wotw2 is underated. Entertaining, good cast, and finally a team challenge. I mean its light years better than the shitty cast they currently have on now
Bloodlines has a interesting dynamic and storyline throughout when Mitch, Cory, Thomas, Stephen, Dario, Raphy was against the House. I love team formats cus it forces drama so BOOM there it is.
I expected most people to love WOTW2. I just have my own personal aggravation with it. The concept was amazing. But like I said, after Laurel left, the people were annoying and insufferable to watch. The manipulation to create a good story for the show was extra obvious. I thought the final was b.s. and this season is the reason we won't see Turbo ever again. *tear*
Not every team Challenge is great. I found the Ruins miserable to watch too. You've got to have a team to root for.
Fessy hasnt really done anything to be hated the way he is hated. People over-criticize him imo and he hasnt died in a final the way Paulie or Zach has
The dumbest thing I saw in the Fessy criticism was "he didn't even try to eat!" on the Double Agents final. Let's see, his partner broke her leg, so they have no chance in **** of winning and he's supposed to waste his time eating nasty *** for what?
Fessy hasnt really done anything to be hated the way he is hated. People over-criticize him imo and he hasnt died in a final the way Paulie or Zach has
The dumbest thing I saw in the Fessy criticism was "he didn't even try to eat!" on the Double Agents final. Let's see, his partner broke her leg, so they have no chance in **** of winning and he's supposed to waste his time eating nasty *** for what?
Yeah - he didnt quit. He knew he wasn't going to win and his partner was going to be DQ'd so why eat? lol. Fessy was fine. Amber is wack for thinking she got betrayed when she was literally the only option left to throw into elimination...
Fessy hasnt really done anything to be hated the way he is hated. People over-criticize him imo and he hasnt died in a final the way Paulie or Zach has
sure he has. He talks a way bigger game than he should. He says he is the best guy that's ever done a challenge and is 2 for 2 on coming in last on finals. A pre-requisite for talking shit is having won a challenge before. But even that doesn't go for everyone. There are some champions that have no business talking shit about anything.
he talks like any other competitive human who is playing a sport lol. I'd never police the amount of confidence someone has,
Yeah I get that no doubt. Obviously no solid competitor that goes to win is gonna say, I'm not the best and I'm probably gonna lose. But the guy claims to be the best competitor ever. I'm sorry but Fessy doesn't even brush the top 15. How can you claim to be the best ever when you haven't won. Secondly, his 3 eliminations wins? Against a guy with one hand where you have to hold onto a pole and against a dude probably 60 lbs smaller in a hall brawl. I'll give him the Kyle elimination.
Fessy hasnt really done anything to be hated the way he is hated. People over-criticize him imo and he hasnt died in a final the way Paulie or Zach has
sure he has. He talks a way bigger game than he should. He says he is the best guy that's ever done a challenge and is 2 for 2 on coming in last on finals. A pre-requisite for talking shit is having won a challenge before. But even that doesn't go for everyone. There are some champions that have no business talking shit about anything.
he talks like any other competitive human who is playing a sport lol. I'd never police the amount of confidence someone has,
Yeah I get that no doubt. Obviously no solid competitor that goes to win is gonna say, I'm not the best and I'm probably gonna lose. But the guy claims to be the best competitor ever. I'm sorry but Fessy doesn't even brush the top 15. How can you claim to be the best ever when you haven't won. Secondly, his 3 eliminations wins? Against a guy with one hand where you have to hold onto a pole and against a dude probably 60 lbs smaller in a hall brawl. I'll give him the Kyle elimination.
