Queen V - still a crafty amazing social player! Love her and Tina! Wish Rachel was still with them
Derek impressed me in the mission - I loved the first half - the second half was weird
it was horribly cheesy but TJ throwing Nicole her uniform was so bad I laughed a lot and loved it
Kam is just mad cause Cara Maria's planned worked and her didn't. I wish Leroy and either Kam/Nicole went home this episode. Gonna miss Kefla a lot! I love that Nicole has a star though. Cause I'm guessing the girls would want to run against someone they perceive as weaker so hopefully Queen V keeps her star safe and makes it to the final! Now we just need Tina and Flora to get the other two! Averey would be fine too.
I'm over Kam, Nicole, and Laurel. Show us the other people please, I know there's content - those three's storyline is old and annoying at this point
I also feel like this is justice because production should have totally allowed Jamie Murray to give his lifeshiled to Veronica on Battle of the Sexes, she wasn't allowed to keep it only because Jamie told Johnny Mosley off-camera before hand that he was giving it to Blair
love this throwback - and I agree 100% lol. I do think it was shady of production, but it showed how smart Queen V is and totally manipulated Nicole to change her vote - felt like the wonderful Ruins moment where she got Ibis sent in instead of her.
What about "It would be easier to get the votes on Tina?" Did y'all not understand, or are y'all being purposely obtuse? She would have an easier time getting Tina sent in because her game is shit, and the house has been saying it.
And, none of these girls thus far has willingly gone against another strong competitor, so what are we being dense for? I'd be smarter to ice Laurel out of a star as long as she can anyway. There's little gain in facing Laurel other than pride and Kam does not need to prove herself in elimination at this point.
Idk if Jasmine said something and it got cut, but I would've argued that it should be too late. Like she already walked back up the steps and Nicole was in the sand, the decision was done.
Me too. Flora could be jumping the gun a bit because the aftermath is often shown in the next episode, but if it's now shown then yeah this production is a mess.
What about "It would be easier to get the votes on Tina?" Did y'all not understand, or are y'all being purposely obtuse? She would have an easier time getting Tina sent in because her game is shit, and the house has been saying it.
And, none of these girls thus far has willingly gone against another strong competitor, so what are we being dense for? I'd be smarter to ice Laurel out of a star as long as she can anyway. There's little gain in facing Laurel other than pride and Kam does not need to prove herself in elimination at this point.
All of that is correct and fine, but it also doesn't line up with Kam always talking about how she doesn't play scared. That's the issue.
i know we all like cara but why are we mad other people are playing their games too and why are we going against them if they dont ally w cara? she's a beast ofc i'd love to get rid of her too
i know we all like cara but why are we mad other people are playing their games too and why are we going against them if they dont ally w cara? she's a beast ofc i'd love to get rid of her too
I'm not mad at anyone for playing their game; I get upset when they are hypocritical.
Please provide an example of someone who is simply mad at other people for playing their game.
I think to Kam she did whatever Cara asked her to do on WOTW2 so she was hoping Cara would have her back after the tense argument with Ayanna, and Cara showed she will do whatever she wants.
I think to Kam she did whatever Cara asked her to do on WOTW2 so she was hoping Cara would have her back after the tense argument with Ayanna, and Cara showed she will do whatever she wants.
Cara voted to put Ayanna into elimination.
Kam is also doing whatever she wants anyway. That started with her very first Challenge when Kam threw her alliance member Kailah into elimination over Jemmye in order to save herself. ALL of the Challengers are going to do what they can to save themselves.
Also this season, as usual Kam expects everyone to do what she wants (put Ayanna and Rachel in together, put Cara and Rachel in together, now put her and Tina in together).
As I said, the only thing I get bothered by is when people get mad at other people for doing the same things they do, or for saying they play one way but then really don't. Just own it.
What about "It would be easier to get the votes on Tina?" Did y'all not understand, or are y'all being purposely obtuse? She would have an easier time getting Tina sent in because her game is shit, and the house has been saying it.
And, none of these girls thus far has willingly gone against another strong competitor, so what are we being dense for? I'd be smarter to ice Laurel out of a star as long as she can anyway. There's little gain in facing Laurel other than pride and Kam does not need to prove herself in elimination at this point.
All of that is correct and fine, but it also doesn't line up with Kam always talking about how she doesn't play scared. That's the issue.
