People also get bored watching people live in a house and party. Plus, you can't have as healthy open discussions these days. So they need a show that will create drama based on circumstances.
exactly they'll have to actually be out doing stuff and being social and creating conversation. Those Bravo shows do a great job at building discussion and beating at that specific topic to death to make content.
I just finished watching Hawaii for the first time (I bought it from a rando on the internet and it's not in a shareable format, sorry) and I wanted to share my thoughts.
The first half of the season was GREAT, but the second half was a little lackluster as it tended to focus on the less interesting/engaging cast members. I think the season actually lacked big moments/drama. There were some, like Ruthie's alcohol issues and Colin/Amaya's up and down relationship, and there was actually indeed a lot of drama, but most of it was just... petty bickering, and not super entertaining. Probably really entertaining in the 90's lol, but to me as a reality TV fan, the back half especially was kinda meh although, like I said, I found the first half of it to be great.
Ruthie was just... amazing. Like she was SUCH a good casting choice. First of all, if there was Bad Girls Club in the 90's, she DEFINITELY would've been cast for it. And I didn't expect that at all considering she was pretty tame/chill on all of her Challenge appearances. But she was just... lowkey out of control and didn't give a DAMN about what anyone else thought lol. It was really great watching her grow throughout the entire experience. You could literally see her growing and understanding herself and having a healthier relationship with herself, especially after coming back from the alcohol program. It's really what the show was all about. And it came pretty full circle to her helping Amaya at the end. She was just a genuine person and unapologetically herself in all of the good and all of the bad moments and I really appreciated that.
Amaya was actually a really good casting choice too! I was too young at the time to be into MTV, but from being a fan of Real World for going on 12 years, I kind of got the impression that viewers at the time found Amaya annoying? And I.... didn't really get that impression. Okay, yes, she could be a little airheaded or sorority girl-ish but it was all harmless. I feel like the editors set her up to be the butt of the joke in the Colin/Amaya relationship and then the weird drama between her and everyone else at the end of the season, but... I think she actually came out of all of that looking like the victim? Colin was clearly their golden boy and they set it up to be like "Oh Amaya is the crazy girl who won't leave him alone" but he was seriously so mean to her and nothing was ever shown on her part to warrant that type of behavior... And then, at the end of the season, Colin's friend visits and it's insinuated that he and Amaya hook up (even though both claim they didn't and I kind of believe it because no incriminating footage was shown and you KNOW the cameramen would've been all over that). And all of the roommates (sans Ruthie) just... gang up on her, start being just outright mean to her and excluding her. And she almost breaks down, but Ruthie helps her find strength in herself to stand up for herself, and it's actually really touching. And I feel like the editing slant was against her, like the viewers are supposed to hate her but again, I'm like... I felt really bad for her?? And like she was the victim/underdog? And it was really nice watching her journey to being comfortable standing up for herself.
Kaia, at first I thought she was great. She was really confident, she had compelling storylines, an interesting personality, plus a BANGIN' body. Then she kind of devolved into this... weird, frumpy, contrived, rude hag. Like seriously she just became SO unlikable. Even her appearance went downhill, as shallow as it is to judge. It was just a weird transformation. She was especially vile towards Amaya at the end and it left a VERY bad taste in my mouth.
Okay, but seriously, was the male casting pool in 1998 that bad? Road Rules that year struck gold with Veronica, Pua, and Ayanna but struck out with Pawel, Shawn, and Yes who all three were boring as sin. And the Hawaii guys were not too much better tbh. Honestly, if I were in charge of casting, I only would've let Colin, Teck, and Yes on their respective shows and recast every other guy.
I'll admit Colin was pretty funny, but overall he was just a smart *** 19 year old. And tha'ts all there really is to say about him.
Teck was cool. He wasn't, like, the deepest person, but he was unabashedly himself. Just a real life-of-the-party kinda dude who was HILARIOUS and had a natural charisma.
Justin was just.... why was he on the show? He seemed like he was miserable the entire time. He was mostly irrelevant until like 2 episodes before he left, where he like... tried to adopt this weird villain persona? But then it didn't even really work and wasn't memorable at all, and then he just quit the show and no one missed him.
