The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

[QUOTE=r3iKo;227745]I think Johnny is a litter better overall than Derrick.[/QUOTE] :laugh2: [QUOTE=fabulous788;227749]As much as I would love to see Johnny get his *** kicked any day of the week, I really think that Johnny would beat Derrick in a physical one on one elimination. I do agree that Derrick is a better competitor and is definitely a huge part of the JEK alliance, but will probably lose against Johnny, unless it was some sort of puzzle.[/QUOTE] Derrick would beat Johnny unless in the event, size played a huge role(like Derrick's match against Tyler). Johnny is big for nothing, he's not an animal in the least. [B][U]Males[/U][/B] 1.)Mark 2.)CT 3.)Timmy [B][U]Females[/U][/B] 1.)Holly(RR9) 2.)Emily 3.)Holly S Excluding Ev and Laural (because i don't exclude FM) those are the top 3 females competitors all time. And here is proof that the Miz feared Timmy. At 5:36 to 6:11 [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWaD6Legpxw&feature=related]YouTube - RR/RW The Inferno: Grope the Rope Part 3[/url]

[QUOTE=r3iKo;227748]I'm just saying overall, as in other aspects to the game, rather than competitor. Actually now that I think about it, I bet Johnny and Derrick are pretty even in that category. Politically though, Johnny has him beat.[/QUOTE] Derrick did beat Johnny in a physical faceoff on the Island even though I get Johnny messed that up and took his hand off the ring himself, but still Derrick was manhandling him and just flatout outwrestling Johnny before Johnny lost it himself. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm going to actually agree with Superboy and say that if it was an elimination round that weight and size played a huge role in like Back up off me, Pole me over, Push Me, or Reverse Tug of War.... I think Johnny probably wins but in physcal *** kicking elimination games like Handcuffs (Whatever it is officially called), Beach Brawl, Name that Coconut, Pole Wrestle, Ball Brawl, Corner Ball, Ring Wrestle, Back Off, ect I think Derrick beats Johnny pretty easily.

[QUOTE]Derrick did beat Johnny in a physical faceoff on the Island even though I get Johnny messed that up and took his hand off the ring himself, but still Derrick was manhandling him and just flatout outwrestling Johnny before Johnny lost it himself. [/QUOTE] I was going to mention that aswell. If you rewatch that episode on MTV.com, you can clearly see after the match Johnny was really winded while Derrick wasn't too much. If they had gone on longer, Derrick would of won. Also on the Ruins when Johnny nominated himself to go in against Dunbar, Dunbar said that Johnny was the easiest match out of the 4 guys on Champions(the 4 guys being Evan, Derrick, Kenny and Johnny). Johnny did beat Dunbar, but he didn't out muscle him, he just made a really good move.

[QUOTE=Superboy;227762]:laugh2: Derrick would beat Johnny unless in the event, size played a huge role(like Derrick's match against Tyler). Johnny is big for nothing, he's not an animal in the least[/QUOTE] OOooooh I just remembered how hot Dave Mirra was..... :flirt: I'm not one to usually talk best competitors but I have to agree with Superboy. Saying Johnny is overall better than Derrick is hilarious. The only thing Johnny has over Derrick is height, weight, and shadiness.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;227771]The only thing Johnny has over Derrick is height, weight, and shadiness.[/QUOTE] And backpack experience. ;)

Seriously, what has Johnny never done to worthy him a top 20 competitor all time? The only thing he has for him is beating Cohutta on the Island in that cage mission, and defeating Dunbar by making a really good and simple move. But that's NOTHING to put him in the top 20 all time. In what mission did he ever stood out on a challenge he's been on? Now people are going to say he won before.....but the only win he earned was on the Ruins. On the Island, it was of course the alliance that helped him win in the end, not to mention he would of went home if Abram had not have the problem with his company back at home. Please stop overrating people and take the time to analzye and really think things through.

