[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;328023]
4. There are literally like 4 likable people left. Sarah, Devyn, Dustin, and Sam. This is my opinion obviously but I don't think anyone really likes Frank, Zach, or Trishelle, [B]Jonna is pretty unlikable[/B], JD, Derek, Robb, and Ashley are still whatever to me, and I'm indifferent about Chet.
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I agree with most of your post but I'll never understand the Jonna "hatred/dislike"
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328028]I agree with most of your post but I'll never understand the Jonna "hatred/dislike"[/QUOTE]
I can go either way on her I mean I can definitely understand why people would dislike her though. She cheated on her boyfriend after being in the house for like 2 days, and she basically threw Jasmine (one of her best friends in the house) under the bus. Whether it was a smart move or not it was still a bad thing to do.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;328030]I can go either way on her I mean I can definitely understand why people would dislike her though. She cheated on her boyfriend after being in the house for like 2 days, and she basically threw Jasmine (one of her best friends in the house) under the bus. Whether it was a smart move or not it was still a bad thing to do.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I guess. I don't care about their personal lives so her cheating on her boyfriend doesn't mean anything to me. She's hardly the first person in the world to do that.
I understand your point though--some people care more about them as "people" as opposed to "how they play the game". Like I'd love Trishelle is she wouldn't bash others for trying to play the game. I feel like she thinks she's the only one allowed to.
[QUOTE=Shogun99;328026]Hold up Alton/Nany lost by 3 balls, won by 1 ball, and lost by So back up on the "Alton didn't try claims" because it discredits a well-deserved win for Robb and Marie. Alton and Nany gave it their all, but lost to a stronger pair, end of story!!!![/QUOTE]
I absolutely agree with you. And let's not forget that Robb is about 6'6 or something, which gave Robb and Marie an advantage. People just don't want to believe that Alton could lose.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328028]I agree with most of your post but I'll never understand the Jonna "hatred/dislike"[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me?
[QUOTE=VerbonaVerb;328034]I absolutely agree with you. And let's not forget that Robb is about 6'6 or something, which gave Robb and Marie an advantage. People just don't want to believe that Alton could lose.[/QUOTE]
Uh no. And height has nothing to do with it. In short, Alton lost because he wanted to act like a **** baby and didn't care either way.
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;328051]Are you kidding me?
Uh no. And height has nothing to do with it. In short, Alton lost because he wanted to act like a **** baby and didn't care either way.[/QUOTE]
Ok I guess you have all the answers then.....
Since her season, Jonna has had like 4 boyfriends, lol. The boyfriend she had before leaving to Cancun and got a promise piercing with. She ended up cheating on him with Cj. She then dated that Canadian DJ and was with him even after the show. She then had another boyfriend during Rivals (I'm assuming this is the one she lived with), then had a NEW boyfriend before leaving to Turkey, only to break up with him after meeting Zach for a few days and now she's with Zach.
Why do people not like her? Probably because she's a lil tramp.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;328062]Since her season, Jonna has had like 4 boyfriends, lol. The boyfriend she had before leaving to Cancun and got a promise piercing with. She ended up cheating on him with Cj. She then dated that Canadian DJ and was with him even after the show. She then had another boyfriend during Rivals (I'm assuming this is the one she lived with), then had a NEW boyfriend before leaving to Turkey, only to break up with him after meeting Zach for a few days and now she's with Zach.
Why do people not like her? .[/QUOTE]
My sentiments exactly. She's isn't faithful.
And no, This, I don't have all the answers.
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;328051]
Uh no. And height has nothing to do with it. In short, Alton lost because he wanted to act like a **** baby and didn't care either way.[/QUOTE]
Height has a lot to do with this challenge because you're expending less energy reaching for those balls. Robb is tall has a long wingspan which saves both time and energy.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;328062]Since her season, Jonna has had like 4 boyfriends, lol. The boyfriend she had before leaving to Cancun and got a promise piercing with. She ended up cheating on him with Cj. She then dated that Canadian DJ and was with him even after the show. She then had another boyfriend during Rivals (I'm assuming this is the one she lived with), then had a NEW boyfriend before leaving to Turkey, only to break up with him after meeting Zach for a few days and now she's with Zach.