Going into the season, I knew pretty much nothing about Matt. And I was open to liking him. But Matt was just... weird as hell! I don't even know how to describe him? He was just this kind of self-righteous dweeb who thought he was SO important/cool but he wasn't. Lol. The thing I couldn't stand about him, and which Ruthie accurately clocked at the end of the season, was that he acted like he was SO concerned with his roommates and he wanted to help them and stuff but it wasn't genuine. He just liked to stir things up and be in the gossip, and that's what's ironic about him going off on Amaya at the end of the season for "spreading negativity" amongst the house when HE was the one who acted nice to everyone's face and talked behind their back. Also he was just weird as ****. I'm sorry. I don't know how else to describe it. He just made me so uncomfortable.
Great breakdown of Hawaii. I'm curious how I'd see Amaya now. Justin and Matt were two of the worst casting choices in the history of the show. Only think I disagree with at all was I didn't think Yes was boring but you said you'd still cast him so not a big disagreement.
Great breakdown of Hawaii. I'm curious how I'd see Amaya now. Justin and Matt were two of the worst casting choices in the history of the show. Only think I disagree with at all was I didn't think Yes was boring but you said you'd still cast him so not a big disagreement.
Yes was on the boring side (still the best of the guys that season), but also very likable... and attractive. Lol.
I didn't listen to it but someone on The Challenge Reddit said 20 Pack from I love Money/I love New York was on Talk of Love and said he was supposed to be on The Real World: Denver but got dropped right before filming.
Nice. I remember when i used to lurk here he wasn't allowed his own thread right?
Hollywood though is a season i can never watch again though. I tried to watch a few episodes but knowing what happened to joey i can't. Especially cause every episode it was "i dont want to die young".
I really would love to see Key West get reunited in their old home cause you are actually able to rent it out. I really liked how NY's homecoming was in the original loft so id love to see seasons who can get back together in their former homes reunite
I think it's funny when I see people asking for this back. But the more I think about it the more I think real world wouldn't work now days. What made real world great was having people from different backgrounds, point of views, different political parties, etc. Making those people learn from each other, grow together or even disagree about it was the great part of it. Now days if they were to cast like they did back then it will get them backlash and different cast members cancelled every week. While I agree some horrible people shouldn't be given a platform & they need to set their limits on who to cast. I also think that not everyone is horrible for having different views than me.
I think it's funny when I see people asking for this back. The more I think about it the more I think real world wouldn't work now days. What made real world great was having people from different backgrounds, point of views, different political parties, etc. Making those people learn from each other, grow together or even disagree about it was the great part of it. Now days if they were to cast like they did back then it will get them backlash and different cast members cancelled every week. While I agree some horrible people shouldn't be given a platform & they need to set their limits on who to cast. I also think that not everyone is horrible for having different views than me.
Agree PR but the problem is the rest of the world doesn't understand it's ok to have a different opinion, or understand that ignorant people can grow and learn. No one is open to hearing other people out or having dialogue, everyone is just all about cancel culture. People don't even really care about the issues. It's just a hunt to bring others down.
I think it's funny when I see people asking for this back. But the more I think about it the more I think real world wouldn't work now days. What made real world great was having people from different backgrounds, point of views, different political parties, etc. Making those people learn from each other, grow together or even disagree about it was the great part of it. Now days if they were to cast like they did back then it will get them backlash and different cast members cancelled every week. While I agree some horrible people shouldn't be given a platform & they need to set their limits on who to cast. I also think that not everyone is horrible for having different views than me.
I agree I'm not sure this show would work nowadays. Before people had these different views due to their upbringing so people were more open to hearing other sides when they were in the house because their side is all they know. Nowadays with social media I feel like people are much more set on their beliefs and most times don't even want to hear the other side. It's just going to be fights with people not budging or opening up.
Yeah i agree with that itll be difficult to get this to be reminiscent of what made Real World great bc of cancel culture over different opinions.
this is a little left field, but a go a round could be casting like people who grew up in a cult or like grew up amish and left that life or something along those lines i feel that would be more difficult to cancel
Didnt they already try to reboot this shit on facebook 2 years ago and it bombed. It's not needed anymore and that rumored road rules return isnt either.
