Diem announces her departure from the challenges

[QUOTE=V1man;368102]In the comments area of Diem's People blog from yesterday are two of the things about Cooke that have been whispered by some cast members. Diem didn't mentioned them in her blog; and, as far as I know, Diem doesn't plan to talk about them during the Reunion show.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing you are referring to Cooke allegedly sleeping with a producer. If so, why does Diem care about that so much that she hate Cooke a lot? Why would Diem say that Cooke didn't deserve to make the finals when her crime had nothing to do with Diem?

[QUOTE=skyhigh;368078]This is BS. The producers didn't edit Diem in a bad light, she did it to herself. Stop making excuses for her awful behavior. If Trishelle was doing the same thing, you would have been all over her. Did the producers edit her to meltdown when she didn't get her way? no. She did it herself. Did the producers tell her to act entitled and say that Cooke/Cara Maria didn't deserve to be there? no. What's her excuse for saying that? Why exactly should Cooke not be in the game? What did Diem do to deserve a final more than Cooke? Nothing. Did the producers tell Diem to backstab Camila? No. Did the producers tell her to hate on Cooke for no reason, then act passive aggressive about that hate? No Did the producers tell her rap about Nany behind her back, then lie about it later? No Did the producers tell her to act like a drunk mess because control freak Diem had no control over her situation? No If she was getting a bad edit, I would expect others to say it. From what I've heard, no one confirmed. People like Robb, Camila, Nehemiah basically implied that this is the real Diem. Just face it, the Challenge showed Diem's true colors. She was never anything like she was portrayed in earlier seasons. If it wasn't for her trials and tribulations, no one would defend her here. Its no coincidence that people throw out the edit excuse only after they do ****ty things. Its easy to blame the producers, but she should be taking accountability for her actions.[/QUOTE] What are you yammering about? It's a reality tv show! True colors? You've got to be kidding me. I would say those exact four sentences to you if you had exerted that much energy to make points about Cooke, Nany, Trey, Zach or any of the other cast members.

[QUOTE=V1man;368121]That is a question for Diem, not me. BTW, that would be "married producer."[/QUOTE] Cooke's not married--she's not committed. Speaks volumes about the guy

So by that logic its okay to have sex with a married person?

[QUOTE=V1man;368124]And perhaps about the production company?[/QUOTE] True

[QUOTE=nmanderson;368120]What are you yammering about? It's a reality tv show! True colors? You've got to be kidding me. I would say those exact four sentences to you if you had exerted that much energy to make points about Cooke, Nany, Trey, Zach or any of the other cast members.[/QUOTE]No one is sending messages to Cooke, Nany, Trey, and Zach to say how classy, mature and awesome they are. They've been bashed quite a bit. Diem didn't get that treatment until a few weeks ago. I don't know where you've been, but those people you listed get trashed here quite a bit. For example, Nany is never going to live down being attracted to losers like Adam. It says a lot about her that she cheated on her BF so that she could be with a deadbeat.

[QUOTE=skyhigh;368127]No one is sending messages to Cooke, Nany, Trey, and Zach to say how classy, mature and awesome they are. They've been bashed quite a bit. Diem didn't get that treatment until a few weeks ago. I don't know where you've been, but those people you listed get trashed here quite a bit. For example, Nany is never going to live down being attracted to losers like Adam. It says a lot about her that she cheated on her BF so that she could be with a deadbeat.[/QUOTE] Adam was not a loser. I don't get why people use that terminology when referring to him anyway. I thought he was awesome. At the time, I liked way more better than I did Cooke but I still like them equally. Just because you don't see it here doesn't mean that those aforementioned four aren't fan favorites. Trey maybe but the rest, not so much. Cooke did the damn thing this season and nobody should complain, incident aside. And get it through your head that Nany is not the only one who cheated on her significant other in the history of the Real World franchise. SMH at people acting like she's the first.

[QUOTE=Challenge 17;368123]So by that logic its okay to have sex with a married person?[/QUOTE] Who are we to judge? The married person whether male or female is just as bad.

[QUOTE=V1man;368121]That is a question for Diem, not me. BTW, that would be "married producer."[/QUOTE] Oh please, like that is anybody else's business what they do in their private life. I mean just because she came for Diem doesn't mean any and everybody should jump at Cooke. Diem is not God's gift. Medgift, maybe. And this is coming from a Diem fan as of Duel 2. I liked her on The Duel, Exes and this challenge by the way.

