The Challenge: Generic Thread

I do think Evelyn, Laurel and Emily are 3 of the strongest girls...however I also think that there are girls that could give them a run for their money in some 1 on 1 situations. Tonya, Sarah, Diem, Kelly Anne, and Rachel R could give them a run for their money.

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;307026]I do think Evelyn, Laurel and Emily are 3 of the strongest girsl...however I also think that there are girls that could give them a run for their money in some 1 on 1 situations. Tonya, Sarah, Diem, Kelly Anne, and Rachel R could give them a run for their money.[/QUOTE] Well, naming Tonya is pointless. You will never see her again on MTV. I respect Diem's game and hold her in high regard personally. I don't think she can do two sets of dead weight pull ups like Evelyn can. Nor can the others. I don't actually know many guys who can do it. Granted, there may be some circumstance where the others have their strengths, by comparison.

One name that springs to mind is Evan. Rivals where he was gassed just from hanging in the elimination round trying to essentially do chin ups, the challenge where he tried to cheat against CT in the Gauntlet/Duel whatever.

[QUOTE=V1man;307028]Well, naming Tonya is pointless. You will never see her again on MTV. I respect Diem's game and hold her in high regard personally. I don't think she can do two sets of dead weight pull ups like Evelyn can. Nor can the others. I don't actually know many guys who can do it. Granted, there may be some circumstance where the others have their strengths, by comparison.[/QUOTE] Outside of the "top 3" females what order would you put Rachel R, Diem, Coral, Tonya, Tori, KellyAnne, Susie?

[QUOTE=BluffingJ;307030]Outside of the "top 3" females what order would you put Rachel R, Diem, Coral, Tonya, Tori, KellyAnne, Susie?[/QUOTE] V1Man's not much for ranking lists.

[QUOTE=molds13;307033]V1Man's not much for ranking lists.[/QUOTE] What she said...

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;307026]I do think Evelyn, Laurel and Emily are 3 of the strongest girls...however I also think that there are girls that could give them a run for their money in some 1 on 1 situations. Tonya, Sarah, Diem, Kelly Anne, and Rachel R could give them a run for their money.[/QUOTE] KellyAnne couldn't beat Evelyn who was standing completely still on The Ruins, nor could she hold her breath longer. Sarah's overrated. She made it to the end of The Ruins by beating Katie and Johanna, big deal. She's not bad, but she's NOWHERE near the level of the first 3. Tonya no comment. Rachel and Diem it depends on what it is. There are plenty of girls who can do the long excruciating final right now like Evelyn, Laurel, Emily, Diem, Cara Maria, Paula, Camila, and most likely Rachel. It all depends on what tasks you have to do in it. If it's straight up pushing ****, it's probably Evelyn. If it's snowboarding, that's probably Emily. If it's eating without throwing up, it's probably Cara Maria. Maybe they should just do like a 3 day final with 10 people and have that be a whole season. Then we'll see who's best.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;307043] Sarah's overrated. She made it to the end of The Ruins by beating Katie and Johanna, big deal. She's not bad, but she's NOWHERE near the level of the first 3.[/QUOTE] Sarah hasnt really gotten the chance though, she has never went up against those 3 girls in a 1 on 1 setting of any kind. Sarah did quite well in the missions on The Ruins, was one of the strongest girls on FM2 and Cutthroat. Got a raw deal on Rivals and Exes. I think a Duel 3 would settle who is good and who isnt.

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;307049]Sarah hasnt really gotten the chance though, she has never went up against those 3 girls in a 1 on 1 setting of any kind. Sarah did quite well in the missions on The Ruins, was one of the strongest girls on FM2 and Cutthroat. Got a raw deal on Rivals and Exes. I think a Duel 3 would settle who is good and who isnt.[/QUOTE] Strongest girls on FM2? She went home second!

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;307051]Strongest girls on FM2? She went home second![/QUOTE] Your point is? Evelyn went home 2nd on The Ruins and 1st on FM1. Are you going to try argue that Casey, who finished better than her on both, was a stronger/better competitor? Or Johanna? or Katie? hmm

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;307051]Strongest girls on FM2? She went home second![/QUOTE] When a person goes home isn't an indication of how strong they are as a competitor. She went home second, but lost to Kenny and Laurel. I would say she is a pretty good competitor, the only problem is that her ego is way too big.

I don't like Sarah too much. I liked her on the Ruins, but since then she's gotten really annoying. She really only has two wins under her belt, against Katie and Johanna, who aren't exactly known for being strong competitors. In FM2 she went home second. In Cutthroat she never went to eliminations. In Rivals and Exes she had ****** partners.