Didnt they already try to reboot this shit on facebook 2 years ago and it bombed. It's not needed anymore and that rumored road rules return isnt either.
Well, they are planning on both. I can actually see road rules working more than real world imo
Didnt they already try to reboot this shit on facebook 2 years ago and it bombed. It's not needed anymore and that rumored road rules return isnt either.
Well, they are planning on both. I can actually see road rules working more than real world imo
Isn't road rules basically like a condensed show of the challenge lol. They should try to fuse the two and have them living in a house while competing in carnival games in their backyard like big brother. No elimination battles, just voting people off and one winner. May the best social player win... so maybe a nany archetype will finally win *giggles*
Didnt they already try to reboot this shit on facebook 2 years ago and it bombed. It's not needed anymore and that rumored road rules return isnt either.
Well, they are planning on both. I can actually see road rules working more than real world imo
Isn't road rules basically like a condensed show of the challenge lol. They should try to fuse the two and have them living in a house while competing in carnival games in their backyard like big brother. No elimination battles, just voting people off and one winner. May the best social player win... so maybe a nany archetype will finally win *giggles*
i feel like a better comparison for Road Rules would almost be Amazing Race to an extent due to the traveling, other than Viewers Revenge, to my understanding Road Rules never had eliminations/face offs and people only got voted off if they couldnt complete the mission/task
one winner would be dumb but yeah road rules honestly doesnt need much tweaking. it was pretty straight forward and you got the both of best worlds (cast dynamics & competition).
I don't care for new seasons with new people since the format is played out but the reunited season was amazing. I would love more of those, so nostalgic and fun
Yeah i agree with that itll be difficult to get this to be reminiscent of what made Real World great bc of cancel culture over different opinions.
this is a little left field, but a go a round could be casting like people who grew up in a cult or like grew up amish and left that life or something along those lines i feel that would be more difficult to cancel
i think they have done that before on other programs
Yeah i agree with that itll be difficult to get this to be reminiscent of what made Real World great bc of cancel culture over different opinions.
this is a little left field, but a go a round could be casting like people who grew up in a cult or like grew up amish and left that life or something along those lines i feel that would be more difficult to cancel
i think they have done that before on other programs
yeah i think theres even like whole "Breaking Amish" shows and such, i meant it from like theyre not gonna cast a super conservative person anymore bc of cancel culture, so a workaround could be like casting someone who like grew up in a cult, or was amish or grew up in other more non-traditional ways could sorta fill that void i guess
personally i dont even see a Trumpie/far right wacko wanting to do a show like this nowadays anyways, but we all know how those wackos love attention lmaoo
one winner would be dumb but yeah road rules honestly doesnt need much tweaking. it was pretty straight forward and you got the both of best worlds (cast dynamics & competition).
Lol MTV would never allow ridiculousness to be off the schedule.
exactly they'll have to actually be out doing stuff and being social and creating conversation. Those Bravo shows do a great job at building discussion and beating at that specific topic to death to make content.
I wouldnt be surprised if they push for Austin to be the reunited cast
I just finished watching Hawaii for the first time (I bought it from a rando on the internet and it's not in a shareable format, sorry) and I wanted to share my thoughts.
The first half of the season was GREAT, but the second half was a little lackluster as it tended to focus on the less interesting/engaging cast members. I think the season actually lacked big moments/drama. There were some, like Ruthie's alcohol issues and Colin/Amaya's up and down relationship, and there was actually indeed a lot of drama, but most of it was just... petty bickering, and not super entertaining. Probably really entertaining in the 90's lol, but to me as a reality TV fan, the back half especially was kinda meh although, like I said, I found the first half of it to be great.