Johnny has performed really well though in the missions this challenge. Probably the best, along with Derrick and Abram.

[QUOTE=Superboy;227775]Seriously, what has Johnny never done to worthy him a top 20 competitor all time? The only thing he has for him is beating Cohutta on the Island in that cage mission, and defeating Dunbar by making a really good and simple move. But that's NOTHING to put him in the top 20 all time. In what mission did he ever stood out on a challenge he's been on? Now people are going to say he won before.....but the only win he earned was on the Ruins. On the Island, it was of course the alliance that helped him win in the end, not to mention he would of went home if Abram had not have the problem with his company back at home. Please stop overrating people and take the time to analzye and really think things through.[/QUOTE] That giraffe mission on Inferno 3. Johnny is easily the best political player, along with Evan and Wes. Please name 20 guys that are better than him.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;227786]That giraffe mission on Inferno 3. Johnny is easily the best political player, along with Evan and Wes. [B]Please name 20 guys that are better than him[/B].[/QUOTE] Being a political player has nothing to do with your ability as a competitor. Mark CT Timmy Dan(RR5) Theo V Landon Alton Miz Darrell Abram Wes Derrick Brad Jamie(RW:New Orleans) Frank Shane James(RR9) Eric(RW1) Adam L Nathan Also competitors like Colin, Antoine, and Christian(RR2) were more impressive on their 1 challenge than Johnny has been on all of his challenges combined.

[QUOTE=Superboy;227787]Being a political player has nothing to do with your ability as a competitor. Mark CT Timmy Dan(RR5) Theo V Landon Alton Miz Darrell Abram Wes Derrick Brad Jamie(RW:New Orleans) Frank Shane James(RR9) Eric(RW1) Adam L Nathan Also competitors like Colin, Antoine, and Christian(RR2) were more impressive on their 1 challenge than Johnny has been on all of his challenges combined.[/QUOTE] Shane? Really? Half the people you named are as good as Johnny. Adam, Eric, Frank, Brad, Nathan, Dan, and maybe even Theo. What has Johnny done that was so horribly bad? He was the leader on the Blue team, and did the best throughout a majority of all their challenges. Your just as bad as the Wes haters.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;227788]Shane? Really? Half the people you named are as good as Johnny. Adam, Eric, Frank, Brad, Nathan, Dan, and maybe even Theo. What has Johnny done that was so horribly bad? He was the leader on the Blue team, and did the best throughout a majority of all their challenges. Your just as bad as the Wes haters.[/QUOTE] Shane was a better overall competitor than Johnny. He made it far on both BOTS(check it out on Wiki), was really strong on the Inferno 1 and the sole reason Campus Crawl beat South Pacific in the faceoff on that season. Shane had the potential to be a top competitor, Johnny doesn't. Also, when Shane lost to CT on the Inferno, Kendal said in the confessional "you didn't lose, thats like seeing Superman crumble".....did anybody ever give Johnny that type of praise after he lost???? And the only guys i mentioned who may be as good as Johnny are Nathan, Eric, and Frank. Dan and Theo were far above Johnny, they were better overall competitors than Miz and Alton. Derrick was the leader of the blue team, and their best competitor, Johnny was just more outspoken. And you say what has Johnny done that was "horribly bad"? What has he done that was horribly good?

Well, he won 2 challenges for example

[QUOTE=DerrickFTW;227791]Well, he won 2 challenges for example[/QUOTE] Again, the only challenge win he earned was on the Ruins. Which wasn't impressive because the challengers didn't have any top competitor besides Brad. He beat Dunbar, but only because he outsmarted him. On the Island, it was his alliance that led to his victory, and the fact that Abram had to go home. Just because you win a challenge, doesn't mean you're a good competitor because there is something called alliances, inferior teams, and luck.