What was scary tho? Laurels name never came up why call her out if she doesn't need to? I'd be scary if Laurel's name got brought up and Kam was acting scared to face her... that didn't happen.
I can say Cara was scared to vote Rachel because she could lose her star and y'all would call that dumb because Cara was playing the game. So is Kam, if she doesn't need to face Laurel why do so? Laurel doesn't even hold a star that's a potential threat with zero backing so she's irrelevant in the grand scheme. Like I said, she's better off icing her out. Facing Laurel only benefits yall because I'd be a harder elimination for Kam than Tina.
I think to Kam she did whatever Cara asked her to do on WOTW2 so she was hoping Cara would have her back after the tense argument with Ayanna, and Cara showed she will do whatever she wants.
Actually, it was the reverse. Paulie, Cara, and Kam all fully admit that Kam and Paulie were the ones running things on WOTW2 in terms of strategy. Kam is who brought Ashley/Cara back together, Kayleigh to the table which got them the in with Joss/Rogan, etc. Cara even apparently didn't want to vote for Theo that one time but Paulie/Kam were like "you have to do it for the group."
It was only called Cara's Cult because Tori was hyperfocused on Cara.
Also, Cara's vote didn't matter. I think Kam's feelings are valid in being hurt a friend didn't have her back no matter what, but Cara waited until the end so her vote wouldn't impact anything and so she could protect herself. Kam has absolutely be fine with protecting herself over friends (see: voting in Marie on Vendettas to save herself), but I think Kam was just in her feels a bit this time around. They already made up even.
Cara makes understandable game moves and y'all understand the nuances of politics.
But anyone else does so and it's excuse after excuse. Y'all don't have to like the moves, the moves may not even work out in the grand scheme. But there's rational basis for everyone's actions (except Nicole but she doesn't operate on a rational level) that y'all refuse to accept because you like someone more than the other.
We all have our favs but y'all dragging Kam over stupid shit. I'd rather y'all admit you don't like her and thus will critique anything she does than hiding behind shit excuses. Be real about it, you don't have to like the girl but let's not lie about what's going on in the game.
What about "It would be easier to get the votes on Tina?" Did y'all not understand, or are y'all being purposely obtuse? She would have an easier time getting Tina sent in because her game is shit, and the house has been saying it.
And, none of these girls thus far has willingly gone against another strong competitor, so what are we being dense for? I'd be smarter to ice Laurel out of a star as long as she can anyway. There's little gain in facing Laurel other than pride and Kam does not need to prove herself in elimination at this point.
All of that is correct and fine, but it also doesn't line up with Kam always talking about how she doesn't play scared. That's the issue.
What was scary tho? Laurels name never came up why call her out if she doesn't need to? I'd be scary if Laurel's name got brought up and Kam was acting scared to face her... that didn't happen.
I can say Cara was scared to vote Rachel because she could lose her star and y'all would call that dumb because Cara was playing the game. So is Kam, if she doesn't need to face Laurel why do so? Laurel doesn't even hold a star that's a potential threat with zero backing so she's irrelevant in the grand scheme. Like I said, she's better off icing her out. Facing Laurel only benefits yall because I'd be a harder elimination for Kam than Tina.
I think it's smart of Kam to try and get rid of strong players when possible, and avoid going against them if possible. Smart is different from not playing scared, though. Kam is the one in confessionals who has always said she makes big moves, isn't afraid to go against anyone, etc. (and by always I mean since her first season). When it comes to game time, though, she does try to get other strong players to face each other, avoids taking on the strong players herself, will betray her alliance to avoid elimination, etc. I just want her to state that's how she plays instead of acting like she's out here trying to take on anyone, anywhere, any time.
Cara makes understandable game moves and y'all understand the nuances of politics.
But anyone else does so and it's excuse after excuse. Y'all don't have to like the moves, the moves may not even work out in the grand scheme. But there's rational basis for everyone's actions (except Nicole but she doesn't operate on a rational level) that y'all refuse to accept because you like someone more than the other.
We all have our favs but y'all dragging Kam over stupid shit. I'd rather y'all admit you don't like her and thus will critique anything she does than hiding behind shit excuses. Be real about it, you don't have to like the girl but let's not lie about what's going on in the game.