Fessy hasnt really done anything to be hated the way he is hated. People over-criticize him imo and he hasnt died in a final the way Paulie or Zach has
sure he has. He talks a way bigger game than he should. He says he is the best guy that's ever done a challenge and is 2 for 2 on coming in last on finals. A pre-requisite for talking shit is having won a challenge before. But even that doesn't go for everyone. There are some champions that have no business talking shit about anything.
he talks like any other competitive human who is playing a sport lol. I'd never police the amount of confidence someone has,
Yeah I get that no doubt. Obviously no solid competitor that goes to win is gonna say, I'm not the best and I'm probably gonna lose. But the guy claims to be the best competitor ever. I'm sorry but Fessy doesn't even brush the top 15. How can you claim to be the best ever when you haven't won. Secondly, his 3 eliminations wins? Against a guy with one hand where you have to hold onto a pole and against a dude probably 60 lbs smaller in a hall brawl. I'll give him the Kyle elimination.
You mean a 3-time champion, someone who was 8-1 at the time and Kyle
You can't really break it down that way to say well, he beat a 3 time champion because Jordan is just not winning a pole wrestle elimination. I can't stand him and even I felt bad watching that elimination.
You can't really break it down that way to say well, he beat a 3 time champion because Jordan is just not winning a pole wrestle elimination. I can't stand him and even I felt bad watching that elimination.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
Assuming you mean Jamieson not Dias I agree lol. Danny Dias (RIP) easily wins worst male competitor. Nick Brown is in that discussion. Tyrie is. **** Isaac should be but people like him for some reason.
Fessy hasnt really done anything to be hated the way he is hated. People over-criticize him imo and he hasnt died in a final the way Paulie or Zach has
sure he has. He talks a way bigger game than he should. He says he is the best guy that's ever done a challenge and is 2 for 2 on coming in last on finals. A pre-requisite for talking shit is having won a challenge before. But even that doesn't go for everyone. There are some champions that have no business talking shit about anything.
he talks like any other competitive human who is playing a sport lol. I'd never police the amount of confidence someone has,
Yeah I get that no doubt. Obviously no solid competitor that goes to win is gonna say, I'm not the best and I'm probably gonna lose. But the guy claims to be the best competitor ever. I'm sorry but Fessy doesn't even brush the top 15. How can you claim to be the best ever when you haven't won. Secondly, his 3 eliminations wins? Against a guy with one hand where you have to hold onto a pole and against a dude probably 60 lbs smaller in a hall brawl. I'll give him the Kyle elimination.
Before CT finally won be was at least in the discussion. Fessy has yet to loss an elimination. He's great and yeah he probably talks himself up too much but that's what athletes do.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
Assuming you mean Jamieson not Dias I agree lol. Danny Dias (RIP) easily wins worst male competitor. Nick Brown is in that discussion. Tyrie is. **** Isaac should be but people like him for some reason.
If we're talking Danny from Austin, I remember at one point, he was called the strongest male on the bada$@es team on Inferno 3. I thought "***?" I always thought he was all talk. Not Danny Diaz or Tyrie bad though. But then on Inferno 3, they thought Rachel was the strongest girl based purely on her having been in the military. ****.
Seeing as you love Jenn, what is your response to her being called a "chubby civilian" by Rachel?
People bringing up Jordans disability is a double edged sword.
If you lose to him it makes him look 10x better but when you beat him its a big conversation about his hand lol. Its ****** up that they gave him pole wrestle but at the same time theyve also given him two hammer eliminations.
People bringing up Jordans disability is a double edged sword.
If you lose to him it makes him look 10x better but when you beat him its a big conversation about his hand lol. Its ****** up that they gave him pole wrestle but at the same time theyve also given him two hammer eliminations.
The difference is he's been hammering all his life, he's said. He grew up doing construction work.
Thats my point lol they've given him something twice that they know for fact he'll be good at.
Oh yes, I'm with you there! I was mad tbh about the Theo one. Proposing-privilege, I guess and it was better for the storyline. Notice they tried to give Bananas an advantage by giving him and tall, long Theo those little cages to maneuver and he still lost.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
***uming you mean Jamieson not Dias I agree lol. Danny Dias (RIP) easily wins worst male competitor. Nick Brown is in that discussion. Tyrie is. **** Isaac should be but people like him for some reason.
