[QUOTE=Challenge_Fan;284571]So who told her about the alleged ****? Since she was unconscious.
Also, this reminds me of how Big Easy Tea Bagged Kenny on the Duel.[/QUOTE]That's the thing.....I can see this being a joke that got took too far. In the eyes of the law even Big Easy ********** Kenny (I think he was passed out?) could have been classified as a sexual assault. If you put your balls on a passed out individual it's sexual assault. You can argue that they are friends or that they were drunk but ON PAPER it's still a sexual assault in the eyes of the law. That's why I think even if this was a joke gone wrong, Tonya does have a leg to stand on and all the people she's implicated have reason to worry.
[QUOTE=CHill;284573]That's the thing.....I can see this being a joke that got took too far. In the eyes of the law even Big Easy ********** Kenny (I think he was passed out?) could have been classified as a sexual assault. If you put your balls on a passed out individual it's sexual assault. You can argue that they are friends or that they were drunk but ON PAPER it's still a sexual assault in the eyes of the law. That's why I think even if this was a joke gone wrong, Tonya does have a leg to stand on and all the people she's implicated have reason to worry.[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right.
Does anyone know if there are is any kind of complications regarding the Laws on these matters due to the fact that they were in foreign countries?
CHill I think that is totally contradictory, if you believe they did **** her but you dont consider them rapists? That makes 0 sense. If you **** somebody your a rapists point blank.
Could they have been joking? yes they could have but if they did do it then it doesnt make it okay...ever!
The way I look at it is that somebody told Tonya about what happened, and Tonya knows about the film that was taken and apparently so does somebody else because somebody else was obviously there seeing what was going on. There is apparently evidence and a witness or I doubt that she would get very far with it and she and her lawyer probably know that without those 2 things nothing will happen and its all for not.
The fact that its all hush hush makes Evan and Kenny even more suspicious since nobody that was there has spoken about it yet.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;284579]CHill I think that is totally contradictory, if you believe they did **** her but you dont consider them rapists? That makes 0 sense. If you **** somebody your a rapists point blank.
Could they have been joking? yes they could have but if they did do it then it doesnt make it okay...ever!
The way I look at it is that somebody told Tonya about what happened, and Tonya knows about the film that was taken and apparently so does somebody else because somebody else was obviously there seeing what was going on. There is apparently evidence and a witness or I doubt that she would get very far with it and she and her lawyer probably know that without those 2 things nothing will happen and its all for not.
The fact that its all hush hush makes Evan and Kenny even more suspicious since nobody that was there has spoken about it yet.[/QUOTE]
I think that the fact that nobody who was there has spoken about it makes Tonya seem suspicious. Not the other 2.
I have to say, some of these posts are pretty horrifying.
You think that they "probably did" insert a toothbrush in her while she was unconscious and incapable of giving consent, but you don't think that's **** because they were "just joking." Are you for real?? Let me be clear on this, as a woman - inserting ANYTHING into our ******s while we are unconscious is ****.
I also don't understand all the questions about how the other women could still be friends with these guys if this is true. What about all the men? Are guys generally more cool with being friends with rapists than women??
I hope that if this true, Tonya will get the justice she deserves, and if it is not, she will get the help she needs. But the misogynistic and threatening environment has clearly been getting out of control on the last few challenges, so I am glad to see a spotlight finally being shined on this problem.
.... Of course, that being said, it appears that some people are so horrid, they don't even bother to hide it in the face of a spotlight. As Johnny has already taken to joking about this on his Twitter.
[QUOTE=missor88;284582]I have to say, some of these posts are pretty horrifying.
You think that they "probably did" insert a toothbrush in her while she was unconscious and incapable of giving consent, but you don't think that's **** because they were "just joking." Are you for real?? Let me be clear on this, as a woman - inserting ANYTHING into our ******s while we are unconscious is ****.
