[QUOTE=fabulous788;269493]Clearly they don't think before they speak half the time and they should probably learn. Saying what is on your mind constantly is probably better left unsaid half the time. And of course there is a line, but to be honest, I think that Laurel did cross it first in the fight between her and Paula, but that's just me. I didn't hear Paula calling Laurel any names for no apparent reason...[/QUOTE]
When you have 5 people arguing with you, and you're trying to defend your friend, you're going to attack who ever instigates, or shouldn't be in the situation in the first place. Paula should have minded her own business, and she should have separated herself from the situation. Laurel was after Wes, people started to nag Laurel, and Paula decided to jump on the bandwagon. If Laurel tells you to shut the **** up, than shut the **** up, because the issue doesn't concern you. Personally, there's nothing more irritating when someone who doesn't need to get involve, does.
Laurel will tell you how she feels, and she's not going to sugarcoat it. Also messing with CM, who is her partner, is messing with Laurel's money. That could break CM down completely, and make her lose confidence. Another reason I agree with Laurel "**** with my money, and I'm coming after you." By Twitter comments it seems a lot of people agree with the way Laurel handle the situation. Don't push somebody, and expect nothing to happen. Bullying CM was probably going on for days.
******* LOVED Laurel last night, even if what she said to Paula about her past was low. Paula deserved to be ******* out for all the **** she gave Cara Maria.
Who does she think she is? She thinks she should be apologized to when she never even thought of apologizing to Cara?
No no no.
[QUOTE=RW561015;269504]I don't love Kenny and I disagree with his actions toward Sarah. Never said so nor did I reference them. If you are concerned about his actions from The Ruins and if he got backlash for that, there are threads for that challenge somewhere.
Back to Wes, CM, Laurel, and Paula.
Paula being more hurt by Laurel than CM was by Wes - well, we surely saw CM crying after Wes did what he did to her. She was definitely hurt. Why did he need to hurt her at all? Paula did play victim a bit much on The Aftershow. She has a right to be upset that Laurel made fun of her disorder. Laurel did not try to break Paula down before finals - she clearly reacted to her partner being bullied. And Paula's level of hurt has nothing to do with CM being hurt.
We disagree on the matter and I am sure we will continue to do so.[/QUOTE]
My point was Sarah wasn't hurt by what Kenny did and Cara wasn't hurt by what happened after the show. CM just wanted a apology and she got it from him.
[QUOTE=blanky667;269514]******* LOVED Laurel last night, even if what she said to Paula about her past was low. Paula deserved to be ******* out for all the **** she gave Cara Maria.
Who does she think she is? She thinks she should be apologized to when she never even thought of apologizing to Cara?
No no no.[/QUOTE]
Paula didn't really say anything to CM..
[QUOTE=jace89;269517]Paula didn't really say anything to CM..[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter, she laughed in Cara Maria's face when she got a bottle of coke dumped all over her for no reason and egged it on... completely disrespectful.
And when Laurel was standing up to Wes following him with the bottle of coke, where she got a bottle of water thrown at her and was pretty much getting ganged up on, Paula got involved yet again and Laurel put her in her place.
She told Paula "shut the **** up" because she was talking to Wes and she still kept opening her mouth... like, no, shut your mouth and stay out of it. She got what she deserved. Although if I were Laurel, I wouldn't have thrown blows at her past but still I LOVE Laurel for sticking up for her partner.
CT/Laurel were defending each other on the aftershow in each of their personal drama's from the episode. Found that interesting. Wes looked dumb saying at first how Cara was annoying and he isn't sorry, to sitting on the ground apologizing. He only apologized for appearance sake. He didn't mean it at all IMO.
Paula/Laurel back and forth was just uncomfortable just like the reunion with her/Easy. I am not on either side. Both were wrong in certain parts, and neither deserves to have such personal insults thrown at them. Laurel's intent was right to stand up for Cara, than she went too far with it. Paula got a taste back from being a "mean girl" laughing with the in crowd, to being on the other side of it. But once again, it went too far.
Cara is a bit overdramatic too which casued Laurel to snap. If Cara wasn't hysterically crying over being told no one likes her and having soda poured on her, Laurel probably would not have reacted like she did. They were all wrestling with body paint on, so at that point a shower was probably needed anyway. Not to defend Wes at all, he just enjoys getting under people's skin on these shows. I doubt he expected that big of a reaction though.
