ThatCoralLover wrote:Jonna is a level above Casey. Are you guys serious? On FA she was only better than the girls on her season. Every other girl was better than her.
that was why Laurel wanted Jonna out really bad on FA, cause she sucks, makes sense
People tend to ignore the fact that Laurel definitely wanted Jonna out as early as possible because Jonna was one of the biggest threats to her in a final. Yeah, she's not Aneesa, Cara or Theresa and Laurel wasn't worried about her in an elimination round but she knew she was a threat at the end.
Laurel said she had no ties to her so she was just up to go not, I see her as a threat. Laurel will say if someone is a threat to her. That's why she sent in Annesa later on instead of Jonna.
Don't fool yourself. Laurel does nothing without it being part of a bigger plan. Laurel threw in Jonna for the sake of the bigger picture.
I usually agree with you but Aneesa, Theresa, Nany, Camila, Nia were a bigger threat than Jonna in the bigger picture. Jonna doesn't suck at endurance but she's not at Paula's level. As far as puzzles go, I don't see her being any better than Laurel, Devyn or Aneesa.
KVM, I think the strategical aspect of getting Jonna out was that she was one vote against her. Laurel did vote for Jonna when she and Cohutta won the mission. Then Jonna returned the favore and sent her in. Laurel did not view Jonna as a threat in a final, missions, or elimination, but simply as a threat of a vote to herself to be sent into elimination.
If it is about a vote then you send in Emilee or Devyn since you know they're going home. At that point of the game Laurel didn't know all the eliminations were going to be physical.
Emilee was gone after the first time Laurel voted for Jonna. It can very well be that she didn't have any relation with Jonna. Then after Jonna voted for her, Laurel thought to herself, "**** her, I need her out cause she's gonna vote for me if given the chance again." Also at that point, Devyn ousted Theresa as a snake to Laurel, so Laurel thought of Devyn as a trustworthy person. And when Devyn won the trivia challenge, she sent Theresa over Laurel, which is probably why Laurel didn't choose to vote for Devyn at all.Jonna is great. She was a good teammate and a great pair with Nany, but to someone in the Caliber of Laurel and it not being a team challenge, Jonna isn't an asset to have, especially if the votes are not in your favor.
I think that Laurel's decision to throw in Jonna was brilliant and you're minimizing it. Laurel made a move that wouldn't be seen as strong but one that helped her long term. Devyn only sent in Theresa because of Laurel's hitlist. No one would ever send in Devyn--you take her to the final or hope you get to go against her at some point in an elimination
I'm not minimizing anything. I think it helped her, since Jonna was not voting with Laurel if she had the chance. Your arguement was that Laurel viewed her as a threat in a final. My arguement was, she was a threat simply because she was not voting for her. Both valid reasons to vote for Laurel. I simply believe, you're just over estimated Jonna intimidation factor as a competitior in FA season.
Not at all. Jonna wasn't the same person she was during Free Agents that she was on Rivals or Seasons. Unfortunately Zach ****** her up royally.Laurel knew that whomever she picked would go against Theresa, Cara Maria, Nia or Emilee. 3 of those 4 are going to beat Jonna in anything physical. And, if she gets lucky, Jonna could beat them in something strategic or mental. It was a great risk for her game.I find it insane that anyone who watched Jonna compete in the mini-final on Seasons doesn't think she could have put up a similar performance to Nany in the Free Agents final
Fair enough. But Laurel is a tough cookie and was viewed as very dominant in the FA season, and I humbly do not think SHE did not view Jonna as a threat. I'm not saying , I don't believe Jonna wouldn't be able to performed well in a Final, but instead, that Laurel herself did not view her as a threat. I believe you're overinflating Laurel's strategic vote on Jonna.
ThatCoralLover wrote:Jonna is a level above Casey. Are you guys serious? On FA she was only better than the girls on her season. Every other girl was better than her.
that was why Laurel wanted Jonna out really bad on FA, cause she sucks, makes sense
People tend to ignore the fact that Laurel definitely wanted Jonna out as early as possible because Jonna was one of the biggest threats to her in a final. Yeah, she's not Aneesa, Cara or Theresa and Laurel wasn't worried about her in an elimination round but she knew she was a threat at the end.
