[QUOTE=lalalamilf;269350]Just a few of my thoughts...When I saw Wes and Paula start to go after Cara Maria[B], it reminded me of The Island, watching Evelyn being treated so bad. [/B]That is when I stopped liking Paula, so I did not have too much sympathy to Paula(however evil that may make me seem), and I don't care for Laurel much either. But- Hey, wasn't it Cara Maria that made those cutter insults to Aiiiya? Yea, so when I am watching this and feeling sorry for her atm, can't help but feel guilty for that knowing what kind of things she is capable of too. Funny how the story telling in an episode can make your opinions on a cast member change so drastically depending on the season. Sometimes I agree with these people, somtimes I root for them, sometimes I love the drama they bring, and other times I have to ask myself WTF am I doing watching this ****. Well, Go Rookies?!?! <3 Leroy[/QUOTE]
I think the island stuff way way worse, Johnny called her derogatory names every day for a month, this was just drunk and stupid, CM needs to toughen up a little.
Oh yeah I forgot about that bridge thing from Duel 1, but that scuba thing he got DQ'ed on was because he didn't follow directions. Diem was supposed to get the combinations for the locks off the anchor and CT was supposed to swim down and unlock the chest. You could only do one thing & after Diem swam up and said she couldn't find the combinations on the anchor, CT swam down to get them and they got DQ'ed.
[QUOTE=townie;269361]Oh yeah I forgot about that bridge thing from Duel 1, but that scuba thing he got DQ'ed on was because he didn't follow directions. Diem was supposed to get the combinations for the locks off the anchor and CT was supposed to swim down and unlock the chest. You could only do one thing & after Diem swam up and said she couldn't find the combinations on the anchor, CT swam down to get them and they got DQ'ed.[/QUOTE]
No he grabbed the anchor thing after they said that wasnt allowed, he has a problem following directions, anyways this wasnt in the episode.
Gosh, I get why Laurel won't apologize to Paula on the Aftershow, but be the adult and say you are sorry for taking things way too far (I'm glad she stuck up for CM but she was out of line), if you are really sorry say it and how Paula reacts and responds to the apology is on her.
I was really impressed by Leroy’s win this episode. On his ustream upload, he said all the guys started *****ing about the fact that his rope didn’t swing around though that’s only because he finished the challenge so quickly.
I don’t know why but I feel no sympathy for Paula nor enmity towards Laurel’s actions and her not wanting to apologize. I feel more disgust that adults can act so horribly towards each other, especially Wes and Johnny during this episode. I have zero respect for people who refer to themselves as men but try to upset women- Wes antagonizing Cara Maria and Johnny throwing that water bottle at Laurel.
[QUOTE=DomDom7;269363]Gosh, I get why Laurel won't apologize to Paula on the Aftershow, but be the adult and say you are sorry for taking things way too far (I'm glad she stuck up for CM but she was out of line), if you are really sorry say it and how Paula reacts and responds to the apology is on her.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, they should have had Jenn on the after show for last week that was a bigger fight than this one. Wes and Paula apologized to Cara so what else is there to say? Wtf were Paula/Laurel even arguing about, Paula apologized to CM so Laurel should apologize to Paula if she is sorry. And by the way CM talks about Wes I was expecting more, they barely even argued, Jenn on there would have been better she doesnt seem to regret her fight with CM at all.
So I'm watching this again and I forgot to ask, what the hell happened when TJ was saying that they had to vote right away? You know: "You now have to vote who is going into the elimin*BEEP*"
[QUOTE=GoodBurger;269366]I was really impressed by Leroy’s win this episode. On his ustream upload, he said all the guys started *****ing about the fact that his rope didn’t swing around though that’s only because he finished the challenge so quickly.
I don’t know why but I feel no sympathy for Paula nor enmity towards Laurel’s actions and her not wanting to apologize. I feel more disgust that adults can act so horribly towards each other, especially Wes and Johnny during this episode. I have zero respect for people who refer to themselves as men but try to upset women- Wes antagonizing Cara Maria and Johnny throwing that water bottle at Laurel.[/QUOTE]
Leroy came out of nowhere! He hasn't impressed me until this episode but wow. I did notice the fact that everyone else's helicopter ride seemed a little more bumpy. And I did watch it back and it was just laying straight down. I guess it's just one of those factors that you can't control.
I don't feel bad for Paula, she did have it coming. Was the anorexic thing too far? Probably. But people shouldn't tell Cara Maria to toughen up and then not say the same thing for Paula. I give Laurel points just because Cara Maria obviously did not deserve that kind of treatment.