I also don't understand all the questions about how the other women could still be friends with these guys if this is true. What about all the men? Are guys generally more cool with being friends with rapists than women??
I hope that if this true, Tonya will get the justice she deserves, and if it is not, she will get the help she needs. But the misogynistic and threatening environment has clearly been getting out of control on the last few challenges, so I am glad to see a spotlight finally being shined on this problem.
.... Of course, that being said, it appears that some people are so horrid, they don't even bother to hide it in the face of a spotlight. As Johnny has already taken to joking about this on his Twitter.[/QUOTE]
this isn't on Johnny's twitter and Syrus posted the TMZ article on his facebook saying that he loves Tonya and that we the viewers have no idea what really goes on in the house...
[QUOTE=missor88;284582]I have to say, some of these posts are pretty horrifying.
You think that they "probably did" insert a toothbrush in her while she was unconscious and incapable of giving consent, but you don't think that's **** because they were "just joking." Are you for real?? Let me be clear on this, as a woman - inserting ANYTHING into our ******s while we are unconscious is ****.
I also don't understand all the questions about how the other women could still be friends with these guys if this is true. What about all the men? Are guys generally more cool with being friends with rapists than women??
I hope that if this true, Tonya will get the justice she deserves, and if it is not, she will get the help she needs. But the misogynistic and threatening environment has clearly been getting out of control on the last few challenges, so I am glad to see a spotlight finally being shined on this problem.
.... Of course, that being said, it appears that some people are so horrid, they don't even bother to hide it in the face of a spotlight. As Johnny has already taken to joking about this on his Twitter.[/QUOTE]
Nobody said that it's not **** to insert a toothbrush into an unconscious woman's ******.
Also, did you ever think that Johnny joking about it isn't because he's horrid? But rather because he was probably there and thus he knows a heck of a lot more about it than you? Or even Tonya for that matter.
[QUOTE=jhl182;284584]this isn't on Johnny's twitter and Syrus posted the TMZ article on his facebook saying that he loves Tonya and that we the viewers have no idea what really goes on in the house...[/QUOTE]
??? Johnny does joke about it on his twitter:
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Tonya Cooley just sued the Cardinals for raping David Freese...Too soon?? @MTVBananas #WorldSeries
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@FreddiePhysical Ha Ha No way! I'm all about tasteless jokes! ****** awesome dude!
As for "[I]did you ever think that Johnny joking about it isn't because he's horrid? But rather because he was probably there and thus he knows a heck of a lot more about it than you? Or even Tonya for that matter.[/I] " How could he know more about what happened than Tonya? Either he was present when it happened, meaning it DID happen, or he wasn't, in which case he has no further knowledge than Tonya.
And regardless, that still doesn't make it okay to joke about ****. I mean, come on - are people serious with this?? Do you honestly think that the appropriate response to a **** accusation is to laugh? True or false, either way, it's a serious situation.
[I]Nobody said that it's not **** to insert a toothbrush into an unconscious woman's ******.[/I]
CHill very plainly said that he believed it DID happen, but it was probably just a joke gone out of control, and so thus not ****.
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Syrus, who was there, has Tonya's back...
[QUOTE=missor88;284586]??? Johnny does joke about it on his twitter:
FreddiePhysical Don Smiley
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@FreddiePhysical Ha Ha No way! I'm all about tasteless jokes! ****** awesome dude!
As for "[I]did you ever think that Johnny joking about it isn't because he's horrid? But rather because he was probably there and thus he knows a heck of a lot more about it than you? Or even Tonya for that matter.[/I] " How could he know more about what happened than Tonya? Either he was present when it happened, meaning it DID happen, or he wasn't, in which case he has no further knowledge than Tonya.
And regardless, that still doesn't make it okay to joke about ****. I mean, come on - are people serious with this?? Do you honestly think that the appropriate response to a **** accusation is to laugh? True or false, either way, it's a serious situation.
