Re: The show [I]degrading[/I] itself by having the producers 'let' them fight...
I don't recall many Real World physical altercations, but I don't seem to remember any producers stepping in to stop Dustin from flipping Mike out of his chair and mushing him in the face in Las Vegas 2. Now that I think of it, the female cast members had to break it up because the producers were nowhere to be found.
Or...during the NOLA season when the producers didn't step in to stop Preston from cleaning the house toilet with Ryan's toothbrush.
OR...the fights that went on during the Hollywood season. I once again don't remember any producers stepping in for anything. Which just leaves me to believe there's a lot of selective memory/re-writing of history going on in this thread.
Although I'm convinced V1man is in fact Mike from Las Vegas 2. 'He needs to go to jail!'.
[QUOTE=JL81790;347426]I think in that situation, Nia should've cleaned it, but in general I don't think so. If Nia just spotted dog crap around the house I don't think she's responsible for cleaning it up...even if she feeds the dog and walks it here and there. BUT, if I'm in my house and I step on ****, and I smush it into the carpet I would've just cleaned it up because it's the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. I would've cleaned it up the first time, but if it ever happened again I would not continue to clean up after the first time.
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Although I'm convinced V1man is in fact Mike from Las Vegas 2. [/QUOTE]
LOL! He's more than young enough to be my grandson!
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[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;347422]Violence issue aside, did anyone actually think it was Nia's responsibility to clean up the dog poo? Sure, it would've been courteous, but that's Avery's dog, so Avery should be responsible for any and all messes caused by the dog.[/QUOTE]
This really is the question of a social contract of the type that most young adult roommates make every day in new living situations. There is no right or wrong solutions or answer beyond what the roommates have agreed among themselves -- such as "If you are going to steal my OJ, please don't drink it out of the carton." While I have no evidence for this, production likely avoided having the cast discuss any agreement involving Daisy so that, since most animals not sufficiently housebroken or allowed outside regularly will ******** or urinate inside, it's a guaranteed production "moment," and one that has potential for greater drama (as happened). It's been seen on more than one reality show in the past 15 years including during RW LA season 2 (anyone remember Monkity?
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;347435]I agree with you. I would've cleaned it up the first time, but if it ever happened again I would not continue to clean up after the first time.[/QUOTE]
Yeah...they were talking about it on Grantland and said pretty much the same thing. I don't like Nia but I don't think she was necessarily wrong about the ****. Averey chose to bring Daisy, and there wasn't like an agreement or anything that said that the other people in the house had to take care of her. If Jordan or Marlon or whoever takes her for a walk, that's just them being nice...it doesn't mean they have the responsibility to do that all the time.
However, I do think that Johnny wasn't yelling at her just because she didn't clean up ****...it's that she didn't clean up **** that she mushed into the carpet. If you notice, when Nia spilled all the stuff on the floor and made it look like Daisy did it, Johnny didn't start yelling at the people that were in the house at the time...he cleaned it up because he thought the dog made a mess. It was because Nia had made the mess messier than it was that he wanted her to clean it.
[QUOTE=fais54;347430]Re: The show [I]degrading[/I] itself by having the producers 'let' them fight...
Or...during the NOLA season when the producers didn't step in to stop Preston from cleaning the house toilet with Ryan's toothbrush.
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Why should they? It wasn't like Ryan got sick or a situation that was out of control per se. Plus Ryan started the **** when he cut up Preston's debit cards...
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;347497]Why should they? It wasn't like Ryan got sick or a situation that was out of control per se. Plus Ryan started the **** when he cut up Preston's debit cards...[/QUOTE]
If I remember correctly, Ryan got really sick from that. I could be dead *** wrong though.
[QUOTE=molds13;346875]Personally...I think any woman who wants to fight like a man should be prepared to get hit like one.