[QUOTE=Superboy;227789]Shane was a better overall competitor than Johnny. He made it far on both BOTS(check it out on Wiki), was really strong on the Inferno 1 and the sole reason Campus Crawl beat South Pacific in the faceoff on that season. Shane had the potential to be a top competitor, Johnny doesn't. Also, when Shane lost to CT on the Inferno, Kendal said in the confessional "you didn't lose, thats like seeing Superman crumble".....did anybody ever give Johnny that type of praise after he lost???? And the only guys i mentioned who may be as good as Johnny are Nathan, Eric, and Frank. Dan and Theo were far above Johnny, they were better overall competitor than Miz and Alton. Derrick was the leader of the blue team, and their best competitor, Johnny was just more outspoken. And you say what has Johnny done that was "horribly bad"? What has he done that was horribly good?[/QUOTE] Well according to Abram, who was on Cutthroat and saw their performance in an unedited way says JB and Derric were the best competitors there..so I'm taking his word for it over yours :)

[QUOTE=Entropy;227793]Well according to Abram, who was on Cutthroat and saw their performance in an unedited way says JB and Derric were the best competitors there..so I'm taking his word for it over yours :)[/QUOTE] And that's why they made to the final mission right? Oh wait..... If Johnny did a challenge like the BOTS, and their was a scoreboard, i bet he wouldn't make to the final 5 even(unless the challenge had a lot of bottom competitors). Johnny is in the 20's when it comes to ranking competitors, anyone who says otherwise is either baised, or ignorant of past competitors, or both.

[QUOTE=cystic;227772]And backpack experience. ;)[/QUOTE] ROFL!!!!!!! Oh yeah, he can definitely boast about that one. :P [QUOTE=r3iKo;227788]Shane? Really? Half the people you named are as good as Johnny. Adam, Eric, Frank, Brad, Nathan, Dan, and maybe even Theo. What has Johnny done that was so horribly bad? He was the leader on the Blue team, and did the best throughout a majority of all their challenges. Your just as bad as the Wes haters.[/QUOTE] Johnny IMO is no where close to Theo. [QUOTE=DerrickFTW;227791]Well, he won 2 challenges for example[/QUOTE] Yeah well other people have won challenges without being that strong. Says nothing IMO. [QUOTE=Entropy;227793]Well according to Abram, who was on Cutthroat and saw their performance in an unedited way says JB and Derric were the best competitors there..so I'm taking his word for it over yours :)[/QUOTE] I think I know what the problem is here ( I am agreeing with Superboy). Among lower tier competitors, Johnny looks like the best. In Cutthroat, he was considered one of the top competitors there. However, going through challenge history, Johnny is nowhere close and cannot compare with the top competitors. He's average compared to all the historic names. Among recent challengers, he's a bit over average. Among average competitors, he'd shine any day. He can hold his own most times, and perform well enough in missions, but Johnny isn't an outstanding competitor people.

[quote]i think i know what the problem is here ( i am agreeing with superboy). Among lower tier competitors, johnny looks like the best. In cutthroat, he was considered one of the top competitors there. However, going through challenge history, johnny is nowhere close and cannot compare with the top competitors. He's average compared to all the historic names. Among recent challengers, he's a bit over average. Among average competitors, he'd shine any day. He can hold his own most times, and perform well enough in missions, but johnny isn't an outstanding competitor people[/quote] Flawless Victory!!!