[QUOTE=Challenge 17;368123]So by that logic its okay to have sex with a married person?[/QUOTE] She made no commitment to anyone. The married person is the only one breaking their word. Assuming Cooke is single she can sleep with whomever she wants--she doesn't owe anyone anything.

I really don't get it, I really don't, So Diem is mad at Cooke for sleeping with a married producer? What is it to her though ? Yeah that's wrong but I mean you didn't see the whole house hate Cooke for it, and I'm pretty sure everyone knew so why was Diem the only one that hated her for it. There has to be more to this story than just that. At this point, I really have no reason to not like Cooke, don't get me wrong I ain't condoning what she did but I like the team of Cara and Cooke team, and I like Diem too, I read her blog and it was a good read. It's just this Cooke and Diem thing that is driving me insane.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;368131]She made no commitment to anyone. The married person is the only one breaking their word. Assuming Cooke is single she can sleep with whomever she wants--she doesn't owe anyone anything.[/QUOTE I agree plus what does Cooke's sex life have to do with Diem? I don't get it....I mean I am still trying to figure out what the heck Cooke did to Diem that was SO bad. The only thing Diem said was that she doesn't agree with females who use their sexuality for a vote....ok? And...was that what Cooke did? She slept around for votes? Again, who cares! its her life.

she joins the miz mark timmy eric jenn theo katie veronica selvanta beth coral tonya evylyn and many others in the challenge retirement group

[QUOTE=Imjustsayin;368139]I agree plus what does Cooke's sex life have to do with Diem? I don't get it....I mean I am still trying to figure out what the heck Cooke did to Diem that was SO bad. The only thing Diem said was that she doesn't agree with females who use their sexuality for a vote....ok? And...was that what Cooke did? She slept around for votes? Again, who cares! its her life.[/QUOTE] Even if Cooke tried to sleep around for votes it didn't work so that shouldn't matter anyway

I think the reason Diem dislikes Cooke could have to do with things that were not included in the show. She said in her blog that Cooke continually took pleasure in her pain and that every time Diem was hurt by something that Cooke would laugh or smile about it, like Diem's pain brought Cooke pleasure in some way. So it does sound like some sort of bullying went on. I'll bet if Cooke was just ****** and that was all there was to it that Diem wouldn't be so mad because Anastasia was the same way and Diem did not dislike her.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;368131]She made no commitment to anyone. The married person is the only one breaking their word. Assuming Cooke is single she can sleep with whomever she wants--she doesn't owe anyone anything.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but I really doesn't understand why people say this. Sure, as a single person she can hook up with anyone she wants because there's nobody in her life she's supposed to be faithful to. But if the people you're becoming involved with are married then that shows you have a lack of compassion for other human beings.

If you watch the after show for "true colors" Diem says that other cast members were telling her that cooke was flirting with CT to hurt her. Whether that's true or not, if you see your ex flirting with someone in front of you throughout the whole season you naturally just wouldn't like that person. Then there's the alliances....cooke was a rookie and they all wanted her gone, they all talked trash it wasn't only Diem. And lastly don't forget the snarky comment cooke made at the end of the show when CT said that he wanted to see diem come back since shes his number one.

[QUOTE=SourWolf;368149]I'm sorry but I really doesn't understand why people say this. Sure, as a single person she can hook up with anyone she wants because there's nobody in her life she's supposed to be faithful to. But if the people you're becoming involved with are married then that shows you have a lack of compassion for other human beings.[/QUOTE] Completely disagree with how you're trying to use compassion here. Compassion can't exist until the other person has already suffered. Where is the suffering without the act? Compassion also requires an action of help...the only thing that could make her compassionate here is if the dude hit on her then she told his wife...still ruining their marriage. These things only have one possible outcome... I'm been happily married for years and if my wife cheated on me I'd never blame the guy for a second--it would all be on her. He wouldn't have "made" her cheat, just like Cooke didn't make this guy cheat.