Laurel said she had no ties to her so she was just up to go not, I see her as a threat. Laurel will say if someone is a threat to her. That's why she sent in Annesa later on instead of Jonna.
Don't fool yourself. Laurel does nothing without it being part of a bigger plan. Laurel threw in Jonna for the sake of the bigger picture.
I usually agree with you but Aneesa, Theresa, Nany, Camila, Nia were a bigger threat than Jonna in the bigger picture. Jonna doesn't suck at endurance but she's not at Paula's level. As far as puzzles go, I don't see her being any better than Laurel, Devyn or Aneesa.
Oh, we don't disagree...those girls are bigger threats (well, Nany is debatable) but they were also bigger threats to get power. Taking a shot at Jonna is hedging your bets. A shot at someone that could be a threat at the end but is unlikely to really have power to make you pay for sending her in. I'd take Jonna in a puzzle over Devyn for sure...Laurel is debatable. Aneesa is probably slightly better at puzzles.
I don't see Jonna being a threat at the end either. Can she finish a final? Yes. If she gets to a final, most likely she will be in 3rd place. In FA she lost to Aneesa in an elimination that she did already. To me, someone like Paula is a threat if she's at the end.
Aneesa is far stronger than Jonna. Aneesa beats most girls on Wrecking Wall. Aneesa also gave Laurel one **** of a run in Oppenheimer. If she had lost to Jessica, LaToya, Nany, Devyn, Jemmye, etc you'd have a point but losing to Aneesa is far from shameful. Jonna's losses are all pretty solid during her challenge run. Jonna is VERY similar to Paula. Only smarter.
Jonna smarter than Paula. Lol. Paula can win a final, Jonna cannot. Nicole R would be closer to a Paula. Anyways we'll have to agree to disagree. It'll just be a lot of back and forth.
Paula won a final partnered with Evelyn and Emily S. Jonna would win a final with either one of them. So would pretty much anyone.By "back and forth" you mean you saying idiotic things based on your bias.
Please see Ty and Danny. Thank you. Guess that would fall under idiotic things based on your bias. Next time you're going to throw insults please be specific or else you might make yourself look stupid. I thought we could hold a conversation without being rude. My mistake. Bye now.
Danny and Evelyn didn't run a finalTy sucked ***. If he was average they would have won Exes because he had the best female partnerIf you think that Paula didn't have the best female partner in both those seasons then you're a ******* idiot
wym. aneesa had the best partner on rivals 1. and camila had the best partner on rivals 2.
ThatCoralLover wrote:Jonna is a level above Casey. Are you guys serious? On FA she was only better than the girls on her season. Every other girl was better than her.
that was why Laurel wanted Jonna out really bad on FA, cause she sucks, makes sense
People tend to ignore the fact that Laurel definitely wanted Jonna out as early as possible because Jonna was one of the biggest threats to her in a final. Yeah, she's not Aneesa, Cara or Theresa and Laurel wasn't worried about her in an elimination round but she knew she was a threat at the end.
Laurel said she had no ties to her so she was just up to go not, I see her as a threat. Laurel will say if someone is a threat to her. That's why she sent in Annesa later on instead of Jonna.
Don't fool yourself. Laurel does nothing without it being part of a bigger plan. Laurel threw in Jonna for the sake of the bigger picture.
I usually agree with you but Aneesa, Theresa, Nany, Camila, Nia were a bigger threat than Jonna in the bigger picture. Jonna doesn't suck at endurance but she's not at Paula's level. As far as puzzles go, I don't see her being any better than Laurel, Devyn or Aneesa.
Oh, we don't disagree...those girls are bigger threats (well, Nany is debatable) but they were also bigger threats to get power. Taking a shot at Jonna is hedging your bets. A shot at someone that could be a threat at the end but is unlikely to really have power to make you pay for sending her in. I'd take Jonna in a puzzle over Devyn for sure...Laurel is debatable. Aneesa is probably slightly better at puzzles.
