A Big Brother vs Survivor USA3 just makes sense. Run through as many promising prospects as you can (hopefully 2 teams of 14). See how many rise to the top, get some new champs, and then you've got hopefully 10-15 promising USA3 contestants ready for 41.
Sorry but why in the world would they want 10-15 rookies on 41?
The whole point is to find a group of fresh faces ages 25-30 that can carry the show past the next couple of years...
No its not...you can't throw that many new people in with a smaller cast if you want the show to survive. Let's stop pretending young people from Survivor and BB are magically going to be the face of the show. We've basically gotten Josh Fessy Michele Kyland and Kaycee from CBS and this isn't something they just started doing.
KVM, exactly half of the cast of Battle of the Eras is 38 years old or older. Bodies start to break down. The vast majority of these people might do another All Stars or two, but then they're basically done after the next couple of years. For example, a Darrell might come back three or four years from now, but it's over for him. His athletic prime is over. CT, Leroy, more people I can name that are not going to be on here (past the first couple of weeks) in a season in 2026, 27, etc. Wes is done. Jordan seems sick of it. Bananas is here for the check.
Tom Brady was an outlier freak of nature who made it to 45 and even he hung it up. Even with the best doctors and personal trainers that money can buy. Father time comes for everyone.
And then you've got the younger cast like Nurys and Horacio talking about children.
You keep saying "ride it out with what you've got". But if what you got doesn't get you past another couple of seasons? That's just horrible planning. The rookie retention in Era 4 is absymal. Not a single international rookie outside of Zaza and maybe Berna will be back. And most of Eras 1 and 2 are cooked, competitively.
And ****, most of Eras 3 and 4 are 33 to 38 years old. You have to get a decent rookie class going now before all the vets retire from the flagship and every season from now until cancellation looks like Season 39.
KVM, exactly half of the cast of Battle of the Eras is 38 years old or older. Bodies start to break down. The vast majority of these people might do another All Stars or two, but then they're basically done after the next couple of years. For example, a Darrell might come back three or four years from now, but it's over for him. His athletic prime is over. CT, Leroy, more people I can name that are not going to be on here (past the first couple of weeks) in a season in 2026, 27, etc.
Tom Brady was an outlier freak of nature who made it to 45 and even he hung it up. Even with the best doctors and personal trainers that money can buy. Father time comes for everyone.
And then you've got the younger cast like Nurys and Horacio talking about children.
You keep saying "ride it out with what you've got". But if what you got doesn't get you past another couple of seasons? That's just horrible planning. The rookie retention in Era 4 is absymal. Not a single international rookie outside of Zaza and maybe Berna will be back. And most of Eras 1 and 2 are cooked, competitively.
And ****, most of Eras 3 and 4 are 33 to 38 years old. You have to get a decent rookie class going now before all the vets retire from the flagship and every season from now until cancellation looks like 39.
This isn't the NFL--they don't have to be in their prime for this. You can add some people but this show isn't going to have another 40 seasons. You have the core and they'll run it out. No season should ever look like 39--they still needed the vets to be on for most of the season to get anyone interested.
Why do you believe retention will suddenly approve? It's illogical. I'm all for younger people but it's not going to work at this point. They literally add almost no one of value and the only person that seems to want to continue is Olivia who apparently everyone hates. The show works with the vets better than randoms.
The fact anyone thinks on a small cast next year that 10-15 rookies is going to be a good idea is laughable. It just means they have to figure out a way to keep Tori there all season and whatever other vets join her.
Guys. I'm absolutely fine with the oldies coming back over and over again. I hope All Stars does 15 seasons. It's just that it's going to get progressively harder to fill out a Flagship 12 week season with the few of these people that can still compete. Emily, Aviv, Jodi, Rachel, Kellyanne. These people have lives. They'll be back here and there, but they are not lifers. Aneesa should've been dropped years ago. Darrell and Leroy are cooked.
If USA3 exists and it's conceivably the last season of it, then I want it filled with 20 to 28 promising rookies (you can throw some USA1 & 2 vets if you wish: i.e. ANGELA and CASSIDY plzzz) that show franchise carrying potential. The prospects are there. Maybe not 20 to 28, but 10 to 15 for sure. Make them prove it.