Here's my insight on Johnny. Honestly I think people underestimate him. I didn't like him at first when he appeared on The Duel and hated him even more starting on The Island, but I'm starting to like him now. His comments in the reunion for Cutthroat were hilarious. He's smart and knows how to play the game. It's weird because when he was a "good guy" he didn't do so well on challenges, aside from Inferno 3, which he did do fairly well in. I believe he won 2 life-shields competing with people like Alton and Timmy. I think that people think of him as not that good of a competitor because he went home early on 2 of his first 3 challenges. I Can was just stupid and pure luck and people were helping Evan on Sliders. He also physically looks like a bad competitor (at least to me he did when he first started doing challenges). It's like the opposite of people like Danny how he looks like he can compete but just sucks. Johnny figured out the game, and that's why he's considered shady. It's funny because his personality completely changed after he got screwed over on The Gauntlet 3 by Evan. That was his second time getting screwed over, the first being by Tyler on The Duel. He was probably one of the nicest guys and all I remember is that he tried to comfort Davis after he got punched and him and Casey had their fling. The Island is when it changed. When he started calling girl's the b-word and playing dirty (even though he didn't technically play dirty, he was just an *** hole.) He didn't screw Paula over, as she claims, and kept his word with Evelyn. On The Ruins he earned his spot by beating Dunbar. And according to Abram he was one of the better competitors on Cutthroat. And so what if he got owned by CT. Brad got owned by CT too but I'm sure that people don't put Brad as low as Johnny.

It's hard to compare competitors that haven't done a challenge together. Comparing Johnny vs Derrick in only the competitive standpoint I'd have to say Derrick would win. Both perform well in missions but when it comes to 1v1s, Derrick has more experience, gas, and natural ability.

[QUOTE] And according to Abram he was one of the better competitors on Cutthroat. [/QUOTE] Again, Brad, Abram and Derrick were the only top competitors there. Johnny did do fairly well in the missions, and can hold his own in missions in general, but there were still PLENTY of better competitors than him. [QUOTE]And so what if he got owned by CT. Brad got owned by CT too but I'm sure that people don't put Brad as low as Johnny.[/QUOTE] Brad is a much better competitor than Johnny as he has a way better track record. That is a fact. [B]Brad's track record:[/B] -Made it really far on his first challenge the BOTS 2, which was a hard challenge, and should of made it further than Eric, who only made it to the end because of his alliance with Dan and Mark. -On the Duel 1, he defeated CT in the Roller Derby mission , defeated Eric and made it far. -On the Gauntlet 3, he made it to the final mission, while Johnny didn't. -On the Duel 2, he defeated MJ and Landon back to back and was seconds from winning the final. [B]Johnny's track record:[/B] -Performed well on the Inferno 3 and won 2 lifesavers -Defeated Cohutta in a face off along with Derrick(though Derrick was helping Johnny) -Defeated Dunbar on the Ruins You see, Brad is much better than Johnny.

Superboy, to be fair, as far as missions go, Brad did squat. That doesn't make him worse then Johnny but he didn't show any reason to be better then Johnny, this time around at least.

