[QUOTE=brunett;347228]Yes, it occurred on US soil, or, more specifically, it occurred in Portland, ORGEON, which is about 3000 miles away from Nia's hometown in Atlanta, GEORGIA. You really think the DA is going to go out of their way to take the time and resources needed to go all the way from Portland to Atlanta pick up Nia, arrest her and extradite her on a plane to Portland over a domestic dispute, misdemeanor charge? LMAO.[/QUOTE]
Well, when she hit Johnny with the hair dryer, it becomes aggravated assault which is a felony.
I just watched Nia's after show interview on mtv.com and I'm even more disgusted with her. She has absolutely no remorse. She talks about not wanting to be "done" with the fight when she was waiting for Johnny outside the bathroom. I'm sorry, this is absolutely ridiculous. I'm disgusted with all 3 of them really (Johnny, Avery, and Nia) for resorting to violence, but Nia was absolutely in the wrong here. Again I don't approve of any of the violence but I feel like Nia absolutely got her retribution on Johnny for pouring the energy drink her by punching him hard in the head several times and he did nothing after that. The whole situation is stupid and I hope what we see next week is all 3 getting kicked out and the season ending then because of it.
I don't know why I'm surprised by anything Nia does anymore, but this really tops the list. Johnny did not coax the "stereotypical black girl on tv" out of her like she says in the interview. She is just a terrible person with highly skewed views of the world and how society functions which she showed nearly every episode this season.
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;347227]Actually, from what V1Man said, the Portland City Council is looking into it because city and state laws for domestic abuse may have been broken. Permits were issued for filming which required production to be compliant with those laws. By permitting such things to occur, they may have broken those laws and invalidated the permits which could also result in a civil lawsuit which would affect BMP and VIACOM (who owns MTV). If that occurs, the producers of this particular season will most likely lose more than just their jobs.[/QUOTE]
Really? Wow so This is gonna get serious.
[QUOTE=Bacchus;347217]That doesn't make it acceptable.
We live in a civil society with a rule of law. Just because cameras are rolling doesn't absolve people from responsibility. There isn't a reality show loophole in the legal code.[/QUOTE]
Well of course that doesn't make it acceptable. Fighting under any circumstance isn't ok but the fact that this fight happened on a reality television show that within itself trivializes it to a degree IMO. Reality tv is seen as mindless entertainment, people generally don't take it seriously which is why so many reality shows allow people to fight on them and there are no repercussions.
If I remember from a law course I took in college, there is some exception to being assaulted and/or battery. For example, a boxer can't press charges against another boxer if s/he is hit during a match. That said, I have to wonder if Real World castmembers sign something in their contract that says they are entering an environment where assault could occur, thus disallowing the ability to press charges.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;347182]Not even close. Not at all.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing to this season at all except the fights, and Nia who just sucks as a person in general
[QUOTE=dreamer;347192]Okay I think you all need to chill, I would let the fights happen too, they are ratings. Fights is what people tune in for. Blow dryer isn't a knife, calm the F down, she was never trying to bludgeon him to death or anything, you don't need to make this into a soap opera. They were getting good footage so why would they put a stop to it?[/QUOTE]
I'm reading this thread and cannot believe what I see. I'm wondering who raised some of you people if you believe that physical violence is acceptable and you actually find it entertaining.
This show could be 40 minutes of Nia driving a bus full of children into a river and people would still be cheering because Nia is the "savior of TRW" and she's so ****** and does what she wants. Here's a newsflash: just because reality TV is going down the **** hole, doesn't mean you as viewers should go down with it.
[QUOTE=LouisGrip;347240]There is nothing to this season at all except the fights, and Nia who just sucks as a person in general[/QUOTE]
Exactly. And its still better than San Diego.
[QUOTE=audreyhorne;347241]I'm reading this thread and cannot believe what I see. I'm wondering who raised some of you people if you believe that physical violence is acceptable and you actually find it entertaining.[/QUOTE]
In certain situations, I do believe violence is totally acceptable. Yes it can be hard to watch, but I'm.not going to turn off the TV once I see it.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;347243]Exactly. And its still better than San Diego.[/QUOTE]
idk. tbh I'd rank them about the same. one interesting episode doesn't make up for the awful other 10.
[QUOTE=KevinW;347246]idk. tbh I'd rank them about the same. one interesting episode doesn't make up for the awful other 10.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they were awful. Excluding the ones focusing on Johnny and averey, I've enjoyed this season.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;347247]I don't think they were awful. Excluding the ones focusing on Johnny and averey, I've enjoyed this season.[/QUOTE]
true. I guess awful was the wrong word but moreso lackluster. overall I'd say a notch above San Diego.
I would like to thank Nia for making this season just that more interesting! Still a rather lame season, but this fight was awesome. Very glad the producers didn't step in to stop it, because it was straight entertainment. If only Averey won, it would have been that much better. But whatever, finally something interesting about this overall dull season.