I hope they realize that they would have a better job at trying to find a 'new generation' if they made the seasons more enjoyable for the cast. unlimited alcohol, mansions, good food, and challenges that don't land you in the ER or have you miserable in extreme cold/heat. but honestly, i don't think there will ever be a new set of people that will be dedicated to this for the next 10-20 years. those days are gone and we'll probably be rotating 'eras' of people that will do it for maybe like 5-10 seasons at most and then dip, and it'll be like that until the show ends.
how expensive is the a season to produce anyways? i feel like as far as reality tv goes, this is one of the more pricey ones. do they still even make good profit from this series anymore
USA3 Cutthroat: Survivor vs Big Brother vs Amazing Race:
Team Amazing Race
Juan AR36
Yeremi AR35
Cory AR35
Anthony AR33
Ray AR33
Frank AR32
Kishori AR36
Anna Leigh AR35
Lena AR35
Sharik AR34
Kaylyn AR32
Dessie AR30
Big Brother
Zach BB16
Brett BB20
Joseph BB24
Matt BB26
Cedric BB26
Tucker BB26
Haleigh BB20
Hannah BB23
Alyssa BB23
Taylor BB24
Kirsten BB25
Reilly BB25
Survivor
Cole S35
Michael S36
Alec S37
Aaron S39
Kaleb S45
Q S46
Ali S35
Angelina S37
Lauren S38
Sydney S41
Dee S45
Venus S46
I appreciate the effort OS! IMO, I'd love three teams but they'd never do 36 castmembers on a spinoff. So it'd sadly probably be 30 or 24, which means we'd lose Survivor players for more Amazing Race players than we'd ever want. That tradeoff is too great for me.
KVM, exactly half of the cast of Battle of the Eras is 38 years old or older. Bodies start to break down. The vast majority of these people might do another All Stars or two, but then they're basically done after the next couple of years. For example, a Darrell might come back three or four years from now, but it's over for him. His athletic prime is over. CT, Leroy, more people I can name that are not going to be on here (past the first couple of weeks) in a season in 2026, 27, etc.
Tom Brady was an outlier freak of nature who made it to 45 and even he hung it up. Even with the best doctors and personal trainers that money can buy. Father time comes for everyone.
And then you've got the younger cast like Nurys and Horacio talking about children.
You keep saying "ride it out with what you've got". But if what you got doesn't get you past another couple of seasons? That's just horrible planning. The rookie retention in Era 4 is absymal. Not a single international rookie outside of Zaza and maybe Berna will be back. And most of Eras 1 and 2 are cooked, competitively.
And ****, most of Eras 3 and 4 are 33 to 38 years old. You have to get a decent rookie class going now before all the vets retire from the flagship and every season from now until cancellation looks like 39.
This isn't the NFL--they don't have to be in their prime for this. You can add some people but this show isn't going to have another 40 seasons. You have the core and they'll run it out. No season should ever look like 39--they still needed the vets to be on for most of the season to get anyone interested.
Why do you believe retention will suddenly approve? It's illogical. I'm all for younger people but it's not going to work at this point. They literally add almost no one of value and the only person that seems to want to continue is Olivia who apparently everyone hates. The show works with the vets better than randoms.
The fact anyone thinks on a small cast next year that 10-15 rookies is going to be a good idea is laughable. It just means they have to figure out a way to keep Tori there all season and whatever other vets join her.
If production is reading this, here to push casting from Bravo's Below Deck.
Yesssss! So many I'd love to see on. And they wouldn't come with the politicking of Survivor and BB people. Like old school rookies
All on this! Plus none of them are particularly famous so they would be a lot cheaper and easier to cast than Love Island rookies. They're already young, athletic, messy, and semi-hot. What are you waiting for MTV! Get that Bravo audience!
Guys they will never do a Fresh Meat again. They will never put 14-16 unproven reality tv personalities with absolutely no following whatsoever on the same season again. If the show was on stronger footing, sure. But it's not.
37, 38, spinoffs, and USA1 casting was such trash on a future prospects potential that it's hard to quantify. 98% of the internationals flopped and they picked such odd picks on USA1 for the Survivor people (like who truly expected Dom or Tasha or Ben or Sarah or even Tyson to stick around - all in their 40's) and most of the young people were Love Island girls that hated it or Love Island boys that were boring.
But I think there's objectively 20 young, attractive, athletic and solid reality tv personalites from CBS (most from Survivor, some from Big Brother) that could debut on this and stick around for 5+ years. And there's obviously some that have already debuted on spinoffs that could become staples (Cassidy, Angela R, Desi, Chris U, Zaza from UK, Grant and Kiki from WC).
If you look at the 3 "fresh meat" brought on Ride or Dies I would say Moriah, Ravyn, and Chauncey were flops on their first seasons. Ravyn has shown potential and Moriah is...alright.
