[QUOTE=RW561015;58556]
Diem - you and CT were NOT together during Duel 2. You need to stop. Take it up with CT if anything. But he could do what he wanted to if she broke up with him (or whoever broke up). I actually like Diem, but she gets on her trips sometimes and this is one of them.[/QUOTE]
**highly amused that people write to Diem as though she were here reading this stuff**
[QUOTE=Debut Album;58674]Exactly.
Shauvon was right Diem needs to shut up. They weren't dating so why does Diem even care?[/QUOTE]
Diem and Shauvon both have to right be angry or upset. Diem because she thought they were friends and of course she has a closer connection to CT then anyone else at the show and Shauvon because well... actually... I have no idea. But, I wasn't happy hearing Shauvon tell Diem to shut the f*** up.
Don't know why Brooke and Evan were there.
CT and Adam: CT "seemed" tame, but we all know it was cause he didn't want to make himself look like MORE of an *** then was already shown. And I respected the way Adam handled himself, but I just didnt like his attitude about ow he kept saying he'd want nothing more then to get over this and have it all in the past yet he kept giving reasons why he wasn't going... that was confusing. And when Mark asked if it could all be over, he didn't say anything. CT didn't either but I never expected him to.
Here's my take on the situation. I'm a complete newbie here, and this is my first post, so I may not know all the information you guys know that has been revealed on the show.
In this whole situation, I actually understand CT. From the sounds of it, Adam knows CT's personality, and he had an idea as to how CT would react, but he chose to talk to Diem anyways. In my eyes, Adam is trying very hard to be a victim here. However, CT is not free of fault, and did deserve to be sent home. I think it's a good thing that CT did the aftershow, because it definitely gave me and understanding of him.
Onto the CT/Diem argument, again I understand CT. He was there for Diem when she was going through on of the hardest things in her life. When she felt ugly, he was there to tell her she was beautiful. However, when something difficult happens to CT, Diem bails on him because of a few comments he made to her.
I have always felt that Diem places herself on a higher pedestal than everyone else. I think this feeling stems from the fact that it was acceptable to back stab Linette on Fresh Meat, yet cries when she's back stabbed on the Duel. Now with the CT's situation, I do not find her very understanding.
I am not a CT fan by any means, however I do understand him more than Adam and Diem in these situations.
[QUOTE=iMichael;58713]Here's my take on the situation. I'm a complete newbie here, and this is my first post, so I may not know all the information you guys know that has been revieled on the show.
In this whole situation, I actually understand CT. From the sounds of it, Adam knows CT's personality, and he had an idea as to how CT would react, but he chose to talk to Diem anyways. In my eyes, Adam is trying very hard to be a victim here. However, CT is not free of fault, and did deserve to be sent home. I think it's a good thing that CT did the aftershow, because it definitely gave me and understanding of him.
Onto the CT/Diem arguement, again I understand CT. He was there for Diem when she was going through on of the hardest things in her life. When she felt ugly, he was there to tell her she was beautiful. However, when something difficult happens to CT, Diem bails on him because of a few comments he made to her.
I have always felt that Diem places herself on a higher pedistal than everyone else. I think this feeling stems from the fact that it was acceptable to backstab Linette on Fresh Meat, yet cries when she's backstabbed on the Duel. Now with the CT's situation, I do not find her very understanding.
I am not a CT fan by any means, however I do understand him more than Adam and Diem in these situations.[/QUOTE]
First, welcome to vevmo. Glad you found us.
Here is a little "what you didn't see" insight. Diem did talk to a lot of people, not just Katie and Adam. Rather than "outing" CT, Adam was simply giving her some advice about CT as others saw him in the game: they have to deal with him but don't like him. There was no reason Adam not to talk to Diem. Adam already knew that she knew.
There was a lot of give an take edited out of sequence on the Aftershow so the give and take between Diem and CT was somewhat manufactured out of disjointed parts -- what the reality editors call "frankenbiting." There is also more of a back story to some of the things CT said to Diem and what she did not say to him. There is a chance that she will have more to say on the subject very soon, at least that is the impression I gained from reading her brief post-aftershow myspace blog late last night.
As for Adam attempting to look like the victim, I suspect that he has had the advice of a very good lawyer. I saw clear hints of that in most of his answers to Mark on the Aftershow. At least some of his responses were what I would have advised someone to say in similar circumstances.
I wonder how many security people were present off camera?
Okay going to really rant out on Diem. She bailed out on him when she somehow messed up her flight to see CT after his brother died. It’s in an email I wrote to her regarding a glamour magazine blog she did about guess what . . . her cancer and CT. She also said “if he ever needed me I would be there in a second”. Well so much for that.
Underneath the bad make-up and hair on the show (and the aftershow), she kept yapping about her career. Exactly what career is that!? Oh yeah, another online entertainment host on a venue nobody watches.