[QUOTE=andrew;347235]If I remember from a law course I took in college, there is some exception to being assaulted and/or battery. For example, a boxer can't press charges against another boxer if s/he is hit during a match. That said, I have to wonder if Real World castmembers sign something in their contract that says they are entering an environment where assault could occur, thus disallowing the ability to press charges.[/QUOTE]
It that is what you were taught and you feel comfortable making the association between a sport and a reality TV contract, then I'd suggest demanding a refund for that course.
Seriously, though, there is no nexus. As a matter of law, no provision of a contract is enforceable if it stands contrary to other law in force. If it were not so (which is what MTV and BMP initially argued in Tonya Cooley v. MTV, Bunim Murray Productions, at alia), then that case would have never survived its first test in court.
[QUOTE=V1man;347255]It that is what you were taught and you feel comfortable making the association between a sport and a reality TV contract, then I'd suggest demanding a refund for that course.
Seriously, though, there is no nexus. As a matter of law, no provision of a contract is enforceable if it stands contrary to other law in force. If it were not so (which is what MTV and BMP initially argued in Tonya Cooley v. MTV, Bunim Murray Productions, at alia), then that case would have never survived its first test in court.[/QUOTE]
I see your point about contracts being null and void if something illegal is done. For example, if I agree to pay someone $100 to kill someone, and I don't pay, that person can't sue me for that $100. However, the part about not being able to discern the difference between reality TV and a sport is amusing. How are they not both forms of entertainment, with participants knowing what they are getting in to?
I think Nia continuing to fight is another aspect of her immaturity. If you "won" against Averey in the hallway, don't take it into the bedroom and keep going.
And she said in the aftershow that she got portrayed as the "angry black woman" because of this. No...YOU brought that among yourself. Lots of people won't punch someone for throwing an energy drink at them, which isn't a violent act. Oh no, now you'll grow wings.
[QUOTE=cystic;347242]This show could be 40 minutes of Nia driving a bus full of children into a river and people would still be cheering because Nia is the "savior of TRW" and she's so ****** and does what she wants. Here's a newsflash: just because reality TV is going down the **** hole, doesn't mean you as viewers should go down with it.[/QUOTE]
Although I don't condone fighting and acting crazy, in a way it is exciting TV to some, in that it portrays people acting in a manner that people never find IRL. Unless anyone here actually gets in fistfights and screaming arguments weekly(if so...that must be a terrible environment!), it's something different than what they experience in their regular life. Is it quality TV? I see it as a guilty pleasure...and some aspects cater to a certain group.
I do agree that reality TV is kinda going down the ******. Survivor was very simple and fun. Then, reality dating shows(coughvh1cough), and those housewife thingies and Bad Girls Club(seriously...a show which endorses constant fighting??) sorta make me cringe. The original RW seasons were simple as well, in that the people there weren't there for camera time.
As far as MTV goes, I've always loved the challenges. The Real World is something I'd flip to check out, but don't follow as much. This season is probably one of the few that I've seen almost all the episodes, mainly due to the hype it got beforehand.
[QUOTE=andrew;347258]I see your point about contracts being null and void if something illegal is done. For example, if I agree to pay someone $100 to kill someone, and I don't pay, that person can't sue me for that $100. However, the part about not being able to discern the difference between reality TV and a sport is amusing. How are they not
both forms of entertainment, with participants knowing what they are getting in to?[/QUOTE]
Well in one, physical contact is to expected so by participating both parties will have given their implied consent to the activity/contact; however this only applies to contact reasonably expected in the course of playing the sport. In the other there is no reasonable expectation of contact in Reality Television, so therefore there would be no implied consent.
Nia probably thinks this thread is about her. :dog:
[QUOTE=Esquire;347262]Well in one, physical contact is to expected so by participating both parties will have given their implied consent to the activity/contact; however this only applies to contact reasonably expected in the course of playing the sport. In the other there is no reasonable expectation of contact in Reality Television, so therefore there would be no implied consent.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Desertpuma;347230]I said the RW fight occurred on US soil. I said the CT vs Adam fight did not occur on US soil.