[QUOTE=LakersFan2;227805]Here's my insight on Johnny. Honestly I think people underestimate him. I didn't like him at first when he appeared on The Duel and hated him even more starting on The Island, but I'm starting to like him now. His comments in the reunion for Cutthroat were hilarious. He's smart and knows how to play the game. It's weird because when he was a "good guy" he didn't do so well on challenges, aside from Inferno 3, which he did do fairly well in. I believe he won 2 life-shields competing with people like Alton and Timmy. I think that people think of him as not that good of a competitor because he went home early on 2 of his first 3 challenges. I Can was just stupid and pure luck and people were helping Evan on Sliders. He also physically looks like a bad competitor (at least to me he did when he first started doing challenges). It's like the opposite of people like Danny how he looks like he can compete but just sucks. Johnny figured out the game, and that's why he's considered shady. It's funny because his personality completely changed after he got screwed over on The Gauntlet 3 by Evan. That was his second time getting screwed over, the first being by Tyler on The Duel. He was probably one of the nicest guys and all I remember is that he tried to comfort Davis after he got punched and him and Casey had their fling. The Island is when it changed. When he started calling girl's the b-word and playing dirty (even though he didn't technically play dirty, he was just an *** hole.) He didn't screw Paula over, as she claims, and kept his word with Evelyn. On The Ruins he earned his spot by beating Dunbar. And according to Abram he was one of the better competitors on Cutthroat. And so what if he got owned by CT. Brad got owned by CT too but I'm sure that people don't put Brad as low as Johnny.[/QUOTE] Here's my thing about Johnny. I don't hate him, he has some funny comments, but dude, stop it. 1) You didn't "figure out the game." These challenges are ever changing. Plus if he had figured it out, he would have won Cutthroat. 2) Johnny is not a horrible competitor, but as much as you try to give credit to his wins, it takes away from his credibility as a competitor because he's never won without his "crew." The challenges he won was because he had his "boys" with him. Kenny did well without his crew (2nd in FM2), Evan did well without the crew (1st in Duel2), but it seems like Johnny cannot deliver, history shows that. As I said, I don't think Johnny is a horrible competitor, but he has to prove he can stand on his own and compete to show me he's better than average. Yeah yeah, I get it, "he did ok on his challenges," and "he won 2 challenges (or 3)" and "he only did bad on 2 challenges," yeah well put it in a ratio, it's still not an awesome score and to add that his friends were on the challenges he won, that makes his statistics look worse. Plus, he says people hate him for "figuring out the game," Darell's won more than his, so if anyone has "figured out the game" it'd be Darell over him. But as I said, IMO, no one can fully figure it out, you come with strength, brains and politics and hope for the best.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;227812]Kenny did well without his crew (2nd in FM2), Evan did well without the crew (1st in Duel2).[/QUOTE] Evan had a crew, Brad and Mark, and they used Landon. Kenny had a crew (of alums), Jillian, Paula, Sarah, and half of Jenn and Ryan and would have had Darrell if he hadn't thrown him in first.

[QUOTE=faceless;227813]Evan had a crew, Brad and Mark, and they used Landon. Kenny had a crew (of alums), Jillian, Paula, Sarah, and half of Jenn and Ryan and would have had Darrell if he hadn't thrown him in first.[/QUOTE] Ha! I'd hardly say Evan had a crew in Duel 2. He got thrown in quite a bit, but manipulated people enough in the last round to send Landon in, which in turn would help all 3 of them. Kenny built his crew. He didnt have friends on this who had his back per say. Jillian and Pete were stuck between the middle and because Kenny and Laurel performed well and they weren't in Wes' alliance, they joined Kenny and Laurel. I'd hardly call Jenn and Ryan a part. I personally gave Kenny props for that challenge because he didn't have anyone who would save him or watch out for him and make sure he didn't go into the exile. Actually, he had Paula and Sarah at first, but he didn't have numbers or the surety of being saved. He worked, and gained some respect, and because of that, converted people to his side. Way different than what Johnny did IMO. Johnny knew he didn't get sent into any Ruins because his friends were there, not because he proved himself. Heck, Wes was the scapegoat because he was anti-JEKD. Johnny only went in (against Dunbar) because I personally think he's the expendable one, and the weakest of the 4, which brings me back to my point about Johnny being average among better competitors.

[QUOTE=faceless;227811]Superboy, to be fair, as far as missions go, Brad did squat. That doesn't make him worse then Johnny but he didn't show any reason to be better then Johnny, this time around at least.[/QUOTE] Brad is better than Johnny overall, the missions on Cut Throat were few, and didn't really show off individual strength and skill. And again, Brad performed really well on the BOTS 2, his first challenge and one of the hardest, if not the hardest challenge to make it to the end of if you were a male because there was no score board. Miz and Abram got out early and the were better competitors than most of the guys there. Brad should of been the last guy out of the final 3, he was better than Eric and Theo and the rest of the guys knew it. Also, Dunbar called Johnny the easiest match up out of Evan, Derrick, Kenny, and Johnny on the Ruins.