Oddly enough Diem’s myspace and facebook lists her as single. Her boyfriend must be thrilled that she would fret about the Shauvon hook-up and call her relationship with CT amazing. Miss self-absorbed/holier than thou thinks that her ex should pine away for her while she moves on.
Here’s the real reason for this rant: CT mentioned that he did a lot for her charity. As someone affected by cancer, this is the reason why I followed her. The [URL="http://l4tc.com/"]Live For The Challenge[/URL] homepage works but it hasn’t been updated since June 2007. All the other areas of the site do not work. Makes me wonder how deeply involved was CT with the charity. Maybe Beth was right about Diem after all.
After show was good, I though the whole cutting to backstage to get people's reaction felt so over the top. So I *gulp* actually felt something for CT other than the usual urge to vomit. It's clear he's gone through some pretty bad things that I wouldn't even wish on my worst enemy and I do hope for his sake that somehow he's able to have some level of peace at some point. I also didn't think it was fair for Diem to suggest that she never hurt CT, w/o knowing the details it seems that they both genuinely cared for one another and left that relationship hurt and there are probably still a whole lot of unresolved feelings. I agree with CT on the fact that technically he hadn't done anything wrong in "getting off" (hehe, I thought that was a funny way of putting it) with/on Shauvon, he and Diem were no longer together. I agree with Diem that he shouldn't have lied about it or be so blatantly insensitive about how that would make her feel. It's just disrespectful to be so out of control with your p---s that you can't keep a leash on it until after the challenge is done.
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Shauvon is like some visitor from the planet of Elvira ******. I agree with whoever said it's obvious that she has no respect for herself. And yelling over someone at the top of your lungs and contradicting yourself repeatedly isn't winning an argument, it's making yourself look like a *******-. But I do concede the point that whatever issues Diem had shouldv'e been taken up with CT directly. And I do think Diem is, in part, to blame for the SITUATION, but she shouldn't blame herself for CT wailing on Adam because the only person CT has to blame for that is himself. [/FONT][/COLOR]
I think Adam has every right to say he doesn't forgive CT, CT attacked him physically on more than one occassion and the level of brutality to it has never been warranted, including in this case. It's easy for CT to say let's hug it out, people practically treat him like a hero for kicking people's a--es. Adam, on the other hand, based on his words has to deal with people coming up to him all the time and harassing him. I respect the fact that CT was man enough to say "I was wrong" "I'm sorry." And I respect Adam for honestly saying I take your apology but I don't forgive you. He should've pulled an LC and said "I want to forgive you, and I want to forget you."
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]CT had no business being there in the first place. I actually think its unfortunate that he can't get his rage under control, because otherwise he could add so much more to these challanges. If this had been one isolated incident in the wake of what happened with his family, I would say bygones. However, given his history, I frankly have no interest on ever seeing his face on another challenge. The only thing he needs to be on is Z List Celebrity Tool Academy.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[quote=V1man;58715]First, welcome to vevmo. Glad you found us.
Here is a little "what you didn't see" insight. Diem did talk to a lot of people, not just Katie and Adam. Rather than "outing" CT, Adam was simply giving her some advice about CT as others saw him in the game: they have to deal with him but don't like him. There was no reason Adam not to talk to Diem. Adam already knew that she knew.
There was a lot of give an take edited out of sequence on the Aftershow so the give and take between Diem and CT was somewhat manufactured out of disjointed parts -- what the reality editors call "frankenbiting." There is also more of a back story to some of the things CT said to Diem and what she did not say to him. There is a chance that she will have more to say on the subject very soon, at least that is the impression I gained from reading her brief post-aftershow myspace blog late last night.
As for Adam attempting to look like the victim, I suspect that he has had the advice of a very good lawyer. I saw clear hints of that in most of his answers to Mark on the Aftershow. At least some of his responses were what I would have advised someone to say in similar circumstances.
I wonder how many security people were present off camera?[/quote]
Editors must hate her then: ****** show edit, ****** aftershow edit
[QUOTE=eggs78;58720]Editors must hate her then: ****** show edit, ****** aftershow edit[/QUOTE]
I'd see it more as an attempt to provide fan rehab for one of their major fan draws than any hate toward her.
I usually dislike Diem, but I don't mind her so much now. Plus, she looked pretty good on the aftershow! :wink3:
They may have broken up, but I can understand why Diem was so upset about the CT/Shauvon hook-up. He completely humiliated her on television. CT wasn't even scraping the bottom of the barrel -- he was scraping at the ground [I]under[/I] the bottom of the barrel.
Shauvon may have blond hair and gigantic breasts, but the rest of her is not particularly attractive. I have a feeling she will end up like her extensions -- used up, dried out, and thrown away!