[I]Nobody said that it's not **** to insert a toothbrush into an unconscious woman's ******.[/I]
CHill very plainly said that he believed it DID happen, but it was probably just a joke gone out of control, and so thus not ****.[/QUOTE]
Johnny was there on the Ruins, he obviously has a much better idea of what his 2 best friends are doing while they're sharing a room than an unconscious Tonya does. It appears that Tonya's side of this story is heresay, so yes I do think Johnny could very well know more about the situation than Tonya.
And absolutely, it'd be ok for him to laugh at if he knows it's a lie. If somebody claimed that my bestfriends raped them and I knew it was a lie, I'd absolutely laugh it off.
And No, that is a total misquote! CHill said that although it was probably a drunken joke taken too far, it was NOT ok! And that they were not rapists in every sense of the word. That's far from saying that isn't ****.
I sent the link to a few cast members (Syrus being one of them) and the only person that responded was Johanna in a private message. She asked me to delete the tweet because she doesn't want her name to be associated. Whether she said that due to her career that she's trying to broaden or she just doesn't want to be involved because she knows its true, I don't know. She of course could know nothing and sees this as a huge issue between people she knows and doesn't want to take sides.
[QUOTE=Challenge_Fan;284588]Johnny was there on the Ruins, he obviously has a much better idea of what his 2 best friends are doing while they're sharing a room than an unconscious Tonya does. It appears that Tonya's side of this story is heresay, so yes I do think Johnny could very well know more about the situation than Tonya.
And absolutely, it'd be ok for him to laugh at if he knows it's a lie. If somebody claimed that my bestfriends raped them and I knew it was a lie, I'd absolutely laugh it off.
And No, that is a total misquote! CHill said that although it was probably a drunken joke taken too far, it was NOT ok! And that they were not rapists in every sense of the word. That's far from saying that isn't ****.[/QUOTE]So again, either you are saying that Johnny was present, in the room, when the incident happened, in which case it DID happen. Or he is simply trusting what his two friends [I]say [/I]happened. Which does not give him ANY greater knowledge of the situation. He just picked his side.
And I guess we are clearly very different people, because if two of my good friends were accused of a **** they did not commit, I would not be laughing. I would be horrified. This could ruin their careers, their lives. **** is a serious charge, and fighting the accusation as well as the public's negative perception of you is a serious battle. Unless, like Johnny, you think people thinking your friends are rapists is just a laugh riot.
As for a "misquote" - if you **** someone, you are a rapist. The only way to not be a "rapist in every sense of the word" is if the act isn't really ****. Which again, he felt it was more so just a joke gone wrong. So I reiterate - putting anything in a woman's ****** without her informed consent is ****. Period. In every sense of the word. It is not joking around gone too far. It is ****. And they would be rapists. In every sense of the word.
[QUOTE=Challenge_Fan;284588]Johnny was there on the Ruins, he obviously has a much better idea of what his [B]2 best friends [/B]are doing while they're sharing a room than an unconscious Tonya does. It appears that Tonya's side of this story is heresay, so yes I do think Johnny could very well know more about the situation than Tonya.[/QUOTE]
Don't you think Johnny would cover it up for his friends?
While I believe that they could've done this, I also think that people who were actually there seeing the incident, would've tried to stop it. So, as much as I don't like Evan and Kenny, I wouldn't really want to say that they're guilty just yet.
[QUOTE=Challenge_Fan;284588]Johnny was there on the Ruins, he obviously has a much better idea of what his 2 best friends are doing while they're sharing a room than an unconscious Tonya does. It appears that Tonya's side of this story is heresay, so yes I do think Johnny could very well know more about the situation than Tonya.
And absolutely, it'd be ok for him to laugh at if he knows it's a lie. If somebody claimed that my bestfriends raped them and I knew it was a lie, I'd absolutely laugh it off.