Men do (should) not hit ladies. However - Nia is no lady.[/QUOTE]
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA -AA-men!!! If not hit then how about a PUSH ...defensively of course, but hard enough to send her and her weave right through a brick wall fortified with steel girters and a little aluminum siding...::sweet smile::
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;347227]Actually, from what V1Man said, the Portland City Council is looking into it because city and state laws for domestic abuse may have been broken. Permits were issued for filming which required production to be compliant with those laws. By permitting such things to occur, they may have broken those laws and invalidated the permits which could also result in a civil lawsuit which would affect BMP and VIACOM (who owns MTV). If that occurs, the producers of this particular season will most likely lose more than just their jobs.[/QUOTE]
...um would [I][B]ANY[/B][/I]thing happen to tropical **** Nia?
[QUOTE=dreamer;347404]I'm surprised at how very little club scenes we watched this season!? Anyone else notice?[/QUOTE]
Alex said on Spreecast that in recent seasons they try to make them go to bars instead of clubs because it's easier to film.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;347422]Violence issue aside, did anyone actually think it was Nia's responsibility to clean up the dog poo? Sure, it would've been courteous, but that's Avery's dog, so Avery should be responsible for any and all messes caused by the dog.[/QUOTE]
Considering Johnny, Marlon, Avery and Bird were not at the house when Nia found the poo, she could have cleaned it in that instance just that one time. She even said it was fresh so Daisy likely did it right before they left. But she just let it sit there and dry on the carpet, what?
If she had cleaned it, there would have been no argument.
[QUOTE=RealCynic;347626]Considering Johnny, Marlon, Avery and Bird were not at the house when Nia found the poo, she could have cleaned it in that instance just that one time. She even said it was fresh so Daisy likely did it right before they left. But she just let it sit there and dry on the carpet, what?
If she had cleaned it, there would have been no argument.[/QUOTE] And no resulting episode story line.
[QUOTE=jojorules;347156]A host is supposed to be able to be not afriad to call people out if what they are saying on the reunion doesn't fit their acts, i have seen many challenge hosts do it, and many not do it and just let them all yell with no direction ...I think Coral asks them all hard questions, and will call them on their bs no matter who it is. I think that is what is needed and to show direction to what everyone is already thinking about certaint things that happen. If a host was just neeeded to ask questions that's it, than they would just use fan questions and not even bother with one, they have to moderate as well.[/QUOTE]
I want Coral to host because has been there/done that and so has additional insight into the whole Real World "life at the house" deal.
As a host, Just because someone calls out the BS doesn't mean they "don't like" them, they are doing what they are being paid to do. I love it when a host asks the questions I am asking in my own mind and notices that someone is making a statement that either doesn't make sense or isn't what was shown. If a guest on a show can't hold their own it's [I]their[/I] issue, the host should ask about it that's what makes the show interesting.
[QUOTE=RealCynic;347626]Considering Johnny, Marlon, Avery and Bird were not at the house when Nia found the poo, she could have cleaned it in that instance just that one time. She even said it was fresh so Daisy likely did it right before they left. But she just let it sit there and dry on the carpet, what?
If she had cleaned it, there would have been no argument.[/QUOTE]
Didn't she clean the tracks she stepped in after she cleaned her foot? It's 50/50. Now YOU clean the crap that your dog made in the confessionals. I honestly wouldn't have cleaned it up period (and I wouldn't have physically fought over it either but clearly there were deeper feelings and motives from the three of them.
Plus, what V1man said lol.
[QUOTE=BellaLissa;347641]I want Coral to host because has been there/done that and so has additional insight into the whole Real World "life at the house" deal.
As a host, Just because someone calls out the BS doesn't mean they "don't like" them, they are doing what they are being paid to do. I love it when a host asks the questions I am asking in my own mind and notices that someone is making a statement that either doesn't make sense or isn't what was shown. If a guest on a show can't hold their own it's [I]their[/I] issue, the host should ask about it that's what makes the show interesting.[/QUOTE]
And speaking of hosts, nobody wants a Lindsay. Remember when Danny dogged her out. I think she hosted the Sydney reunion too.
