Justin booth was on gauntlet 2 btw. The finals got fked cause I think the cast saw the finals course they were building so they called an audible.
but regardless that final is the point in the show I can point at and say yup this is where it's decline began.
fm = average
duel = great
inferno 3 = average
gauntlet 3 = bad
island = awful
duel 2 = below average
I do think the big common denominator is the JEK alliance tainting those seasons. Not to put the entire blame on them (other cast members fell into the bs too) i think they created a toxic environment in the game that has stayed since they still cast Bananas/CT/Wes etc. Plus that environement probably deterred people who would have been great for the show (i.e. Arielle from Explosion, i know she said she never wanted to do one but i think if the vibes were like an old school season she may have been intrested)
What would be interesting to see is how the show would have changed if they stopped casting older players and gave newer players time to shine, I personally think the New Orleans 2-Skeletons era could have been cute
Justin booth was on gauntlet 2 btw. The finals got fked cause I think the cast saw the finals course they were building so they called an audible.
but regardless that final is the point in the show I can point at and say yup this is where it's decline began.
fm = average
duel = great
inferno 3 = average
gauntlet 3 = bad
island = awful
duel 2 = below average
I do think the big common denominator is the JEK alliance tainting those seasons. Not to put the entire blame on them (other cast members fell into the bs too) i think they created a toxic environment in the game that has stayed since they still cast Bananas/CT/Wes etc. Plus that environement probably deterred people who would have been great for the show (i.e. Arielle from Explosion, i know she said she never wanted to do one but i think if the vibes were like an old school season she may have been intrested)
What would be interesting to see is how the show would have changed if they stopped casting older players and gave newer players time to shine, I personally think the New Orleans 2-Skeletons era could have been cute
show was already in decline i think before JEK reared its ugly head in gauntlet 3 then it def shifted into another gear that szn. show was steady, not great overall but steady and consistent from rivals - exes 2.
anyway ill continue: ruins - first 4-5 episodes were good...entire season as a whole below average. fm2 is below average. cutthroat is good. rivals is average. exes is below average. seasons 2 is good. rivals 2 is average. free agents is average. exes 2 is great. bloodlines was bad, rivals 3 was awful. invasion was average with dirty 30, vendettas both being bad (imo.) i only saw an episode or 2 of FR and WOTW so cant grade. havent seen an episode of a szn since.
anyway ill continue: ruins - first 4-5 episodes were good...entire season as a whole below average. fm2 is below average. cutthroat is good. rivals is average. exes is below average. seasons 2 is good. rivals 2 is average. free agents is average. exes 2 is great. bloodlines was bad, rivals 3 was awful. invasion was average with dirty 30, vendettas both being bad (imo.) i only saw an episode or 2 of FR and WOTW so cant grade. havent seen an episode of a szn since.
See--and I think this is a great example of how people are never going to agree. The Ruins was great until Veronica/Darrell left. When Darrell fought Brad it was over for me but great until then. FM2 is one of the best seasons after FM. Sure it was Wes vs. Kenny but it worked because it wasn't Kenny/Evan/Derrick/John. Jenn played an amazing game. Landon winning with Carley was one of the best finals ever. Agreed Cutthroat good (one of the easiest to rewatch). Exes/Rivals/Free Agents were all average to me. Seasons 2 was crap. Exes 2 was awful aside from Sarah ruining John's game. The Exile twist, AYTO showing up, Diem dying, Zack treating Jonna like garbage, etc. I'll never understand why people like that season. Nia? Other than Nia I have nothing aside from Sarah making John look dumb. Bloodlines and Rivals 3 are 2 of the worst (the Island?) if not the worst 2 seasons. Invasion could have been great but agreed was average as was D30. I think 31-present have all been horrible. Maybe WOTW/WOTW2 were just "bad"
To me inferno 3 is good just simply off the fact it's a rare season. Rewatching it feels fresh & sometimes I even forget the order of eliminations which is impossible for me to do on rewatches of other seasons.
I'm going to try to rewatch the trilogy. I know I'll never like FR as much as many but Vendettas was one of the worst seasons ever IMO with the bullshit troika. Ammo beating Tony alone makes Dirty 30 better lol
Dirty 30 > Invasion > Rivals III > Vendettas > Double Agents > Final Recogning > Total Madness > the other three, if I was forced I'd say WOTW1 then 2 then Spies.
And on FR: Marie was the only good part of this season, and a Veronica cameo w/ a little Shane helped it be rank it as high as it is.