[QUOTE=Stacysmom;368151]If you watch the after show for "true colors" Diem says that other cast members were telling her that cooke was flirting with CT to hurt her. Whether that's true or not, if you see your ex flirting with someone in front of you throughout the whole season you naturally just wouldn't like that person. Then there's the alliances....cooke was a rookie and they all wanted her gone, they all talked trash it wasn't only Diem. And lastly don't forget the snarky comment cooke made at the end of the show when CT said that he wanted to see diem come back since shes his number one.[/QUOTE] Why would Diem care that Cooke ****ed CT? CT practically begged Diem all season to get back together. She made it clear that she was done with him. IF she wanted CT for herself, I guarantee do that CT drops everyone else for her. Instead she played games with CT's heart. If she doesn't want him, then he is a free agent. Sometimes free agents sign with teams you don't like but that is the risk you take when you let someone go.

[QUOTE=skyhigh;368157]Why would Diem care that Cooke ****ed CT? CT practically begged Diem all season to get back together. She made it clear that she was done with him. IF she wanted CT for herself, I guarantee do that CT drops everyone else for her. [B]Instead she played games with CT's heart.[/B] If she doesn't want him, then he is a free agent. Sometimes free agents sign with teams you don't like but that is the risk you take when you let someone go.[/QUOTE] ...lol. When did CT ever express that his heart was hurt or confused by Diem's actions?

[QUOTE=kvm1977;368131]She made no commitment to anyone. The married person is the only one breaking their word. Assuming Cooke is single she can sleep with whomever she wants--she doesn't owe anyone anything.[/QUOTE] Disagree. *****a general comment not about Cooke specifically**** If you are single and you get involved with, have a one night stand with, fall in love with someone who is in a committed relationship, you do owe someone something. You owe the prior significant other the same respect most of us would want. If the object of your affection doesn't want to be in the other relationship, let them get out of it. Plus, you owe yourself something ~ dignity and self-respect. I hate to think that in this day and age women still take the zipper highway to fame and fortune. Enough said.

[QUOTE=nmanderson;368177]Disagree. *****a general comment not about Cooke specifically**** If you are single and you get involved with, have a one night stand with, fall in love with someone who is in a committed relationship, you do owe someone something. Y[B]ou owe the prior significant other the same respect most of us would want.[/B] If the object of your affection doesn't want to be in the other relationship, let them get out of it. Plus, you owe yourself something ~ dignity and self-respect. I hate to think that in this day and age women still take the zipper highway to fame and fortune. Enough said.[/QUOTE] No, you don't. This is ridiculous...absolutely ridiculous. They owe them nothing--hell, they don't even know them in most cases. What is worse is that women seem to blame women more than the married guy that has the commitment. Why does sleeping with someone that is attached to someone else mean you lack "dignity and self-respect"? Are you kidding me? To some people--it's just sex.

[QUOTE=skyhigh;368127]No one is sending messages to Cooke, Nany, Trey, and Zach to say how classy, mature and awesome they are. They've been bashed quite a bit. Diem didn't get that treatment until a few weeks ago. [COLOR="#0000CD"][U][/U][B]You mean on vevom? Or in general? Unless you follow them beyond here (twitter, email, etc) how would any of us know that. And of all the messages to send: classy mature and awesome, mostly what I've read on here is hot, beautiful, really hot, really beautiful, so hot[/B][/COLOR] I don't know where you've been [COLOR="#0000CD"][/COLOR[U][/U][B]](I've been reading vevom, just like you[/B])[COLOR="#0000CD"][/COLOR][COLOR="#0000CD"][/COLOR], but those people you listed get trashed here quite a bit. [COLOR="#0000CD"][/COLOR]Who? [U][/U][B] Haven't read much Nany trash or Zach trash on here[/B].[COLOR="#0000CD"][/COLOR] Not For example, Nany is never going to live down being attracted to losers like Adam. It says a lot about her that she cheated on her BF so that she could be with a deadbeat. [U][/U][B]What do you mean? That it says good about her or not good about her. I don't know Nany personally but she doesn't strike me as Mother Theresa.[/[/B]QUOTE] You are entitled to your opinion which I think translates to The Queen is Dead, Long Live the Queen. I'd take 10 Diems over most of the rookies any day. Saw a nice tweet from Jess to Diem on Twitter. That awful Diem actually picked up the phone and called her! And, don't faint, it was a nice, encouraging conversation. Step back, true colors indeed!