For being 25 and up for most part, these people all act like they are in high school. Pretty sad that the mob actually buys into that stuff, the nickname fits. FYI Cara is going to be on Katie/Robin's show/videochat tonight.
[QUOTE=blanky667;269519]It doesn't matter, she laughed in Cara Maria's face when she got a bottle of coke dumped all over her for no reason and egged it on... completely disrespectful.
And when Laurel was standing up to Wes following him with the bottle of coke, where she got a bottle of water thrown at her and was pretty much getting ganged up on, Paula got involved yet again and Laurel put her in her place.
She told Paula "shut the **** up" because she was talking to Wes and she still kept opening her mouth... like, no, shut your mouth and stay out of it. She got what she deserved. Although if I were Laurel, I wouldn't have thrown blows at her past but still I LOVE Laurel for sticking up for her partner.[/QUOTE]
How doesn't it matter? And how do you know it wasn't for no reason?
Why would Wes say "you got me good" if he did it for no reason.
Laurel didn't put Paula in her place, all she did was say all the things she saw on tv.
[QUOTE=jace89;269523]How doesn't it matter? And how do you know it wasn't for no reason?
Why would wes say "you got me good" if he did it for no reason.
Laurel didn't put paula in her place, all she did was say all the things she saw on tv.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter because even if Paula didn't say anything to her, Paula still egged the situation on and was completely disrespectful to Cara Maria...
Wes has stated many times and he explained on the after show that he finds Cara Maria annoying and that he doesn't like her, and since he can't fight her he poured a bottle of soda on her head, it's pretty much for no reason. There are many people that I find annoying but I just ignore them, I don't pour coke all over them and make them cry. :|
Laurel did put Paula in her place, she shut her up. Paula can dish it but she can't take it.
[QUOTE=blanky667;269524]It doesn't matter because even if Paula didn't say anything to her, Paula still egged the situation on and was completely disrespectful to Cara Maria...
Wes has stated many times and he explained on the after show that he finds Cara Maria annoying and that he doesn't like her, and since he can't fight her he poured a bottle of soda on her head, it's pretty much for no reason. There are many people that I find annoying but I just ignore them, I don't pour coke all over them and make them cry. :|
Laurel did put Paula in her place, she shut her up. Paula can dish it but she can't take it.[/QUOTE]
How was she disrespectful to CM?
You can't say it was for no reason when clearly NOTHING WAS SHOWN!!
The only thing we saw was a empty bottle and CM wet.
[QUOTE=jace89;269526]How was she disrespectful to CM?
You can't say it was for no reason when clearly NOTHING WAS SHOWN!!
The only thing we saw was a empty bottle and cm wet.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at? No we weren't shown anybody pouring pop on Cara Maria but it has been made pretty clear that Wes poured it on her head... he's admitted to it twice now (on the show and aftershow) and everybody else has stated the same.
I found Paula to be disrespectful mostly for being so smug and self-entitled during the entire confrontation. It was shown that Paula was waving her little hands at Cara Maria telling her to go away and laughing and high-fiving Wes after he told her nobody liked her and poured the drink on her head. That's not disrespectful?
[QUOTE=jace89;269526]How was she disrespectful to CM?
You can't say it was for no reason when clearly NOTHING WAS SHOWN!!
The only thing we saw was a empty bottle and cm wet.[/QUOTE]What do you mean how was she disrespectful to Cara Maria...? Did you, like, not watch the show?
She laughed in her face when she got soda dumped all over her and gave Wes high fives and egged Wes on, how is that not disrespectful?
Wes stated his reasoning for dumping the soda on her on the after show and it was because she was annoying and he didn't like her which is basically for no reason.
Even if there was a more valid reason and they didn't show it, I'm going off by what I saw as a viewer. My opinion = Paula deserved what she got and she got put in her place, Cara Maria and Laurel FTW.
[QUOTE=blanky667;269528]What do you mean how was she disrespectful to Cara Maria...? Did you, like, not watch the show?
She laughed in her face when she got soda dumped all over her and gave Wes high fives and egged Wes on, how is that not disrespectful?
Wes stated his reasoning for dumping the soda on her on the after show and it was because she was annoying and he didn't like her which is basically for no reason.
Even if there was a more valid reason and they didn't show it, I'm going off by what I saw as a viewer. My opinion = Paula deserved what she got and she got put in her place, Cara Maria and Laurel FTW.[/QUOTE]
You do know the whole house was going crazy throwing things at each other and wrestling with each other while having fun? If you go based on the tone of the house pouring soda on someone like that isn't big of a stretch and one can say Wes' actions were circumstantial.