If we're talking Danny from Austin, I remember at one point, he was called the strongest male on the bada$@es team on Inferno 3. I thought "***?" I always thought he was all talk. Not Danny Diaz or Tyrie bad though. But then on Inferno 3, they thought Rachel was the strongest girl based purely on her having been in the military. ****.
Seeing as you love Jenn, what is your response to her being called a "chubby civilian" by Rachel?
Jenn consistently improved from that point IMO much like Paula continually got better but it was funny especially since Rachel lost. Jenn didn't really grow on me until her FM2-Rivals run. She worked her *** off to be in better shape and her political game was spot on.
Thats my point lol they've given him something twice that they know for fact he'll be good at.
Oh yes, I'm with you there! I was mad tbh about the Theo one. Proposing-privilege, I guess and it was better for the storyline. Notice they tried to give Bananas an advantage by giving him and tall, long Theo those little cages to maneuver and he still lost.
Fessy hasnt really done anything to be hated the way he is hated. People over-criticize him imo and he hasnt died in a final the way Paulie or Zach has
sure he has. He talks a way bigger game than he should. He says he is the best guy that's ever done a challenge and is 2 for 2 on coming in last on finals. A pre-requisite for talking shit is having won a challenge before. But even that doesn't go for everyone. There are some champions that have no business talking shit about anything.
he talks like any other competitive human who is playing a sport lol. I'd never police the amount of confidence someone has,
Yeah I get that no doubt. Obviously no solid competitor that goes to win is gonna say, I'm not the best and I'm probably gonna lose. But the guy claims to be the best competitor ever. I'm sorry but Fessy doesn't even brush the top 15. How can you claim to be the best ever when you haven't won. Secondly, his 3 eliminations wins? Against a guy with one hand where you have to hold onto a pole and against a dude probably 60 lbs smaller in a hall brawl. I'll give him the Kyle elimination.
You mean a 3-time champion, someone who was 8-1 at the time and Kyle
the fact that Jordan is a 3 time champion and 8-1 at the time in elimination rounds is completely negated by the fact that they faced off in pole wrestle and 3x champ 8-1 Jordan has one ******* hand against a dude that was again 60 lbs heavier and 6 inches taller. But okay.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
Assuming you mean Jamieson not Dias I agree lol. Danny Dias (RIP) easily wins worst male competitor. Nick Brown is in that discussion. Tyrie is. **** Isaac should be but people like him for some reason.
yeah I meant Danny from Austin lol. He lost in an exile where luggage weight played a role and him and Ev had heavier weight. Lost to Davis and Adam in agility/speed friendly eliminations. His Darrell loss was straight up. Lost on Fresh Meat 2 because of his partner. And his loss on Seasons was straight up too but it seemed like Wes only showed up for the appearance check.
Fessy hasnt really done anything to be hated the way he is hated. People over-criticize him imo and he hasnt died in a final the way Paulie or Zach has
sure he has. He talks a way bigger game than he should. He says he is the best guy that's ever done a challenge and is 2 for 2 on coming in last on finals. A pre-requisite for talking shit is having won a challenge before. But even that doesn't go for everyone. There are some champions that have no business talking shit about anything.
he talks like any other competitive human who is playing a sport lol. I'd never police the amount of confidence someone has,
Yeah I get that no doubt. Obviously no solid competitor that goes to win is gonna say, I'm not the best and I'm probably gonna lose. But the guy claims to be the best competitor ever. I'm sorry but Fessy doesn't even brush the top 15. How can you claim to be the best ever when you haven't won. Secondly, his 3 eliminations wins? Against a guy with one hand where you have to hold onto a pole and against a dude probably 60 lbs smaller in a hall brawl. I'll give him the Kyle elimination.
aint kyle scrawny too lol
Of Fessy's 3 elimination wins, Kyle was easily the most similar in height/weight to Fessy.
People bringing up Jordans disability is a double edged sword.