Is Cara saying she's doing something different than she's doing, though? If she is I will stand corrected, but I have said time and again my issue with Kam is that she says one thing but her actions don't back it up. That is completely differnet from whether or not her moves make sense.
What was scary tho? Laurels name never came up why call her out if she doesn't need to? I'd be scary if Laurel's name got brought up and Kam was acting scared to face her... that didn't happen.
I can say Cara was scared to vote Rachel because she could lose her star and y'all would call that dumb because Cara was playing the game. So is Kam, if she doesn't need to face Laurel why do so? Laurel doesn't even hold a star that's a potential threat with zero backing so she's irrelevant in the grand scheme. Like I said, she's better off icing her out. Facing Laurel only benefits yall because I'd be a harder elimination for Kam than Tina.
Tina's name wasn't brought up until Kam said it, though. She immediately started campaigning for that matchup so those in the deliberation didn't even have time to discuss it. It's a boss move to plant that seed ahead of time imo so I think that was great, personally.
And yes, Cara was scared to vote Rachel -- it just also was smart. Kam was scared to throw Laurel out as an option and went for Tina instead -- it was also smart. Nicole switching from Veronica to Jasmine was scared too -- but also smart.
Being scared and smart are not mutually exvlusive. Kam has shown that she'll always make the scared/smart move for herself if it's an option too, she'll just also back up her talk in elim if she's need to. So does Cara to be fair.
Also, Laurel not having a star would have aligned with Kam's plan, actually. She fully explained she wanted to go against a non-star holder so when she won, she could steal Cara's star. Absolutely savage and brilliant. But that meant no Veronica or Jasmine who were also in the loser's group, and only Laurel or Tina. Kam went with Tina because she's easier, which is absolutely the smarter move. As you say, why face Laurel when another, weaker non-star holder exists?
What about "It would be easier to get the votes on Tina?" Did y'all not understand, or are y'all being purposely obtuse? She would have an easier time getting Tina sent in because her game is shit, and the house has been saying it.
And, none of these girls thus far has willingly gone against another strong competitor, so what are we being dense for? I'd be smarter to ice Laurel out of a star as long as she can anyway. There's little gain in facing Laurel other than pride and Kam does not need to prove herself in elimination at this point.
All of that is correct and fine, but it also doesn't line up with Kam always talking about how she doesn't play scared. That's the issue.
What was scary tho? Laurels name never came up why call her out if she doesn't need to? I'd be scary if Laurel's name got brought up and Kam was acting scared to face her... that didn't happen.
I can say Cara was scared to vote Rachel because she could lose her star and y'all would call that dumb because Cara was playing the game. So is Kam, if she doesn't need to face Laurel why do so? Laurel doesn't even hold a star that's a potential threat with zero backing so she's irrelevant in the grand scheme. Like I said, she's better off icing her out. Facing Laurel only benefits yall because I'd be a harder elimination for Kam than Tina.
I think it's smart of Kam to try and get rid of strong players when possible, and avoid going against them if possible. Smart is different from not playing scared, though. Kam is the one in confessionals who has always said she makes big moves, isn't afraid to go against anyone, etc. (and by always I mean since her first season). When it comes to game time, though, she does try to get other strong players to face each other, avoids taking on the strong players herself, will betray her alliance to avoid elimination, etc. I just want her to state that's how she plays instead of acting like she's out here trying to take on anyone, anywhere, any time.
Ok but answer my question if she doesn't need to face Laurel why should she? I dont see Laurel saying send herself in against Kam or even asking to go in. Hell Laurel didn't even want to face Tina because it wasn't a headbanger is she scared?
And making a big move IS getting strong players against each other. Y'all are operating under the guise if you don't take someone out yourself it's not valid. That's bullshit. The goal is to eliminate your competition , however you do that is up to you but politics has always been valid. Caution is not the same as being scared.
Also, she has said nothing this season of taking anyone on directly. So that doesn't gel with this season you're talking about every other season where you can't disprove she wouldn't have done that.
And, y'all need to get over that Marie thing , it was Kam's first season she just met the girl. Kam getting mad at a friend she's had for years is not comparable. Y'all have to think, there's not enough of that.
Cara makes understandable game moves and y'all understand the nuances of politics.