I just watched the episode and I know that it's been discussed extensively already, but I have some thoughts I wanted to post regarding it. First of all, if I were Nia, I would have gloved up and cleaned the dog ****. Not because it's her responsibility to clean up after a dog that isn't hers, but because since she tracked it around, she knows where it all is. I can understand her not wanting to do it, but for the sake of harmony, she should've cleaned it up, told Averey that she needs to keep an eye on where her dog is ****ing, and mentioned that if it happened again, she wasn't going to clean it.
Also, Johnny was completely out of line ordering Nia to clean it up. It's reasonable for her not to, and Johnny + Averey doing mental gymnastics to try to justify why Nia should clean up the feces is laughable. Nia could have scolded Averey + Johnny for not walking their dog enough to the point where it's taking a crap inside of the house, but she brushed it off. Johnny yelling at her for stepping in their dog's **** is pathetic. He didn't even end up cleaning it anyways. He just stood and watched Averey clean it. It sounds to me like he was angry for other reasons and wanted to get out pent-up aggression. The fact that after the argument ended and he, Averey, Marlon, and Jordan were out, he was still stewing in his anger is indicative of some serious anger problems. There is nothing healthy about him being that angry a sizeable amount of time after the argument had ended and saying "I want her dead". He's a misogynist and the way that he degrades the women in the house is absolutely disgusting.
Now, moving on to the actual fight, Johnny trying to throw that drink at her counts as an act of aggression, just as Nia throwing a water at Averey was an act of aggression. He literally had been doing everything within his power to get Nia to fight without actually hitting her. He knew what he was doing and knew how Nia would react. That, the tissue, Nia turning on the light in their bedroom, and Averey getting mad about Nia calling the dog acted as catalysts for this fight to happen. In the end, everyone got what they deserved. I feel bad for no one, and they're all equally wrong in my eyes. I couldn't care less what happens to Johnny or Nia until they get the much required help that they need from a licensed professional.
Final thoughts: Should production have intervened? Yes. Am I surprised that they didn't? No. Plenty of reprehensible things have happened on the Real World and the Challenges that they should've stopped, but didn't. With all of this talk of responsibility, the biggest failure to take responsibility in the entire situation was that of production. It's their responsibility to keep cast members safe but they didn't. Their little PSA about violence is contradictory to their actions and makes up for nothing.
The only valuable thing that I took away from this episode is that Tim Hortons is involved with the Real World. There were Timmies coffee cups all over the tables, the coffee maker said Tim Hortons, and the coffee grounds were from Tim Hortons. Interesting stuff to me as a Canadian.
Nia poured alcohol down Jordan's nose and mouth, then punches him and hits him with an alarm clock and lamp. Though Jordan was in the wrong for attacking her according to people on here.
But when Johnny pours X liquid on her, she gets to punch him and Avery, and hit Johnny with a hair dryer. Though Johnny should't have poured X liquid on her which started everything.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, Nia and her fans are a laugh.
[QUOTE=DizzyYahYah;348215]Nia poured alcohol down Jordan's nose and mouth, then punches him and hits him with an alarm clock and lamp. Though Jordan was in the wrong for attacking her according to people on here.
But when Johnny pours X liquid on her, she gets to punch him and Avery, and hit Johnny with a hair dryer. Though Johnny should't have poured X liquid on her which started everything.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, Nia and her fans are a laugh.[/QUOTE]
What did I say that gave you the impression that I'm a fan of Nia?
Was it when I mentioned that she's equally at fault, or was it when I said that I didn't feel bad for anyone involved?
Or perhaps it was when I said that I didn't care about her and that she needs therapy?
