Why do people think Jenn and Mandi were stretch rivals? Am I the only one who remembers Jenn hitting Mandi on FM2 and calling her horsefaced and Tori Spelling Reject?
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;340372]To leave my 2 cents on rivalries, I'd definitely be more invested in a personal feud than a strictly competition one. Look at CT/Adam.[/QUOTE]
And imo so would 99% of the audience, its not the Olympics, this is trash tv so ppl watch mainly for the drama and the competition part decides whose the winner.But as far as ratings go you definitely need some yelling and screaming and forcing ppl to work with awkward situations
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;340372]To leave my 2 cents on rivalries, I'd definitely be more invested in a personal feud than a strictly competition one. Look at CT/Adam.[/QUOTE]
That's fine but let's not pretend that is the definition of "a rival"
People can want to see whatever they want, that's all personal opinion, but MTV is reaching significantly with their definition and not everyone watches for drama. Some people prefer competition--not made up BS
[QUOTE=Lola88;340373]Why do people think Jenn and Mandi were stretch rivals? Am I the only one who remembers Jenn hitting Mandi on FM2 and calling her horsefaced and Tori Spelling Reject?[/QUOTE]
because the rivalry ended 5 minutes later and didnt last the entire show and they were friends for the rest of the show. It still made a good scene in the promo though. I really liked the smoke promo, a lot of was bs rivals but the commercial looked good with all the yelling, dont think they can make another one that good cause the themes are so weak lately.
I'm not saying it's not Rivals but it would be dumb. The original only worked because of the teams and cast as a whole JEK/CT/Wes are some of the more popular players. CT, Johnny, Kenny and Evan were on different teams adding to the drama. To break it down even more Kenny/Wes and CT/Adam had some of the more famous MTV moments, especially the CT/Adam fight. Between all those things it was a recipe for success, NONE of the teams being speculated equal 1/50th of the fun those teams brought. The cast itself missing 2 of the most popular players makes it weaker as well. Too much credit is being given to the "Rivals" format for "saving the show" rather than the perfect cast and teams presented.
Since the cast isn't as strong rivalry wise teams need to be made to capture some of that magic. A rookie with a vet pairing could do that, just like larger teams can present more conflict as well..It'd be a stupid ratings decision for another Rivals, a blind person could see that but who knows what MTV wants
[QUOTE=TheCloser;340377]Dunbar and Leroy would not work because Dunbar never threw Leroy in.[/QUOTE]
Plus, Tyler was rumoured to be a part of the cast and his rival would have clearly be Leroy and cutting Tyler and not Leroy wouldn't make sense.
[QUOTE=Snake19;340378]Since the cast isn't as strong rivalry wise teams need to be made to capture some of that magic. A rookie with a vet pairing could do that, just like larger teams can present more conflict as well..It'd be a stupid ratings decision for another Rivals, a blind person could see that but who knows what MTV wants[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, so right, I'm creaming my pants right now at the thought of Paula paired with Naomi. Golden TV.
[QUOTE=Lola88;340379]It's not rookie and vets in pairings or teams. Idk how many times people have to say that, but there are obviously [B]m[B]ore vets than there are rookies[/B][/B].[/QUOTE]
That's not really a criteria. BMP/MTV can everyhing build it the way they want it for exemple Mike Mike was a rival for Leroy or Camilla being part of the Fresh meat team.
Ahhh..I want to know another elimination.
[QUOTE=Lola88;340379]It's not rookie and vets in pairings or teams. Idk how many times people have to say that, but there are obviously more vets than there are rookies.[/QUOTE]
If you're talking to me it was a random spew of formats. It could be a bad *** and a good guy pairing, it could be a Duel 3. I'm just saying there's bickering over Rivals when it would be a silly format to use with this cast especially in comparison with the first. It could even be battle of the sexes, but some of these Rival teams they wouldn't even be able to explain if someone sneezed on the other person. Leroy/Dunbar are partners how? Did Leroy once **** near Dunbar? Like I said before at least let's find out it's even a PAIRS challenge before making some of these stretches and the fighting over them. Even Exes is starting to look viable with some of the pairings being thrown out
[QUOTE=GDInstall;340380]Plus, Tyler was rumoured to be a part of the cast and his rival would have clearly be Leroy and cutting Tyler and not Leroy wouldn't make sense.[/QUOTE]
If it was rivals, what makes everyone think we would know more than the cast itself? Paula clearly did not state anything about rivals, but believed to be rookies vs veterans. I don't think Johnny would go to a challenge knowing that Tyrie or Dunbar is going to be his partner without Kenny or Evan there. Also he has to back his twitter comments on bashing last seasons competitors. I think the cast that makes the most sense is Battle of the sexes with new rules.
[QUOTE=ILoveRW;340381]Oh yeah, so right, I'm creaming my pants right now at the thought of Paula paired with Naomi. Golden TV.[/QUOTE]
lol I think MTV is just running out of ideas, rivals 1 just fell in their laps and it took them long enough to come up with that, they wasted a ton of time doing a wes vs Kenny thing on fm2. If rivals was done right after duel 2 it would have been perfect, not years later when everyone buried the hatchet well besides CT/Adam. I would have loved to see Kenny/Wes beef when it was fresh, some of the other rivalries wouldnt have existed yet but maybe some old school cast members could have been on it.