[QUOTE=skimthrough;368158]...lol. When did CT ever express that his heart was hurt or confused by Diem's actions?[/QUOTE] I think this might be in reference to the "career first" break up. CT did seem hurt by it, at least to a degree.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;368152]Completely disagree with how you're trying to use compassion here. Compassion can't exist until the other person has already suffered. Where is the suffering without the act? Compassion also requires an action of help...the only thing that could make her compassionate here is if the dude hit on her then she told his wife...still ruining their marriage. These things only have one possible outcome... I'm been happily married for years and if my wife cheated on me I'd never blame the guy for a second--it would all be on her. He wouldn't have "made" her cheat, just like Cooke didn't make this guy cheat.[/QUOTE] I didn't say anything about placing the blame on the unmarried party. Of course the spouse should be blaming the person they're married to. But that doesn't change the fact the other man or woman would still have to be one very selfish person to want to get involved with someone who they know has a spouse. Not only is that creating a situation where the person being cheated on could get hurt, but that creates about of drama for yourself as well that could have been avoided.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;368180]No, you don't. This is ridiculous...absolutely ridiculous. They owe them nothing--hell, they don't even know them in most cases. What is worse is that women seem to blame women more than the married guy that has the commitment. Why does sleeping with someone that is attached to someone else mean you lack "dignity and self-respect"? Are you kidding me? [COLOR="#800080"]Nope, not kidding. Also, not ridiculous. Just different perspectives. You're right, to some it's just sex. As a woman, as a person, we all know it takes two to tango. I'm not NOT blaming a married guy who takes an offer or makes an offer. BUT...the other party in the offer is not without fault. Like I said, you owe what you would want. Most of us (humans) don't want to be cheated on unless we have an open relationship. It's a moral thing, the dignity and self-respect. Like you have a conscience or are not totally self absorbed. [/COLOR]To some people--it's just sex.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=erik2690;368183]I think this might be in reference to the "career first" break up. CT did seem hurt by it, at least to a degree.[/QUOTE] In Exes, when they had their talk. He told her his mom didn't hate her but his mom knew how hurt he was.

[QUOTE=SourWolf;368034]The question about why people keep agreeing to do these Challenges given the production's reputation is a valid one. By now I'm sure most of the cast members have heard of the Tonya situation. I can only speak for myself, but I know if I were a cast member of this show and I heard a woman had allegedly been sexually assaulted during filming and nobody stepped in and stopped it, well I would refuse to appear on another Challenge because I would no longer feel that this was a safe environment. Just because they've been "nice" to me so far doesn't mean they won't eventually treat me like crap too. I still like Diem despite what was shown of her this season, but I really am confused as to why she and the other "nice" competitors have continued to appear on The Challenge. Everything I've heard about the people running the show and just the cast's own comments about it are mainly negative. Why would anyone want to willingly sign up for a reality show where they know the people in charge care very little about the safety of it's cast members?[/QUOTE] It's easy to judge the situation in hindsight when in actuality we as viewers know a tiny fraction of what's actually going on. I personally don't think anyone here is in any position to pretend they'd say no to something perceived to be an "opportunity", such as being on a Challenge. After all, let's be honest with ourselves: We're all watching the damn show. Our support by watching it isn't any different than cast members repeatedly accepting invites. Our hands aren't clean either. For someone like Diem, she's had it "good" and built a decade-long relationship with a company that treated her endearingly. We can sit here and say "well I wouldn't have done that" all we want but the truth remains: we didn't experience what she did. I'm sure the trust she built with the company felt genuine at the time and it isn't our place to judge her for her apparent naivete. Let's not forget she started doing Challenges right when cast treatment started going downhill. It's not like she had a reference point to compare her experiences to. If you read cast interviews (and not cherry pick just the negative tid-bits), you'll get a better perspective of why people choose to return to the show and what they gain out of it. You'll find several interviews here on Vevmo, actually. And let's not make the mistake of generalizing the entire cast pool as "willing". The growing list of permanent retirees is a testament to the fact that the line [B]is[/B] being drawn and cast members are no longer having it (Johanna, Katie, Evelyn, Jenn, Kim, Sarah Ralston, Veronica, Tonya, Alex, Trishelle, Svetlana, Patrick).