If you lose to him it makes him look 10x better but when you beat him its a big conversation about his hand lol. Its ****** up that they gave him pole wrestle but at the same time theyve also given him two hammer eliminations.
also the fact that the two hammer eliminations were just that: Swinging a hammer. Neither involved required any physical interaction with your opponent. Pole wrestle does.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
Assuming you mean Jamieson not Dias I agree lol. Danny Dias (RIP) easily wins worst male competitor. Nick Brown is in that discussion. Tyrie is. **** Isaac should be but people like him for some reason.
If we're talking Danny from Austin, I remember at one point, he was called the strongest male on the bada$@es team on Inferno 3. I thought "***?" I always thought he was all talk. Not Danny Diaz or Tyrie bad though. But then on Inferno 3, they thought Rachel was the strongest girl based purely on her having been in the military. ****.
Seeing as you love Jenn, what is your response to her being called a "chubby civilian" by Rachel?
Jenn consistently improved from that point IMO much like Paula continually got better but it was funny especially since Rachel lost. Jenn didn't really grow on me until her FM2-Rivals run. She worked her *** off to be in better shape and her political game was spot on.
Jenn is probably the most overrated female In challenge history next to Ashley M and Tori D. She is the female Fessy. Dead Last in every final she competed in and didn't even finish 2 of her 4 finals. On top of that, she went into 1 elimination in her 3 consecutive finals run. She never really talked a big game like Fessy does tho. Jenn is strong no doubt, but her success is 1000% attributed to friendships she had rather than her getting her hands dirty. So yeah her political game is on point which I give her props for but players like Wes, Johnny, Cara Maria, Laurel, etc get more credit in my eyes because they go into eliminations a lot of the time en route to MOST their wins/finals.
Y'all wanted a team format and trashed it when we got it despite it providing the best season of the show in YEARS. P.s. cutthroat doesn't hold up on a rewatch. WOTW2>
Another unpopular opinion that Laurel vs Ninja episode may be one of the best if not the best episode of all time for this shows modern seasons.
The Laurel/Ninja episode is the only episode I actually enjoyed that season...then Laurel went home and she took the rest of the season and following seasons with her : /
Y'all wanted a team format and trashed it when we got it despite it providing the best season of the show in YEARS. P.s. cutthroat doesn't hold up on a rewatch. WOTW2>
What? Cutthroat is a great rewatch because it's simple. I don't like anyone that won that season but it's well done. Teams works when they don't overthink the set up. The tribunal was stupid on WOTW2. Bloodlines didn't work because the setup encouraged people to throw challenges. The only thing that would have made Cutthroat better was if the winning team picked who went in on the third team.
agree with all of this <3. I really did enjoy that season! I wish Camilla wasn't on it...but she made a good underdog storyline that season
I want to bang Kaycee
period!
Bloodlines has a interesting dynamic and storyline throughout when Mitch, Cory, Thomas, Stephen, Dario, Raphy was against the House. I love team formats cus it forces drama so BOOM there it is.
I expected most people to love WOTW2. I just have my own personal aggravation with it. The concept was amazing. But like I said, after Laurel left, the people were annoying and insufferable to watch. The manipulation to create a good story for the show was extra obvious. I thought the final was b.s. and this season is the reason we won't see Turbo ever again. *tear*
Not every team Challenge is great. I found the Ruins miserable to watch too. You've got to have a team to root for.
The dumbest thing I saw in the Fessy criticism was "he didn't even try to eat!" on the Double Agents final. Let's see, his partner broke her leg, so they have no chance in **** of winning and he's supposed to waste his time eating nasty *** for what?