Throwing the water bottle at Laurel was immature, but it wasn't that big of a deal. At least he wasn't fighting like everyone else, it was just something to just kind of tease her. I've liked Johnny this season: He's played a fair game, he didn't try and get people to vote for Kenny&Wes like Wes did, and he was nice to Cara Maria at the club. I give him some points for not beating up on Cara Maria like the rest of the mob, and for leaving Ev alone. It seems like he's really cleaned up his act, just like CT. Plus, he and Kenny make me laugh, and the show needs some humor.
Wes is a piece of s#!t honestly. His actions were immature and I could forgive him for them, but it's just the fact that he's so condescending that bugs me. He calls other people "horrible people", and what are you Wes?
[QUOTE=Blue123;269367]Agreed, they should have had Jenn on the after show for last week that was a bigger fight than this one. Wes and Paula apologized to Cara so what else is there to say? Wtf were Paula/Laurel even arguing about, Paula apologized to CM so Laurel should apologize to Paula if she is sorry. And by the way [B]CM talks about Wes I was expecting more[/B], they barely even argued, Jenn on there would have been better she doesnt seem to regret her fight with CM at all.[/QUOTE]
Jenn+Cara Maria on an Aftershow would have been intense! And with CM, I haven't seen a fake side like Wes said, she really does seem like the nicest of everyone on the challenge. And she also seems forgiving once someone apologizes (like Sarah on Cutthroat and now Wes&Paula on Rivals).
Loved Laurel this episode! Standing up for her friend. Talking **** to Paula and she has nothing! I love it!!! And then Paula pulling the victim card, it gets old. Love Cara Maria!!
Wes being afraid of Laurel was awesome.
Don't care if she pulled out all of Paula's insecurities, deserved it. You want to be the bully? Then accept it when you're the only being bullied!
[QUOTE=DomDom7;269370]Jenn+Cara Maria on an Aftershow would have been intense! And with CM, I haven't seen a fake side like Wes said, she really does seem like the nicest of everyone on the challenge. And she also seems forgiving once someone apologizes (like Sarah on Cutthroat and now Wes&Paula on Rivals).[/QUOTE]
yeah but she still talks as if she still hates him on her formspring/ustreams/whatever, I dont wana get into the whole say it to his face stuff like with Derrick/Wes but it would definitely been more entertaining, it's become a pattern with Wes every argument he has he just apologizes right after on the reunion/after show/whatever. Other cast members do that too, I think they know what will make air and what makes good tv so they just do **** to cause drama, Leroy was saying that.
The white-knighting for Paula in this thread is ridiculous. She thinks its OK to bully the heck out of Cara Maria and defend Wes, who was ridiculously out of line, yet she starts whimpering like a baby when Laurel comes back defending her teammate? I have absolutely no sympathy for hypocrites and Paula is a hypocrite. It sucks that Paula has skeletons in her closet, but maybe she should think about that before bullying others. Karma sucks, don't it Paula? Next time shut your mouth and act like a decent human being.
Why some of you are defending Paula, or saying that Laurel was completely out of line, is vexing to me. Did Laurel take some cheap shots? Sure, but if Paula is going to put herself in the line of fire, she's got to man up and deal with that. I don't even like Laurel (thought her attack of Eric was terrible because it came from nowhere), but Paula was an instigator and got put down. Maybe she'll learn a lesson and keep her mouth shut and not bully others.
[QUOTE=RMD1;269119]Come on people!!! There is a way to fight and insult people without being that low. Are people really not seeing this??[/QUOTE]
Nope. Paula wasn't being courteous to Cara Maria, why does she deserve courtesy. She deserved every bit of that. You act like a *****, you get treated like a *****.
Anyone who doesn't think these challenges are fixed/manipulated to a degree is naive. PProduction are even trying to hide the fact and merely want the best outcome.
Its funny how production put wes on this challenge just to redeem and clear Ct rep on the show.
Nothing CT can do will clear His bill buckner moment in the duel 1 in which he choked against brad.
What a crazy episode!! So much went down!! Jeez.
First off, I am so happy that Mike and Leroy made the finals. Along CT and Adam, Ive been pulling for them the entire season and I was so happy when Lerloy flew up that rope. Good for them. I hope they win some money in the end.
