Ok so the trailer is blocked at work and won't play on my phone but I did see the clip on the top of CT carrying Diem and the look on his face nearly ripped my heart out!!
Ok so the trailer is blocked at work and won't play on my phone but I did see the clip on the top of CT carrying Diem and the look on his face nearly ripped my heart out!!
What else with them is in this trailer?
Scenes with different challenges, introducing AYTO and showing TJ reveal the twist to remaining players. Plus some house drama of course!
Ok so the trailer is blocked at work and won't play on my phone but I did see the clip on the top of CT carrying Diem and the look on his face nearly ripped my heart out!!
What else with them is in this trailer?
Scenes with different challenges, introducing AYTO and showing TJ reveal the twist to remaining players. Plus some house drama of course!
Ok so the trailer is blocked at work and won't play on my phone but I did see the clip on the top of CT carrying Diem and the look on his face nearly ripped my heart out!!
What else with them is in this trailer?
Scenes with different challenges, introducing AYTO and showing TJ reveal the twist to remaining players. Plus some house drama of course!
Ok so CT/Diem stuff?
there was the first scene where ct is carrying her, and other one where brittany says "money doesnt mean anything if you dont have somone to care about " while diem is in bed and ct is next to her.
Diem only appears on the first height challenge that we saw on the preview, but i didnt see her or ct on other mission.
Ok so the trailer is blocked at work and won't play on my phone but I did see the clip on the top of CT carrying Diem and the look on his face nearly ripped my heart out!!
What else with them is in this trailer?
Scenes with different challenges, introducing AYTO and showing TJ reveal the twist to remaining players. Plus some house drama of course!
Ok so CT/Diem stuff?
Not much. It shows him pick her up and carry her and later is a quick shot of her laying in bed smiling at him? It shows Knight and Jemmye kiss as well.
Ok so the trailer is blocked at work and won't play on my phone but I did see the clip on the top of CT carrying Diem and the look on his face nearly ripped my heart out!!
What else with them is in this trailer?
Scenes with different challenges, introducing AYTO and showing TJ reveal the twist to remaining players. Plus some house drama of course!
Ok so CT/Diem stuff?
Not much. It shows him pick her up and carry her and later is a quick shot of her laying in bed smiling at him? It shows Knight and Jemmye kiss as well.
it looked like that kiss was a part of the challenge/mission cuz they were wearing helmets.
Ok so the trailer is blocked at work and won't play on my phone but I did see the clip on the top of CT carrying Diem and the look on his face nearly ripped my heart out!!
What else with them is in this trailer?
Scenes with different challenges, introducing AYTO and showing TJ reveal the twist to remaining players. Plus some house drama of course!
Ok so CT/Diem stuff?
Not much. It shows him pick her up and carry her and later is a quick shot of her laying in bed smiling at him? It shows Knight and Jemmye kiss as well.
it looked like that kiss was a part of the challenge/mission cuz they were wearing helmets.
Yes, I think so. There is something between their lips.
Ok so the trailer is blocked at work and won't play on my phone but I did see the clip on the top of CT carrying Diem and the look on his face nearly ripped my heart out!!
What else with them is in this trailer?
Scenes with different challenges, introducing AYTO and showing TJ reveal the twist to remaining players. Plus some house drama of course!
Ok so CT/Diem stuff?
Not much. It shows him pick her up and carry her and later is a quick shot of her laying in bed smiling at him? It shows Knight and Jemmye kiss as well.
it looked like that kiss was a part of the challenge/mission cuz they were wearing helmets.
Yes, I think so. There is something between their lips.
Yeah. Now that I've watched it again (a few times LOL), I think you're right. What looked like a kiss is actually not. Sorry!
CT did look a little uneasy in that scene when he picked her up, maybe that could just be me overthinking it. Do we think that was when she was having those stomach pains or just a cute moment?
But ugh i wish they would of showed more of them but i have a feeling we'll get a lot when the actual episodes come on
CT did look a little uneasy in that scene when he picked her up, maybe that could just be me overthinking it. Do we think that was when she was having those stomach pains or just a cute moment?
But ugh i wish they would of showed more of them but i have a feeling we'll get a lot when the actual episodes come on
Not a cute moment. I think he was carrying her for medical attention (she didnt really look coherent) and his face was pure sadness and fear.
CT did look a little uneasy in that scene when he picked her up, maybe that could just be me overthinking it. Do we think that was when she was having those stomach pains or just a cute moment?
But ugh i wish they would of showed more of them but i have a feeling we'll get a lot when the actual episodes come on
Not a cute moment. I think he was carrying her for medical attention (she didnt really look coherent) and his face was pure sadness and fear.
She'll be in 3 episodes.
I don't know about coherence, but she did look like she was hurtin'... hands and body looked clenched. Bless her heart. I'm so glad that they were there together and he was there to carry her literally.
Wow, so today is a month. It does not feel like a month. I am still sad, but have started to distract myself with other things.... however I still watch clips of her often. I am still mad that she wanted to live so bad and couldn't. Still sad she didn't gt her "white picket fence". And nervous and excited about the Challenge. Excited to see her but nervous what will be shown. Then we have to come to terms that this is the last time we'll ever see D on a Challenge.
