Interestingly enough.... CT seemed to completely call Diem out. She didn't disagree with any of it. He never met anyone in her family? That hardly seems like a relationship. It doesn't sound like she was a very good girlfriend.
He said she bailed on him when he needed her the most. Is he talking about his brother's death? I may be assuming too much here. If that's the case, Diem gets two thumbs down from me. Unacceptable.
I never expected to feel bad for CT tonight. Oddly, I do.
I agree V1. Diem was certainly not overdramatic, rather hurt. If you really cared about someone and they repeatedly lied to you, wouldn't you want the truth as well?
[QUOTE=Insider;58609]Interestingly enough.... CT seemed to completely call Diem out. She didn't disagree with any of it. He never met anyone in her family? That hardly seems like a relationship. It doesn't sound like she was a very good girlfriend.
He said she bailed on him when he needed her the most. Is he talking about his brother's death? I may be assuming too much here. If that's the case, Diem gets two thumbs down from me. Unacceptable.
I never expected to feel bad for CT tonight. Oddly, I do.[/QUOTE]
Family stuff is off topic. Respectfully, you don't know the story and it is none of our business.
[quote=V1man;58604]I strongly disagree with you on the points in bold.[/quote]
Adam should not have put his hands on CT. I really don't understand how that's disputable. I don't believe Adam deserved to have his face cracked open. That's not at all what I'm saying. However, that doesn't make Adam's behavior acceptable either.
Then again, most of the behavior on the challenges is unacceptable in my book.
You know that I respect your opinion. You obviously know a lot of behind the scenes stuff that I usually do not. I'd be extremely interested to know why you strongly disagree with those statements.
Shauvon does strike me as the ****** type but i have to side with her on this one. Although she might've known that CT and DIEM were an item her loyalty does not lie with Diem because they were not friends.
[quote=Insider;58609]
He said she bailed on him when he needed her the most. Is he talking about his brother's death? I may be assuming too much here. If that's the case, Diem gets two thumbs down from me. Unacceptable.
I never expected to feel bad for CT tonight. Oddly, I do.[/quote]
I thought it was said that CT and Diem broke up after G3. If so, wasn't that before his bro died?
But regardless, there could have been issues between them because of CT's temper. He's been acting like that before his brother was killed.
I do feel really bad for him, though, after what happened to his brother. Most of the time I disagree with the way CT behaves - it's been like that ever since the first show I watched him on (The Inferno). But I am thinking there might be something there to him - more than being a brute. I saw it with Diem on The Duel. I remember Shavonda doing a radio interview when I2 was airing, and she said CT would join her and Dan and Robin in their drama free zone they had in the back yard and he would be peaceful and cool.
[quote=Dartagnan;58610]I agree V1. Diem was certainly not overdramatic, rather hurt. If you really cared about someone and they repeatedly lied to you, wouldn't you want the truth as well?[/quote]
I understand what you're saying here but looking at it from 2 different point of views (man/woman) i can see where they're both coming from. CT/DIEM were NOT together so he has a right to do **** a chick on the challenge if he chooses to, just because DIEM still has feelings for him (not saying that he doesnt) does not mean they have to act as if they're still in a relationship. Guys/Girls get over relationships totally different.
[quote=Insider;58609]Interestingly enough.... CT seemed to completely call Diem out. She didn't disagree with any of it. He never met anyone in her family? That hardly seems like a relationship. It doesn't sound like she was a very good girlfriend.
He said she bailed on him when he needed her the most. Is he talking about his brother's death? I may be assuming too much here. If that's the case, Diem gets two thumbs down from me. Unacceptable.
I never expected to feel bad for CT tonight. Oddly, I do.[/quote]
I have to say that not meeting your family doesn't equate being a bad girlfriend, I waited a while for my (then future) husband to meet my parents. It can be considered a huge step for people, and I think it should be a serious step... And he was way too harsh with her IMO. No way would I let a man tell me that it's not good enough that I was going to fly out to him and I missed the flight. I thought that was the most illogical reasoning, just another way CT twists things. However, I took a bit more of a liking to Diem (who I really haven't liked in a long time) when she stood her ground with him and Shauvon. Don't get me started on Shauvon... ew. Just ew ew ew ew ewwwwwwww. Classless. Oh and I must say I was skeptical of Mark hosting when he was on the show........ BUT --- kudos to him for calling out Shauvon. I hope he treats all of the guests with that candor!!!
I'm absolutely not saying that CT is acting this way simply because of his brother's death. However, having lost a realtive in a similar fashion, I understand the added pent up rage.
Don't get me wrong... you won't catch little ole me trying to smash anyone's head in.. lol
Remember.. I'm not saying that his actions were right. I'm merely giving my take on the situation.
[quote=Abhor;58617]I understand what you're saying here but looking at it from 2 different point of views (man/woman) i can see where they're both coming from. CT/DIEM were NOT together so he has a right to do **** a chick on the challenge if he chooses to, just because DIEM still has feelings for him (not saying that he doesnt) does not mean they have to act as if they're still in a relationship. Guys/Girls get over relationships totally different.[/quote]
I agree with what you are saying, but I have to say that I think her anger is coming from the fact that she cares about him, yet he is still lieing to her. I am not saying he can't do what he wants, but he knew what would happen.