But anyone else does so and it's excuse after excuse. Y'all don't have to like the moves, the moves may not even work out in the grand scheme. But there's rational basis for everyone's actions (except Nicole but she doesn't operate on a rational level) that y'all refuse to accept because you like someone more than the other.
We all have our favs but y'all dragging Kam over stupid shit. I'd rather y'all admit you don't like her and thus will critique anything she does than hiding behind shit excuses. Be real about it, you don't have to like the girl but let's not lie about what's going on in the game.
I think you're missing why anyone is upset at Kam. It's not about the moves Kam (or Cara) have made, it's the fact they're playing basically the same game but Kam is dogging Cara's moves as scared. Even Leroy admitted an episode or so ago that both women were right in ways.
Also, I can't speak for everyone here, but I do not like Cara and Kam is one of my favorites, so my reason in this discussion is just that I wish Kam wouldn't be such a confessional talker when it doesn't make sense. This is the first season I've felt like this about her confessionals. But I'd absolutely much rather Kam's plan have worked and Rachel was still here.
Ok but answer my question if she doesn't need to face Laurel why should she?
I never said she should. I want her to stop getting on other people for playing scared and for her to stop acting like she doesn't play scared sometimes.
And, y'all need to get over that Marie thing , it was Kam's first season she just met the girl. Kam getting mad at a friend she's had for years is not comparable. Y'all have to think, there's not enough of that.
Let me ask you this; if Kam is the one who had a star early on, do you think Kam would gone with both votes Cara wanted, or do you think Kam would have protected her star?
I honestly wish all of Kam's plans so far had worked. Rachel still be there would have been more interesting with everyone left in the house, there might be more focus on the actual OGs instead of this fued.
Or that Kam had been able to go in and then steal Cara's star because that would have been an amazing moment. So far, stealing stars has been lackluster and people have been basically cordial about it. but that would have really been a bomb on the house. Kam tried to make moments like that happen every season, which is why she's one of the best.
How often do those moments actually happen, though? I don't understand the hype for Kam at all. Her moments are always a bust from what I remember.
Practically everything on WOTW2, for example. Like she's who convinced to Idris about throwing in Laurel against Ninja instead of Cara (by Idris admittance) which was the turning point for her alliance, she worked on Joss with Paulie/Kayleigh to throw in Georgia against Tori (again, Kayleigh said at one point it wouldn't have happened without Kam/Paulie), and swayed Leroy that whole season to vote her way, including against Nany to throw in Jenny vs Tori.
There are also other moments that would have worked if not for production changing things up, like she masterminded CT/Ashley vs Wes/Natalie for the first elim on DA but production went with a women's elim which made it a little less impactful. She and her alliance almost successfully kept CT out of the final -- Nany messed it up.
But not every move is going to work out -- at least Kam tries. Lots of people just sit back and let the big competitors make it uncontested to the end.
I think you're missing why anyone is upset at Kam. It's not about the moves Kam (or Cara) have made, it's the fact they're playing basically the same game but Kam is dogging Cara's moves as scared. Even Leroy admitted an episode or so ago that both women were right in ways.
If it's not about the moves why is their consistent critique of her moves in the process? Or even Brandon and Jasmine ? Yet, Caras moves are understood , and as you said, they are playing the same game.
Even Cara this episode got mad people we're gonna do Tina v . Kam because that didn't benefit her personal and no one questions it. Doesn't that make her scared even if it's rational? Per the logic some are using.
Ok but answer my question if she doesn't need to face Laurel why should she?
I never said she should. I want her to stop getting on other people for playing scared and for her to stop acting like she doesn't play scared sometimes.
And, y'all need to get over that Marie thing , it was Kam's first season she just met the girl. Kam getting mad at a friend she's had for years is not comparable. Y'all have to think, there's not enough of that.
Let me ask you this; if Kam is the one who had a star early on, do you think Kam would gone with both votes Cara wanted, or do you think Kam would have protected her star?
But the thing is I'm not mad Cara protected her star, but I can understand Kam's POV even if I wouldn't have cared long term. And, we don't know what happens in these scenarios to determine if Kam's star would be up for grabs so I'd have to grasp at straws.
I do think it's stupid to question of Kam's loyalty because she voted in a girl she just met in her first season?
And counter point if Cara got upset Kam didn't vote her way to protect her star then would you side with Kam or does this only apply to Kam?