What did Veronica do to make her some strategic goddess? I don't see it. Y'all hyped her up now she on Twitter saying Big brother was made for her lol. Kam could run circles around her. Mentally and physically.
What did Veronica do to make her some strategic goddess? I don't see it. Y'all hyped her up now she on Twitter saying Big brother was made for her lol. Kam could run circles around her. Mentally and physically.
Exactly bestie, let them know because I ain't riding for that wine guzzling out of shape *****.
What did Veronica do to make her some strategic goddess? I don't see it. Y'all hyped her up now she on Twitter saying Big brother was made for her lol. Kam could run circles around her. Mentally and physically.
Did the watch the Golden era? Veronica is a 3 time champ. Kam hasn't won anything just as a comparison. Her big move was to send in two rookie pairs against each other
The only strategic thing Veronica has managed to pull off was the Ibis vote on the Ruins and Leroy on D30. She got played by Julie and Jodi on the Inferno 2, Katie/Ruthie/Sophia on Sexes 2, Emily and Ellen on Sexes 1, and Emily, Holly B, Chadwick and Piggy on Seasons 1. Her strategy on the Gauntlet 1 was to hump a ladder on the last challenge before the final since she was at risk of going into elimination and she succeeded in getting the lifesaver (I'll give her props). On the inferno 1 it was pretty much the entire Road Rules team sans Kendal that planned Katie's sabotage.
The only strategic thing Veronica has managed to pull off was the Ibis vote on the Ruins and Leroy on D30. She got played by Julie and Jodi on the Inferno 2, Katie/Ruthie/Sophia on Sexes 2, Emily and Ellen on Sexes 1, and Emily, Holly B, Chadwick and Piggy on Seasons 1. Her strategy on the Gauntlet 1 was to hump a ladder on the last challenge before the final since she was at risk of going into elimination and she succeeded in getting the lifesaver (I'll give her props). On the inferno 1 it was pretty much the entire Road Rules team sans Kendal that planned Katie's sabotage.
^true, I was thinking of Rachel who Katie had gotten all the rookie girls to vote out. Still doesn't take anything away from the rest of my point though, it still stands despite that lil technicality. Thank you for noticing tho.
Please leave and never log back on. Dee is by far in the top 4 most unbearable people to ever be cast on this show (Camila, Josh, and Kaycee are the others). And her racist comments have nothing to do with why I think that. The girl is a stage 5 clinger psychopath who was annoying as ****, she brags about her win on War of the Worlds 2 when she did nothing the entire season. She would have been eliminated 4th on TM if Wes didn't help her. Gassed out after a few laps around the pool. She's an idiot.
lol I enjoyed them back then as I do now even if he is more open to "non-cast members" now lol
I do think the big common denominator is the JEK alliance tainting those seasons. Not to put the entire blame on them (other cast members fell into the bs too) i think they created a toxic environment in the game that has stayed since they still cast Bananas/CT/Wes etc. Plus that environement probably deterred people who would have been great for the show (i.e. Arielle from Explosion, i know she said she never wanted to do one but i think if the vibes were like an old school season she may have been intrested)
What would be interesting to see is how the show would have changed if they stopped casting older players and gave newer players time to shine, I personally think the New Orleans 2-Skeletons era could have been cute
The UK players should've been a one-off thing and the first UK players should've been Ashley Cain, Kayleigh, Rogan, Melissa, & Naomi Hedman.
show was already in decline i think before JEK reared its ugly head in gauntlet 3 then it def shifted into another gear that szn. show was steady, not great overall but steady and consistent from rivals - exes 2.
anyway ill continue: ruins - first 4-5 episodes were good...entire season as a whole below average. fm2 is below average. cutthroat is good. rivals is average. exes is below average. seasons 2 is good. rivals 2 is average. free agents is average. exes 2 is great. bloodlines was bad, rivals 3 was awful. invasion was average with dirty 30, vendettas both being bad (imo.) i only saw an episode or 2 of FR and WOTW so cant grade. havent seen an episode of a szn since.