Wes just proved what I thought about him, hes an *******. Just plain and simple. He talks about other people being immature and annoying. He is the main one. He pours an entire thing of coke on CM because she is annoying him?? GTFO dude. How any chick finds this loser attractive is beyond me. And stupid Paula. Im sorry but if you butt into a conversation or argument that has not a damn thing to do with you, you deserve anything that comes at you. Paula did not know a damn thing but was 'sticking up for her Friend'. Didnt she say something about loyalty in there too? Ok Paula. Anyways,
I cant believe Im saying this but I think Im starting to like Laurel. Cant belive I just said that. I loved how Laurel not only took on Paula but then got in Wes face. That girl is not scared of anything. She took Wes on full on just for her partner, and she earned some respect from me. And as far as her attacking Paula, it is what it is. Did she probably go too far with the anorexic. Probably. But Paula should not have stuck her nose where it didn't belong. One thing that Laurel did say about Paula that I agreed on was that she always plays the victim and that she can dish it but cant take it. Thats Paula in a nutshell.
I laughed so hard when Tyler lost his **** and when around the house blaming people. He was really tripping HARD that he was going into a jungle. Jeez. I think what Leroy said was right. Tyler was scared and thinks CT can beat him. Plain and simple. (I so hope they lose this jungle) Ct and Adam must return.
The jungle looks INTENSE!! Cant wait
[QUOTE=Gdsimmons;269381]What a crazy episode!! So much went down!! Jeez.
First off, I am so happy that Mike and Leroy made the finals. Along CT and Adam, Ive been pulling for them the entire season and I was so happy when Lerloy flew up that rope. Good for them. I hope they win some money in the end.
Wes just proved what I thought about him, hes an *******. Just plain and simple. He talks about other people being immature and annoying. He is the main one. He pours an entire thing of coke on CM because she is annoying him?? GTFO dude. How any chick finds this loser attractive is beyond me. And stupid Paula. Im sorry but if you butt into a conversation or argument that has not a damn thing to do with you, you deserve anything that comes at you. Paula did not know a damn thing but was 'sticking up for her Friend'. Didnt she say something about loyalty in there too? Ok Paula. Anyways,
I cant believe Im saying this but I think Im starting to like Laurel. Cant belive I just said that. I loved how Laurel not only took on Paula but then got in Wes face. That girl is not scared of anything. She took Wes on full on just for her partner, and she earned some respect from me. And as far as her attacking Paula, it is what it is. Did she probably go too far with the anorexic. Probably. But Paula should not have stuck her nose where it didn't belong. One thing that Laurel did say about Paula that I agreed on was that she always plays the victim and that she can dish it but cant take it. Thats Paula in a nutshell.
I laughed so hard when Tyler lost his **** and when around the house blaming people. He was really tripping HARD that he was going into a jungle. Jeez. I think what Leroy said was right. Tyler was scared and thinks CT can beat him. Plain and simple. (I so hope they lose this jungle) Ct and Adam must return.
The jungle looks INTENSE!! Cant wait[/QUOTE]
WHY IS EVERYONE MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT WES POURING SODA ON HER?
On a real world/challenge scale of "bullying" this would be a 2.
If you guys want to see what real bullying looks on this show, watch the real key west season and see how tyler treated svetlana.
[QUOTE=jace89;269382]WHY IS EVERYONE MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT WES POURING SODA ON HER?
On a real world/challenge scale of "bullying" this would be a 2.
If you guys want to see what real bullying looks on this show, watch the real key west season and see how tyler treated svetlana.[/QUOTE]
I doubt it was just that specific act that had Cara Maria crying. That was the culmination of a lot of stuff and just served as the breaking point.
[QUOTE=berklonius;269385]I doubt it was just that specific act that had Cara Maria crying. That was the culmination of a lot of stuff and just served as the breaking point.[/QUOTE]
Oh come on lol
You can't really say that since how it started was never shown. There's a big difference between teasing and verbal abuse. Wes playfully only teased CM while laurel verbal abused paula.
[QUOTE=jace89;269386]Oh come on lol
You can't really say that since how it started was never shown.[/QUOTE]
It's obvious that you haven't watched any of this season. The ganging up on Cara Maria storyline was hardly a new wrinkle introduced in this episode.
[QUOTE=berklonius;269387]It's obvious that you haven't watched any of this season. The ganging up on Cara Maria storyline was hardly a new wrinkle introduced in this episode.[/QUOTE]
Read my previous post.
There was no real ganging up on cara. All they did was tease and try to get underneath her skin..
Man, if cara was on any of the 2000s challenges she would not have been able to make it a day.
[QUOTE=jace89;269388]Read my previous post.
There was no real ganging up on cara. All they did was tease and try to get underneath her skin..
Man, if cara was on any of the 2000s challenges she would not have been able to make it a day.[/QUOTE]
And you have no real comprehension toward what I'm saying. You are acting like this episode is just a bubble. I would guarantee that a lot of Cara Maria's breakdown was the cumulative result of six weeks (or however many at that point) of dealing with those people and that teasing. That, plus alcohol, causes reactions like that. See Mike and the cookies.