It doesn't feel like a month to me either. I have to think of Diem as being happy and free in heaven smiling down on all of us; it brings me comfort. I know when the challenge comes on again on January 6th, I will be having so many mixed feelings. I probably will record the show rather than watch live and read about the episode online before I watch. I think that will help me to deal with my emotions a little better. Diem is so very missed and always in our hearts.
I can give you an overview too. I didn't steer you wrong about the special. We'll get through it <3
Hey sweet girl, got your messages. I meant to respond to them but just having a pretty busy day with work so I will get back to you soon. Thank you so much for giving me the 411 on everything!! It's tough for sure but I am looking for more previews to come out showing Chris and Diem being happy together, the good times. Hugs.
I am posting for the first time on Vevmo so would appreciate everyones patience with me; I have been lurking and reading comments accross many websites to gain some knowledge of Diem Brown. I am still a bit unsure why Diem Browns passing has really impacted me these past few weeks, its a bit strange as I had basically not followed the The Challenge Shows for a number of years. Her story initially caught me due to my own family experience with cancer and then as I learned more about MedGift and her passion for life I came to admire her spirit and her never give up attitude.
I have explored the various websites on her time at MTV, read blogs, read her interviews on Tumblr, watched BOTE, Rivals and generally just enjoyed the journey of watching her life's impact on people. She lived life to the fullest, overcame her fears and did a number of admirable things that she will be long remembered for. I would certainly consider her a role model for my own daughter.
I understand the CT relationship is a common core of the story.....I have read so many different opinions on the subject that it becomes confusing with fact versus reality. You want the fairy tale ending, I get that, but the fact they were so incredibly private on the matter make things difficult to undertand. I do believe Diem being a public figure had to protect her brand out in the market place to move her MedGift agenda forward and took steps to control the messaging.......thus her unhappeness with the editing from Rivals and her stating she would never do another.
My own personal opinion is that after her second bout with ovarion cancer she returned to Rivals resulting in CT and herself reconciling their relationship. Over the course of the last 18 months of her life they seemed to have shared a number of events together as well as holidays....no idea if they were exclusive, but I suspect if Diem called, CT went, she had that hold on him. I also think the Brown family truly loves Sasan and tolerated CT (due to Diems love for him)....lets face it, CT could be a handfull and was not shy in calling Diem out on some of these shows (she did state in a MTV interview she thought the "bad boys" were more interesting to date which lends itself to her attraction to CT).
Looking at it strictly from a guys perspective and what I have learned these past few weeks.......I do in fact believe Diem was the love of CT's life, I think they shared common experiences all over the world that formed an incredible bond and love.....she influenced him, guided him for the better.....I also believe he is going to struggle during the grieving process. ....I also admire how he is handling the social media portion of this over the past month.
One last comment, in the memorial video near the end there is a portion that states she shared "her love" and there is a photo of Sasan, her Sorority, then the photo of her and CT earlier this year...sorry no family puts a photo like that in a tribute video if its a fake romance (or showmance). If you read into this portion of the video its obvious that her two great relationships were Sasan and CT.....I get the feeling CT was in fact her greatest love....she kept it protected and private out of respect to many others in her life.
She lead the good fight, role model and friend.......you cannot ask for more.
Thanks for listening, I needed to get my thoughts out there.
I thihnk she kept her relationship with him private because people only saw what they saw and TV and TV made it look like he was a complete *** to her so if they would be public with their relationship I can only imagine the horrible things people would be saying to her about how she gave CT another chance. I also did notice that CT follows all of Diems family on Instagram and other social media which to me seems theat him & Diem were togeather or her family did actually like him because I do not know why else you would follow them on social media especially Instagram.
I think Diem kept her relationship private because she was a private person. People tend to forget that she never really talked about Sasan either; I think that is just the way that she was. When it comes to CT, I think she kept a low profile with him because people are always in their business. Some fans or viewers think that they know everything and use the excuse, "I saw it on TV". Those type of people are so judgemental and were so cruel after Rivals 2, they wouldnt understand. They dont know what happens off screen in reality. Bottom line is that CT and Diem did love each other and cared about each other beyond the storyline line MTV tried to give them. If they wanted to keep it private so be it. It doesnt matter what is said now. People can deny the truth and others can defend a lie, people will belive what they belive.
I think Diem kept her relationship private because she was a private person. People tend to forget that she never really talked about Sasan either; I think that is just the way that she was. When it comes to CT, I think she kept a low profile with him because people are always in their business. Some fans or viewers think that they know everything and use the excuse, "I saw it on TV". Those type of people are so judgemental and were so cruel after Rivals 2, they wouldnt understand. They dont know what happens off screen in reality. Bottom line is that CT and Diem did love each other and cared about each other beyond the storyline line MTV tried to give them. If they wanted to keep it private so be it. It doesnt matter what is said now. People can deny the truth and others can defend a lie, people will belive what they belive.
Love this. Agreed 100%. Out of any rw/challenge couple, they hands down had the craziest fans. The fans got way into their relationship so I don't blame her for keeping it private.
