I wonder what happens when property on the challenge is damaged. On RW, they have to pay if they damage property when they are acting in rage or just breaking stuff to break it.
I am rewatching The Aftershow again, and I didn't notice Diem saying Shauvon did tell her she hooked up with CT, then lies about it. I can understand her going on and on about looking like an idiot now. I still don't think Shauvon owed her any explanation about the hooking up, though.
I can also understand Diem not wanting her past relationship with CT to be called a hookup, because it was more than that. I think Shauvon was just trying to establish that she'd seen or known of something happening with CT and Diem previously. And I think maybe she was saying that some of these things are just flings, so she wasn't for sure if they'd gotten so deep and serious about each other.
This being the most insane fight in challenge history? Isn't it the only actual physical fight from both sides? Usually one person hits or tries to beat on another person. This time it was both. I'm trying to think of anything else, on RW, RR, or the challenges in which it was an attack from both sides.
V1Man, I hope you are right in your suspicion that Adam has lawyered up. I don't think it's out of line with what happened. I was surprised at how long it went before production got involved considering the history and how hard it was to control it (for them).
If Adam hasn't gotten a lawyer, he should consider taking CT onto Bully Beatdown and at least get 10gs for that.
Being as big as CT is comes with some responsibility imho. He knows just how hard he hits and how much a size disadvantage Adam is at. Having a 100 lbs and a foot on someone calls for restraint.
[QUOTE=babyjewels;58802]V1Man, I hope you are right in your suspicion that Adam has lawyered up. I don't think it's out of line with what happened. I was surprised at how long it went before production got involved considering the history and how hard it was to control it (for them).
[B]If Adam hasn't gotten a lawyer, he should consider taking CT onto Bully Beatdown and at least get 10gs for that. [/B]
Being as big as CT is comes with some responsibility imho. He knows just how hard he hits and how much a size disadvantage Adam is at. Having a 100 lbs and a foot on someone calls for restraint.[/QUOTE]
LOL...BUT do you really think he would actually lose the entire 10 grand...I mean come on this is CT and he is about the same size and is in as good of shape as any MMA fighter that I know of.
[quote=RW561015;58801]I wonder what happens when property on the challenge is damaged. On RW, they have to pay if they damage property when they are acting in rage or just breaking stuff to break it.
I am rewatching The Aftershow again, and I didn't notice Diem saying Shauvon did tell her she hooked up with CT, then lies about it. I can understand her going on and on about looking like an idiot now. I still don't think Shauvon owed her any explanation about the hooking up, though.
[B]I can also understand Diem not wanting her past relationship with CT to be called a hookup, because it was more than that.[/B] I think Shauvon was just trying to establish that she'd seen or known of something happening with CT and Diem previously. And I think maybe she was saying that some of these things are just flings, so she wasn't for sure if they'd gotten so deep and serious about each other.
This being the most insane fight in challenge history? Isn't it the only actual physical fight from both sides? Usually one person hits or tries to beat on another person. This time it was both. I'm trying to think of anything else, on RW, RR, or the challenges in which it was an attack from both sides.[/quote]
I thought that was messy of Shavoun to call their relationship a fling when it was known to be more than that. Seems like she said that to try and justify her having *** with CT but theres no need to justify something that never happened, right?!
[quote=RW561015;58801]I am rewatching The Aftershow again, and I didn't notice Diem saying Shauvon did tell her she hooked up with CT, then lies about it. I can understand her going on and on about looking like an idiot now. I still don't think Shauvon owed her any explanation about the hooking up, though.[/quote]
She didn't, but she still should have had the decency to admit it, since there wasn't much use in denying it at that point!
[quote=RW561015;58801]This being the most insane fight in challenge history? Isn't it the only actual physical fight from both sides? Usually one person hits or tries to beat on another person. This time it was both. I'm trying to think of anything else, on RW, RR, or the challenges in which it was an attack from both sides.[/quote]
I think this was probably the most violent. Even though I feel horrible for Adam, this at least wasn't over-hyped like the little baby punch Tina gave Beth.
[QUOTE=Stacee_Danielle;58808]LOL...BUT do you really think he would actually lose the entire 10 grand...I mean come on this is CT and he is about the same size and is in as good of shape as any MMA fighter that I know of.[/QUOTE]
You're right. CT would probably end up with at least a few thousand. But I do think they'd pair him with a beast he couldn't beat completely.
[quote=Zereaux;58810]She didn't, but she still should have had the decency to admit it, since there wasn't much use in denying it at that point!
I think this was probably the most violent. Even though I feel horrible for Adam, this at least wasn't over-hyped like the little baby punch Tina gave Beth.[/quote]
Maybe I didn't phrase what I was trying to say right, but I was surprised that they were calling this [U][I]possibly[/I][/U] the biggest challenge in history. To me it [I]is[/I] the biggest fight, because both people were fighting as opposed to other times in which one person was trying to attack another person or offering one blow or slap only. This one was an actual fight instead of one person attacking.