Ruthie was just... amazing. Like she was SUCH a good casting choice. First of all, if there was Bad Girls Club in the 90's, she DEFINITELY would've been cast for it. And I didn't expect that at all considering she was pretty tame/chill on all of her Challenge appearances. But she was just... lowkey out of control and didn't give a DAMN about what anyone else thought lol. It was really great watching her grow throughout the entire experience. You could literally see her growing and understanding herself and having a healthier relationship with herself, especially after coming back from the alcohol program. It's really what the show was all about. And it came pretty full circle to her helping Amaya at the end. She was just a genuine person and unapologetically herself in all of the good and all of the bad moments and I really appreciated that.
Amaya was actually a really good casting choice too! I was too young at the time to be into MTV, but from being a fan of Real World for going on 12 years, I kind of got the impression that viewers at the time found Amaya annoying? And I.... didn't really get that impression. Okay, yes, she could be a little airheaded or sorority girl-ish but it was all harmless. I feel like the editors set her up to be the butt of the joke in the Colin/Amaya relationship and then the weird drama between her and everyone else at the end of the season, but... I think she actually came out of all of that looking like the victim? Colin was clearly their golden boy and they set it up to be like "Oh Amaya is the crazy girl who won't leave him alone" but he was seriously so mean to her and nothing was ever shown on her part to warrant that type of behavior... And then, at the end of the season, Colin's friend visits and it's insinuated that he and Amaya hook up (even though both claim they didn't and I kind of believe it because no incriminating footage was shown and you KNOW the cameramen would've been all over that). And all of the roommates (sans Ruthie) just... gang up on her, start being just outright mean to her and excluding her. And she almost breaks down, but Ruthie helps her find strength in herself to stand up for herself, and it's actually really touching. And I feel like the editing slant was against her, like the viewers are supposed to hate her but again, I'm like... I felt really bad for her?? And like she was the victim/underdog? And it was really nice watching her journey to being comfortable standing up for herself.
Kaia, at first I thought she was great. She was really confident, she had compelling storylines, an interesting personality, plus a BANGIN' body. Then she kind of devolved into this... weird, frumpy, contrived, rude hag. Like seriously she just became SO unlikable. Even her appearance went downhill, as shallow as it is to judge. It was just a weird transformation. She was especially vile towards Amaya at the end and it left a VERY bad taste in my mouth.
Okay, but seriously, was the male casting pool in 1998 that bad? Road Rules that year struck gold with Veronica, Pua, and Ayanna but struck out with Pawel, Shawn, and Yes who all three were boring as sin. And the Hawaii guys were not too much better tbh. Honestly, if I were in charge of casting, I only would've let Colin, Teck, and Yes on their respective shows and recast every other guy.
I'll admit Colin was pretty funny, but overall he was just a smart *** 19 year old. And tha'ts all there really is to say about him.
Teck was cool. He wasn't, like, the deepest person, but he was unabashedly himself. Just a real life-of-the-party kinda dude who was HILARIOUS and had a natural charisma.
Justin was just.... why was he on the show? He seemed like he was miserable the entire time. He was mostly irrelevant until like 2 episodes before he left, where he like... tried to adopt this weird villain persona? But then it didn't even really work and wasn't memorable at all, and then he just quit the show and no one missed him.
Going into the season, I knew pretty much nothing about Matt. And I was open to liking him. But Matt was just... weird as hell! I don't even know how to describe him? He was just this kind of self-righteous dweeb who thought he was SO important/cool but he wasn't. Lol. The thing I couldn't stand about him, and which Ruthie accurately clocked at the end of the season, was that he acted like he was SO concerned with his roommates and he wanted to help them and stuff but it wasn't genuine. He just liked to stir things up and be in the gossip, and that's what's ironic about him going off on Amaya at the end of the season for "spreading negativity" amongst the house when HE was the one who acted nice to everyone's face and talked behind their back. Also he was just weird as ****. I'm sorry. I don't know how else to describe it. He just made me so uncomfortable.
I remember the casuals saying Real World went downhill starting with Hawaii
Great breakdown of Hawaii. I'm curious how I'd see Amaya now. Justin and Matt were two of the worst casting choices in the history of the show. Only think I disagree with at all was I didn't think Yes was boring but you said you'd still cast him so not a big disagreement.