I am posting for the first time on Vevmo so would appreciate everyones patience with me; I have been lurking and reading comments accross many websites to gain some knowledge of Diem Brown. I am still a bit unsure why Diem Browns passing has really impacted me these past few weeks, its a bit strange as I had basically not followed the The Challenge Shows for a number of years. Her story initially caught me due to my own family experience with cancer and then as I learned more about MedGift and her passion for life I came to admire her spirit and her never give up attitude.
I have explored the various websites on her time at MTV, read blogs, read her interviews on Tumblr, watched BOTE, Rivals and generally just enjoyed the journey of watching her life's impact on people. She lived life to the fullest, overcame her fears and did a number of admirable things that she will be long remembered for. I would certainly consider her a role model for my own daughter.
I understand the CT relationship is a common core of the story.....I have read so many different opinions on the subject that it becomes confusing with fact versus reality. You want the fairy tale ending, I get that, but the fact they were so incredibly private on the matter make things difficult to undertand. I do believe Diem being a public figure had to protect her brand out in the market place to move her MedGift agenda forward and took steps to control the messaging.......thus her unhappeness with the editing from Rivals and her stating she would never do another.
My own personal opinion is that after her second bout with ovarion cancer she returned to Rivals resulting in CT and herself reconciling their relationship. Over the course of the last 18 months of her life they seemed to have shared a number of events together as well as holidays....no idea if they were exclusive, but I suspect if Diem called, CT went, she had that hold on him. I also think the Brown family truly loves Sasan and tolerated CT (due to Diems love for him)....lets face it, CT could be a handfull and was not shy in calling Diem out on some of these shows (she did state in a MTV interview she thought the "bad boys" were more interesting to date which lends itself to her attraction to CT).
Looking at it strictly from a guys perspective and what I have learned these past few weeks.......I do in fact believe Diem was the love of CT's life, I think they shared common experiences all over the world that formed an incredible bond and love.....she influenced him, guided him for the better.....I also believe he is going to struggle during the grieving process. ....I also admire how he is handling the social media portion of this over the past month.
One last comment, in the memorial video near the end there is a portion that states she shared "her love" and there is a photo of Sasan, her Sorority, then the photo of her and CT earlier this year...sorry no family puts a photo like that in a tribute video if its a fake romance (or showmance). If you read into this portion of the video its obvious that her two great relationships were Sasan and CT.....I get the feeling CT was in fact her greatest love....she kept it protected and private out of respect to many others in her life.
She lead the good fight, role model and friend.......you cannot ask for more.
Thanks for listening, I needed to get my thoughts out there.
I really enjoyed reading what you wrote. Thank you for taking the time to memorialize your thoughts. I, too, believe that she was the great love of CT's life just as I believe that he was her True North. You cannot look at photos or videos of them, from The Duel through the trailer now out for Exes 2, and not see a palpable affection and passion. Thanks again!
Their fans got so nuts but her haters were just as crazy too. Can you believe that on Diem's Rivals 2 blog they still posted about Shauvon and his brother's passing. Like these people have moved on, get the hell over it lol
But I also think the fans think of CT and Diem as some idealize couple. Even though I loved the Duel, CT and Diem's relationship started to seem more real afterwards. It's easy to fall in love but the real struggle comes afterwards. I know D fans hate Rivals 2 but I loved it because I think it showed that they were 2 people who could really forgive each other for anything and get past everything but love each other unconditionally and that's romantic to me.
As far as the previous boyfriend, he just seems like such a great, classy guy. I'm so heartbroken for him too. I'm sure that they had a great love story as well. Diem spent some of the best years of her life with him and they always looked happy and in love.
Diem was so lucky to experience two great loves in her life. So many people never do.
You know its funny you say that about Rivals 2.....I enjoyed watching the episodes and its highlights to me the rekindling of the relationship. When I watched the "After Show" Diem was very honest on her feelings towards CT and him being single on the show, but she was also giddy towards him in spots which told me they were on good terms.
I also noticed a very low key CT in Free Agents, he did not chase women and was in the background of the show...interestingly enough he was very close to Cara Marie during FA's and she stated she was in constant contact with Diem and CT once the show ended.
Oh well, like you stated your lucky if you have a great love....Diem lived a great life.
One last comment, in the memorial video near the end there is a portion that states she shared "her love" and there is a photo of Sasan, her Sorority, then the photo of her and CT earlier this year...sorry no family puts a photo like that in a tribute video if its a fake romance (or showmance). If you read into this portion of the video its obvious that her two great relationships were Sasan and CT.....I get the feeling CT was in fact her greatest love....she kept it protected and private out of respect to many others in her life.
She lead the good fight, role model and friend.......you cannot ask for more.
Thanks for listening, I needed to get my thoughts out there.
Always nice to hear from a new voice who displays a thought process...
also because she was a bit of a paradox - she enjoyed both parts of her life the pubic which she opened to us by choice, (mostly for MedGift) and the private which was hers and she protected fiercely because it became necessary in the overlap. There were (and clearly still are) far too many people who felt entitled to an opinion on how she chose to live & love.
No matter how much she gave... it was never enough for some people, it still isn't.