[QUOTE=brunett;347270]Even if its a felony, the DA in Atlanta would not take the time and resources to track her down, contact Portland authorities and extradite her all the way across the country unless she was wanted for something a lot more serious, like a kidnapping or murder or a drug trafficking ring, etc. and even then, police dont usually actively search for you, they just arrest you if they happen to come into contact with you and run your name through and see that theres a warrant out for your arrest. basically, the only thing Portland authorities can do is issue a warrant out for her arrest on assault charges and hope she shows up in Portland again and somehow comes in contact with the police while shes there, whether it be getting pulled over in her car, etc.[/QUOTE]
Given she's all over the place extolling the virtues of getting high throuhgout the day to her MTV viewers aka "peons" (her word, many of whom are teenagers) I would say the chances are very good that she will hit a legal bump with complications in 10...9...8..7..6...5...
[QUOTE=BellaLissa;348248]Given she's all over the place extolling the virtues of getting high throuhgout the day to her MTV viewers aka "peons" (her word, many of whom are teenagers) I would say the chances are very good that she will hit a legal bump with complications in 10...9...8..7..6...5...[/QUOTE]
It also depends how much they want to prosecute reality TV. If they have a case and can make the landmark argument, there is some prestige in it and possibly some voter payoff too.
[QUOTE=Xerxes;348168] I couldn't care less what happens to Johnny or Nia until they get the much required help that they need from a licensed professional.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xerxes;348168]The only valuable thing that I took away from this episode is that Tim Hortons is involved with the Real World. There were Timmies coffee cups all over the tables, the coffee maker said Tim Hortons, and the coffee grounds were from Tim Hortons. Interesting stuff to me as a Canadian.[/QUOTE]
From start to finish this is a great post, thank you!
According to Nia there was dog poo all over the house so ...who was dealing with it and were the roomates picking it up [I]sometimes[/I] or stepping over it or ignoring it? It appears from her reaction and confession that Nia [I]did[/I] have a problem with it but never said anything so resentment was simmering about the poo on the floor and toward Johnny/Averey about why the dog ***** in the house.
I had to quote the two comments above because they strike me as most critically hilariously brilliant.
I'm not sure if this was mentioned on vevmo but toward the end of the episode they should the clip of the house voting to see if she stays, do u know if she does
[QUOTE=netkpr21;348324]I'm not sure if this was mentioned on vevmo but toward the end of the episode they should the clip of the house voting to see if she stays, do u know if she does[/QUOTE]
This is not a spoiler thread, but it you search Nia's twitter posts, her answer to the question is there. (@therealniamore)/
[QUOTE=V1man;348325]This is not a spoiler thread, but it you search Nia's twitter posts, her answer to the question is there. (@therealniamore)/[/QUOTE]
Thanks
[QUOTE=Fullback12;348344]I wonder how Nia would clash with Frank or Marie on a challenge?[/QUOTE]
Imagine an argument between Nia and a drunk Katie Doyle.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;348345]Imagine an argument between Nia and a drunk Katie Doyle.[/QUOTE]
Haaaaaaa! Katie Doyle would K.I.L.L. her, bring her back to life so she could cuss her out and kill her again.
P.S. You owe me a new screen, I spewed my Stella straight out when I saw that!
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;348345]Imagine an argument between Nia and a drunk Katie Doyle.[/QUOTE]
Omfg, yes a million times over!
I just wish I can see Nia in the "blast to the past" moment going against all the big talkers of the game (Katie, Coral, Tina). And for some odd reason, I wanna put Ayanna here; decent competitor, but man, could she dish it out and go crazy!
Johnny said production did not step in once during the violence and when he brought up the contracts they kept backing away from it. This isn't the Real World I remember. The show has gotten old and they want spice to keep up with reality shows like Bad Girls Club with fights. Exploiting violence and risking people's safety.It's really disgusting when you think about it. And Nia was apparently saying things like she was going to hit them with bats in their sleep. Would you feel comfortable living with someone like that? And if it's true that she got these Portland gangsters to threaten the camera crew so that she can buy drugs, I find it hard to believe she has fans.
[QUOTE=Camille;348361]And if it's true that she got these Portland gangsters to threaten the camera crew so that she can buy drugs, I find it hard to believe she has fans.[/QUOTE]
What in the world? lmao.
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