I don't see Jonna being a threat at the end either. Can she finish a final? Yes. If she gets to a final, most likely she will be in 3rd place. In FA she lost to Aneesa in an elimination that she did already. To me, someone like Paula is a threat if she's at the end.
Aneesa is far stronger than Jonna. Aneesa beats most girls on Wrecking Wall. Aneesa also gave Laurel one **** of a run in Oppenheimer. If she had lost to Jessica, LaToya, Nany, Devyn, Jemmye, etc you'd have a point but losing to Aneesa is far from shameful. Jonna's losses are all pretty solid during her challenge run. Jonna is VERY similar to Paula. Only smarter.
Jonna smarter than Paula. Lol. Paula can win a final, Jonna cannot. Nicole R would be closer to a Paula. Anyways we'll have to agree to disagree. It'll just be a lot of back and forth.
Paula won a final partnered with Evelyn and Emily S. Jonna would win a final with either one of them. So would pretty much anyone.By "back and forth" you mean you saying idiotic things based on your bias.
Please see Ty and Danny. Thank you. Guess that would fall under idiotic things based on your bias. Next time you're going to throw insults please be specific or else you might make yourself look stupid. I thought we could hold a conversation without being rude. My mistake. Bye now.
Danny and Evelyn didn't run a finalTy sucked ***. If he was average they would have won Exes because he had the best female partnerIf you think that Paula didn't have the best female partner in both those seasons then you're a ******* idiot
wym. aneesa had the best partner on rivals 1. and camila had the best partner on rivals 2.
Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
I think Cara beats her without that broken arm. Cara was getting to where even Laurel realized she's a serious threat.
jergatlin5 wrote:Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
jergatlin5 wrote:Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
I think Cara beats her without that broken arm. Cara was getting to where even Laurel realized she's a serious threat.
Doubt it but I didn't include her as someone that could have put up a fight because she had a broken arm. Truthfully they should have sent her home
jergatlin5 wrote:Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
I think Cara beats her without that broken arm. Cara was getting to where even Laurel realized she's a serious threat.
Doubt it but I didn't include her as someone that could have put up a fight because she had a broken arm. Truthfully they should have sent her home
I saw a will from her I'd never seen before in a challenge she wanted it more than I'd seen ever from her. She fought through pain like when Evan almost died on FM. Nany and Theresa don't have that .
jergatlin5 wrote:Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
I think Cara beats her without that broken arm. Cara was getting to where even Laurel realized she's a serious threat.
Doubt it but I didn't include her as someone that could have put up a fight because she had a broken arm. Truthfully they should have sent her home
I saw a will from her I'd never seen before in a challenge she wanted it more than I'd seen ever from her. She fought through pain like when Evan almost died on FM. Nany and Theresa don't have that .
It was like when Wes was fading on the Rivals 2 final and CT held it together for both of them. CT probably would have thrown Wes on the stretcher with the body bags and carried them both. It comes from losing so much that his will was just there. That's what Cara had, but she just happened to be going up against arguably the best girl in history.
jergatlin5 wrote:Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
I think Cara beats her without that broken arm. Cara was getting to where even Laurel realized she's a serious threat.
Doubt it but I didn't include her as someone that could have put up a fight because she had a broken arm. Truthfully they should have sent her home
I saw a will from her I'd never seen before in a challenge she wanted it more than I'd seen ever from her. She fought through pain like when Evan almost died on FM. Nany and Theresa don't have that .
cara's long distance endurance on FA was never put on display so its hard to assess how well she would've done against laurel. nany already showed that she could keep up on the feet. remember the end of the volcano where she was litearlly a couple of seconds behind laurel. she lost a bit of time on the run up hill, but moreso on the bike and canoe. on the feet she was quite ocmpetitive
jergatlin5 wrote:Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
I think Cara beats her without that broken arm. Cara was getting to where even Laurel realized she's a serious threat.