We are all here like a very disfunctional group therapy session.... welcome
Their fans got so nuts but her haters were just as crazy too. Can you believe that on Diem's Rivals 2 blog they still posted about Shauvon and his brother's passing. Like these people have moved on, get the hell over it lol I'm with you! I could not believe the Diem hate that went on during Rivals II on Vevmo. It's been interesting to read the comments on here since she died. I especially like the ones that say "I like her as a person" but not on the Challenges. Like they know her as a person. Diem was the same, albeit with TV edits on the show. So many of her former castmates spoke to those qualities in their kind words at her death.
But I also think the fans think of CT and Diem as some idealize couple. Even though I loved the Duel, CT and Diem's relationship started to seem more real afterwards. It's easy to fall in love but the real struggle comes afterwards. I know D fans hate Rivals 2 but I loved it because I think it showed that they were 2 people who could really forgive each other for anything and get past everything but love each other unconditionally and that's romantic to me. I liked their interaction on Exes 1, too. Although they fought quite loudly in that bar and on that bus ride home, the mutual attraction was still there at the get-go. I especially liked her characterization of what that was like for her. In one of the articles published back then, she shared that being there was hard for her as she had packed away her feeelings for CT (I'm paraphrasing) like you would mementos in a shoebox and now the lid was off.
As far as the previous boyfriend, he just seems like such a great, classy guy. I'm so heartbroken for him too. I'm sure that they had a great love story as well. Diem spent some of the best years of her life with him and they always looked happy and in love. Her ex does seem like a nice man but you know he wasn't Diem's ideal match; five years is a long time to be with someone and not go for the white picket fence/kids, especially for someone like Diem who wanted a family and all that comes with it. She covered a lot of her feelings about him in her people.com blogs after her second cancer battle. She just couldn't let him all the way in and she chose not to settle. I give her a lot of credit for that.
Diem was so lucky to experience two great loves in her life. So many people never do.
She covered a lot of her feelings about him in her people.com blogs after her second cancer battle. She just couldn't let him all the way in and she chose not to settle. I give her a lot of credit for that.
If I remember correctly, in one of her blogs she talked about how she wanted her boyfriend to rub his fingers through her hair and stuff like that.. I cant remember what exactly she said, but it was something to that effect. And I remember thinking that was what CT used to do during the Duel.. I remember getting the impression back then that there will never be a man that she loves more than CT. I still believe this. I do believe she loved Sasan, five years thats a loooonng time, but you are absolutely right, she knew he wasnt the one for her. How could he be? Theres only one CT. But I do agree Sasan seems like a great great guy. I miss her
One area that I find puzzling is that she had stated the reason she broke up with CT was to move forward in her vision of MedGift and felt she did not want a relationship hindering that vision. Yet she entered a long term relationship with Sasan......so there would seem to be much more to the story.....residency, career vision, maturity, all plays into it. I would also suspect Sasan was much more appealing to the family as he seems like a very nice, successful person.
He was hurt, he moved on and then BOTE comes into play.....she states in interviews about BOTE she was apprehensive about it being a show about Execs (MTV sources denied that to her as rumors). She had to have known there was a high probability that CT would be there for The Challenge (even not knowing the format)....she may very well have been in what she considered a great relationship but why go on a show that you know CT is on unless you wanted to see him for specific reasons?
CT seems to have calmed over the past year, I think with maturity comes wisdom and maybe he is finally growing up and focusing on his career versus being stuck in a perpetual spring break.....Diem was really capable of doing anything within the entertainment industry, she was really a talented speaker and great on-air voice....she a had a very bright future.....my hope is that her influence guides him......I am curious to see signs of this during the BOTE2 in January.
As I stated I do believe he is going to have a very tough time without her.......the adventures they shared will be nearly impossible to duplicate......he will have to come to terms that a very important part of his life is gone......long term he will adjust, in the short term he will struggle.
One area that I find puzzling is that she had stated the reason she broke up with CT was to move forward in her vision of MedGift and felt she did not want a relationship hindering that vision. Yet she entered a long term relationship with Sasan......so there would seem to be much more to the story.....residency, career vision, maturity, all plays into it. I would also suspect Sasan was much more appealing to the family as he seems like a very nice, successful person.
He was hurt, he moved on and then BOTE comes into play.....she states in interviews about BOTE she was apprehensive about it being a show about Execs (MTV sources denied that to her as rumors). She had to have known there was a high probability that CT would be there for The Challenge (even not knowing the format)....she may very well have been in what she considered a great relationship but why go on a show that you know CT is on unless you wanted to see him for specific reasons?
CT seems to have calmed over the past year, I think with maturity comes wisdom and maybe he is finally growing up and focusing on his career versus being stuck in a perpetual spring break.....Diem was really capable of doing anything within the entertainment industry, she was really a talented speaker and great on-air voice....she a had a very bright future.....my hope is that her influence guides him......I am curious to see signs of this during the BOTE2 in January.
As I stated I do believe he is going to have a very tough time without her.......the adventures they shared will be nearly impossible to duplicate......he will have to come to terms that a very important part of his life is gone......long term he will adjust, in the short term he will struggle.