Duel 2 and Inferno 3 were much better than that IMO
See--and I think this is a great example of how people are never going to agree. The Ruins was great until Veronica/Darrell left. When Darrell fought Brad it was over for me but great until then. FM2 is one of the best seasons after FM. Sure it was Wes vs. Kenny but it worked because it wasn't Kenny/Evan/Derrick/John. Jenn played an amazing game. Landon winning with Carley was one of the best finals ever. Agreed Cutthroat good (one of the easiest to rewatch). Exes/Rivals/Free Agents were all average to me. Seasons 2 was crap. Exes 2 was awful aside from Sarah ruining John's game. The Exile twist, AYTO showing up, Diem dying, Zack treating Jonna like garbage, etc. I'll never understand why people like that season. Nia? Other than Nia I have nothing aside from Sarah making John look dumb. Bloodlines and Rivals 3 are 2 of the worst (the Island?) if not the worst 2 seasons. Invasion could have been great but agreed was average as was D30. I think 31-present have all been horrible. Maybe WOTW/WOTW2 were just "bad"
To me inferno 3 is good just simply off the fact it's a rare season. Rewatching it feels fresh & sometimes I even forget the order of eliminations which is impossible for me to do on rewatches of other seasons.
Ranking the last 10 seasons imo;
10. Total Madness
9. Spies, Lies, & Allies
8. Double Agents
7. Rivals 3
6. Dirty 30
5. Vendettas
4. WOTW2
3. WOTW1
2. Invasion
1. Final Reckoning
Also idk if this is an unpopular opinion but; The internationals are not what's wrong with the show.
for me its:
10. spies lies and french fries
9. total madness
8. rivals 3
7. double agents
6. vendettas
5. wotw1
4. wotw2
3. dirty 30
2. final reckoning
1. invasion
I think they should've done an Invasion 2 for when they started to cast the brits. That format would've made sense to really introduce them IMO.
Wow this is spot on and exactly how I would rank them as well.
Best to Worst of the past 10:
WOTW > FR > Invasion > WOTW II > Vendettas > Dirty 30 > Rivals III > DA > Total Madness > SLA
10 SLA
9 Double Agents
8 Rivals 3
7 Total Madness
6 Vendettas
5 Final Reckoning
4 WW2
3 War the Worlds
2 Dirty 30
1 Invasion
You have Dirty 30 last of the trilogy?
I'm going to try to rewatch the trilogy. I know I'll never like FR as much as many but Vendettas was one of the worst seasons ever IMO with the bullshit troika. Ammo beating Tony alone makes Dirty 30 better lol
Best to worst i say for trilogy
dirty 30> fr> vendettas
dirty 30 and final reckoning were really close for me though
The Challenge really been in the trenches since WOTW 2
I would be okay with a Dee return...
Dirty 30 > Invasion > Rivals III > Vendettas > Double Agents > Final Recogning > Total Madness > the other three, if I was forced I'd say WOTW1 then 2 then Spies.
And on FR: Marie was the only good part of this season, and a Veronica cameo w/ a little Shane helped it be rank it as high as it is.
What did Veronica do to make her some strategic goddess? I don't see it. Y'all hyped her up now she on Twitter saying Big brother was made for her lol. Kam could run circles around her. Mentally and physically.
Exactly bestie, let them know because I ain't riding for that wine guzzling out of shape *****.
Unpopular opinion but debut album was right.
Did the watch the Golden era? Veronica is a 3 time champ. Kam hasn't won anything just as a comparison. Her big move was to send in two rookie pairs against each other
The only strategic thing Veronica has managed to pull off was the Ibis vote on the Ruins and Leroy on D30. She got played by Julie and Jodi on the Inferno 2, Katie/Ruthie/Sophia on Sexes 2, Emily and Ellen on Sexes 1, and Emily, Holly B, Chadwick and Piggy on Seasons 1. Her strategy on the Gauntlet 1 was to hump a ladder on the last challenge before the final since she was at risk of going into elimination and she succeeded in getting the lifesaver (I'll give her props). On the inferno 1 it was pretty much the entire Road Rules team sans Kendal that planned Katie's sabotage.
Katie went home before Veronica on sexes 2.
^true, I was thinking of Rachel who Katie had gotten all the rookie girls to vote out. Still doesn't take anything away from the rest of my point though, it still stands despite that lil technicality. Thank you for noticing tho.
Please leave and never log back on. Dee is by far in the top 4 most unbearable people to ever be cast on this show (Camila, Josh, and Kaycee are the others). And her racist comments have nothing to do with why I think that. The girl is a stage 5 clinger psychopath who was annoying as ****, she brags about her win on War of the Worlds 2 when she did nothing the entire season. She would have been eliminated 4th on TM if Wes didn't help her. Gassed out after a few laps around the pool. She's an idiot.
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