And No, that is a total misquote! CHill said that although it was probably a drunken joke taken too far, it was NOT ok! And that they were not rapists in every sense of the word. That's far from saying that isn't ****.[/QUOTE]
I understand that Evan and Kenny are your favorites and you will come up with any rational as to why they are innocent or why they did what they did....but Johnny is a **** and will always be a ****, I'm pretty sure most castmembers would agree with that. He was probably apart of the whole thing as well, is jokes arent funny as you could probably see even with selective vision and hearing.
[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;284551]I'm personally not going to nail Kenny nor Evan to the wall because innocent until proven guilty and we haven't heard from any other cast member who was there at the time to confirm/deny it.[/QUOTE]
and you probably won't. These people's public careers are tied to BMP and they know what side their bread is buttered on whether they know something or not.
[QUOTE=Mondo;284535]Well Im in family law, but this is what I remember about torts from law school and the[B] Respondent Superior part might be wrong.
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BMP will not be liable for the ****. **** is battery in tort law, there is not a tort of **** and battery is an intentional tort. For intentional torts the employer will not be liable for the employees actions, only negligent actions. So, for the actual battery only Kenny and Evan would be liable assuming its true. Also for the actual battery she probably cannot prove damages so that does not matter anyways. For example, these are the reasons why someone like Adam couldnt sue BMP in the fight with CT
What she will probably sue under is intentional infliction of emotional distress for both BMP and the guys. If production really did cover it up, then she might have a case even though there is a contract. I do not think you can contract out of intentional torts; therefore, because they covered it up, it might be deemed extreme and outrageous conduct that caused extreme emotional distress for Tonya. As opposed to a negligent claim to where you can contract out. For example if someone dies on a show because of negligence and in the contract it says they cannot sue then they cant because they 'assumed the risk' but IIED is not negligent it is intentional so that clause does not apply. So, the cover up and not the **** is really what she is suing under and whether it caused extreme emotional distress.
[B]Using medical malpractice is a horrible analogy to this[/B] because medical malpractice torts take a whole lot into account that these contracts do not. Basically, there is different policies behind medical malpractice, informed consent versus a contract for a game show. It would take a couple of days to explain the difference though because there is alot that goes into informed consent and medical malpractice law. Basically, they are completely two separate things
For the jurisdiction issue, I have no idea. Of course if she can sue it would be federal because she would be suing under something like an Alien tort Act, especially with Evan but I do not know and it is not like I will ever need to know.[/QUOTE]
The medical malpractice was not an analogy to this but an example as to that courts can throw out contracts. I'm not a law student, but based on the article I don't think they are using Respondent Superior at all--I think they are going after BMP as a co-conspirator/accessory. I assume they would also argue that since BMP owed her a duty to protect her when she was passed out assuming BMP put the alcohol in the house.
This happened over two years ago and she is just now filing the lawsuit? It looks like Tonya is trying to cash in on the money Kenny and Evan made on the Ruins. I hope this doesn't effect other challenges that come because if it does then MTV is done.
[QUOTE=blackinwhite;284600]This happened over two years ago and she is just now filing the lawsuit? It looks like Tonya is trying to cash in on the money Kenny and Evan made on the Ruins. I hope this doesn't effect other challenges that come because if it does then MTV is done.[/QUOTE]
You don't the exact date when she filed it. She might've done it much earlier.
This doesn't really surprise me..I mean we've seen some of the **** that those 3 Idiots do on these shows it really isn't out of the realm for something like this to happen...But I don't think this happened. because like someone else said. I don't think any of the cast and/or crew is going to just sit back and let someone get raped on the show. Especially with the legal consequenses that could come into play.