What cast members do you guys think would be make good Challenge regulars ? I prefer random casts but the seem to like a having regular group avaliable, I would say Laura Waller- Boy-crushing tomboy that just makes good tv Robb Schreiber- Party here, he seems like a good time Marie Roda- Crazy, sexy, cool Brandon Kane- He seems like a regular guy, we need more regular dudes on the show Jasmine Reynaud- She is crazy but the right amount mixed with funny Zach Nichols- He just fits this enviroment better than the RW Sarah Rice- She brings something a lot different than drama, I kinda like that but I hope she takes a break Leroy Garrett- I tried to dislike him but he is cool Noor Jehangir- He is one of the more interesting additions of recent cast mates.

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;307052]Your point is? Evelyn went home 2nd on The Ruins and 1st on FM1. Are you going to try argue that Casey, who finished better than her on both, was a stronger/better competitor? Or Johanna? or Katie? hmm[/QUOTE] Evelyn went home 2nd on The Ruins because she threw the elimination round and she went home first on Fresh Meat because Wes and Casey had a significantly less amount of weight to carry. Sarah and Vinny went home 2nd on Fresh Meat II with actually trying and having the same amount of weight as Kenny and Laurel. And the reason why Casey stuck around so long on The Ruins was because of how the rules panned out and because the Champions won 90% of the challenges at which point they got to choose the Challengers players to go into the Ruins and it benefited their team to NOT send her in.

[QUOTE=arilicious;307008]I really think Laurel is pretty overrated. Sure, she's made it to the finals in every challenge, but in all her challenges she barely went to an elimination round. In FM2 she went in once. In Cutthroat she never went in. In Rivals she and Cara just usually went in against people who weren't that great (when they played Jasmine and Jonna, Jasmine was the weaker link. Camila and Theresa aren't particularly great either.) Other overrated people for me would of course be Johnny, Evan and Kenny. Not only do I hate them because of their extremely large egos, but because they're also people who manage to make it far every time without going to eliminations. Especially on the Ruins, it was just getting ridiculous. The only reason why the Champions team one every week (except once) was because Casey was on the Challengers team. The Challengers team could have been really good if Casey hadn't been cast, or if she had been eliminated (which she should have) in the first two weeks.[/QUOTE] Laurel did go in on Cutthroat, she beat Camilla in the dice game.

To my knowledge, Abe just rubbed his fecal matter on the walls, not his face. Dont quote me though lol

[QUOTE=arilicious;307008]I really think Laurel is pretty overrated. Sure, she's made it to the finals in every challenge, but in all her challenges she barely went to an elimination round. In FM2 she went in once. In Cutthroat she never went in. In Rivals she and Cara just usually went in against people who weren't that great (when they played Jasmine and Jonna, Jasmine was the weaker link. Camila and Theresa aren't particularly great either.) [/QUOTE] You don't have to go into eliminations all the time to prove that you're strong. A few will do. In FM2 she kept winning all the time, or the Wes alliance was too afraid to go against her. Hence, only one elimination. In Cutthroat she went against Camila. In my opinion, Camila & Theresa were a pretty strong team, they came in second twice out of three missions. But I'll give you the Jonna & Jaz, because that was already obvious because of the size difference.

[QUOTE=erodwhtboy;307011]Did Abe rub the *** he smeared on the jail walls on his face, what the **** is that[/QUOTE] Did you not watch the video? Cara Maria states that he burned his face.

[QUOTE=gamer73;307333]Did you not watch the video? Cara Maria states that he burned his face.[/QUOTE] Attention seeking behaviors anyone? I find it interesting that many of his antics get caught on video or are posted through various other social networking sites.

[QUOTE=Treetrunk;307563]Attention seeking behaviors anyone? I find it interesting that many of his antics get caught on video or are posted through various other social networking sites.[/QUOTE] aha.. but you should also remember who is filming and posting all this videos and for what this person is know off-show................

[QUOTE=LexBlair;307566]aha.. but you should also remember who is filming and posting all this videos and for what this person is know off-show................[/QUOTE] True, but I'm fairly certain Abe is aware she is filming him and isn't oblivious to the fact that they will be posted.

[QUOTE=Treetrunk;307563]Attention seeking behaviors anyone? I find it interesting that many of his antics get caught on video or are posted through various other social networking sites.[/QUOTE] There's a video that shows Abram's face accidentally getting lit on fire. They go on these strange vacations and film them and during one of these like fire ceremony things, the fire shot back in Abram's face.