From what I remember, CT and Diem were very serious after they met on The Duel (like the getting married kind of serious) but there were minor glitches in terms of where to live (Boston v. LA) and what each was doing in their own lives. D was on a vision quest to establish MedGift (predecesor was L4TC or Live for the Cure) and I can well imagine it was difficult in one's 20s to imagine establishing both a family and a foundation. Someone has to have a steady paycheck, exclusive of the Challenge cash. Plus, her medical debt was enormous back then; I'm sure that weighed on her as well. She started to date her ex right around Duel II and he was the opposite of CT at that time ~ serious, generous, kind, establishing a respectable profession and local to LA. And what group of friends and family wouldn't support that?
Diem herself admitted she made the decision to end it with CT based on her head and not her heart and it was obvious that she broke his when she ended it. When you have a great love like that, though, it's hard to put it to rest. I think we saw that in both of them during Battle of the Exes 1. Their continued attraction to each other was magnetic and palpable; hard to deny. Her 2nd cancer diagnosis after climbing up that glacier really put it all into perspective for her; she wanted the Tom Cruise Jumping on Oprah's couch love, not the safe and steady kind. And as she told Aneesa in the pool on Rivals II, CT made her feel "full" (complete).
I agree that he will have a tough time, losing her twice in a lifetime. My heart goes out to him.
One area that I find puzzling is that she had stated the reason she broke up with CT was to move forward in her vision of MedGift and felt she did not want a relationship hindering that vision. Yet she entered a long term relationship with Sasan......so there would seem to be much more to the story.....residency, career vision, maturity, all plays into it. I would also suspect Sasan was much more appealing to the family as he seems like a very nice, successful person.
He was hurt, he moved on and then BOTE comes into play.....she states in interviews about BOTE she was apprehensive about it being a show about Execs (MTV sources denied that to her as rumors). She had to have known there was a high probability that CT would be there for The Challenge (even not knowing the format)....she may very well have been in what she considered a great relationship but why go on a show that you know CT is on unless you wanted to see him for specific reasons?
CT seems to have calmed over the past year, I think with maturity comes wisdom and maybe he is finally growing up and focusing on his career versus being stuck in a perpetual spring break.....Diem was really capable of doing anything within the entertainment industry, she was really a talented speaker and great on-air voice....she a had a very bright future.....my hope is that her influence guides him......I am curious to see signs of this during the BOTE2 in January.
As I stated I do believe he is going to have a very tough time without her.......the adventures they shared will be nearly impossible to duplicate......he will have to come to terms that a very important part of his life is gone......long term he will adjust, in the short term he will struggle.
From what I remember, CT and Diem were very serious after they met on The Duel (like the getting married kind of serious) but there were minor glitches in terms of where to live (Boston v. LA) and what each was doing in their own lives. D was on a vision quest to establish MedGift (predecesor was L4TC or Live for the Cure) and I can well imagine it was difficult in one's 20s to imagine establishing both a family and a foundation. Someone has to have a steady paycheck, exclusive of the Challenge cash. Plus, her medical debt was enormous back then; I'm sure that weighed on her as well. She started to date her ex right around Duel II and he was the opposite of CT at that time ~ serious, generous, kind, establishing a respectable profession and local to LA. And what group of friends and family wouldn't support that?
Diem herself admitted she made the decision to end it with CT based on her head and not her heart and it was obvious that she broke his when she ended it. When you have a great love like that, though, it's hard to put it to rest. I think we saw that in both of them during Battle of the Exes 1. Their continued attraction to each other was magnetic and palpable; hard to deny. Her 2nd cancer diagnosis after climbing up that glacier really put it all into perspective for her; she wanted the Tom Cruise Jumping on Oprah's couch love, not the safe and steady kind. And as she told Aneesa in the pool on Rivals II, CT made her feel "full" (complete).
I agree that he will have a tough time, losing her twice in a lifetime. My heart goes out to him.
yea i mean on Duel 1 she mentioned the average life span of ovarian cancer survivors, and after getting it again (before rivals 2), i think she realized time may be limited (not as limited as it ended up, but she probably didn't think she would see past 40 if i had to guess) so it was the time to truly follow her heart and as you said the feel full comment showed that her true happiness was with him, even if he was not the safe bet like her other ex was.
I mean obviously comparing the ex and CT from a family perspective(who they prefered the type she'd date), the ex would have a clear advantage, but the white picket fence thing with 4 kids she mentioned on every season almost was her dream and i am pretty sure only her dream with ct. I never heard her mention that without mentioning her past with CT or something to do with CT in the sentence. She could have had it with the ex, she chose to explore things with CT again over the safe bet. I think the safe bet isn't always the best bet/match, life is better when it's exciting and surprising. To me there is no bigger compliment than to say you feel full/complete with soemone. She said that about CT. I bet both have regrets about the 5 year thing and i am sure if they coudl see in the future they would have done things different, but that's life. Obviously both being stubborn to admit they both still loved each other took away time they coudl have been together, but it was hard to predict this all woudl happen with diem getting in a third time and passing so quickly. Very tragic.
One area that I find puzzling is that she had stated the reason she broke up with CT was to move forward in her vision of MedGift and felt she did not want a relationship hindering that vision. Yet she entered a long term relationship with Sasan......so there would seem to be much more to the story.....residency, career vision, maturity, all plays into it. I would also suspect Sasan was much more appealing to the family as he seems like a very nice, successful person. Sometimes (especially when you're young) you are so consumed with doing the "right thing" that you listen to the head without regard for the long game which is the heart... One of things Diem & I connected on was just this... When young I broke the heart of my true love because I believed there were things I had to do BY MYSELF - because he consumed too much of me. I didn't yet understand that (1) I could really damage him, but I did, nor (2) that leaning on someone you love at the end of the day doesn't deminish what you accomplish during the day... It took years (nearly 30 for me) to learn that, for her too.