Why do people not like her? Probably because she's a lil tramp.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Oh and don't forget the Canadian DJ she dated from her season, she said on the reunion she screwed it up with him so more than likely she cheated on him. All she cares about is guys.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;328062]Since her season, Jonna has had like 4 boyfriends, lol. The boyfriend she had before leaving to Cancun and got a promise piercing with. She ended up cheating on him with Cj. She then dated that Canadian DJ and was with him even after the show. She then had another boyfriend during Rivals (I'm assuming this is the one she lived with), then had a NEW boyfriend before leaving to Turkey, only to break up with him after meeting Zach for a few days and now she's with Zach.
Why do people not like her? Probably because she's a lil tramp.[/QUOTE]
Actually I like her because she seems like a strong player. She also isn't here for a vacation, but to play and win. She comes off as someone who doesn't care for the pointless drama. She may have horrible taste in men, but I still love Jonna.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;328081]Actually I like her because she seems like a strong player. She also isn't here for a vacation, but to play and win. She comes off as someone who doesn't care for the pointless drama. She may have horrible taste in men, but I still love Jonna.[/QUOTE]
Jonna might not be there for a vacation, but she sure as hell isn't there to play and win. She is there for the money. To say that she is there to win is moronic because she killed her chances of winning by not going into the Arena with CJ.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328084]Jonna might not be there for a vacation, but she sure as hell isn't there to play and win. She is there for the money. To say that she is there to win is moronic because she killed her chances of winning by not going into the Arena with CJ.[/QUOTE]
Lol yes because going into an arena against someone who has 30 pounds on you and against Zach is smart on paper.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328084]Jonna might not be there for a vacation, but she sure as hell isn't there to play and win. She is there for the money. To say that she is there to win is moronic because she killed her chances of winning by not going into the Arena with CJ.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't even make sense--no matter how many times people try to make the claim it will never make sense. Jonna wisely played the averages as any intelligent player would--she's absolutely there to win. And people need to stop dismissing Derek. Derek & Jonna performed extremely well in yesterday's episode as they have pretty much all season. Can anyone point to something Derek or Jonna haven't done well this season?
Going into the Arena against Sam would have been idiotic--no player "playing to win" would have done that. No one.
They're only screwed if they have to go into a physical elimination round--just as they were the first time
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328088]This doesn't even make sense--no matter how many times people try to make the claim it will never make sense. Jonna wisely played the averages as any intelligent player would--she's absolutely there to win. And people need to stop dismissing Derek. Derek & Jonna performed extremely well in yesterday's episode as they have pretty much all season. Can anyone point to something Derek or Jonna haven't done well this season?
[B]Going into the Arena against Sam would have been idiotic--no player "playing to win" would have done that. No one.[/B]
They're only screwed if they have to go into a physical elimination round--just as they were the first time[/QUOTE]
Really...you think Sarah would have been afraid of Sam? Nany? Marie? This notion that Sam is some physical girl that would destroy anyone is ridiculous. I know Jonna said that Sam outweighs her but 40 pounds, but let's be real. Sam is shorter than Ashley and not big at all. I can't see her being more than 20 pounds heavier than Jonna. I understand she was playing the odds and it was probably the right decision for her, but don't act like she wasn't an awful teammate and didn't completely screw her team from having a chance at winning.
Great Episode..There's a Lot I want to say.
Las Vegas....Trishelle should've stepped up and went in. Nany shouldn't have had to go in at all. And I Kinda think that Dustin went A bit overboard with his Trishelle hate. I get that she bascially dicked the team over but the whole nightmare thing and packing of the bags..yeah a little much but Understandable.
Drama Drama Drama..So many fights! Nany vs Frank/Derek Marie vs Sam, Dustin Vs Frank..It was all so entertaing and kind of fights that the challenges have been lacking for some time. The only thing that bothered me about it all was it seemed to have come out of nowhere.
I hated seeing Nany go..I feel like she's made her mark on this challenge and I hope she returns in the future..Alton..He can go back to his "great life" and stay there. I don't want to see him on a challenge again.
