The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

[QUOTE=molds13;271790] So like I don't recall her ever specifically saying she was banned from challenges. The producer, Justin Booth (who is a ********* and, as far as I know, no longer has the title of producer), told people not to give her information because she informed Derrick's wife (who is crazy), who was constantly harassing her with emails regarding his safety and well-being, that he was ok.[/QUOTE] It was Derrick's wife (I say this out of incredulity not out of questioning your knowledge)?! The one guy who had done far and away more challenges than anyone else there aside from the guy whose wife was with him? Crazy or not you would think that she would know better as that was his THIRD challenge since they got married. Emilee probably only told her for fear that she would be killed in her sleep.

[QUOTE=JL81790;271796]It was Derrick's wife (I say this out of incredulity not out of questioning your knowledge)?! The one guy who had done far and away more challenges than anyone else there aside from the guy whose wife was with him? Crazy or not you would think that she would know better as that was his THIRD challenge since they got married. Emilee probably only told her for fear that she would be killed in her sleep.[/QUOTE] Yes, yes, you would think that, and probably.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;271791]Yes that was pretty much the question. The reason I believed she was banned was because of this sentence in her blog "Flash ahead 2 weeks. Vin comes home and tells me he’s not allowed to talk to me about the challenge because the head producer told him, ‘Emilee is never coming back, and if you tell her anything, neither will you.’" And I think Derrick discussed it with Jonna/Jasmine and it was said there that she was banned. But I guess it was just the producer saying that if she really isn't. Since we're on the topic though, is David Leech banned and if so, [B]would Booth leaving possibly open the door for him to return?[/B][/QUOTE] My personal view is that Booth's departure (if true) leaves the adults in charge. Scott Freeman is a prince of a guy whom I respect greatly, has to know there are guilty parties on all sides. The smart thing to do is to adroitly manage cast and crew, and engage the outside interested parties in a responsible dialogue about how to increase the audience size and protect the really valuable info -- as I think molds13 has done very responsibly. People don't spread spoiler information because they hate the show, they do so because they 1) love the show, 2) don't always understand what information can be damaging -- and why, and 3) love the show! There is no reason everyone can't be on the same team.

[QUOTE=molds13;271798]Yes, yes, you would think that, and probably.[/QUOTE] That's crazy. Any idea how the word got back to BMP that Emilee had said something? I assume she had the foresight to not to it in a public forum, which would make me think that Derrick's wife tried to get in contact with him and then spilled the beans on Emilee. Pure speculation on my part, of course, and if you can't say I understand.

[url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=11427][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/32104e4d8fc708338.png[/img][/url] I definitely would not be surprised if she ends up on another one.

I personally like a lot of the newer cast members as far as competitive and entertainment value go. Brandon Laurel Noor Leroy Cohutta (come back man!) Camila Sarah Emily from DC Dustin from Hollywood (If he decides to do them I think he will be entertaining) Chet The main thing they seem to be missing are the really good competitors besides Laurel.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;271827]I'm sorry but that is BS. I think they're plenty of people from newer seasons who can lead the challenges. They just haven't been given a chance to shine. [B]And Honestly JEK and Wes aren't all that interesting.[/B] Ever since those Idiots took over the challenges have gone to *********] Exactly I'd rather watch Dustin, Leroy, Cara, Laurel, Ty, Adam, Jasmine, Joanne, Michael, even Vinny! Then five for challenge of JEKW and Jenn and Paula.

[QUOTE=Calinks;271830]I personally like a lot of the newer cast members as far as competitive and entertainment value go. Brandon Laurel Noor Leroy Cohutta (come back man!) Camila Sarah Emily from DC Dustin from Hollywood (If he decides to do them I think he will be entertaining) Chet The main thing they seem to be missing are the really good competitors besides Laurel.[/QUOTE] Good list, I'd add Ty, Andrew(If he ever does one), Jonna and Jasmine. They could get a lot of new entertaining people who are much more interesting than Paula, Dunbar, Evan, and Kenny. I personally think Wes, Tyler, and Johnny should keep doing challenges forever and ever until they are old and gray.

Yea there are a lot of people. Def would add Jonna and Jasmine to my list they were great this season! There are a lot of people who just did one or two shows but never came back. I would like to see them again. Brittni from the Duel II was very good. Aviv from Fresh Meat was good as well.