If it's not about the moves why is their consistent critique of her moves in the process? Or even Brandon and Jasmine ? Yet, Caras moves are understood , and as you said, they are playing the same game.
Even Cara this episode got mad people we're gonna do Tina v . Kam because that didn't benefit her personal and no one questions it. Doesn't that make her scared even if it's rational? Per the logic some are using.
I think it's getting critique because it keeps coming up in the episodes, Kam keeps bringing up the scared/entitled stuff in confessionals. She's not wrong obs -- Cara is playing scared, it's just also smart, and she did feel entitled to Brandon/Jasmine's support without really talking to them about it. But the way the eps are or Kam talking is why people keeping pointing out the hypocrisy. Idk if anyone is bringing up Brandon anymore, Jasmine yes because she was a big part of this episode. I do agree it's a dead horse topic at this point.
Honestly, if the editors/producers would be better about focusing on a variety of storylines, the conversation wouldn't be so about Kam/Cara. I wish this was the case.
Cara's moves aren't as questioned because Cara fully admits she's playing defensive. Normally she's quite a hypocrite herself and full of hot air and pandering to the camera, so it's honestly been weird she's been self-aware about her game moves. I think that's why people are less calling her out -- most of us still find her annoying, though. That's my take, anyway, could always be wrong.
Queen V - still a crafty amazing social player! Love her and Tina! Wish Rachel was still with them
Derek impressed me in the mission - I loved the first half - the second half was weird
it was horribly cheesy but TJ throwing Nicole her uniform was so bad I laughed a lot and loved it
Kam is just mad cause Cara Maria's planned worked and her didn't. I wish Leroy and either Kam/Nicole went home this episode. Gonna miss Kefla a lot! I love that Nicole has a star though. Cause I'm guessing the girls would want to run against someone they perceive as weaker so hopefully Queen V keeps her star safe and makes it to the final! Now we just need Tina and Flora to get the other two! Averey would be fine too.
I'm over Kam, Nicole, and Laurel. Show us the other people please, I know there's content - those three's storyline is old and annoying at this point
love this throwback - and I agree 100% lol. I do think it was shady of production, but it showed how smart Queen V is and totally manipulated Nicole to change her vote - felt like the wonderful Ruins moment where she got Ibis sent in instead of her.
How tf they let her change her matchup? Nuh uh, Jasmine was SCREWED
NOOOOOO KEFLA
AND **** PRODUCTION SCREWING OVER JASMINE
Kam realizing she might go in and trying to rally the girls to put her against an easier girl x_x
Kam is p**sy
What about "It would be easier to get the votes on Tina?" Did y'all not understand, or are y'all being purposely obtuse? She would have an easier time getting Tina sent in because her game is shit, and the house has been saying it.
And, none of these girls thus far has willingly gone against another strong competitor, so what are we being dense for? I'd be smarter to ice Laurel out of a star as long as she can anyway. There's little gain in facing Laurel other than pride and Kam does not need to prove herself in elimination at this point.
Idk if Jasmine said something and it got cut, but I would've argued that it should be too late. Like she already walked back up the steps and Nicole was in the sand, the decision was done.
Me too. Flora could be jumping the gun a bit because the aftermath is often shown in the next episode, but if it's now shown then yeah this production is a mess.
All of that is correct and fine, but it also doesn't line up with Kam always talking about how she doesn't play scared. That's the issue.
i know we all like cara but why are we mad other people are playing their games too and why are we going against them if they dont ally w cara? she's a beast ofc i'd love to get rid of her too
I'm not mad at anyone for playing their game; I get upset when they are hypocritical.
Please provide an example of someone who is simply mad at other people for playing their game.
I think to Kam she did whatever Cara asked her to do on WOTW2 so she was hoping Cara would have her back after the tense argument with Ayanna, and Cara showed she will do whatever she wants.
Cara voted to put Ayanna into elimination.
Kam is also doing whatever she wants anyway. That started with her very first Challenge when Kam threw her alliance member Kailah into elimination over Jemmye in order to save herself. ALL of the Challengers are going to do what they can to save themselves.
Also this season, as usual Kam expects everyone to do what she wants (put Ayanna and Rachel in together, put Cara and Rachel in together, now put her and Tina in together).