[quote=Zereaux;58731]I usually dislike Diem, but I don't mind her so much now. Plus, she looked pretty good on the aftershow! :wink3:
They may have broken up, but I can understand why Diem was so upset about the CT/Shauvon hook-up. He completely humiliated her on television. CT wasn't even scraping the bottom of the barrel -- he was scraping at the ground [I]under[/I] the bottom of the barrel.
Shauvon may have blond hair and gigantic breasts, but the rest of her is not particularly attractive. I have a feeling she will end up like her extensions -- used up, dried out, and thrown away![/quote]
How was Diem humiliated?
This is my opinion on the CT/Diem situation from a female perspective:
CT may not have broken any dating rules in terms of cheating, but wasn't completely right either IMO.
It's one thing if you hook up with someone after you've broken up, but it's another to hook up with someone under (or on) the same roof of your ex that you still have some type of relationship with. It's obvious that they still shared feelings for each even if they weren't officially together. Therefore, I can understand how hurt and embarrassed Diem was because everyone was probably like "Ohhhh I wonder what Diem thinks about that!" She was probably suddenly put into the spotlight because her ex whom she is still close to just did SOMETHING with another girl on the roof of the house they were staying in. How many people would think it was ok to hook up with another person that close in proximity to your ex? Granted, not too many of us share a house with our ex and others for weeks, but still....
That's just my opinion based on what I saw on tv. :)
Diem was humiliated because she felt that because they both love each other that he was suppose to wait those 5 years like she requested. ::BUZZER:: WRONG! Also she was humiliated because not only did it go under her nose, she the last to know. She also felt that because she was veteran at this challenges and everyone knows the basis of their relationship so to HER that means CT is "off limits" for the other girls ::BUZZER:: WRONG AGAIN MY FRIEND! Like i stated previously, I dont care if Shavoun knew (which i think she did) that they were in a relationship, her loyalty does not lie with Diem, they are merely associates. That unwritten rule that ex boyfriends are off limits is for people that are "friends". If you're taking a "break" or officially breaking up, you have the right to do what you want, i do think that the sexual encounter with Shavoun was a way for him to get back at Diem for the "break up" and her not being there for him, but if anyone should've been humiliated it should've been Shavoun for being used as a pawn.
Its obvious the two of them still love each other and no matter how Diem tries to come off as if shes over this situation because she has a new boyfriend, its not the truth. All of that anger and those tears are emotions and feelings that she still has towards CT and the same goes for him as well. Girls cry over relationships and eat a pint of ice cream while guys try to **** plastic chubby face PLAYBOY/AMATUER **** rejects with bad weaves and awkward bodies to get over the pain...
[quote=Debut Album;58737]How was Diem humiliated?[/quote]
Her ex-boyfriend had sex with Miss Piggy incarnate, denied it, and then reached what almost looked like a psychotic break, all on television. They may not have been together, but that would still be pretty embarrassing.
[quote=Abhor;58749]Diem was humiliated because she felt that because they both love each other that he was suppose to wait those 5 years like she requested. ::BUZZER:: WRONG! Also she was humiliated because not only did it go under her nose, she the last to know. She also felt that because she was veteran at this challenges and everyone knows the basis of their relationship so to HER that means CT is "off limits" for the other girls ::BUZZER:: WRONG AGAIN MY FRIEND! Like i stated previously, I dont care if Shavoun knew (which i think she did) that they were in a relationship, her loyalty does not lie with Diem, they are merely associates. That unwritten rule that ex boyfriends are off limits is for people that are "friends". If you're taking a "break" or officially breaking up, you have the right to do what you want, i do think that the sexual encounter with Shavoun was a way for him to get back at Diem for the "break up" and her not being there for him, but if anyone should've been humiliated it should've been Shavoun for being used as a pawn.
Its obvious the two of them still love each other and no matter how Diem tries to come off as if shes over this situation because she has a new boyfriend, its not the truth. All of that anger and those tears are emotions and feelings that she still has towards CT and the same goes for him as well. Girls cry over relationships and eat a pint of ice cream while guys try to **** plastic chubby face PLAYBOY/AMATUER **** rejects with bad weaves and awkward bodies to get over the pain...[/quote]
Couldn't agree with you more. Diem's sense of entitlement makes one of the least likable cancer survivors ever. Feel sorry for the boyfriend, not only is she listed as single in myspace/facebook but he has to her about her "amazing" relationship with CT on national tv.
I think CT is over it though. He was more interesting in hugging it out with Adam than being friends with Diem.
And I don't understand the 5 year thing. It ain't the 1950's. Women can have both.