Here's my scoring system to determine who is the greatest challenger of all time. To score points, you either have to win a final, make a final, win an elimination round, win a mission on a challenge with pairs or individual (Fresh Meats, Duels, Rivals, Exes, Battle of the Seasons), or win a life shield or life saver. -6 points for winning a challenge (+2 for Duel, +1 for Fresh Meat, Rivals, Battle of the Sexes, Battle of the Exes) -4 points for second place (+1 for duel fm, rivals, BOTS, exes) -3 points for a final (+1 for duel fm, rivals, BOTS, exes) -Elimination round-2 points for beating great competitor, 1.5 for solid, 1 for bad, -1 point for life shield or life saver, 2 for individual/partner mission win Also, I took records from every team challenge the competitor has been in and came up with their overall record. -Overall team challenge win pct x 10 (must have competed in 10 team missions or automatic 5) Miscellaneous -2 point for winning a face off on The island -Abe -1 for quitting the island, mark -0 for losing Bots2, medical injury= -0, quitting -2, -1 for I Can losses in the duel 1 You lose points by not making the finals and/or losing an elimination round. - -1 for losing to great competitor, -1.5 for solid, -1 to bad) - -2 for not making finals Men 1. Kenny (65) 2. Evan (48.5) 3. Bananas (46.9) 4. Landon (46.7) 5. CT (37.2) 6.Darrell (36) 7.Derrick (35.3) 8. Miz (31.2) 9. Mark (29.3) 10.Wes (29) 11.Alton (27.8) 12. Theo (27.5) 13. Jamie (26.5) 14.Abe (25.3) 15. Dan (24.8) 16. Brad (23) 17. Tyler (21.7) 18. Timmy (21.3) 19. Roni (19.8) 20. Frank (13.1) Women 1. Ev (38.8) 2. Laurel (38) 3. Coral (33.5) 4. Susie (31.4) 5. Jodi (28) 6. Paula (25.5) 7. Veronica (25.1) 8. Jenn (22.3) 9. Rachel (21.5) 10. Emily (20.5) 11.Jill (20) 12. Diem (19.4) 13. Holly (19.2) 14. Camilla (16.5) 15. Cara Maria (15) 16.Tori (14.9) 17. Kina (14.5) 18.Cara (14) 19. Kelly Anne (12) 20. Tina (11.5) Best Individual Seasons Jodi 20 duel Kenny 16.5 fm2 Laurel 16.5 fm2 Ev 16.5 rivals Paula 16.5 rivals Evan 16 d2 Rachel 16 d2 Camilla 15 exes Bananas 15 exes Bananas 15 rivals Tyler 15 rivals Landon 14.5 fm2 Wes 14 duel Darrell 13 fm Miz 12 i2 This system does have some flaws. The scores given from elimination wins are my subjective thoughts and how many points should be given for a win/loss. Also, people who have been on more challenges have a better chance to have higher scores, for instance Emily has only been on 2 challenges and is only in 10th place, but give her another challenge and she should be near the top. It also doesn't directly take into account the social game of the Challenge, but in some ways it does. Kenny is far and away the top ranked player mainly due to his ability to make almost every final without going into elimination rounds. Same with Coral and Jenn, who have each made 4 finals despite being the best competitors. Overall though, I think it works pretty well as it got in my opinion the best male and female players of all time right.

I'm wondering why Laurel hasn't been invited back since Rivals. She's the kind of person you would think they'd just constantly have coming back. Do you think its possible MTV might have banned her for her antics?

[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;307678]This system does have some flaws... Also, people who have been on more challenges have a better chance to have higher scores, for instance Emily has only been on 2 challenges and is only in 10th place, but give her another challenge and she should be near the top.[/QUOTE] Divide their scores by the number of seasons they have been on ;)

[QUOTE=ILoveRW;307709]I'm wondering why Laurel hasn't been invited back since Rivals. She's the kind of person you would think they'd just constantly have coming back. Do you think its possible MTV might have banned her for her antics?[/QUOTE] I don't think so. She didn't have an ex for last season and the new cast... **** knows what is going on with the new cast. Because personally I don't get why they asked people like Cara Maria or Camila for FM2 when there are so much more fresh meats who could come like rookies.

[QUOTE=ILoveRW;307709]I'm wondering why Laurel hasn't been invited back since Rivals. She's the kind of person you would think they'd just constantly have coming back. Do you think its possible MTV might have banned her for her antics?[/QUOTE] Laurel was actually a back up partner for CT in exes, just incase Diem had refused.

Actually I wish they would've put CT and Laurel as partners and Derrick put together with Diem.

[QUOTE=ILoveRW;307709]I'm wondering why Laurel hasn't been invited back since Rivals. She's the kind of person you would think they'd just constantly have coming back. Do you think its possible MTV might have banned her for her antics?[/QUOTE] It isn't that Laurel hasn't been invited back, it's that she hasn't accepted an invitation or that production has not needed her. She has a great job, and maybe she is saving her vacation time and waiting for the right opportunity to come along that showcases her strengths (read: an individual challenge) before she accepts another invitation. It might be about the money for some of these challengers as its how they make their living, but I have a feeling that for Laurel it isn't; it's about the competition as well. Plus, Rivals was only two challenges ago, including the one currently filming...nothing to start worrying about. We'll see her again. [QUOTE=mizwood;307714]Actually I wish they would've put CT and Laurel as partners and Derrick put together with Diem.[/QUOTE] That would require Derrick's wife allowing him to do a challenge.