[quote=RW561015;58819]Maybe I didn't phrase what I was trying to say right, but I was surprised that they were calling this [U][I]possibly[/I][/U] the biggest challenge in history. To me it [I]is[/I] the biggest fight, because both people were fighting as opposed to other times in which one person was trying to attack another person or offering one blow or slap only. This one was an actual fight instead of one person attacking.[/quote]
I think it is safe to say that it is. I can't remember every fight shown on the challenges, but I don't recall any others that involved both parties throwing punches at each other. If there were, I don't think there were bloodstains and gaping holes left as mementos.
-Ayanna slapping Christian (Extreme Challenge)
-Steven slapping Shane (BOTSexes 2)
-Tina "punching" Beth (The Duel)
-CT punching Davis (Inferno 3)
Am I forgetting any? I think that is all the physical fights that have occurred on the challenges. None come close to being as violent or over the top as CT/Adam.
I can't remember names but the blond guy from RR punched someone on lounge chairs before the challenge started a couple seasons ago. I can see his face and can't remember his name or who he punched...anyone?
[quote=babyjewels;58848]I can't remember names but the blond guy from RR punched someone on lounge chairs before the challenge started a couple seasons ago. I can see his face and can't remember his name or who he punched...anyone?[/quote]
That would be Abe.
[quote=Jayden;58837]-Ayanna slapping Christian (Extreme Challenge)
-Steven slapping Shane (BOTSexes 2)
-Tina "punching" Beth (The Duel)
-CT punching Davis (Inferno 3)
Am I forgetting any? I think that is all the physical fights that have occurred on the challenges. None come close to being as violent or over the top as CT/Adam.[/quote]
But those are one person attacks is the point I was trying to make. This CT/Adam thing was two people fighting. So I was surprised they were saying it's possibly the biggest fight instead of just declaring it for sure the biggest physical fight. I guess it just depends on opinions, or not being able to remember the other physical attacks right off the bat.
As for other stuff, don't forget RR Latin America - Gladys beating on that Abe.
Abe punched RR Adam, but that wasn't technically a challenge.
On one of the earlier challenges, there was some confusion as to whether Piggy attacked Los. It wasn't caught on tape.
Does the David/Puck incident count?
Either way no fight comes close, it was about the most brutal thing I've seen take place on a reality show.
[QUOTE=Binary Solo;58863]
Either way no fight comes close, it was about the most brutal thing I've seen take place on a reality show.[/QUOTE]
It certainly is something for Bunim Murray and MTV to be proud of, not being outdone by Bad Girl's club (Wait, that is Bunim Murray) or **** TV on VH1.
Yeah, I think it's the worst physical altercation to happen in RW, RR, and challenge history. So I was thinking back to everything I remember from all those shows and including them in my analysis.
[quote=V1man;58866]It certainly is something for Bunim Murray and MTV to be proud of, not being outdone by Bad Girl's club (Wait, that is Bunim Murray) or **** TV on VH1.[/quote]
Oh that's right I forgot about the 4 girls on one beat down from the bad girls club.
Proud---ashamed---disgusted---enablers---liable
It's all relative right?
[quote=V1man;58866]It certainly is something for Bunim Murray and MTV to be proud of, not being outdone by Bad Girl's club (Wait, that is Bunim Murray) or **** TV on VH1.[/quote]
This is why I am really upset that they got their hands on my precious Project Runway when it moved to Lifetime to die.
IMO I think it was pretty obvious from the aftershow that they both still love each other. They both acted and looked the part. CT looked legitamately hurt and seemed near tears. The five year thing really seemed to upset him like why not now? I think maturity is definately the reason for that which is understandable but he said himself on the show before the fight you love me and are waiting 5 years for what, your career?
It seems like stuff could easily be resolved if they sat down and talked real to each other not Springer style in front of a crowd. I bet she would give him another chance if he came to her and wasn't bitter and held a grudge about it. I saw 2 people definitely not over each other IMO but both with hurt feelings and not willing to show weakness around the other. I bet she would take him back if he put an effort to say I forgive you for not showing up on the flight and so forth and that he could change for her. She definately seemed like she still cared.
[QUOTE=jojorules;58883]IMO I think it was pretty obvious from the aftershow that they both still love each other. They both acted and looked the part. CT looked legitamately hurt and seemed near tears. The five year thing really seemed to upset him like why not now? I think maturity is definately the reason for that which is understandable but he said himself on the show before the fight you love me and are waiting 5 years for what, your career?
