Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
Assuming you mean Jamieson not Dias I agree lol. Danny Dias (RIP) easily wins worst male competitor. Nick Brown is in that discussion. Tyrie is. **** Isaac should be but people like him for some reason.
yeah I meant Danny from Austin lol. He lost in an exile where luggage weight played a role and him and Ev had heavier weight. Lost to Davis and Adam in agility/speed friendly eliminations. His Darrell loss was straight up. Lost on Fresh Meat 2 because of his partner. And his loss on Seasons was straight up too but it seemed like Wes only showed up for the appearance check.
Balls Out on Seasons 2012 is one of the worst elimination rounds ever--they made it better the second time but still not great. But we're on the same page for sure.
Jenn is probably the most overrated female In challenge history next to Ashley M and Tori D. She is the female Fessy. Dead Last in every final she competed in and didn't even finish 2 of her 4 finals. On top of that, she went into 1 elimination in her 3 consecutive finals run. She never really talked a big game like Fessy does tho. Jenn is strong no doubt, but her success is 1000% attributed to friendships she had rather than her getting her hands dirty. So yeah her political game is on point which I give her props for but players like Wes, Johnny, Cara Maria, Laurel, etc get more credit in my eyes because they go into eliminations a lot of the time en route to MOST their wins/finals.
This isn't fair to Jenn at all. Jenn had no chance on The Island, she did great to start Cutthroat but her and Emily weren't winning that final because you needed more people, Jenn had no chance in **** with Noor (let's be real about how much better Landon, Kenny and Peter were than him) and same with Rivals--Jenn was the lead girl--put Jenn with Evelyn or Laurel and she does great--plus she was sick.
Also, the goal is to avoid eliminations--Jenn did that as well as anyone. Jenn played a much better game than Wes, John, Cara and Laurel ever did. Laurel > Jenn but Jenn's highly underrated not overrated.
No idea how Tori Deal is on that list--most people bash her. The cast believe she's one of the best. She's actually very similar to Tori Hall other than she tries all the time.
Jenn wasnt the lead girl on rivals, idk why you keep tryna make that happen lmaooo.
All she did was what most women did in that era, which was fall in line to JEK.
What do you mean she wasn't the lead girl? How is Mandi leading that pair or the better competitor? What are you talking about?
She did not fall in line--she played the middle more than anyone and never took orders. You're wrong especially thinking Mandi was somehow better than Jenn.
You guess she was the lead girl in her pair? Right--you're not being absolutely ridiculous at all. Laurel & Evelyn > Jenn. Cara & Paula > Mandi. Jenn & Mandi had absolutely no chance. Switch Jenn with Cara or Paula then Cara or Paula have no chance.
I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but I'm not a fan of doing challenges in rounds. It just drags out the episode I want to see everybody compete at one time and get it over with. There is no reason to split up the mud challenge on last night's episode.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
I mean for FM 2 and for FM 1 i can see where you're coming from. But how was he unlucky to lose to Adam or Davis?? Danny's the one who doesn't know how to hold a tackle and didn't have the endurance to keep up with Davis.
Fessy hasnt really done anything to be hated the way he is hated. People over-criticize him imo and he hasnt died in a final the way Paulie or Zach has
sure he has. He talks a way bigger game than he should. He says he is the best guy that's ever done a challenge and is 2 for 2 on coming in last on finals. A pre-requisite for talking shit is having won a challenge before. But even that doesn't go for everyone. There are some champions that have no business talking shit about anything.
he talks like any other competitive human who is playing a sport lol. I'd never police the amount of confidence someone has,
Yeah I get that no doubt. Obviously no solid competitor that goes to win is gonna say, I'm not the best and I'm probably gonna lose. But the guy claims to be the best competitor ever. I'm sorry but Fessy doesn't even brush the top 15. How can you claim to be the best ever when you haven't won. Secondly, his 3 eliminations wins? Against a guy with one hand where you have to hold onto a pole and against a dude probably 60 lbs smaller in a hall brawl. I'll give him the Kyle elimination.
aint kyle scrawny too lol
Of Fessy's 3 elimination wins, Kyle was easily the most similar in height/weight to Fessy.
I mean that's true Kyle is the most similar in size compared to Nelson and Jordan. But let's be honest Nelson is physically the strongest which is why he gave Fessy the toughest fight.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
Assuming you mean Jamieson not Dias I agree lol. Danny Dias (RIP) easily wins worst male competitor. Nick Brown is in that discussion. Tyrie is. **** Isaac should be but people like him for some reason.