Yeah - he didnt quit. He knew he wasn't going to win and his partner was going to be DQ'd so why eat? lol. Fessy was fine. Amber is wack for thinking she got betrayed when she was literally the only option left to throw into elimination...
at least you're aware this is an unpopular opinion
Yeah I get that no doubt. Obviously no solid competitor that goes to win is gonna say, I'm not the best and I'm probably gonna lose. But the guy claims to be the best competitor ever. I'm sorry but Fessy doesn't even brush the top 15. How can you claim to be the best ever when you haven't won. Secondly, his 3 eliminations wins? Against a guy with one hand where you have to hold onto a pole and against a dude probably 60 lbs smaller in a hall brawl. I'll give him the Kyle elimination.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
aint kyle scrawny too lol
You mean a 3-time champion, someone who was 8-1 at the time and Kyle
You can't really break it down that way to say well, he beat a 3 time champion because Jordan is just not winning a pole wrestle elimination. I can't stand him and even I felt bad watching that elimination.
Sucks to suck ig
Assuming you mean Jamieson not Dias I agree lol. Danny Dias (RIP) easily wins worst male competitor. Nick Brown is in that discussion. Tyrie is. **** Isaac should be but people like him for some reason.
Before CT finally won be was at least in the discussion. Fessy has yet to loss an elimination. He's great and yeah he probably talks himself up too much but that's what athletes do.
If we're talking Danny from Austin, I remember at one point, he was called the strongest male on the bada$@es team on Inferno 3. I thought "***?" I always thought he was all talk. Not Danny Diaz or Tyrie bad though. But then on Inferno 3, they thought Rachel was the strongest girl based purely on her having been in the military. ****.
Seeing as you love Jenn, what is your response to her being called a "chubby civilian" by Rachel?
People bringing up Jordans disability is a double edged sword.
If you lose to him it makes him look 10x better but when you beat him its a big conversation about his hand lol. Its ****** up that they gave him pole wrestle but at the same time theyve also given him two hammer eliminations.
The difference is he's been hammering all his life, he's said. He grew up doing construction work.
Thats my point lol they've given him something twice that they know for fact he'll be good at.
Oh yes, I'm with you there! I was mad tbh about the Theo one. Proposing-privilege, I guess and it was better for the storyline. Notice they tried to give Bananas an advantage by giving him and tall, long Theo those little cages to maneuver and he still lost.
Jenn consistently improved from that point IMO much like Paula continually got better but it was funny especially since Rachel lost. Jenn didn't really grow on me until her FM2-Rivals run. She worked her *** off to be in better shape and her political game was spot on.
all facts
the fact that Jordan is a 3 time champion and 8-1 at the time in elimination rounds is completely negated by the fact that they faced off in pole wrestle and 3x champ 8-1 Jordan has one ******* hand against a dude that was again 60 lbs heavier and 6 inches taller. But okay.
yeah I meant Danny from Austin lol. He lost in an exile where luggage weight played a role and him and Ev had heavier weight. Lost to Davis and Adam in agility/speed friendly eliminations. His Darrell loss was straight up. Lost on Fresh Meat 2 because of his partner. And his loss on Seasons was straight up too but it seemed like Wes only showed up for the appearance check.
Of Fessy's 3 elimination wins, Kyle was easily the most similar in height/weight to Fessy.
also the fact that the two hammer eliminations were just that: Swinging a hammer. Neither involved required any physical interaction with your opponent. Pole wrestle does.
Jenn is probably the most overrated female In challenge history next to Ashley M and Tori D. She is the female Fessy. Dead Last in every final she competed in and didn't even finish 2 of her 4 finals. On top of that, she went into 1 elimination in her 3 consecutive finals run. She never really talked a big game like Fessy does tho. Jenn is strong no doubt, but her success is 1000% attributed to friendships she had rather than her getting her hands dirty. So yeah her political game is on point which I give her props for but players like Wes, Johnny, Cara Maria, Laurel, etc get more credit in my eyes because they go into eliminations a lot of the time en route to MOST their wins/finals.
The Laurel/Ninja episode is the only episode I actually enjoyed that season...then Laurel went home and she took the rest of the season and following seasons with her : /
agree with all of this <3. I really did enjoy that season! I wish Camilla wasn't on it...but she made a good underdog storyline that season
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