How is Paula laughing disrespectful? So when Mike got cookies thrown at him (and by your silly standards BULLIED) by Johnny, it was also disrespectful for the others to laugh?
[QUOTE=jace89;269529]You do know the whole house was going crazy throwing things at each other and wrestling with each other while having fun? If you go based on the tone of the house pouring soda on someone like that isn't big of a stretch and one can say wes's actions were circumstantial.[/QUOTE]
Jace, if that's your opinion, then isn't it Cara Maria's fault because if she didn't freak out over the soda (which I said on my post I thought overreaction) Laurel would not have gone at Paula.
[QUOTE=jace89;269529]You do know the whole house was going crazy throwing things at each other and wrestling with each other while having fun? If you go based on the tone of the house pouring soda on someone like that isn't big of a stretch and one can say wes's actions were circumstantial.[/QUOTE]Yes, I do know that, but Wes said many times that the reason why he poured the soda all over Cara Maria is because he doesn't like her... it wasn't just for fun.
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[QUOTE=blanky667;269532]Yes, I do know that, but Wes said many times that the reason why he poured the soda all over Cara Maria is because he doesn't like her... it wasn't just for fun.
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LOL, but wes says a lot of things like that in which he doesn't mean. Wes is the villain on these shows now and most of the things that come out his mouth is merely for show.
[QUOTE=jace89;269472]Say what you will about Wes, but he's hands down the best political player the challenge has ever seen.
Wes used his partner Kenny's alliance to slowly pick off members of JEK and made it seem like he had nothing to do with it.
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I think this statement is just plain wrong in regards to both this challenge and Wes's challenge career as a whole (which I won't get into here because it is off topic).
How did Wes play an amazing political game in this game? He had Paula, Johnny, Evan, Cara, Jenn, Sarah and initially Brandon's votes on his side by virtue of Kenny alone. He didn't do any campaigning or convincing to get them. Had he not been with Kenny he would have had at BEST Nehemiah, Evelyn and Mandi on his side. Unless a political move was getting on Kenny's bad side at some point in his life in preparation for this challenge.
He also made no political moves to "pick off" J&E. Evan wanted to go against CT because he wanted to go home. In last night's game Laurel and Cara were guaranteed to vote with Kenny, and Paula and Evelyn said they hadn't been told who to vote for so they voted based on Kenny's closeness with Paula, so they were at worst guaranteed a tie based on how MikeRoy voted. I'm not seeing the brilliance here (or in any past challenges, but that is, again, a debate for another thread).
[QUOTE=jace89;269533]LOL, but wes says a lot of things like that in which he doesn't mean. Wes is the villain on these shows now and most of the things that come out his mouth is merely for show.[/QUOTE]That doesn't matter at all... it still hurt Cara Maria's feelings and made her cry, it doesn't matter if he meant it or not - he still did it and it hurt her a lot. Paula egged the behavior on also and laughed in Cara's face and only made it worse which is why I think Paula deserved what she got.
Laurel and Cara for the win.
Okay bye.
P.S - Wes is overrated.
By her tweets seems like Paula is getting attacked on Twitter. The majority of people agree with what Laurel did...as much as I like Paula, she deserved it.
[QUOTE=JL81790;269534]I think this statement is just plain wrong in regards to both this challenge and Wes's challenge career as a whole (which I won't get into here because it is off topic).
How did Wes play an amazing political game in this game? He had Paula, Johnny, Evan, Cara, Jenn, Sarah and initially Brandon's votes on his side by virtue of Kenny alone. He didn't do any campaigning or convincing to get them. Had he not been with Kenny he would have had at BEST Nehemiah, Evelyn and Mandi on his side. Unless a political move was getting on Kenny's bad side at some point in his life in preparation for this challenge.
He also made no political moves to "pick off" J&E. Evan wanted to go against CT because he wanted to go home. In last night's game Laurel and Cara were guaranteed to vote with Kenny, and Paula and Evelyn said they hadn't been told who to vote for so they voted based on Kenny's closeness with Paula, so they were at worst guaranteed a tie based on how MikeRoy voted. I'm not seeing the brilliance here (or in any past challenges, but that is, again, a debate for another thread).[/QUOTE]
No, Wes convinced Evan to go into the elimination. It was all Wes' idea to begin with.
Kenny has said nothing this entire challenge and even Johnny admitted Wes was running his team.. Wes even used Kenny's friend to help him make it far.