Doubt it but I didn't include her as someone that could have put up a fight because she had a broken arm. Truthfully they should have sent her home
I saw a will from her I'd never seen before in a challenge she wanted it more than I'd seen ever from her. She fought through pain like when Evan almost died on FM. Nany and Theresa don't have that .
she didnt really show that wil during rivals 2 when she botched the body bags in the finale. theres no telling how cara wouldve done in the finale because we didnt really see any long endurance feats from her that season. even in the swamp she didnt exactly leave anyone in the dust before her hand became a disability in the digging
jonna is a great runner but she would have serious issues if they had to move anything heavy. i could see jonna beating laurel in a straight up marathon but the problem is half of the finals involve the movement of some kind of heavy weight. you usually have to run while carrying something heavy like a stretcher or boulder.
Jonna, Nany, Mandi and Averey would have been girls that were consistently making it to the end or close to the end around the time of The Gauntlets through The Ruins. They were just in the wrong era.
i think it goes mandi < jonna < nany < averey
averey probably has the most potential out of those four. shes fearless and undeterred by heights and according to sarah, very strong and obviously physical based on what we've seen from her altercation with nia. from what i heard, averey, camila and sarah were the first ones to jump out of the helicopter when skydiving during rivals 3
Jenna is definitely one of the more top-tier girls of this Challenge era, but I think she needs a solid elimination win to really solidify her status. Maybe this Challenge will be her “breakout” season.
shes good but shes not even close to being one of the best girls of the era. the gap between sarah and jenna last season was ridiculous. if she wants to be considered top tier then she better put up a spectacular performance this season
Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
jergatlin5 wrote:Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
Fair enough. But Laurel is a tough cookie and was viewed as very dominant in the FA season, and I humbly do not think SHE did not view Jonna as a threat. I'm not saying , I don't believe Jonna wouldn't be able to performed well in a Final, but instead, that Laurel herself did not view her as a threat. I believe you're overinflating Laurel's strategic vote on Jonna.
wym. aneesa had the best partner on rivals 1. and camila had the best partner on rivals 2.
Sigh
maybe she can have Laurel as a rival and according to kvm that will be a guarantee win. she jus has to show up. don't @ me.
Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
I think Cara beats her without that broken arm. Cara was getting to where even Laurel realized she's a serious threat.
No she doesn't.
Doubt it but I didn't include her as someone that could have put up a fight because she had a broken arm. Truthfully they should have sent her home
I saw a will from her I'd never seen before in a challenge she wanted it more than I'd seen ever from her. She fought through pain like when Evan almost died on FM. Nany and Theresa don't have that .
It was like when Wes was fading on the Rivals 2 final and CT held it together for both of them. CT probably would have thrown Wes on the stretcher with the body bags and carried them both. It comes from losing so much that his will was just there. That's what Cara had, but she just happened to be going up against arguably the best girl in history.
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cara's long distance endurance on FA was never put on display so its hard to assess how well she would've done against laurel. nany already showed that she could keep up on the feet. remember the end of the volcano where she was litearlly a couple of seconds behind laurel. she lost a bit of time on the run up hill, but moreso on the bike and canoe. on the feet she was quite ocmpetitive
she didnt really show that wil during rivals 2 when she botched the body bags in the finale. theres no telling how cara wouldve done in the finale because we didnt really see any long endurance feats from her that season. even in the swamp she didnt exactly leave anyone in the dust before her hand became a disability in the digging
jonna is a great runner but she would have serious issues if they had to move anything heavy. i could see jonna beating laurel in a straight up marathon but the problem is half of the finals involve the movement of some kind of heavy weight. you usually have to run while carrying something heavy like a stretcher or boulder.
i think it goes mandi < jonna < nany < averey
averey probably has the most potential out of those four. shes fearless and undeterred by heights and according to sarah, very strong and obviously physical based on what we've seen from her altercation with nia. from what i heard, averey, camila and sarah were the first ones to jump out of the helicopter when skydiving during rivals 3
shes good but shes not even close to being one of the best girls of the era. the gap between sarah and jenna last season was ridiculous. if she wants to be considered top tier then she better put up a spectacular performance this season
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Cara. she lives for that stuff.
yes she does
and who is this ?
Some useless girl from AYTO probably.
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Yeah, it looks like another one of those ordinary -looking, uneventful rags from that **** show. No thank you.
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