As for the DA extraditing Nia to Portland? If he is trying to make a point about reality TV violence in his city and/or state, he just might.[/QUOTE]
I know what you said. But my point is US soil covers a lot of ground, this is a big country, and given that Atlanta is 3000 miles away from Portland, trust me, they wont be traveling 3000 miles just to extradite her back to Portland on a misdemeanor domestic dispute. lol. that would be an insane waste of time and resources. The only thing they could possibly do is issue a warrant out for her arrest in Portland, which basically means that if she shows up in Portland again and is pulled over driving and her license is run in, the warrant will show up, or in some other legal trouble where police run her name through and see the warrant, them she may be arrested and prosecuted by the DA. But if she's pulled over or comes into contact with police in her hometown of Atlanta, and they run her name through and find the warrant in Portland, the Atlanta legal authorities won't be extraditing her across the country, lol. That I am sure of.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;347231]Well, when she hit Johnny with the hair dryer, it becomes aggravated assault which is a felony.[/QUOTE]
Even if its a felony, the DA in Atlanta would not take the time and resources to track her down, contact Portland authorities and extradite her all the way across the country unless she was wanted for something a lot more serious, like a kidnapping or murder or a drug trafficking ring, etc. and even then, police dont usually actively search for you, they just arrest you if they happen to come into contact with you and run your name through and see that theres a warrant out for your arrest. basically, the only thing Portland authorities can do is issue a warrant out for her arrest on assault charges and hope she shows up in Portland again and somehow comes in contact with the police while shes there, whether it be getting pulled over in her car, etc.
[QUOTE=Seminole;347259]I think Nia continuing to fight is another aspect of her immaturity. If you "won" against Averey in the hallway, don't take it into the bedroom and keep going.
And she said in the aftershow that she got portrayed as the "angry black woman" because of this. No...YOU brought that among yourself. Lots of people won't punch someone for throwing an energy drink at them, which isn't a violent act. Oh no, now you'll grow wings.[/QUOTE]
Heather B of RW1 fame said it best: "They work with what you gave them."
For nia i just am not sure she knows how she wants to come off.. On one hand on twiiter she is hurricane Nia the baddest chick ever no bull she will destroy you and she feeds into that image...But than she appears on like multiple shows/podcasts recapping the episode basically saying she never fights and its not her thing and basically playing victim... So which is it? I think she looks completely fake and i dont know why people would believe an admitted liar.. But i am curious which is real but i think most if not all if the tough girl stuff is an act
A lot of people loved marie and latoya and i was in the minority not likibg the whole "bad bit$$" thing i dont think any of that is legit with those girls..fake tough girls who think tge louder you yell the more tough you are.. Kind if like nia claiming to be a master manipulator or master of verball arguing according to afterbuzz tv ep recap haha
[QUOTE=jojorules;347273]For nia i just am not sure she knows how she wants to come off.. On one hand on twiiter she is hurricane Nia the baddest chick ever no bull she will destroy you.. Bur than she appears on like multiple shows/podcasts recapping the episode basically saying she never fights and its not her thing and basically playing victim... So which is it? I think she looks completely fake and i dont know why people would believe an admitted liar.. But i am curious which is real but i think most if not all if the tough girl stuff is an act[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree with that. I think Nia is sort of a camealeon, she feeds off the vibes of the people around her and becomes whatever she thinks they want her to be. So if she's around people who are encouraging the bad ***** type behavior, like they do on Twitter, she plays it up. But if she's being interviewed by people who are discouraging it and look down on it, she becomes the innocent victim who doesn't like to fight.
[QUOTE=brunett;347270]Even if its a felony, the DA in Atlanta would not take the time and resources to track her down, contact Portland authorities and extradite her all the way across the country unless she was wanted for something a lot more serious, like a kidnapping or murder or a drug trafficking ring, etc. basically, the only thing Portland authorities can do is issue a warrant out for her arrest on assault charges and hope she shows up in Portland again and somehow comes in contact with the police while shes there, whether it be getting pulled over in her car, etc.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it is a felony in OR, but you are correct re extradition. In a place where DA's are elected, although Rod Underhill ran unopposed last November, being seen to be soft on violent crime never gains one votes. He is known to have a high family values standard and need not actually pursue extradition to be applauded in the community. He can easily achieve public note by having the court issue an arrest warrant that will likely never be served within the statue of limitations.
There is a bit of a back story here that mold13 laid out some of before the season taped. Local media had the story that RW was coming to town and even identified the location while city hall was denying it was true. The permit to film is what many are concerned with in the community -- and the nature of the last few episodes has done nothing to dampen those concerns, especially among those in the community -- including local government -- who feel lied to.
Dreamer, please be observant of the Terms of Service. Audreyhorne should not be ridiculed for her views. Disagree if you must, be humorous, be sarcastic, but please don't be rude to new members.
Audreyhorne, welcome to vevmo. Most who are brutal in the comments usually mean well, with a few exceptions.
For Portland's take on things, here is what the Oregonian published:
[url=http://www.oregonlive.com/movies/index.ssf/2013/06/the_real_world_portland_the_ra.html#incart_river]'The Real World: Portland': The rains came, and Nia erupts | OregonLive.com[/url]
The thing with Nia that bothers me is that RW/RR/The Challenges have always had the rule of You punch someone you go home. Nia punched Jordan a while back, so she should've been sent home then. While I agree that physical fighting is entertaining, it's just weird how the lines aren't always as black and white as they are for the Challenges. The announcement MTV made at the end of the episode also kinda was weird because if it's never the answer, why don't they do something about it? More entertaining than most episodes this season, but the lines are kind of blurry nonetheless.
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