To put it simpler...the finals can only have 3 teams. If you get one of your alliance team to face someone you know is just as strong, you have a greater chance of making it to the finals since it then becomes a win win situation just like on the Duel 1. Strong vs strong teams always end up benefiting the other teams.
I think it's funny that on Cutthroat, Tyler voted Paula in because he said "everyone should have to go in at least once" and now that he's going in the for the first time, he's freaking out.
This challenge was probably good in theory, but horribly executed. How could they not realize that a helicopter would obviously be subject to the pilot's steering and different wind conditions? CT & Adam were obviously at a disadvantage going first (Overall, that is. Adam said on Twitter that they went before the girls, but sketchy editing showed otherwise.) and the pilot was able to make adjustments after.
I've watched all the seasons but certainly don't remember all the challenges like some others in this forum do. Is this the first instance where some competitors were at a disadvantage based on something they had absolutely no control over? As far as I remember, all the challenges are usually fair and not subject to the whimsy of an outsider (like, say, a random pilot...).
[QUOTE=jace89;269537]No, wes convinced evan to go into the elimination. It was all wes's idea to begin with.
Kenny has said nothing this entire challenge and even johnny admitted wes was running his team.. Wes even used kenny's friend to help him make it far.
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You're basing all of your information on what is said in the episode alone. If you listen to podcasts or interviews with the cast you'd hear differently. Kenny said that Evan wanted CT the second it became clear that one of them would have to go in against him, and a number of the cast have speculated that it was because Evan WANTED to be sent home. Kenny, Evan and Johnny have been doing this just as long as Wes and they know Wes well...I highly doubt he's capable of pulling the wool over any of their eyes. Wes did not have to make any political moves this game because he had something that he never has had: a partner who people actually liked and wanted around and voted with. Wes had opinions because JEK ALLOWED him to have an opinion; at the end of the day they would've done what they wanted regardless of what Wes said because the people voting with JEK were loyal to them and not to Wes aside from Nehemiah.
Lets put it this way: Had Wes and Adam switched places the Wes/CT pair would've had just as little political leverage as CT/Adam do and Wes couldn't have changed that because each pair voting with him now is doing it out of loyalty to Kenny, not to Wes.
People like Paula are so insecure with themselves that given any opportunity to gang up on somebody and exploit them to divert any negative attention away from themselves, they hop right on it. On her own, she isn't a bully/instigator but when she is in a group and feels like she has support from the group, she becomes one. But, as you can clearly see, the minute they get singled out and get it thrown back directly at them, they can't handle it.
And I know why Adam feels the need to seek acceptance from the Kenny & Johnny crowd on these challenges. I know Adam was kind of a dork/outcast or whatever you want to call it growing up as a kid and and those guys are definitely the "in crowd" on these shows, so he'll do whatever he can to please them and feel accepted by them.
The thing that sucks for Adam is that people like Johnny and Kenny are very narcissistic and don't really look at good qualities in people when they chose who they surround themselves with. They want people around them who think they're the **** and who will make them feel good about themselves and pump their egos up for them.
Even though Wes suggested it, Johnny & Kenny are total dirtbags for doing what they did to Adam if they really consider him a real friend and not just some guy they let hang around with them because they feel sorry for him. CT is the kind of person that I guarantee would've stuck up for Adam like he did in that club last night regardless if it was in a challenge environment or their real life environment.
Those guys bust CT's balls for going after little guys but he's doing that all on his own. These guys continue to use the gang mentality to encircle and prey upon vulnerable people on these shows season after season and break them down...I think that's what CT was eluding to when he said all they do is gang up on little guys.
I also think it's funny that people like Kenny & Johnny thought CT was such a worthless ******* for dumping a few drops of beer on Adam's head on Gauntlet 3, but think it's absolutely hilarious when Wes dumps an ENTIRE bottle of Cola over a woman's head...a woman who was wearing a white shirt nonetheless.
[QUOTE=JL81790;269540]You're basing all of your information on what is said in the episode alone. If you listen to podcasts or interviews with the cast you'd hear differently. Kenny said that Evan wanted CT the second it became clear that one of them would have to go in against him, and a number of the cast have speculated that it was because Evan WANTED to be sent home. Kenny, Evan and Johnny have been doing this just as long as Wes and they know Wes well...I highly doubt he's capable of pulling the wool over any of their eyes. Wes did not have to make any political moves this game because he had something that he never has had: a partner who people actually liked and wanted around and voted with. Wes had opinions because JEK ALLOWED him to have an opinion; at the end of the day they would've done what they wanted regardless of what Wes said because the people voting with JEK were loyal to them and not to Wes aside from Nehemiah.