What's there to say about CT. He is a bully and a meathead and he loves to pick on small guys or gay guys. He didn't need to bang Shauvon to show his lack of character, I'm sure it was on display before that. I'm glad Adam actually tried to stand up on him, he's been punking Adam for years. Next time, however, use a frying pan or kick him square in the kneecap. Lots of ways for the little man to get over. I just wish he'd bring back his funky rhymes. They were always good for a few laughs.
Shauvon is pretty skanky but...speaking as a man...I'd probably get drunk and bed her too. That's bad...but honest. She's probably a lot of fun.
Diem is overly dramatic about a lot of things. I have two cancer survivors very close to my heart so I have so much respect for her. But I gather a big sense of entitlement with getting mad at Anessa in the last duel and wanting CT to stay celebate for her (yeah right). I mean, c'mon on, time to move on. If Diem isn't that way it's one thing but the show's editors must REALLY hate her. The strange thing about Diem is that she's also very likeable in a lot of ways. She's hard to figure out.
Yes, I actually think I like Diem the best out of the repeat Fresh Meat people. She bugs sometimes because of the entitlement thing, and I feel that was on display tonight in the challenge episode and on tonight's aftershow. I could not agree with her most of the time tonight. But she does seem to be an OK person and I wish the best for her. It doesn't seem she blames herself for the fight anymore, and I am glad for that, because it's really not her fault.
[quote=RW561015;58633]Yes, I actually think I like Diem the best out of the repeat Fresh Meat people. She bugs sometimes because of the entitlement thing, and I feel that was on display tonight in the challenge episode and on tonight's aftershow. I could not agree with her most of the time tonight. But she does seem to be an OK person and I wish the best for her. It doesn't seem she blames herself for the fight anymore, and I am glad for that, because it's really not her fault.[/quote]
That's the way I feel. I like her and I think she's a sweet girl but she also seems to want everything and want everyone to look out for her. Yes, people do lie and deceive and manipulate and that's part of life that she's not getting.
[quote=tjhallow;58606]Okay two questions,
Did CT and Diem fight more than once on G3 that wasn't shown on TV? Did production provide the footy pajamas?[/quote]
V1 can you answer this? My posts are always at the bottom, lol.
[QUOTE=nafselon;58637]That's the way I feel. I like her and I think she's a sweet girl but she also seems to want everything and want everyone to look out for her. Yes, people do lie and deceive and manipulate and that's part of life that she's not getting.[/QUOTE]
She gets it, but she is also fully entitled to be disappointed by the frailty of the human condition. She knows the better side of CT that I don't know and don't much care about. She wants us all to see it, which I have to acknowledge is damn decent of her.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;58606]Okay two questions,
Did CT and Diem fight more than once on G3 that wasn't shown on TV? Did production provide the footy pajamas?[/QUOTE]
Yes and yes. Jon Murray was upset when he saw the PJs in the rushes sent back to Van Nuys from Queensland and they were taken away immediately.
[quote=V1man;58654]Yes and yes. Jon Murray was upset when he saw the PJs in the rushes sent back to Van Nuys from Queensland and they were taken away immediately.[/quote]
What?
[QUOTE=tjhallow;58659]He was pissed about the onesies?[/QUOTE]
He did not like them and had them taken away. As to why he didn't like them I would only be speculating, and I try very hard in this forum to only be as factual as I can. If I speculated, it would end up being reported at another site as fact. I'm tried of reading my rewritten stuff at TWOP.
[quote=V1man;58661]He did not like them and had them taken away. As to why he didn't like them I would only be speculating, and I try very hard in this forum to only be as factual as I can. If I speculated, it would end up being reported at another site as fact. I'm tried of reading my rewritten stuff at TWOP.[/quote]
Oh okay, I thought they were funny.
For everyone who said that CT was in the right to be able to freely hook up with Shauvon: I respectfully disagree. Yes, he was single. But when you date someone and you have a lot of mutual friends, it hurts to see them hook up with someone else. The time period since the breakup DOES matter (6 days vs 6 months), BUT when you hear about it in the fashion that Diem did, it definitely doesn't make things any better; in fact, I think it makes it worse. So I'm gonna back Diem on this one. I've always liked her and her story.
[quote=V1man;58665]The cast (women) loved them too. Kim says they were "cozy."[/quote]
I have my own set of adult footie pj's and I LOVE them. Granted they come in much more handy when I am back in NH than here in L.A., but they are so comfy and warm and way better than a Snuggie ;)
As for the fight, I am with Brooke. Relationships are complicated, it is their business, it should have never gone to that level and violence is never okay.
Shauvon looked horrible and acted horrible. I will not be sad one bit if Aneesa shows her the door.
[quote=RW561015;58556]WHY is Evan there? Or Brooke, actually? I can understand Shauvon because her possibly hooking up with CT helped spark the fight.
[B]Diem - you and CT were NOT together during Duel 2. You need to stop. Take it up with CT if anything. But he could do what he wanted to if she broke up with him (or whoever broke up). I actually like Diem, but she gets on her trips sometimes and this is one of them[/B].[/quote]
Exactly.
Shauvon was right Diem needs to shut up. They weren't dating so why does Diem even care?
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