He was hurt, he moved on and then BOTE comes into play.....she states in interviews about BOTE she was apprehensive about it being a show about Execs (MTV sources denied that to her as rumors). She had to have known there was a high probability that CT would be there for The Challenge (even not knowing the format)....she may very well have been in what she considered a great relationship but why go on a show that you know CT is on unless you wanted to see him for specific reasons? In her HEAD she went on to promote MedGift and that is true...now to bore you with my favorite quote from Blaise Pascal, which she completely understood - Le cœur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connaît point. On le sent en mille choses."The heart has its reasons, for which reason knows nothing. We feel it in a thousand things. At the end of the day your heart will always lead you to where it wants to be!
CT seems to have calmed over the past year, I think with maturity comes wisdom and maybe he is finally growing up and focusing on his career versus being stuck in a perpetual spring break.....Diem was really capable of doing anything within the entertainment industry, she was really a talented speaker and great on-air voice....she a had a very bright future.....my hope is that her influence guides him......I am curious to see signs of this during the BOTE2 in January.
If you really take notice his worst behavior always comes after Diem either chastises or rejects him... there was no "over it" for either of them. If you believe they were together since last year then what you see in Free Agents is devoted CT - no concern for what the party girls are up to... fun but subdued... quiet but involved The real man... when Cara is hurt and hesitant to choose him as her partner, the guy who says say my name right now - that serious loyalty to his friends - that has always been him. We just don't get to see that because crazy CT makes for better tv.He is capable of both good & bad but either way she is usually the catalyst.
As I stated I do believe he is going to have a very tough time without her.......the adventures they shared will be nearly impossible to duplicate......he will have to come to terms that a very important part of his life is gone......long term he will adjust, in the short term he will struggle.
I think having had the last year, will help him. Knowing he really was enough & that she felt the same about him, that she had so much faith in him... I think that will give him strength.
Interesting viewpoints.....I do find their shared journey fascinating when you play it out across a 9 year period.....I also lean towards them being together in some sort of fashion the past 16 months.....it seems the logical conclusion to their story with the information you can find via the internet.....I also think Diem knew how serious her health conditions were following Rivals, everyday was precious and not to be wasted......my sister and father both passed of cancer.....neither could have physically competed like Diem did at the same stage of colon cancer as she was.......Diem was tough as hell.
One item of note.....some of the websites and blogs are incredibly nasty towards them both......rather shocking to me and confirms their reason to protect their private lives.....I would react in the same fashion.
Ok so the trailer is blocked at work and won't play on my phone but I did see the clip on the top of CT carrying Diem and the look on his face nearly ripped my heart out!!
What else with them is in this trailer?
Scenes with different challenges, introducing AYTO and showing TJ reveal the twist to remaining players. Plus some house drama of course!
Ok so CT/Diem stuff?
there was the first scene where ct is carrying her, and other one where brittany says "money doesnt mean anything if you dont have somone to care about " while diem is in bed and ct is next to her.
Diem only appears on the first height challenge that we saw on the preview, but i didnt see her or ct on other mission.
Not much. It shows him pick her up and carry her and later is a quick shot of her laying in bed smiling at him? It shows Knight and Jemmye kiss as well.
Ok. Thanks guys <3
Oh my gosh I saw the trailer on buzzfeed.com. Poor CT looks so scared. This will be tough to watch. Then seeing Knight & Jemmye as well.
it looked like that kiss was a part of the challenge/mission cuz they were wearing helmets.
Yes, I think so. There is something between their lips.
Yeah. Now that I've watched it again (a few times LOL), I think you're right. What looked like a kiss is actually not. Sorry!
CT did look a little uneasy in that scene when he picked her up, maybe that could just be me overthinking it. Do we think that was when she was having those stomach pains or just a cute moment?
But ugh i wish they would of showed more of them but i have a feeling we'll get a lot when the actual episodes come on
Not a cute moment. I think he was carrying her for medical attention (she didnt really look coherent) and his face was pure sadness and fear.
She'll be in 3 episodes.
I don't know about coherence, but she did look like she was hurtin'... hands and body looked clenched. Bless her heart.
I'm so glad that they were there together and he was there to carry her literally.
Hey sweet girl, got your messages. I meant to respond to them but just having a pretty busy day with work so I will get back to you soon. Thank you so much for giving me the 411 on everything!! It's tough for sure but I am looking for more previews to come out showing Chris and Diem being happy together, the good times. Hugs.
I am posting for the first time on Vevmo so would appreciate everyones patience with me; I have been lurking and reading comments accross many websites to gain some knowledge of Diem Brown. I am still a bit unsure why Diem Browns passing has really impacted me these past few weeks, its a bit strange as I had basically not followed the The Challenge Shows for a number of years. Her story initially caught me due to my own family experience with cancer and then as I learned more about MedGift and her passion for life I came to admire her spirit and her never give up attitude.
