical it is to think his work is "disgusting" or whatever. How many of those housemates have watched ****? I think this whole issue is blown way out of perportion.

[QUOTE=Insider;245542]Right. You think Heather has never had a **** in her mouth? I'm not trying to be crude.. I'm merely phrasing it that way so you can understand how hypocritical it is to think his work is "disgusting" or whatever. How many of those housemates have watched ****? I think this whole issue is blown way out of perportion.[/QUOTE] Yes, but you said there is no difference between what Dustin did and what 99.9% of males have done. None of the other roommates have done gay ****, or gotten paid thousands of dollars for any sexual acts (that we know of) which is what SPENCERlife was trying to say (I think).

[QUOTE=molds13;245535] His words and actions in the house clash with his past. And I honestly think that Dustin was screwed either way. Your past is your past, but some people just refuse to see past certain things. It would have come out, whether from Vevmo, Dustin, Fratpad, or anyone else. tl;dr : quit using the word "homophobe" so much, the way Dustin handled the situation wasn't the best but he didn't really have much of a choice.[/QUOTE] It didn't help either way that he was at first trying to stay away from the entire situation. Running away from something doesn't ever help. He definitely didn't handle that part right. I agree that once he sat them down and started to let them talk to him that he was headed in the right direction, but he still seems to want to have nothing to do with it. If he didn't want this to come out, he should have never auditioned or even thought about considering going on NATIONAL television. It's common sense.

[QUOTE=fabulous788;245545]It didn't help either way that he was at first trying to stay away from the entire situation. Running away from something doesn't ever help. He definitely didn't handle that part right. I agree that once he sat them down and started to let them talk to him that he was headed in the right direction, but he still seems to want to have nothing to do with it. [B]If he didn't want this to come out, he should have never auditioned or even thought about considering going on NATIONAL television.[/B] It's common sense.[/QUOTE] From what I have read in interviews, it does sound like he was ready to tell someone and put it behind him. I think he just expected to do it on his own time instead of on everyone else's.

Molds13, well reasoned. Thanks for the thoughtful post-episode reaction. Mega-props to you, too, for giving BMP an new story line. Without you, we'd probably still be talking about Adam. (For those who don't understand, look up the first post in the Dustin Zito thread.) BMP should add to their staff as a story editor/producer. Mind Riot, I expect you are giving voice to many of vevmo's readers who do not post. Thanks for you candid personal observation. [As an aside, I'm jealous as heck if your studies in Iowa City bring you anywhere near the U of I Writers' Workshop.]