Moriah, Ravyn, and even useless Chauncey are still better than 90% of the CBS/Internationals. Why can't unproven, true fresh meat who've never been on reality work again, when Big Brother and Survivor are able to find people? Y'all keep saying this but every other show manages to cast people while the Challenge just scrapes from the bottom of the barrel of CBS people and dating shows.
Moriah, Ravyn, and even useless Chauncey are still better than 90% of the CBS/Internationals. Why can't unproven, true fresh meat who've never been on reality work, when Big Brother and Survivor are able to find people? Y'all keep saying this but every other show manages to cast people while the Challenge just scrapes from the bottom of the barrel of CBS people and dating shows.
The Challenge likely has a much lower budget-to-viewership ratio than Bravo shows or the bigger reality tv competitions like Survivor and Big Brother.
They absolutely cannot afford a season like Bloodlines where the 15 rookies are like 12 duds and 3 with some potential but every single one is off the show in under 3 years. It's disastrous enough that it could cause cancellation. 37 was disastrous enough with the 50% rookie class that has by and large completely disappeared or the USA's casting which seems like to have a less than 10% retention rate.
You need to do an objective deep dive on reality television and pull out a minimum of 10 personalities that can anchor the show for the next 3 years. The next 3 years is when all of the Era 1 and 2 vets hang it up, because 90% of them will or should.
Personally, I think the producers realize that they've objectively failed in developing personalites in the last 10 seasons and spinoffs and need to course correct before you have a legitimacy crisis of oldheads showing up for the check and throwing eliminations to go home on the regular.
This, no need for amazing race
Sorry but why in the world would they want 10-15 rookies on 41?
The whole point is to find a group of fresh faces ages 25-30 that can carry the show past the next couple of years...
No its not...you can't throw that many new people in with a smaller cast if you want the show to survive. Let's stop pretending young people from Survivor and BB are magically going to be the face of the show. We've basically gotten Josh Fessy Michele Kyland and Kaycee from CBS and this isn't something they just started doing.
KVM, exactly half of the cast of Battle of the Eras is 38 years old or older. Bodies start to break down. The vast majority of these people might do another All Stars or two, but then they're basically done after the next couple of years. For example, a Darrell might come back three or four years from now, but it's over for him. His athletic prime is over. CT, Leroy, more people I can name that are not going to be on here (past the first couple of weeks) in a season in 2026, 27, etc. Wes is done. Jordan seems sick of it. Bananas is here for the check.
Tom Brady was an outlier freak of nature who made it to 45 and even he hung it up. Even with the best doctors and personal trainers that money can buy. Father time comes for everyone.
And then you've got the younger cast like Nurys and Horacio talking about children.
You keep saying "ride it out with what you've got". But if what you got doesn't get you past another couple of seasons? That's just horrible planning. The rookie retention in Era 4 is absymal. Not a single international rookie outside of Zaza and maybe Berna will be back. And most of Eras 1 and 2 are cooked, competitively.
And ****, most of Eras 3 and 4 are 33 to 38 years old. You have to get a decent rookie class going now before all the vets retire from the flagship and every season from now until cancellation looks like Season 39.
This isn't the NFL--they don't have to be in their prime for this. You can add some people but this show isn't going to have another 40 seasons. You have the core and they'll run it out. No season should ever look like 39--they still needed the vets to be on for most of the season to get anyone interested.
Why do you believe retention will suddenly approve? It's illogical. I'm all for younger people but it's not going to work at this point. They literally add almost no one of value and the only person that seems to want to continue is Olivia who apparently everyone hates. The show works with the vets better than randoms.
The fact anyone thinks on a small cast next year that 10-15 rookies is going to be a good idea is laughable. It just means they have to figure out a way to keep Tori there all season and whatever other vets join her.
Keep the oldies FOREVER! And make a spinoff with youngins.
Guys. I'm absolutely fine with the oldies coming back over and over again. I hope All Stars does 15 seasons. It's just that it's going to get progressively harder to fill out a Flagship 12 week season with the few of these people that can still compete. Emily, Aviv, Jodi, Rachel, Kellyanne. These people have lives. They'll be back here and there, but they are not lifers. Aneesa should've been dropped years ago. Darrell and Leroy are cooked.
If USA3 exists and it's conceivably the last season of it, then I want it filled with 20 to 28 promising rookies (you can throw some USA1 & 2 vets if you wish: i.e. ANGELA and CASSIDY plzzz) that show franchise carrying potential. The prospects are there. Maybe not 20 to 28, but 10 to 15 for sure. Make them prove it.