I personally think Tyrie was on the wrong seasons. He should've did cutthroat, duel 2, and free agents imo. He was never winning with Davis, Jasmine, or Dunbar. Inferno 3 he lost to Alton who's a beast, quit one of the gauntlets (I forgot which one), and the Island you can't really tell who was really good.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
Assuming you mean Jamieson not Dias I agree lol. Danny Dias (RIP) easily wins worst male competitor. Nick Brown is in that discussion. Tyrie is. **** Isaac should be but people like him for some reason.
I personally think Tyrie was on the wrong seasons. He should've did cutthroat, duel 2, and free agents imo. He was never winning with Davis, Jasmine, or Dunbar. Inferno 3 he lost to Alton who's a beast, quit one of the gauntlets (I forgot which one), and the Island you can't really tell who was really good.
Truth be told i think Tyrie had worse luck than Danny. Danny was at least on a winning team on G3.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
I mean for FM 2 and for FM 1 i can see where you're coming from. But how was he unlucky to lose to Adam or Davis?? Danny's the one who doesn't know how to hold a tackle and didn't have the endurance to keep up with Davis.
Ball Brawl was speed based more than "who can tackle". The faster person won it every time. Including Jillian over Janelle. Danny didn't lose to Davis because of endurance IMO--it was due to speed. Danny's definitely slow.
Danny's far from great and maybe "unlucky" is the wrong word but if he gets Ram It Home, Force Field or Ankle Breaker against Adam he probably makes that final.
Danny doesn't deserve to be in the worst males in challenge history conversation as he is probably one of the unluckiest people in challenge history.
Assuming you mean Jamieson not Dias I agree lol. Danny Dias (RIP) easily wins worst male competitor. Nick Brown is in that discussion. Tyrie is. **** Isaac should be but people like him for some reason.
I personally think Tyrie was on the wrong seasons. He should've did cutthroat, duel 2, and free agents imo. He was never winning with Davis, Jasmine, or Dunbar. Inferno 3 he lost to Alton who's a beast, quit one of the gauntlets (I forgot which one), and the Island you can't really tell who was really good.
I agree that he's never winning with those partners but Tyrie despite his size was always considered one of the weaker players. Danny really wasn't. Not that anyone thought Danny was great but better than Tyrie. If Tyrie or Danny were on Cutthroat they might have done okay given those eliminations but both of them, especially Tyrie, would have livid in the Gulag.
That poster said it best. Tyrie had worse luck than Danny. Both talked a bigger game than they could prove though. The only time he was the favorite in his elimination was against Robb/Derek but Dunbar had already mentally checked out before the first elimination and Tyrie tried his best.
then you have guys like Danny Dias, nick brown and Alex from Denver who all looked really bad on their challenge appearance but they only did 1-2 at most. Same with Isaac. You could find a lot of competitors like Isaac from the Golden era that were just there to have fun. Do they compete for worst of all time too? Hard to really say for the males.
unlike the females with Casey and Shavuon, who did numerous challenges and performed really badly.
Nate from AYTO has to be up there with worst male challengers too. I don't think he would have improved much either cause he's such a crybaby. Vinny Foti was another guy who performed bad despite having the size on paper.
Nate from AYTO has to be up there with worst male challengers too. I don't think he would have improved much either cause he's such a crybaby. Vinny Foti was another guy who performed bad despite having the size on paper.
Vinny is a good add. Why don't I recall a Nate from AYTO? lol
I do think the males that were simply awful weren't often invited back--production seemed to care more about competition with the men.
That said, I'd take Danny Jamieson as a partner over Tyrie--and I'd probably take both over Isaac.
if basing it one or two challenge appearances, Danny Dias, Nick Brown, Jacquese, Nate (AYTO), Brandon (AYTO), Alex from Denver, Nate from San Diego. That's off the top of my head.
easy will always get criticized for gassing out in the final. But I never felt he was a horrible competitor actually.
Nate from AYTO has to be up there with worst male challengers too. I don't think he would have improved much either cause he's such a crybaby. Vinny Foti was another guy who performed bad despite having the size on paper.
Vinny is a good add. Why don't I recall a Nate from AYTO? lol
Rivals 3 - the season you didn't watch. He didn't want to jump out the helicopter, he and Christina were considered the layup team, and he was willing to work with John and his cousin that season to go to the final so he could finish 3rd place. Actually stated it too.
Nate from AYTO has to be up there with worst male challengers too. I don't think he would have improved much either cause he's such a crybaby. Vinny Foti was another guy who performed bad despite having the size on paper.
Vinny is a good add. Why don't I recall a Nate from AYTO? lol
Rivals 3 - the season you didn't watch. He didn't want to jump out the helicopter, he and Christina were considered the layup team, and he was willing to work with John and his cousin that season to go to the final so he could finish 3rd place. Actually stated it too.