It seems like stuff could easily be resolved if they sat down and talked real to each other not Springer style in front of a crowd. I bet she would give him another chance if he came to her and wasn't bitter and held a grudge about it. I saw 2 people definitely not over each other IMO but both with hurt feelings and not willing to show weakness around the other. I bet she would take him back if he put an effort to say I forgive you for not showing up on the flight and so forth and that he could change for her. She definately seemed like she still cared.[/QUOTE]
I've talked to her more recently than the taping of the Aftershow and your take on things is not what I heard from her. She has moved on, though that is not to suggest that she does not care about him as someone whom she has valued in the past.
I see what you mean and you are probably right. I meant based on the aftershow how they spoke and looked there seemed a chance to reconcile. Also, I meant IF they spoke to each other and spoke about the problems but clearly CT doesn't seem like the sit down and let's talk about our feelings type. I thought there could of been a chance if they did those things based on the aftershow. But realistically they hadn't spoken since The Duel 2 and I am guessing they don't much at all...if at all.
CT seemed really upset when talking about Diem his face and his eyes looked very sad. Maybe down the road they can but has she said anything like if they have spoken recently V1? if you can share it that is.
My point of view was also assuming they could communicate their feelings openly. CT and Diem still love each other in a way based on the first episode and aftershow but a lot has to happen or had to in order to have the reconciliation and I am sure none of it did.
Hence all the bitterness on the aftershow because they don't talk and that 5 year thing didn't go over well with CT one bit he tried to act over it but his face said otherwise IMO...I could be wrong though just going off my read on it. It is sad really CT seems like a decent guy with her, but without her, kind of lost.
When I saw that CT and Adam were going to be on the aftershow I immediately thought that it was going to be nothing more than CT yelling at Adam for the entire show. I was really surprised to see that it wasn't like that at all. I actually ended up agreeing with CT on most of the things he said and throughout part of it he actually looked really sorry about what happened.
[quote=cjslife;58937]When I saw that CT and Adam were going to be on the aftershow I immidiately thought that it was going to be nothing more than CT yelling at Adam for the entire show. I was really surprised to see that it wasn't like that at all. I actually ended up agreeing with CT on most of the things he said and throughout part of it he actually looked really sorry about what happened.[/quote]
To me Adam looked like he felt sick before he came out lol. But I did think that CT sounded genuine.
How much truth was there to CT's claim that the fight (but not to the extent that it reached) was a premeditated act by the other cast members to get rid of him?
V1Man, in the "The Duel II: New Zealand" thread a while ago you wrote:
[quote=V1man;33895]The faulty logic you employ is that anyone wants anything at all to do with CT. The constant chatter among the identified cast is to plot against CT, not because he is a good competitor, but because he is toxic. To a lesser degree, similar words are being exchanged about Evan.[/quote]
Could have this been part of plan to get rid of him?
Well, it's time for me to add my "two cents" which out of a dollar, isn't much. ;) Regardless as to whether Diem has moved on or not, she does not deserve to be humiliated by being lied to. I say this, because it wasn't as though there was any doubt as to what really happened. By everyone's response and the footage provided, CT and Shauvon clearly hooked up. I definitely believe in respecting peoples privacy, providing they act in a way that shows they want privacy. Shauvon and CT were beyond acting deliberate and blatantly obvious. Can anyone seriously argue that? I think if you behave in a manner like that, you should simply OWN your actions- need I bring it to attention that they're on a TV SHOW?????? Seriously?????? How discreet is that????? Can that honestly be contested??? Diem just asked to not be treated like a fool who wasn't stupid enough to be lied to. I can most certainly understand that.
The only thing I can say for Shauvon lying is that if I were in her shoes, I would seriously be concerned for my life if I "outed" someone like CT. I wouldn't be dumb enough to risk that, but I probably wouldn't have been dumb enough to put myself in such an obvious situation earlier. I'll chalk it up to Shauvon being a pathetic ***** that couldn't turn down an electirc connection with CT. That's all I can possibly offer her as an excuse for putting herself in a miserably pathetic situation that she's beyond accepting accountability for. She's TRASH.... nuff said.
I like ADAM, and in some ways I like CT, but he's sadly something of a "mad dog" with rabies. I hope for him to be less agressive. I really do, but I don't know that it can be fixed.
I see nothing wrong with Evan and Brooke being present. I enjoyed Evan and thought Mark, as always, was a fantastic host. They would have had 2 other cast on the show regardless that had no involvement so why not those 2?
I would love to know how Bunim/Murray get away with allowing these type of assaults to happen- it seems as though they encourage it. How do you not forsee a liability like CT????? Especially under the circumstances he was under. You would think that they would have at least provided some sort of protection for the cast at some point. I'm at a loss for understanding this issue. The funny thing to me is: you know that BMP probably penalized Adam and CT by probably not paying them, yet this single event has probably done outstanding wonders for the ratings of this show.
I have to admit, I freaking LOVED this episode and enjoyed the "train wreck" as much as the next person and can't believe I fall into feeding the madness, but I guess it's human nature.
Anyway, those are my thoughts. ;)
PEACE!!!!!! Seriously. LOL
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