I have explored the various websites on her time at MTV, read blogs, read her interviews on Tumblr, watched BOTE, Rivals and generally just enjoyed the journey of watching her life's impact on people. She lived life to the fullest, overcame her fears and did a number of admirable things that she will be long remembered for. I would certainly consider her a role model for my own daughter.
I understand the CT relationship is a common core of the story.....I have read so many different opinions on the subject that it becomes confusing with fact versus reality. You want the fairy tale ending, I get that, but the fact they were so incredibly private on the matter make things difficult to undertand. I do believe Diem being a public figure had to protect her brand out in the market place to move her MedGift agenda forward and took steps to control the messaging.......thus her unhappeness with the editing from Rivals and her stating she would never do another.
My own personal opinion is that after her second bout with ovarion cancer she returned to Rivals resulting in CT and herself reconciling their relationship. Over the course of the last 18 months of her life they seemed to have shared a number of events together as well as holidays....no idea if they were exclusive, but I suspect if Diem called, CT went, she had that hold on him. I also think the Brown family truly loves Sasan and tolerated CT (due to Diems love for him)....lets face it, CT could be a handfull and was not shy in calling Diem out on some of these shows (she did state in a MTV interview she thought the "bad boys" were more interesting to date which lends itself to her attraction to CT).
Looking at it strictly from a guys perspective and what I have learned these past few weeks.......I do in fact believe Diem was the love of CT's life, I think they shared common experiences all over the world that formed an incredible bond and love.....she influenced him, guided him for the better.....I also believe he is going to struggle during the grieving process. ....I also admire how he is handling the social media portion of this over the past month.
One last comment, in the memorial video near the end there is a portion that states she shared "her love" and there is a photo of Sasan, her Sorority, then the photo of her and CT earlier this year...sorry no family puts a photo like that in a tribute video if its a fake romance (or showmance). If you read into this portion of the video its obvious that her two great relationships were Sasan and CT.....I get the feeling CT was in fact her greatest love....she kept it protected and private out of respect to many others in her life.
She lead the good fight, role model and friend.......you cannot ask for more.
Thanks for listening, I needed to get my thoughts out there.
I thihnk she kept her relationship with him private because people only saw what they saw and TV and TV made it look like he was a complete *** to her so if they would be public with their relationship I can only imagine the horrible things people would be saying to her about how she gave CT another chance. I also did notice that CT follows all of Diems family on Instagram and other social media which to me seems theat him & Diem were togeather or her family did actually like him because I do not know why else you would follow them on social media especially Instagram.
Valid points, you don't follow who you don't care to follow.
I think Diem kept her relationship private because she was a private person. People tend to forget that she never really talked about Sasan either; I think that is just the way that she was. When it comes to CT, I think she kept a low profile with him because people are always in their business. Some fans or viewers think that they know everything and use the excuse, "I saw it on TV". Those type of people are so judgemental and were so cruel after Rivals 2, they wouldnt understand. They dont know what happens off screen in reality. Bottom line is that CT and Diem did love each other and cared about each other beyond the storyline line MTV tried to give them. If they wanted to keep it private so be it. It doesnt matter what is said now. People can deny the truth and others can defend a lie, people will belive what they belive.
Love this. Agreed 100%. Out of any rw/challenge couple, they hands down had the craziest fans. The fans got way into their relationship so I don't blame her for keeping it private.
I really enjoyed reading what you wrote. Thank you for taking the time to memorialize your thoughts. I, too, believe that she was the great love of CT's life just as I believe that he was her True North. You cannot look at photos or videos of them, from The Duel through the trailer now out for Exes 2, and not see a palpable affection and passion. Thanks again!
Their fans got so nuts but her haters were just as crazy too. Can you believe that on Diem's Rivals 2 blog they still posted about Shauvon and his brother's passing. Like these people have moved on, get the hell over it lol
But I also think the fans think of CT and Diem as some idealize couple. Even though I loved the Duel, CT and Diem's relationship started to seem more real afterwards. It's easy to fall in love but the real struggle comes afterwards. I know D fans hate Rivals 2 but I loved it because I think it showed that they were 2 people who could really forgive each other for anything and get past everything but love each other unconditionally and that's romantic to me.
As far as the previous boyfriend, he just seems like such a great, classy guy. I'm so heartbroken for him too. I'm sure that they had a great love story as well. Diem spent some of the best years of her life with him and they always looked happy and in love.
Diem was so lucky to experience two great loves in her life. So many people never do.
You know its funny you say that about Rivals 2.....I enjoyed watching the episodes and its highlights to me the rekindling of the relationship. When I watched the "After Show" Diem was very honest on her feelings towards CT and him being single on the show, but she was also giddy towards him in spots which told me they were on good terms.
I also noticed a very low key CT in Free Agents, he did not chase women and was in the background of the show...interestingly enough he was very close to Cara Marie during FA's and she stated she was in constant contact with Diem and CT once the show ended.
Oh well, like you stated your lucky if you have a great love....Diem lived a great life.