Overall great episode after a few decent episodes we're back to the goodness again.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;328091]Really...you think Sarah would have been afraid of Sam? Nany? Marie? This notion that Sam is some physical girl that would destroy anyone is ridiculous. I know Jonna said that Sam outweighs her but 40 pounds, but let's be real. Sam is shorter than Ashley and not big at all. I can't see her being more than 20 pounds heavier than Jonna. I understand she was playing the odds and it was probably the right decision for her, but don't act like she wasn't an awful teammate and completely screwed her team from winning.[/QUOTE]
Sam absolutely outweighs Jonna by 30+ pounds IMO. Jonna is very thin. Even if it is only 20 pounds Sam is "compact" and built better for that kind of elimination. Again, if it was endurance, strategy or even mental this would be a decent argument. It's ridiculous for physical.
And Sarah would NEVER volunteer knowing that either guy on her team was going against Zach--she's not suicidal. Nany isn't a strategic player at all and Marie wouldn't have gone in if Laura was still there. It isn't about being "afraid" of Sam--it is all about the odds.
The discussion was never "is she a good teammate" it was "is she there to win?"--she absolutely is. And Jasmine didn't have to step up--she could have let them (Brooklyn I believe) send in Jonna. Poor strategic decision by Jasmine. We can respect people for nominating themselves but we need to acknowledge this is a game--Jonna is playing it--has been from the moment she arrived.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328096]Sam absolutely outweighs Jonna by 30+ pounds IMO. Jonna is very thin. Even if it is only 20 pounds Sam is "compact" and built better for that kind of elimination. Again, if it was endurance, strategy or even mental this would be a decent argument. It's ridiculous for physical.
And Sarah would NEVER volunteer knowing that either guy on her team was going against Zach--she's not suicidal. Nany isn't a strategic player at all and Marie wouldn't have gone in if Laura was still there. It isn't about being "afraid" of Sam--it is all about the odds.
The discussion was never "is she a good teammate" it was "is she there to win?"--she absolutely is. And Jasmine didn't have to step up--she could have let them (Brooklyn I believe) send in Jonna. Poor strategic decision by Jasmine. We can respect people for nominating themselves but we need to acknowledge this is a game--Jonna is playing it--has been from the moment she arrived.[/QUOTE]
No way Sam is 30 pounds heavier. She's probably like 130, Jonna's probably like 110. Whatever, not the point. I took you're post to mean that no one would go against Sam, but really you meant no one wanted to go against Zach. That's fine, and I realize Jonna's playing the game, but the fact is Jonna caused her team to not have a chance to win. She could have controlled her own destiny by going in and taking out Sam and hoping for the best with CJ (which if she did, they would have won). Instead she was scared and didn't go in and cost her team a shot at winning. That's all im saying.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;328101]No way Sam is 30 pounds heavier. She's probably like 130, Jonna's probably like 110. Whatever, not the point. I took you're post to mean that no one would go against Sam, but really you meant no one wanted to go against Zach. That's fine, and I realize Jonna's playing the game, but the fact is Jonna caused her team to not have a chance to win. She could have controlled her own destiny by going in and taking out Sam and hoping for the best with CJ (which if she did, they would have won). Instead she was scared and didn't go in and cost her team a shot at winning. That's all im saying.[/QUOTE]
I think Jonna had a better chance to win by staying with Derek than by going into the physical elimination round. I really don't get the Derek hate--unless they are forced to go into a physical elimination round they'd have a solid chance to beat pretty much anyone left.
Also, CJ should get more blame than Jonna. There's no way he should have gone in--you send your weaker players first--Jasmine & Derek should have gone in. This was never about getting 4 people to the end. The only team that should want four is SD and that's questionable because of Sam.
I don't see how you can say Jonna is playing to win when she let CJ go in with Jasmine. She is playing to win some money, but she is not playing to win the entire game. There are some people who are content with getting 3rd place, and Jonna seems to be one of those people to me.
I'm sorry but Jonna wasn't being a "smart" player, she was being a punk. If you need the money that bad, you go in and prove yourself. Just look at the older seasons, people went into the elimination and proved their worth. Jonna doesn't deserve to be invited to any other challenge imo. She's a *****.
Don't even get me started on the Nany situation..
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328103]I think Jonna had a better chance to win by staying with Derek than by going into the physical elimination round. I really don't get the Derek hate--unless they are forced to go into a physical elimination round they'd have a solid chance to beat pretty much anyone left.