Jasmine Jonna Leroy Kimberly Dustin Brittini Pete Brandon Camila Emily (D.C) Laurel Cara Maria Cohutta Aviv Ty Joey (Hollywood) Noor Brianna I think those people need to do a challenge for the first time or again.

[QUOTE=JL81790;271812]That's crazy. Any idea how the word got back to BMP that Emilee had said something? I assume she had the foresight to not to it in a public forum, which would make me think that Derrick's wife tried to get in contact with him and then spilled the beans on Emilee. Pure speculation on my part, of course, and if you can't say I understand.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how Derrick's wife thinks...but that seems like fairly accurate speculation to me. However, you do have to understand that during Cutthroat, the [I]only[/I] person who had contact with anyone in the US was Dan (at least as far as I know, and as far as I'm concerned that was necessary for his safety and well-being). Cast members were not even allowed to call family to let them know they had arrived in Prague safely. Counter that with not having any idea where someone is going, just that they are getting on a plane and leaving for 6+ weeks...that can't be fun to think about. What if a plane had crashed? I'd certainly be terrified. I suppose I can understand why she was freaking out, and it was very nice of Emilee to reassure her that Derrick was ok. However, how did she find out Emilee was home in the first place? It couldn't have possibly been that she had been reading Vevmo...:rolleyes: When cast members' family members are sending us messages to keep them updated on their loved ones...there's a bit of a problem, wouldn't you think? As far as I know, any of the information given to Amy from Emilee was not spoiler-riffic nor worthy of any discipline from BMP producers. The "I swear if you tell her anything you'll never be on a challenge again" is a ridiculous open-ended threat from Justin Booth that I consider to be similar to middle school gossip. People talk. It's how I get my spoilers. Sure, Justin and BMP can focus on Emilee if they want, but they should also realize that there are much bigger fish to fry in terms of who's doling out the goodies. Guess what? Emilee was the first person eliminated. I still got all of the spoilers for Cutthroat. Guess what? Emilee wasn't even on Rivals or Fresh Meat II. And I still got all of the spoilers for those seasons too. [QUOTE=Debut Album;271828]Isn't she banned from challenges though?[/QUOTE] Sigh...I had just answered that 10 posts before yours.

[QUOTE=molds13;271928]I'm not sure how Derrick's wife thinks...but that seems like fairly accurate speculation to me. However, you do have to understand that during Cutthroat, the [I]only[/I] person who had contact with anyone in the US was Dan (at least as far as I know, and as far as I'm concerned that was necessary for his safety and well-being). Cast members were not even allowed to call family to let them know they had arrived in Prague safely.[/QUOTE] Now I've got a question about this. I heard that cast members were allowed to write out e-mails (though it was a big pain in the *** of a process) and then production may type them up and send them. I assume not that many got sent, but that would constitute contact, wouldn't it? And I assume by contact you mean outside of a single phone call since Tori did get that one phone call to make sure she didn't go home or get fired, or was that just an oversight?

[QUOTE=Calinks;271830]I personally like a lot of the newer cast members as far as competitive and entertainment value go. Brandon Laurel Noor Leroy Cohutta (come back man!) Camila Sarah Emily from DC Dustin from Hollywood (If he decides to do them I think he will be entertaining) Chet The main thing they seem to be missing are the really good competitors besides Laurel.[/QUOTE] Wasn't Cohutta on this forum recently saying he's ready for another challenge?

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;271930]Now I've got a question about this. I heard that cast members were allowed to write out e-mails (though it was a big pain in the *** of a process) and then production may type them up and send them. I assume not that many got sent, but that would constitute contact, wouldn't it? And I assume by contact you mean outside of a single phone call since Tori did get that one phone call to make sure she didn't go home or get fired, or was that just an oversight?[/QUOTE] In Tori's case they didn't have much choice. Either she was going to be able to finally contact her work or she would have left the show. There is no way production could make her departure look like anything other than what it was -- a poorly thought through policy supposedly designed to isolate the cast and create more internal drama. They thought the way the managed The Island was correct, while it really only produced long-term animosity. This is an area where the on-site executive producer has to be paying more attention to the internal cast dynamic and much less attention to his own personal distractions.

I hope they have a challenge where the people that go into an elimination round get paid (like the Ruins) or can't be voted twice in a row to go in because I'm tired of the same people dominating and winning these challenges.