Thanks--I did attempt to watch it this summer and made it through 5 episodes--completely forgot he existed. Gotta love when people are okay playing for 3rd smh
Nate from AYTO has to be up there with worst male challengers too. I don't think he would have improved much either cause he's such a crybaby. Vinny Foti was another guy who performed bad despite having the size on paper.
Vinny is a good add. Why don't I recall a Nate from AYTO? lol
Rivals 3 - the season you didn't watch. He didn't want to jump out the helicopter, he and Christina were considered the layup team, and he was willing to work with John and his cousin that season to go to the final so he could finish 3rd place. Actually stated it too.
Thanks--I did attempt to watch it this summer and made it through 5 episodes--completely forgot he existed. Gotta love when people are okay playing for 3rd smh
Nate from AYTO has to be up there with worst male challengers too. I don't think he would have improved much either cause he's such a crybaby. Vinny Foti was another guy who performed bad despite having the size on paper.
Vinny is a good add. Why don't I recall a Nate from AYTO? lol
Rivals 3 - the season you didn't watch. He didn't want to jump out the helicopter, he and Christina were considered the layup team, and he was willing to work with John and his cousin that season to go to the final so he could finish 3rd place. Actually stated it too.
Thanks--I did attempt to watch it this summer and made it through 5 episodes--completely forgot he existed. Gotta love when people are okay playing for 3rd smh
Pov: Jenn her last 3 seasons.
She was never winning with Mandi so the goal was to get any money. No idea how you think she palyed for third on Cutthroat. Finishing third doesn't mean you played for it. She couldn't have done anything differently.
I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but I'm not a fan of doing challenges in rounds. It just drags out the episode I want to see everybody compete at one time and get it over with. There is no reason to split up the mud challenge on last night's episode.
I agree with this unless it's a girl heat & boy heat then I'll suffice
Battle of the Seasons and Final Reckoning are top tier seasons.
The early seasons BOT Seasons-Gauntlet 2 era are way better than the current seasons.
Seasons 2 is complete trash--there's no competitors on that season. Again, people just like it because of who wasn't there.
XXX >>>>> Vendettas/FR
No competitors on a season that featured Wes, Zach, Frank, Alton, Cara Maria, Camila, CJ, Dustin, and Jonna? Ok whatever. I love that season.
Camila/Cara had no chance because of Easy. Wes had no chance because of Lacey (God Love her for trying). Dustin sucks as you saw in every other season he did. Alton quit. You like it because it wasn't run by the people the typically run it--not because it was good--ratings sucked for many reasons and it causes John to be on for almost a decade straight.
Don't tell me why I like something. Who are you to tell me why I liked a season? I've watched the season several times and I've enjoyed it every rewatch. I don't watch seasons that I dislike over and over again. I have never watched ******* seasons like Fresh Meat more than once. I like messy drama seasons and BOT Seasons had that. True the people that are normally in control werent that season and it was a breath of fresh air. But that's not the only reason I looked it. I liked the fights, missions, cast dynamics and it ushered in a new era of Challengers that was badly needed. Something this show doesn't know how to do anymore. and this season is not responsible for giving us John for the next decade. That right there is castings decision.
Josh is the future of reality tv.
I hope All Stars allows her to pursue her dreams and create a new reality tv ecosystem.
Balls Out on Seasons 2012 is one of the worst elimination rounds ever--they made it better the second time but still not great. But we're on the same page for sure.
This isn't fair to Jenn at all. Jenn had no chance on The Island, she did great to start Cutthroat but her and Emily weren't winning that final because you needed more people, Jenn had no chance in **** with Noor (let's be real about how much better Landon, Kenny and Peter were than him) and same with Rivals--Jenn was the lead girl--put Jenn with Evelyn or Laurel and she does great--plus she was sick.
Also, the goal is to avoid eliminations--Jenn did that as well as anyone. Jenn played a much better game than Wes, John, Cara and Laurel ever did. Laurel > Jenn but Jenn's highly underrated not overrated.
No idea how Tori Deal is on that list--most people bash her. The cast believe she's one of the best. She's actually very similar to Tori Hall other than she tries all the time.
Jenn wasnt the lead girl on rivals, idk why you keep tryna make that happen lmaooo.
All she did was what most women did in that era, which was fall in line to JEK.
What do you mean she wasn't the lead girl? How is Mandi leading that pair or the better competitor? What are you talking about?
She did not fall in line--she played the middle more than anyone and never took orders. You're wrong especially thinking Mandi was somehow better than Jenn.
oh the lead girl in her pair? **** I guess?