Lets put it this way: Had Wes and Adam switched places the Wes/CT pair would've had just as little political leverage as CT/Adam do and Wes couldn't have changed that because each pair voting with him now is doing it out of loyalty to Kenny, not to Wes.[/QUOTE]
LOL, watch the Duel 1 and see how Wes defeated KEJ. If he was paired with CT, all they would have to do is get all the outsiders on his side and take them out 1 by 1 like on the Duel 1. It's strange you can't see how much Wes ran this game.
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I also think it's funny that people like Kenny & Johnny thought CT was such a worthless ******* for dumping a few drops of beer on Adam's head on Gauntlet 3, but think it's absolutely hilarious when Wes dumps an ENTIRE bottle of Cola over a woman's head...a woman who was wearing a white shirt nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
Not the same thing bro. CT disrespected Adam's manhood by pouring a beer on his head. CT punked him on national tv because he knew Adam wouldn't do anything back.
I bet Adam's friends got on him for that.
[QUOTE=jace89;269546]LOL, watch the Duel 1 and see how Wes defeated KEJ. If he was paired with CT, all they would have to do is get all the outsiders on his side and take them out 1 by 1 like on the Duel 1. It's strange you can't see how much Wes ran this game.[/QUOTE]
Wes is running this game because of who his partner is. If he didn't have Kenny as a partner, Evan, Johnny, Tyler, Paula, Laurel, Cara Maria, Jenn, Sarah all would not have voted his way. He might have been able to make a counter alliance but we've seen how that's worked out for him (FM2). Either way though, Wes has taken the reigns for his current alliance but really hasn't impressed. It would have been more impressive if his team hadn't dq'd so many times. I am also mad at how unfair this challenge was for CT and Adam.
[QUOTE=jace89;269546]LOL, watch the Duel 1 and see how Wes defeated KEJ. If he was paired with CT, all they would have to do is get all the outsiders on his side and take them out 1 by 1 like on the Duel 1. It's strange you can't see how much Wes ran this game.[/QUOTE]
The only intelligent political move that Wes has EVER made was the Evan thing on the Duel 1. Kenny and Johnny were nonfactors on that challenge and Wes had no hand in their eliminations. Regardless, that's irrelevant.
On this challenge, if we switch it to Kenny/Adam and Wes/Ct the mob still has majority. The only teams that they would have on their side at BEST are Davis/Tyrie, Robin/Aneesa, Jasmine/Jonna, Mike/Leroy, and Brandon/Ty which, if we look at how the show has gone, represent the weakest teams in each gender (aside form Mike/Leroy), so, just like on FM2, WES'S people would be picked off one by one.
It's strange how you don't see that the only reason that Wes has some semblance of control is because of his partner. If he didn't have Kenny (and Kenny's friends by entailment) backing him up, he would be in the same position he was in on the Ruins.
[QUOTE=jace89;269391]And you fail to understand the fact that not everything was shown.
THERE WAS NO BREAKING POINT HERE!!!!! All wes basically did was pull one her hair and said no one likes you. That shouldn't be make her cry to that degree.
What ct did was worse since he attacked her personally[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between Wes's actions and everyone else's. If you're alone with Wes and he goes up to you and says "Hey no one likes you" and the situation ends there, it just ends with Wes being a ****. If you're in a house with 13 other people and Wes goes up to you and says "Hey, no one likes you" and only one of those 13 people say "Hey, I do like you," how would you expect to feel? It's not the words, it's the fact that people were actually defending his unprovoked actions.
[QUOTE=faceless;269549]Wes is running this game because of who his partner is. If he didn't have Kenny as a partner, Evan, Johnny, Tyler, Paula, Laurel, Cara Maria, Jenn, Sarah all would not have voted his way. He might have been able to make a counter alliance but we've seen how that's worked out for him (FM2). Either way though, Wes has taken the reigns for his current alliance but really hasn't impressed. It would have been more impressive if his team hadn't dq'd so many times. I am also mad at how unfair this challenge was for CT and Adam.[/QUOTE]
Wes made one bad move on FM2 by making that deal with Landon too soon. Oh that's right, didn't Darrell say he formed a alliance with Wes and Kenny going into FM2? So by that fact you can't say "what if" on this one.
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