In the island Eve and Derrick seemed to have a huge respect for each other. I don't hate anybody on these shows but I really don't like the way Johnny plays and carries himself. Even on twitter he was smashing fans attacking the looks of one women. I mean, that stuff seems out there, there is no need for that. I don't like the way a lot of people play the game. It isn't so much the backstabbing or whatever just the way they treat people. I was furious when a few challenges back Kenny was ripping into Sarah over and over. Some of the things Laurel said, etc. etc. That's why I like players like Darrell, Landon, Eve, etc. cause they don't go out of their way to treat people like ****. I'm fine with people playing a little dirty or whatever, it's a game but the cruelty bothers me.

Joel McHale (The Soup) on reality TV (in NY Magazine) [QUOTE] "...It shows human beings at their worst. Those shows where they just say, 'Let's take a bunch of damaged people, throw them into a house, and ply them with booze and see what happens'? That's where we're using our loser brains."[/QUOTE] Does he have a point?

[QUOTE=V1man;272139]Joel McHale (The Soup) on reality TV (in NY Magazine) Does he have a point?[/QUOTE] He certainly does, but aslong as people wanna be on reality tv and people want to watch it, what is the big deal? :)

Change a few key words around and he could be giving a very brief synopsis of Community.

[QUOTE=Calinks;272138]In the island Eve and Derrick seemed to have a huge respect for each other. I don't hate anybody on these shows but I really don't like the way Johnny plays and carries himself. Even on twitter he was smashing fans attacking the looks of one women. I mean, that stuff seems out there, there is no need for that. I don't like the way a lot of people play the game. It isn't so much the backstabbing or whatever just the way they treat people. I was furious when a few challenges back Kenny was ripping into Sarah over and over. Some of the things Laurel said, etc. etc. That's why I like players like Darrell, Landon, Eve, etc. cause they don't go out of their way to treat people like ****. [B]I'm fine with people playing a little dirty or whatever, it's a game but the cruelty bothers me.[/B][/QUOTE] I agree with you there. However (and I don't like Kenny), on The Ruins Kenny would make fun of Sarah in a good-natured way, and she took it well. It was when Johnny said something that was much more mean that she got upset. And I feel like lately, he's come to realize more that there are boundaries and sometimes certain things don't need to be said. He didn't seem to be involved directly in any of the bullying against Cara Maria (and actually supported her team when the whole house was against her and Laurel), and had nothing to do with what happened with Laurel and Paula. I kind of want to re-watch some of the older seasons just to see if they're giving him a different edit lately or if he's just been more chill lately. Also, I can't wait to see Wes crash and burn next week and have KENNY push him on when Wes was "carrying" the team this whole time.

[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;272143]Change a few key words around and he could be giving a very brief synopsis of [B]Community[/B].[/QUOTE] Hey I love that show! I was just thinking about how sweet it would be to have a forum to discuss it in... More on topic, I do think Johnny's getting a better edit this season, but not by much.

I was just thinking about something and I'm curious as to what the correct answer to this is. So if you get disqualified from the show (usually for fighting), you forfeit your pay for either that week or the entire show, correct? So did Brandon not get paid for Fresh Meat II, even though his DQ seemed to be an excuse to not send Katelynn home for injuries?

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;272219]I was just thinking about something and I'm curious as to what the correct answer to this is. So if you get disqualified from the show (usually for fighting), you forfeit your pay for either that week or the entire show, correct? So did Brandon not get paid for Fresh Meat II, even though his DQ seemed to be an excuse to not send Katelynn home for injuries?[/QUOTE] If you get disqualified from the show for fighting, you, as far as I know, forfeit your pay for the entire show. For example, Adam R was not paid for coming to Costa Rica and was also responsible for his flight home. As for not paying Brandon/Katelynn or anyone DQ'd for injuries, that would just be silly.

[QUOTE=molds13;272227]If you get disqualified from the show for fighting, you, as far as I know, forfeit your pay for the entire show. For example, Adam R was not paid for coming to Costa Rica and was also responsible for his flight home. As for not paying Brandon/Katelynn or anyone DQ'd for injuries, that would just be silly.[/QUOTE] Well I mean they didn't technically DQ them for injuries, that's why I was wondering. Or you know there could be that 1% chance that they legitimately wanted to DQ them only for the beer thing, but I highly doubted that.