As I said, the only thing I get bothered by is when people get mad at other people for doing the same things they do, or for saying they play one way but then really don't. Just own it.
What was scary tho? Laurels name never came up why call her out if she doesn't need to? I'd be scary if Laurel's name got brought up and Kam was acting scared to face her... that didn't happen.
I can say Cara was scared to vote Rachel because she could lose her star and y'all would call that dumb because Cara was playing the game. So is Kam, if she doesn't need to face Laurel why do so? Laurel doesn't even hold a star that's a potential threat with zero backing so she's irrelevant in the grand scheme. Like I said, she's better off icing her out. Facing Laurel only benefits yall because I'd be a harder elimination for Kam than Tina.
Actually, it was the reverse. Paulie, Cara, and Kam all fully admit that Kam and Paulie were the ones running things on WOTW2 in terms of strategy. Kam is who brought Ashley/Cara back together, Kayleigh to the table which got them the in with Joss/Rogan, etc. Cara even apparently didn't want to vote for Theo that one time but Paulie/Kam were like "you have to do it for the group."
It was only called Cara's Cult because Tori was hyperfocused on Cara.
Also, Cara's vote didn't matter. I think Kam's feelings are valid in being hurt a friend didn't have her back no matter what, but Cara waited until the end so her vote wouldn't impact anything and so she could protect herself. Kam has absolutely be fine with protecting herself over friends (see: voting in Marie on Vendettas to save herself), but I think Kam was just in her feels a bit this time around. They already made up even.
And if anyone is being hypocritical it's y'all.
Cara makes understandable game moves and y'all understand the nuances of politics.
But anyone else does so and it's excuse after excuse. Y'all don't have to like the moves, the moves may not even work out in the grand scheme. But there's rational basis for everyone's actions (except Nicole but she doesn't operate on a rational level) that y'all refuse to accept because you like someone more than the other.
We all have our favs but y'all dragging Kam over stupid shit. I'd rather y'all admit you don't like her and thus will critique anything she does than hiding behind shit excuses. Be real about it, you don't have to like the girl but let's not lie about what's going on in the game.
I think it's smart of Kam to try and get rid of strong players when possible, and avoid going against them if possible. Smart is different from not playing scared, though. Kam is the one in confessionals who has always said she makes big moves, isn't afraid to go against anyone, etc. (and by always I mean since her first season). When it comes to game time, though, she does try to get other strong players to face each other, avoids taking on the strong players herself, will betray her alliance to avoid elimination, etc. I just want her to state that's how she plays instead of acting like she's out here trying to take on anyone, anywhere, any time.
Is Cara saying she's doing something different than she's doing, though? If she is I will stand corrected, but I have said time and again my issue with Kam is that she says one thing but her actions don't back it up. That is completely differnet from whether or not her moves make sense.
Tina's name wasn't brought up until Kam said it, though. She immediately started campaigning for that matchup so those in the deliberation didn't even have time to discuss it. It's a boss move to plant that seed ahead of time imo so I think that was great, personally.
And yes, Cara was scared to vote Rachel -- it just also was smart. Kam was scared to throw Laurel out as an option and went for Tina instead -- it was also smart. Nicole switching from Veronica to Jasmine was scared too -- but also smart.
Being scared and smart are not mutually exvlusive. Kam has shown that she'll always make the scared/smart move for herself if it's an option too, she'll just also back up her talk in elim if she's need to. So does Cara to be fair.
Also, Laurel not having a star would have aligned with Kam's plan, actually. She fully explained she wanted to go against a non-star holder so when she won, she could steal Cara's star. Absolutely savage and brilliant. But that meant no Veronica or Jasmine who were also in the loser's group, and only Laurel or Tina. Kam went with Tina because she's easier, which is absolutely the smarter move. As you say, why face Laurel when another, weaker non-star holder exists?
Ok but answer my question if she doesn't need to face Laurel why should she? I dont see Laurel saying send herself in against Kam or even asking to go in. Hell Laurel didn't even want to face Tina because it wasn't a headbanger is she scared?
And making a big move IS getting strong players against each other. Y'all are operating under the guise if you don't take someone out yourself it's not valid. That's bullshit. The goal is to eliminate your competition , however you do that is up to you but politics has always been valid. Caution is not the same as being scared.