[quote=Zereaux;58731]
Shauvon may have blond hair and gigantic breasts, but the rest of her is not particularly attractive. I have a feeling [B]she will end up like her extensions -- used up, dried out, and thrown away![/B][/quote]
Nice. Nice. :laugh4:
[quote=eggs78;58758]Couldn't agree with you more. Diem's sense of entitlement makes one of the least likable cancer survivors ever. Feel sorry for the boyfriend, not only is she listed as single in myspace/facebook but he has to her about her "amazing" relationship with CT on national tv.
I think CT is over it though. He was more interesting in hugging it out with Adam than being friends with Diem.
[B]And I don't understand the 5 year thing. It ain't the 1950's. Women can have both. [/B][/quote]
I dont get it either, but no woman's "***" is good enough to make a man wait 5 years..get your ***** off the pedestal!
While I don't like Diem's seeming entitlement, I think that she is deep down trying to be classy, so that she doesn't embarrass her family and friends. Considering the way CT treated her last time, I would assume it embarrassed her and she was trying to be cautious this time. When he AGAIN not only lies, but repeatedly tells her he has no feelings for her and also throws up the career comment multiple times, while raging like a lunatic, she was probably embarrassed again. For being one of the only people on the show to see the 'Chris' inside CT, she must have heard a lot about what a jerk, lunatic, meathead, etc. that he is. It can be embarrassing after a break up to have an ex act like that, because you are still associated with having been with that person. You were with that crazy idiot? Why would you do that? He's nuts, what does that make you for dating him? I think that's where her aftershow anger and frustration came from. Why do you put on this act when I know the real you, why are you trying to hurt me when I stood by you... I've been there and it's not a good place to be, so I hope she stays positive about herself.
I just want to reiterate how AWESOME it was when Mark called out Shauvon. Even Evan, ugh I hate to give him any credit but dragging Adam out and holding onto him gave him a little boost in my eyes.
Out of curiousity... what were the other lies he told her? I didn't pay much attention to their story line before. The only lie I'm aware of is the Shauvon lie.
[quote=eggs78;58758]
And I don't understand the 5 year thing. It ain't the 1950's. Women can have both.[/quote]
I think it was concerning how he treated her when he was drunk- maybe in 5 years he would grow up, she could go to live with him after she'd established a good career(I think she's n LA, right, so it's more opportunities than Boston to me).... but I mostly think it's the drinking- in 5 years, it'll be out of his system, he'll mature- but that's not necessarily true. I don't think she thought he'd WAIT for her, but that he wouldn't rub it in her face, do it on a TV show and embarrass her again by hooking up day 1 and lying about the blatant hookup.
[quote=Abhor;58767]I dont get it either, but no woman's "***" is good enough to make a man wait 5 years..get your ***** off the pedestal![/quote]
Wow. Really? Did you just say "***"? I would certainly hope their realationship was about more than just sex.
[quote=Insider;58771]Out of curiousity... what were the other lies he told her? I didn't pay much attention to their story line before. The only lie I'm aware of is the Shauvon lie.[/quote]
If you're responding to me, I wasn't referring to lies he told her, but how he was treating her like crap AGAIN, this time lying and generally being mean and disrespectful.
[QUOTE=Insider;58773]Wow. Really? Did you just say "***"? I would certainly hope their relationship was about more than just sex.[/QUOTE]
I am sure it was as well...they were together for 5 years if CT was only out for the sex he would have hooked up with one of the more ****** women when he and Diem first started dating. I am 99% sure there was WAY more to this relationship than just sex.
[QUOTE=Abhor;58767]I dont get it either, but no woman's "***" is good enough to make a man wait 5 years..get your ***** off the pedestal![/QUOTE]
You're new so I'm cutting you a break here. We like to think of ourselves as a site with a little bit more class than the average place. Please attempt to keep the discourse elevated and out of the gutter or one of the mods will "help" you do that by removing or modifying your comments.
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[quote=Insider;58773]Wow. Really? Did you just say "***"? I would certainly hope their realationship was about more than just sex.[/quote]
THANK YOU INSIDER!! I was going to say something, but I thought better of it... not a nice way to speak about women at all.
LMAO! I knew that comment would make the keys jump. I have a sense of humor which i wont apologize for it but i will watch what i type on here...make it less offensive and less vulgar!
[QUOTE=Abhor;58787]LMAO! I knew that comment would make the keys jump. I have a sense of humor which i wont apologize for it but i will watch what i type on here...make it less offensive and less vulgar![/QUOTE]
A sense of humor is fine but still make sure you show respect for everyone that visit's vevmo.
[quote=Abhor;58787]LMAO! I knew that comment would make the keys jump. I have a sense of humor which i wont apologize for it but i will watch what i type on here...make it less offensive and less vulgar![/quote]
Good deal! :curtsey:
[quote=Stacee_Danielle;58791]A sense of humor is fine but still make sure you show respect for everyone that visit's vevmo.[/quote]
yea, i just said that..
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