I still think Eric going down in the final challenge was planned. Because they knew that the rules were so much in favor of the Veterans that they would win no matter which way you looked at it. If Eric didn't go down, it would've been a pathetic final and it wouldn't be close at all. Also notice how the rule of "no man left behind" was ONLY on that challenge. On Cutthroat, Sarah and Abram went down and TJ said that Luke, Laurel, and Cara Maria could still win. Also, watch Fresh Meat when Katie & Eric were in Exile, Eric ran fine, didn't gas out, and almost won. The Gauntlet III was just a way to make the show better in terms of viewers because they know if they show Eric going down in the trailer before the season starts, everyone will want to see what happens. Now imagine them not showing that in trailer, instead the Veterans smashing the Rookies. It is a tactic to get viewers.

[QUOTE=El Scorcho;272732]I still think Eric going down in the final challenge was planned. Because they knew that the rules were so much in favor of the Veterans that they would win no matter which way you looked at it. If Eric didn't go down, it would've been a pathetic final and it wouldn't be close at all. Also notice how the rule of "no man left behind" was ONLY on that challenge. On Cutthroat, Sarah and Abram went down and TJ said that Luke, Laurel, and Cara Maria could still win. Also, watch Fresh Meat when Katie & Eric were in Exile, Eric ran fine, didn't gas out, and almost won. The Gauntlet III was just a way to make the show better in terms of viewers because they know if they show Eric going down in the trailer before the season starts, everyone will want to see what happens. Now imagine them not showing that in trailer, instead the Veterans smashing the Rookies. It is a tactic to get viewers.[/QUOTE] I don't really know if production could "plan" someone going down. I mean, Diem could have twisted her ankle on a fluke and then wouldn't be able to go on unless they carried her. There was no way they could've carried Eric. The no man left behind thing, I think had entirely to do with the fact that that was the season that Army Strong was heavily shoved down our throats and I think they wanted to give them some sort of nod. Tj also says it to the player's so it definitely wasn't edited in at last minute.

[QUOTE=El Scorcho;272732]I still think Eric going down in the final challenge was planned. Because they knew that the rules were so much in favor of the Veterans that they would win no matter which way you looked at it. If Eric didn't go down, it would've been a pathetic final and it wouldn't be close at all. Also notice how the rule of "no man left behind" was ONLY on that challenge. On Cutthroat, Sarah and Abram went down and TJ said that Luke, Laurel, and Cara Maria could still win. Also, watch Fresh Meat when Katie & Eric were in Exile, Eric ran fine, didn't gas out, and almost won. The Gauntlet III was just a way to make the show better in terms of viewers because they know if they show Eric going down in the trailer before the season starts, everyone will want to see what happens. Now imagine them not showing that in trailer, instead the Veterans smashing the Rookies. It is a tactic to get viewers.[/QUOTE] None of them are good enough actors to pull that off. There are only six former challenge cast members with the acting chops to pull off that kind of charade, and not one of them was present in those scenarios. I can guarantee that Eric is incapable of that, and that Evelyn's reaction was pure competitive raw emotion...

[QUOTE=V1man;272743]None of them are good enough actors to pull that off. There are only six former challenge cast members with the acting chops to pull off that kind of charade, and not one of them was present in those scenarios. I can guarantee that Eric is incapable of that, and that Evelyn's reaction was pure competitive raw emotion...[/QUOTE] It's been a while since I've watched Gauntlet 3 but it bothers me that Evelyn is always singled out by fans as the only person who was upset. I seem to remember Evan yelling and Brad trying to get Eric up and moving again. I realize there was a lot of editing going on but I have to think that everyone else on that team, while concerned for Eric's welfare, was mad that this was happening. And I might be mistaken about this but didn't someone say that Eric came back to the house a couple hours after his collapse and was fine? I do remember his on-camera confessional was a very blase "Everybody can't win", which I thought was just a tad understated for what he had just cost his teammates. During that final, I was shocked at how long it took (or appeared to take) for any medical help to get to Eric. And then that female EMT inserted herself into the drama by chewing out the others instead of tending to her patient, which was very unprofessional on her part. But the saddest part about that final is that were it not for Frank and Jillian, the Veterans probably STILL would have won that challenge even if it meant waiting the 2 hours or so for Eric to get out of the hospital and finish running the final with them!!