Also, she has said nothing this season of taking anyone on directly. So that doesn't gel with this season you're talking about every other season where you can't disprove she wouldn't have done that.
And, y'all need to get over that Marie thing , it was Kam's first season she just met the girl. Kam getting mad at a friend she's had for years is not comparable. Y'all have to think, there's not enough of that.
I think you're missing why anyone is upset at Kam. It's not about the moves Kam (or Cara) have made, it's the fact they're playing basically the same game but Kam is dogging Cara's moves as scared. Even Leroy admitted an episode or so ago that both women were right in ways.
Also, I can't speak for everyone here, but I do not like Cara and Kam is one of my favorites, so my reason in this discussion is just that I wish Kam wouldn't be such a confessional talker when it doesn't make sense. This is the first season I've felt like this about her confessionals. But I'd absolutely much rather Kam's plan have worked and Rachel was still here.
I never said she should. I want her to stop getting on other people for playing scared and for her to stop acting like she doesn't play scared sometimes.
Let me ask you this; if Kam is the one who had a star early on, do you think Kam would gone with both votes Cara wanted, or do you think Kam would have protected her star?
I honestly wish all of Kam's plans so far had worked. Rachel still be there would have been more interesting with everyone left in the house, there might be more focus on the actual OGs instead of this fued.
Or that Kam had been able to go in and then steal Cara's star because that would have been an amazing moment. So far, stealing stars has been lackluster and people have been basically cordial about it. but that would have really been a bomb on the house. Kam tried to make moments like that happen every season, which is why she's one of the best.
How often do those moments actually happen, though? I don't understand the hype for Kam at all. Her moments are always a bust from what I remember.
I just need to log tf out and get some action. Have the day you deserve, everyone!
Practically everything on WOTW2, for example. Like she's who convinced to Idris about throwing in Laurel against Ninja instead of Cara (by Idris admittance) which was the turning point for her alliance, she worked on Joss with Paulie/Kayleigh to throw in Georgia against Tori (again, Kayleigh said at one point it wouldn't have happened without Kam/Paulie), and swayed Leroy that whole season to vote her way, including against Nany to throw in Jenny vs Tori.
There are also other moments that would have worked if not for production changing things up, like she masterminded CT/Ashley vs Wes/Natalie for the first elim on DA but production went with a women's elim which made it a little less impactful. She and her alliance almost successfully kept CT out of the final -- Nany messed it up.
But not every move is going to work out -- at least Kam tries. Lots of people just sit back and let the big competitors make it uncontested to the end.
If it's not about the moves why is their consistent critique of her moves in the process? Or even Brandon and Jasmine ? Yet, Caras moves are understood , and as you said, they are playing the same game.
Even Cara this episode got mad people we're gonna do Tina v . Kam because that didn't benefit her personal and no one questions it. Doesn't that make her scared even if it's rational? Per the logic some are using.
But the thing is I'm not mad Cara protected her star, but I can understand Kam's POV even if I wouldn't have cared long term. And, we don't know what happens in these scenarios to determine if Kam's star would be up for grabs so I'd have to grasp at straws.
I do think it's stupid to question of Kam's loyalty because she voted in a girl she just met in her first season?
And counter point if Cara got upset Kam didn't vote her way to protect her star then would you side with Kam or does this only apply to Kam?
I think it's getting critique because it keeps coming up in the episodes, Kam keeps bringing up the scared/entitled stuff in confessionals. She's not wrong obs -- Cara is playing scared, it's just also smart, and she did feel entitled to Brandon/Jasmine's support without really talking to them about it. But the way the eps are or Kam talking is why people keeping pointing out the hypocrisy. Idk if anyone is bringing up Brandon anymore, Jasmine yes because she was a big part of this episode. I do agree it's a dead horse topic at this point.
Honestly, if the editors/producers would be better about focusing on a variety of storylines, the conversation wouldn't be so about Kam/Cara. I wish this was the case.
Cara's moves aren't as questioned because Cara fully admits she's playing defensive. Normally she's quite a hypocrite herself and full of hot air and pandering to the camera, so it's honestly been weird she's been self-aware about her game moves. I think that's why people are less calling her out -- most of us still find her annoying, though. That's my take, anyway, could always be wrong.
Apologies for the essays on this topic honestly
Man Kam p**sy
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