Always nice to hear from a new voice who displays a thought process...
also because she was a bit of a paradox - she enjoyed both parts of her life the pubic which she opened to us by choice, (mostly for MedGift) and the private which was hers and she protected fiercely because it became necessary in the overlap. There were (and clearly still are) far too many people who felt entitled to an opinion on how she chose to live & love.
No matter how much she gave... it was never enough for some people, it still isn't.
We are all here like a very disfunctional group therapy session.... welcome
If I remember correctly, in one of her blogs she talked about how she wanted her boyfriend to rub his fingers through her hair and stuff like that.. I cant remember what exactly she said, but it was something to that effect. And I remember thinking that was what CT used to do during the Duel.. I remember getting the impression back then that there will never be a man that she loves more than CT. I still believe this. I do believe she loved Sasan, five years thats a loooonng time, but you are absolutely right, she knew he wasnt the one for her. How could he be? Theres only one CT. But I do agree Sasan seems like a great great guy. I miss her
One area that I find puzzling is that she had stated the reason she broke up with CT was to move forward in her vision of MedGift and felt she did not want a relationship hindering that vision. Yet she entered a long term relationship with Sasan......so there would seem to be much more to the story.....residency, career vision, maturity, all plays into it. I would also suspect Sasan was much more appealing to the family as he seems like a very nice, successful person.
He was hurt, he moved on and then BOTE comes into play.....she states in interviews about BOTE she was apprehensive about it being a show about Execs (MTV sources denied that to her as rumors). She had to have known there was a high probability that CT would be there for The Challenge (even not knowing the format)....she may very well have been in what she considered a great relationship but why go on a show that you know CT is on unless you wanted to see him for specific reasons?
CT seems to have calmed over the past year, I think with maturity comes wisdom and maybe he is finally growing up and focusing on his career versus being stuck in a perpetual spring break.....Diem was really capable of doing anything within the entertainment industry, she was really a talented speaker and great on-air voice....she a had a very bright future.....my hope is that her influence guides him......I am curious to see signs of this during the BOTE2 in January.
As I stated I do believe he is going to have a very tough time without her.......the adventures they shared will be nearly impossible to duplicate......he will have to come to terms that a very important part of his life is gone......long term he will adjust, in the short term he will struggle.
From what I remember, CT and Diem were very serious after they met on The Duel (like the getting married kind of serious) but there were minor glitches in terms of where to live (Boston v. LA) and what each was doing in their own lives. D was on a vision quest to establish MedGift (predecesor was L4TC or Live for the Cure) and I can well imagine it was difficult in one's 20s to imagine establishing both a family and a foundation. Someone has to have a steady paycheck, exclusive of the Challenge cash. Plus, her medical debt was enormous back then; I'm sure that weighed on her as well. She started to date her ex right around Duel II and he was the opposite of CT at that time ~ serious, generous, kind, establishing a respectable profession and local to LA. And what group of friends and family wouldn't support that?
Diem herself admitted she made the decision to end it with CT based on her head and not her heart and it was obvious that she broke his when she ended it. When you have a great love like that, though, it's hard to put it to rest. I think we saw that in both of them during Battle of the Exes 1. Their continued attraction to each other was magnetic and palpable; hard to deny. Her 2nd cancer diagnosis after climbing up that glacier really put it all into perspective for her; she wanted the Tom Cruise Jumping on Oprah's couch love, not the safe and steady kind. And as she told Aneesa in the pool on Rivals II, CT made her feel "full" (complete).
I agree that he will have a tough time, losing her twice in a lifetime. My heart goes out to him.
yea i mean on Duel 1 she mentioned the average life span of ovarian cancer survivors, and after getting it again (before rivals 2), i think she realized time may be limited (not as limited as it ended up, but she probably didn't think she would see past 40 if i had to guess) so it was the time to truly follow her heart and as you said the feel full comment showed that her true happiness was with him, even if he was not the safe bet like her other ex was.
I mean obviously comparing the ex and CT from a family perspective(who they prefered the type she'd date), the ex would have a clear advantage, but the white picket fence thing with 4 kids she mentioned on every season almost was her dream and i am pretty sure only her dream with ct. I never heard her mention that without mentioning her past with CT or something to do with CT in the sentence. She could have had it with the ex, she chose to explore things with CT again over the safe bet. I think the safe bet isn't always the best bet/match, life is better when it's exciting and surprising. To me there is no bigger compliment than to say you feel full/complete with soemone. She said that about CT. I bet both have regrets about the 5 year thing and i am sure if they coudl see in the future they would have done things different, but that's life. Obviously both being stubborn to admit they both still loved each other took away time they coudl have been together, but it was hard to predict this all woudl happen with diem getting in a third time and passing so quickly. Very tragic.
Interesting viewpoints.....I do find their shared journey fascinating when you play it out across a 9 year period.....I also lean towards them being together in some sort of fashion the past 16 months.....it seems the logical conclusion to their story with the information you can find via the internet.....I also think Diem knew how serious her health conditions were following Rivals, everyday was precious and not to be wasted......my sister and father both passed of cancer.....neither could have physically competed like Diem did at the same stage of colon cancer as she was.......Diem was tough as hell.
One item of note.....some of the websites and blogs are incredibly nasty towards them both......rather shocking to me and confirms their reason to protect their private lives.....I would react in the same fashion.
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