Yes was on the boring side (still the best of the guys that season), but also very likable... and attractive. Lol.
Where can I watch old real world seasons?
Who was the girl that got production mad because she kept changing her clothes multiple times per day? Was it Violetta or someone else?
yeah I'm pretty sure it was queen v
I didn't listen to it but someone on The Challenge Reddit said 20 Pack from I love Money/I love New York was on Talk of Love and said he was supposed to be on The Real World: Denver but got dropped right before filming.
Nice. I remember when i used to lurk here he wasn't allowed his own thread right?
Hollywood though is a season i can never watch again though. I tried to watch a few episodes but knowing what happened to joey i can't. Especially cause every episode it was "i dont want to die young".
I really would love to see Key West get reunited in their old home cause you are actually able to rent it out. I really liked how NY's homecoming was in the original loft so id love to see seasons who can get back together in their former homes reunite
I think it's funny when I see people asking for this back. But the more I think about it the more I think real world wouldn't work now days. What made real world great was having people from different backgrounds, point of views, different political parties, etc. Making those people learn from each other, grow together or even disagree about it was the great part of it. Now days if they were to cast like they did back then it will get them backlash and different cast members cancelled every week. While I agree some horrible people shouldn't be given a platform & they need to set their limits on who to cast. I also think that not everyone is horrible for having different views than me.
Agree PR but the problem is the rest of the world doesn't understand it's ok to have a different opinion, or understand that ignorant people can grow and learn. No one is open to hearing other people out or having dialogue, everyone is just all about cancel culture. People don't even really care about the issues. It's just a hunt to bring others down.
I agree I'm not sure this show would work nowadays. Before people had these different views due to their upbringing so people were more open to hearing other sides when they were in the house because their side is all they know. Nowadays with social media I feel like people are much more set on their beliefs and most times don't even want to hear the other side. It's just going to be fights with people not budging or opening up.
Yeah i agree with that itll be difficult to get this to be reminiscent of what made Real World great bc of cancel culture over different opinions.
this is a little left field, but a go a round could be casting like people who grew up in a cult or like grew up amish and left that life or something along those lines i feel that would be more difficult to cancel
Didnt they already try to reboot this shit on facebook 2 years ago and it bombed. It's not needed anymore and that rumored road rules return isnt either.
Well, they are planning on both. I can actually see road rules working more than real world imo
Isn't road rules basically like a condensed show of the challenge lol. They should try to fuse the two and have them living in a house while competing in carnival games in their backyard like big brother. No elimination battles, just voting people off and one winner. May the best social player win... so maybe a nany archetype will finally win *giggles*
i feel like a better comparison for Road Rules would almost be Amazing Race to an extent due to the traveling, other than Viewers Revenge, to my understanding Road Rules never had eliminations/face offs and people only got voted off if they couldnt complete the mission/task
one winner would be dumb but yeah road rules honestly doesnt need much tweaking. it was pretty straight forward and you got the both of best worlds (cast dynamics & competition).
I don't care for new seasons with new people since the format is played out but the reunited season was amazing. I would love more of those, so nostalgic and fun
i think they have done that before on other programs
yeah i think theres even like whole "Breaking Amish" shows and such, i meant it from like theyre not gonna cast a super conservative person anymore bc of cancel culture, so a workaround could be like casting someone who like grew up in a cult, or was amish or grew up in other more non-traditional ways could sorta fill that void i guess
personally i dont even see a Trumpie/far right wacko wanting to do a show like this nowadays anyways, but we all know how those wackos love attention lmaoo
I think a good diverse cast would be something like:
1. A first generation college student type of character
2. A transgendered person just starting to live their truth
3. A gay/lesbian/pan person who may have recently come out
4. A gay/lesbian/pan person who's been out for awhile
5. Someone who grew up in a cult/super religious household trying to break away from their upbringing
6. A POC active in their community
7. A POC who may not have grown up around other POC and may have not had a chance to fully understand their roots bc of whitewashing
8. traditional frat/sorority stereotype, who while may not be a trumpie, may still carry some biases
I wonder if people would watch that. I feel like could work if people were 18-22 not 24+
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