But if this did happen..My Hate for JEK grows ten fold and if there is a god..those 3 ******** will never be seen on a challenge again.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;284603]This doesn't really surprise me..I mean we've seen some of the **** that those 3 Idiots do on these shows it really isn't out of the realm for something like this to happen...But I don't think this happened. because like someone else said. [B]I don't think any of the cast and/or crew is going to just sit back and let someone get raped on the show. Especially with the legal consequenses that could come into play.[/B]
But if this did happen..My Hate for JEK grows ten fold and if there is a god..those 3 ******** will never be seen on a challenge again.[/QUOTE]
My gut instinct is that people would have seen this as a joke or a prank not as a "****" in any traditional sense of the word if it did happen and they found out about it. I believe something happened as I don't believe that if she were going to make something up it would have been this bizarre of a story. The only real questions to me are legal stuff--like how can a US court decide a case against a Canadian for something that happened in Thailand--and the hope that BMP cleans up its act as to the RW & Challenges because this kind of stupid behavior is what turns me off those shows yet it seems to be what BMP rewards.
I see people talking about criminal charges, could this be that she is sueing in civil court not in criminal court? That she is just looking to get paid? I just read the article and what I don't understand is how she knows it happened if she was passed out.
Sadly, I really wouldn't be surprised if this happened. They were HORRIBLE on the ruins. Whether its true or not hopefully they grow up.
I agree no one from the cast is going to comment, although I am sure some know if this actually happened.
[QUOTE=GiggidyGoo90;284471][B]So is this also why Kimberly doesn't want to do another challenge? Because I kept hearing she won't do another one due to a bad experience on The Ruins and I never heard[/B] why, so I guess this is why because production would encourage the drunk guy cast members to take advantage of the other drunk girl cast members.[/QUOTE]
Must be it, totally. LOL. Quite the unfounded leap.
Another article...pretty much same stuff in the tmz one.
Real World's Tonya Sues MTV for Allegedly Filming ****
MOVIES, TV & MUSIC
OCTOBER 28, 2011 AT 11:59AM
BY REBECCA MACATEE
Reality TV went too far this time.
Tonya Cooley, a cast member of MTV's The Real World/Road Rules Challenge: The Ruins, alleges that males on the show sexually assaulted her during production, TMZ reports. In a lawsuit obtained by the site, Cooley is suing MTV Bunim/Murray Productions and those involved with the show for knowingly condoning the assault, including one instance of being raped with a toothbrush.
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The reality star claims that the abuse happened when she was passed out cold, and cameras were filming. According to TMZ, Cooley claims the show's producers knew about the ****, replaced the toothbrush in question, and never told her what occurred.
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Cooley's suit also alleges that male cast members were encouraged by producers to "inappropriately touch female cast members' bodies, including in intimate areas."
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She also claims in the lawsuit that she and other female cast members reported the sexual abuse but nothing was done.
According to TMZ, Cooley claims she was kicked off the show for slapping another cast member, yet no disciplinary action was taken against the men who allegedly raped her.
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I tried to put the link. But it was censored..thus not leading you to article.
Someone had also mentioned kim before too. Like when they went into the shower and he was throwing everything at her(I think that was johnny). She did look upset. It was on the S#*t they should have shown. Yeah this is definitely not good for the show.
I am so torn right now. I don't want to watch any BMP shows if this really happened and they did absolutely nothing but cover it up, but I do like some things about RW and some of the casts, and the Kardashian so not sure what to do. Don't wanna put money in their pockets but still want to support the cast members I like.
[QUOTE=Challenge_Fan;284581]I think that the fact that nobody who was there has spoken about it makes Tonya seem suspicious. Not the other 2.[/QUOTE]
Maybe by contract cast members couldn't speak about that.
I do think this is completely true though. ****, I would have never expected any of this legal stuff to affect the challenges maybe ILM but not the challenges!
[SIZE="4"]And maybe Tonya has been going through trying to sue but the news broke just now! [/SIZE] Don't assume she just so happened to do it now. But I really want to hear what Kenny, Evan, Tonya, Wes, Kellyanne, Brad, and Johanna say about this. This is a very interesting case. This actually sort of affect Jersey Shore because they had Kenny interview them online all the time.
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