Also, CJ should get more blame than Jonna. There's no way he should have gone in--you send your weaker players first--Jasmine & Derek should have gone in. This was never about getting 4 people to the end. The only team that should want four is SD and that's questionable because of Sam.[/QUOTE]
I agree CJ was dumb for going in they should have sent in Derek and Jasmine. But I think Cancun was the best 4 man team I think they wanted all 4 to make the final. LV might have been better with 4 but after last night we learned Alton has no endurance and Trishelle just sucks in general so I dk.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328104]I don't see how you can say Jonna is playing to win when she let CJ go in with Jasmine. She is playing to win some money, but she is not playing to win the entire game. There are some people who are content with getting 3rd place, and Jonna seems to be one of those people to me.[/QUOTE]
The mistake was CJ going in--who says Jonna "let him". Cancun needed to get rid of Jasmine to have a shot to win. Sending her in was the right move. Derek isn't a great athlete but he's not this feeble loser that people are making him out to be. I'm still waiting for an example during this challenge where either of them didn't perform. They did better than Robb & Marie yesterday (crushed them) and crushed a 4 person Vegas team.
Was Coral not trying to win when she decided to nominate herself with Mallory knowing Mallory would get picked? Is Brooklyn not trying to win if Sarah & Chet dont' throw a mission forcing them to finish last so they can get rid of Devyn?
To win you must be there at the end...Jonna comprehends this--I don't understand why others don't.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;328106]I agree CJ was dumb for going in they should have sent in Derek and Jasmine. But I think Cancun was the best 4 man team I think they wanted all 4 to make the final. LV might have been better with 4 but after last night we learned Alton has no endurance and Trishelle just sucks in general so I dk.[/QUOTE]
Jasmine had no endurance--we saw that on the log challenge. I love Jasmine but, like Katie Doyle, she's someone you want to get rid of before the final.
I just think Jonna's taking unfair heat for this decision. Think about some of the best female strategists (Susie, Coral, Veronica, etc) would any of them had gone in even if they were better suited--of course not. This is a game of survival.
In order to win you have to make it to the end, but I liked Jonna's chances of beating Sam in Hall Brawl a lot more than her chances of winning a final with Derek. Jonna should have gone in with CJ no matter what game was being played if her goal was to win the game. Her goal isn't to win the game, she even said so herself. Her goal is to make money because of some financial hardships that happened 2 years ago.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;328108]Jasmine had no endurance--we saw that on the log challenge. I love Jasmine but, like Katie Doyle, she's someone you want to get rid of before the final.
I just think Jonna's taking unfair heat for this decision. Think about some of the best female strategists (Susie, Coral, Veronica, etc) would any of them had gone in even if they were better suited--of course not. This is a game of survival.[/QUOTE]
Like I said I thought it was a smart decision, but as Feedmachi said she wasn't playing to win, she was just playing to get money. Which I guess makes sense considering she's homeless. It makes her a smart player, but I lost a lot of respect for her and Trishelle and I don't respect playing the game that way.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;328110]In order to win you have to make it to the end, but I liked Jonna's chances of beating Sam in Hall Brawl a lot more than her chances of winning a final with Derek. Jonna should have gone in with CJ no matter what game was being played if her goal was to win the game. Her goal isn't to win the game, she even said so herself. Her goal is to make money because of some financial hardships that happened 2 years ago.[/QUOTE]
I completely disagree and don't see the logic in this at all.
Her goal absolutely is to win--that's why she had no problem with Jasmine going home. Jonna has a better chance to win with just Derek than with CJ & Jasmine as well. Never go in unless you have to. As Brad said during Cutthroat--you do it the first couple times just for the epic experience but then you learn to avoid it at all costs.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;328111]Like I said I thought it was a smart decision, but as Feedmachi said she wasn't playing to win, she was just playing to get money. Which I guess makes sense considering she's homeless. It makes her a smart player, but I lost a lot of respect for her and Trishelle and I don't respect playing the game that way.[/QUOTE]
I don't even think this makes sense but to each their own. My issue with Trishelle is that she's a hypocrite--not that she's avoiding eliminations. The objective is to do exactly that.
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