Can we all stop using this "Abram said this and Abram said that, so I'll take his word for it" stuff ?? Keep in mind this is the same Abram who ranks Derrick his number one all time competitor over guys like Landon, Alton, CT, Darrell, ect.... enough said. When I read that on Abram's formspring I thought, "Wow, this guy has officially lost it." I mean, Derrick is a **** of a competitor and is in MY top 10 but saying Derrick's better than those guys I mentioned above is a flatout joke.

Btw Superboy comparing the Challenges of old to the current ones is kinda pointless, the older Challenges were bit more fun (ice cream eating, going up a hill dressed as a sumo, catching meat with a bucket on your head, packing a car full of luggage) compared to the current ones. Back then out of 16 challenges, about 8 were hardcore and the rest were fun, on current challenges its more hardcore with a fun one thrown into the mix. Since Justin Booth came along Challenges concentrate more on athletics than they used too. Its like comparing the NBA without a shotclock and 3 point line, with the NBA with a shotclock and 3 point line, it is vastly different. But hey you are close minded in your views and arguing with you is pointless.

[QUOTE=Entropy;227827]Btw Superboy comparing the Challenges of old to the current ones is kinda pointless, the older Challenges were bit more fun (ice cream eating, going up a hill dressed as a sumo, catching meat with a bucket on your head, packing a car full of luggage) compared to the current ones. Back then out of 16 challenges, about 8 were hardcore and the rest were fun, on current challenges its more hardcore with a fun one thrown into the mix. Since Justin Booth came along Challenges concentrate more on athletics than they used too. Its like comparing the NBA without a shotclock and 3 point line, with the NBA with a shotclock and 3 point line, it is vastly different. But hey you are close minded in your views and arguing with you is pointless.[/QUOTE] The current challenges are more physical, but older competitors like Mark, Theo, Dan(RR5), and etc.... performed well in the physical challenges back then that are no different now. [QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;227825]Can we all stop using this "Abram said this and Abram said that, so I'll take his word for it" stuff ?? Keep in mind this is the same Abram who ranks Derrick his number one all time competitor over guys like Landon, Alton, CT, Darrell, ect.... enough said. When I read that on Abram's formspring I thought, "Wow, this guy has officially lost it." I mean, Derrick is a **** of a competitor and is in MY top 10 but saying Derrick's better than those guys I mentioned above is a flatout joke.[/QUOTE] Finally i agree with YOU on something.

I think at this point in his "challenge career", Johnny can be considered as an above average player. I do agree that on Cutthroat, there were not many top tier competitors, but it's still impressive if you can keep up with guys like Derrick and Abram and outperform all the other guys. Like many said, Johnny sucked on Duel 1 and Gauntlet 3, but I think he did fine on Inferno III, the Island, the Ruins and good on Cutthroat. And @ Superboy: to say that Johnny can only win with his crew is a bit weird, because most of the time the competitors that are in the end(and win) are people who are friends and stick together for the entire challenge. The only reason why you call DEK Johnny's "crew", is because they are friends outside of the shows as well.

[QUOTE=DerrickFTW;227836]I think at this point in his "challenge career", Johnny can be considered as an above average player. I do agree that on Cutthroat, there were not many top tier competitors, but it's still impressive if you can keep up with guys like Derrick and Abram and outperform all the other guys. Like many said, Johnny sucked on Duel 1 and Gauntlet 3, but I think he did fine on Inferno III, the Island, the Ruins and good on Cutthroat. And @ Superboy: to say that Johnny can only win with his crew is a bit weird, because most of the time the competitors that are in the end(and win) are people who are friends and stick together for the entire challenge. The only reason why you call DEK Johnny's "crew", is because they are friends outside of the shows as well.[/QUOTE] Actually I said that and I backed it up with proof of Evan winning and Kenny winning when they didn't have each other. Johnny didn't do that yet. When he did and proves himself a great competitor, I'd admit that, until then, I'm just stating facts. Oh, and to me, Johnny didn't even stand out in the challenges where he had his friends. I can't remember what he did on the Ruins honestly, except take out Dunbar.