[QUOTE=Snake19;340383]If you're talking to me it was a random spew of formats. It could be a bad *** and a good guy pairing, it could be a Duel 3. I'm just saying there's bickering over Rivals when it would be a silly format to use with this cast especially in comparison with the first. It could even be battle of the sexes, but some of these Rival teams they wouldn't even be able to explain if someone sneezed on the other person. Leroy/Dunbar are partners how? Did Leroy once **** near Dunbar? Like I said before at least let's find out it's even a PAIRS challenge before making some of these stretches and the fighting over them.[B] Even Exes is starting to look viable with some of the pairings being thrown out[/B][/QUOTE]
Didnt molds say its looking like its most likely partners, and I doubt its exes, they cant reuse the same exes as last time. Lmao if its exes Tyler/Wes could be the gay one and they could have shown that scene of them ******* on the couch. rivals or rookie/vet is the only partner thing I can think of
Molds is it definitely not a 2 team type challenge?
[QUOTE=TheCloser;340384]If it was rivals, what makes everyone think we would know more than the cast itself? Paula clearly did not state anything about rivals, but [B]believed[/B] to be rookies vs veterans. I don't think Johnny would go to a challenge knowing that Tyrie or Dunbar is going to be his partner without Kenny or Evan there. Also he has to back his twitter comments on bashing last seasons competitors. I think the cast that makes the most sense is Battle of the sexes with new rules.[/QUOTE]
I brought Tyler in, because his cutting wouldn't make sense if it was Rivals 2 since he and Leroy would clearly be a pair.
[QUOTE=GDInstall;340387]I brought Tyler in, because his cutting wouldn't make sense if it was Rivals 2 since he and Leroy would clearly be a pair.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, it was for everyone else who are sold on rivals 2.
How do y'all know that Tyler didnt drop out himself?
And the pairings of potential rivals are too coincidental. To rule out Rivals as a possibility would be dumb.
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;340278]I think she would crack skulls with Johnny really easily because she hates being disrespected even accidentally or in a minor fashion (just witness her blow up with Jordan) and Bananas' fav saying is: "Ya dumb *****!"
Not sure about Jessica yet but I know [B]I would have loved to see Joi[/B] on it and I know she would absolutely do a Challenge.[/QUOTE]
I don't watch the Real World, but the other night I was flipping through channels and caught RW: Portland and watched the second episode and not once did Joi even have one confessional or was she even shown on the TV.
[QUOTE=Lola88;340390]How do y'all know that Tyler didnt drop out himself?
And the pairings of potential rivals are too coincidental. To rule out Rivals as a possibility would be dumb.[/QUOTE]
Tyler's tweet regarding not going read like he was surprised, not that he didn't want to. Potential rivals also doesn't make Rivals a viable format, every season has rivals on it, that's the point of a show about drama? If everyone was friends there wouldn't be a challenge, rivalries play a key part in the shows ALWAYS, that doesn't mean the format needs to outright be Rivals
Btw I was joking about exes before to anyone who thought I was serious, that's just as silly as Rivals
[QUOTE=Lola88;340390]How do y'all know that Tyler didnt drop out himself?
And the pairings of potential rivals are too coincidental. To rule out Rivals as a possibility would be dumb.[/QUOTE]
Tyler didn't drop himself out because he was bitter about being dropped at the last minute.
[QUOTE=greenmonster;340289][B]Why is everyone ruling out the Duel 3?[/B] The Duel 1 had a 20 person cast and the Duel 2 was increased by 6 to 26. It wouldn't be completly crazy if the Duel 3 cast was again increased by 6 to a 32 member cast. As for the eliminations, if there really is a social media ban (with the exception of Portland people), then it's not weird that no guys have shown up on social media yet. There could be a twist in this season's rules that gets rid of more people faster to make up for the increase in cast size.[/QUOTE]
They would not waste a Duel 3 with this god awful cast when people like Mark, Darrell, Evelyn, Laurel, and other challenge greats have said that they would only come back for a Duel. If thats the case then why are none of these people on here. You really think they would do a Duel 3 with people like Naomi, Jemmye, Jasmine, Derek, Preston, Trey, Danny, and Tyrie instead of the people like the ones I mentioned? Don't think so.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;340393]Tyler didn't drop himself out because he was bitter about being dropped at the last minute.[/QUOTE]
Says? You really think they'd rather have Derek over Tyler if it wasn't a theme issue.
[QUOTE=Lola88;340390]How do y'all know that Tyler didnt drop out himself?
And the pairings of potential rivals are too coincidental. To rule out Rivals as a possibility would be dumb.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying rule out rivals, but don't focus so much on it. So far we are speculating Rivals, Battle of the sexes (I'm surprised people are ignoring this possibility) and possibly but least likely rookies vs veterans two team style but very possible pairs of vets and rookies. Any other ideas? New format ideas?
[QUOTE=ILoveRW;340303[B]]Maybe Jenn is returning[/B]! Although I'm sure if they could have got Cara and Jenn then they would have been a team in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I certainly hope not.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;340396]I'm not saying rule out rivals, but don't focus so much on it. So far we are speculating Rivals, Battle of the sexes (I'm surprised people are ignoring this possibility) and possibly but least likely rookies vs veterans two team style but very possible pairs of vets and rookies. Any other ideas? New format ideas?[/QUOTE]
Well it's 100% not rookies vs/& veterans. It could be Sexes, but you can't ignore the fact that Ana and Jessica popped up at the same time + the potential rivalry pairs.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;340398]Says Tyler's twitter...[/QUOTE]
Screenshot of him saying they cut me from the challenge or it didnt happen and it's pure assumption.
Is it 100% not Old School vs New School? It's a "different format" from Vets vs Rookies in name, but it would be a non-specific team criteria to help split possible vet/rookie conflicts
[QUOTE=Snake19;340401]Is it 100% not Old School vs New School? It's a "different format" from Vets vs Rookies in name, but it would be a non-specific team criteria to help split possible vet/rookie conflicts[/QUOTE]
If you can find the cutoff then it becomes a possibility but nothing seems to work.
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