I was hoping that the writers strike would bring a new golden era of reality tv.. now we just have corny *** big brother and baddies
I hope they realize that they would have a better job at trying to find a 'new generation' if they made the seasons more enjoyable for the cast. unlimited alcohol, mansions, good food, and challenges that don't land you in the ER or have you miserable in extreme cold/heat. but honestly, i don't think there will ever be a new set of people that will be dedicated to this for the next 10-20 years. those days are gone and we'll probably be rotating 'eras' of people that will do it for maybe like 5-10 seasons at most and then dip, and it'll be like that until the show ends.
how expensive is the a season to produce anyways? i feel like as far as reality tv goes, this is one of the more pricey ones. do they still even make good profit from this series anymore
USA3 Cutthroat: Survivor vs Big Brother vs Amazing Race:
Team Amazing Race
Big Brother
Survivor
it's crazy how boring & forgettable The Amazing Race is bc i could not tell you who Juan, Anthony, Frank, Lena, or Dessie are
I appreciate the effort OS! IMO, I'd love three teams but they'd never do 36 castmembers on a spinoff. So it'd sadly probably be 30 or 24, which means we'd lose Survivor players for more Amazing Race players than we'd ever want. That tradeoff is too great for me.
The Sexes 2 season had 36 right? And it was a short season. We need double eliminations weekly and a larger final. It's doable.
Just sneak whatever survivor and bb players have done amazing race onto that team honestly
Yesssss! So many I'd love to see on. And they wouldn't come with the politicking of Survivor and BB people. Like old school rookies
they let you back on the site? that's crazy ****
no shade, i promise. im surprised.
how are you still on this site with these people
All on this! Plus none of them are particularly famous so they would be a lot cheaper and easier to cast than Love Island rookies. They're already young, athletic, messy, and semi-hot. What are you waiting for MTV! Get that Bravo audience!
Bottom line if they're looking for rookies they need to do a Fresh Meat 3. There's plenty of people that would sign up.
I'd be happy with this. Not a fan of most of the CBS lot, or internationals.
Guys they will never do a Fresh Meat again. They will never put 14-16 unproven reality tv personalities with absolutely no following whatsoever on the same season again. If the show was on stronger footing, sure. But it's not.
37, 38, spinoffs, and USA1 casting was such trash on a future prospects potential that it's hard to quantify. 98% of the internationals flopped and they picked such odd picks on USA1 for the Survivor people (like who truly expected Dom or Tasha or Ben or Sarah or even Tyson to stick around - all in their 40's) and most of the young people were Love Island girls that hated it or Love Island boys that were boring.
But I think there's objectively 20 young, attractive, athletic and solid reality tv personalites from CBS (most from Survivor, some from Big Brother) that could debut on this and stick around for 5+ years. And there's obviously some that have already debuted on spinoffs that could become staples (Cassidy, Angela R, Desi, Chris U, Zaza from UK, Grant and Kiki from WC).
If you look at the 3 "fresh meat" brought on Ride or Dies I would say Moriah, Ravyn, and Chauncey were flops on their first seasons. Ravyn has shown potential and Moriah is...alright.
They've tried this--Bloodlines and even Ride or Dies
Moriah, Ravyn, and even useless Chauncey are still better than 90% of the CBS/Internationals. Why can't unproven, true fresh meat who've never been on reality work again, when Big Brother and Survivor are able to find people? Y'all keep saying this but every other show manages to cast people while the Challenge just scrapes from the bottom of the barrel of CBS people and dating shows.
The Challenge likely has a much lower budget-to-viewership ratio than Bravo shows or the bigger reality tv competitions like Survivor and Big Brother.
They absolutely cannot afford a season like Bloodlines where the 15 rookies are like 12 duds and 3 with some potential but every single one is off the show in under 3 years. It's disastrous enough that it could cause cancellation. 37 was disastrous enough with the 50% rookie class that has by and large completely disappeared or the USA's casting which seems like to have a less than 10% retention rate.
You need to do an objective deep dive on reality television and pull out a minimum of 10 personalities that can anchor the show for the next 3 years. The next 3 years is when all of the Era 1 and 2 vets hang it up, because 90% of them will or should.
Personally, I think the producers realize that they've objectively failed in developing personalites in the last 10 seasons and spinoffs and need to course correct before you have a legitimacy crisis of oldheads showing up for the check and throwing eliminations to go home on the regular.
Yall think this show will still be around in 10 years?
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