You guess she was the lead girl in her pair? Right--you're not being absolutely ridiculous at all. Laurel & Evelyn > Jenn. Cara & Paula > Mandi. Jenn & Mandi had absolutely no chance. Switch Jenn with Cara or Paula then Cara or Paula have no chance.
I have no clue what any of that says but yeah Jenn was the leader between her and Mandi. Nothing to be too happy about but its true nonetheless.
I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but I'm not a fan of doing challenges in rounds. It just drags out the episode I want to see everybody compete at one time and get it over with. There is no reason to split up the mud challenge on last night's episode.
I mean for FM 2 and for FM 1 i can see where you're coming from. But how was he unlucky to lose to Adam or Davis?? Danny's the one who doesn't know how to hold a tackle and didn't have the endurance to keep up with Davis.
I mean that's true Kyle is the most similar in size compared to Nelson and Jordan. But let's be honest Nelson is physically the strongest which is why he gave Fessy the toughest fight.
I personally think Tyrie was on the wrong seasons. He should've did cutthroat, duel 2, and free agents imo. He was never winning with Davis, Jasmine, or Dunbar. Inferno 3 he lost to Alton who's a beast, quit one of the gauntlets (I forgot which one), and the Island you can't really tell who was really good.
This Danny talk is putting me to sleep
Truth be told i think Tyrie had worse luck than Danny. Danny was at least on a winning team on G3.
Ball Brawl was speed based more than "who can tackle". The faster person won it every time. Including Jillian over Janelle. Danny didn't lose to Davis because of endurance IMO--it was due to speed. Danny's definitely slow.
Danny's far from great and maybe "unlucky" is the wrong word but if he gets Ram It Home, Force Field or Ankle Breaker against Adam he probably makes that final.
I agree that he's never winning with those partners but Tyrie despite his size was always considered one of the weaker players. Danny really wasn't. Not that anyone thought Danny was great but better than Tyrie. If Tyrie or Danny were on Cutthroat they might have done okay given those eliminations but both of them, especially Tyrie, would have livid in the Gulag.
That poster said it best. Tyrie had worse luck than Danny. Both talked a bigger game than they could prove though. The only time he was the favorite in his elimination was against Robb/Derek but Dunbar had already mentally checked out before the first elimination and Tyrie tried his best.
then you have guys like Danny Dias, nick brown and Alex from Denver who all looked really bad on their challenge appearance but they only did 1-2 at most. Same with Isaac. You could find a lot of competitors like Isaac from the Golden era that were just there to have fun. Do they compete for worst of all time too? Hard to really say for the males.
unlike the females with Casey and Shavuon, who did numerous challenges and performed really badly.
Nate from AYTO has to be up there with worst male challengers too. I don't think he would have improved much either cause he's such a crybaby. Vinny Foti was another guy who performed bad despite having the size on paper.
I do think the males that were simply awful weren't often invited back--production seemed to care more about competition with the men.
That said, I'd take Danny Jamieson as a partner over Tyrie--and I'd probably take both over Isaac.
Vinny is a good add. Why don't I recall a Nate from AYTO? lol
if basing it one or two challenge appearances, Danny Dias, Nick Brown, Jacquese, Nate (AYTO), Brandon (AYTO), Alex from Denver, Nate from San Diego. That's off the top of my head.
easy will always get criticized for gassing out in the final. But I never felt he was a horrible competitor actually.
Rivals 3 - the season you didn't watch. He didn't want to jump out the helicopter, he and Christina were considered the layup team, and he was willing to work with John and his cousin that season to go to the final so he could finish 3rd place. Actually stated it too.
Thanks--I did attempt to watch it this summer and made it through 5 episodes--completely forgot he existed. Gotta love when people are okay playing for 3rd smh
aint nate like a bodybuilder now, I coulda sworn i saw a photo of him like a year ago where he put on 30-40 pounds of mass
Pov: Jenn her last 3 seasons.
She was never winning with Mandi so the goal was to get any money. No idea how you think she palyed for third on Cutthroat. Finishing third doesn't mean you played for it. She couldn't have done anything differently.
I agree with this unless it's a girl heat & boy heat then I'll suffice
Don't tell me why I like something. Who are you to tell me why I liked a season? I've watched the season several times and I've enjoyed it every rewatch. I don't watch seasons that I dislike over and over again. I have never watched ******* seasons like Fresh Meat more than once. I like messy drama seasons and BOT Seasons had that. True the people that are normally in control werent that season and it was a breath of fresh air. But that's not the only reason I looked it. I liked the fights, missions, cast dynamics and it ushered in a new era of Challengers that was badly needed. Something this show doesn't know how to do anymore. and this season is not responsible for giving us John for the next decade. That right there is castings decision.
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