I do think it was funny that you tried to brush off my comment on how it could have been the breaking point by saying that I didn't know enough to say that then try to pull a similar trick in your post. And the comparison to 2000 challenges is a complete non-sequitur. Who cares how she'd react on those challenges - she wasn't on those challenges and never will be. Completely and utterly irrelevant point.
[QUOTE=berklonius;269389]And you have no real comprehension toward what I'm saying. You are acting like this episode is just a bubble. I would guarantee that a lot of Cara Maria's breakdown was the cumulative result of six weeks (or however many at that point) of dealing with those people and that teasing. That, plus alcohol, causes reactions like that. See Mike and the cookies.
I do think it was funny that you tried to brush off my comment on how it could have been the breaking point by saying that I didn't know enough to say that then try to pull a similar trick in your post. And the comparison to 2000 challenges is a complete non-sequitur. Who cares how she'd react on those challenges - she wasn't on those challenges and never will be. Completely and utterly irrelevant point.[/QUOTE]
And you fail to understand the fact that not everything was shown.
THERE WAS NO BREAKING POINT HERE!!!!! All wes basically did was pull one her hair and said no one likes you. That shouldn't be make her cry to that degree.
What ct did was worse since he attacked her personally
for the cookie thing that Mike blow up about. That wasn't that bad, I say this because from interviews I've watched he seems cool with everyone involved now so it just seems like playful bullying
[QUOTE=mph922;269235]I'm not condoning Laurel's actions or saying that it's right to say what she said, but **** it, Paula absolutely deserved everything she got. She sat there bawling as if only she had been hurt that night. I cannot believe how happy I was to see somebody cry. It sounds like a terrible thing to enjoy, but Paula is such a little trainwreck. Ugh.
I went from actually rooting for Paula[B]/Evelyn to completely wanting them to fail[/B]. Go Laurel and Cara Maria. What is happening?!?!?!!?!?!?!
Leroy FTW!!! Tyler and Wes also suck.[/QUOTE]
Good luck with that...
[QUOTE=Bacchus;269255]Me either, but I feel sorry for both.
In this case, it was clear that Laurel was just being Laurel. She didn't need to be pushed to act out in the way she did. Rather, it is just part of her DNA.
I'm not a fan of Paula. I never have been and I probably never will be...
However, this had less to do with Paula and more to do with the cycle of hatred that we have seen from Laurel. She gets "pushed" just a bit and then she brings forth the most horrifying flame from her mouth, it literally damages everyone around her.
Let's just say that she is not a person anyone would ever willingly be around (if they could grasp her forthcoming explosions.) If they make that choice, it is on them - but they are clearly next.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Insider;269256]Laurel acts like an abusive husband. Paula did something wrong. Let's black her eye. The whole "if you're mean to me you deserve complete and utter destruction" is nothing more than insecurity. Apparently Laurel is over compensating for a lot. Anyone who could speak to another person in that manner obviously dislikes herself. It's not just disrespect to Paula, but it shows no respect for Laurel's self. I have one message for her. Have some class.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Insider;269265]So if a cancer patient says, "I don't like you".. You're ok with saying, "Nice wig... Chemo boy"? I dont understand how some of you are not seeing the inequity here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Insider;269274]Clearly my comparison was that of two diseases. One may be psychological... but it's still a disease. Obviously most diseases are extremely different from each other. I wasn't implying that the diseases carry the same symptoms or affect on the person. I was purely pointing out that both are savage, life threatening diseases. Neither is a good choice for ammunition in an argument... unless of course you are cold and without class.[/QUOTE]
I've read through the entire thread to this point this morning and have copied those comments I believe reflect the most wisdom and maturity here. From my perspective, there appear to be two different points of view. One view says "it's all fair. You attack me, I destroy you. If you can't take it, don't start it."
The other viewpoint is represented well in the quotes above.
The former view is largely immature. Many of you are young in both age and life experience. Bacchus and Insider are both experienced, wise and worldly. Some of you could do well to pay a little more attention to them.
At the time of the great backlash to Laurel for her blowup toward Eric, I had the opportunity to discuss the subject with her. There was clearly quite a bit of instigation which BMP didn't show in the episode. The fan reaction to what was shown hurt Laurel because, as many believe in your comments her, she was simply using the tools available to her to "win" in response. She came to feel that people didn't understand her -- and her need to "win" when attacked. It was clear to me, this is a deep-seeded psychological need, and a pathology deeply attracting to the story editors at BMP. If you don't understand the importance of this point, then you need to carefully read the RW contract printed recently in The Village Voice. If you are capable of having your eyes opened, reading the contract should do that for you without additional guidance.
As most people mature, we come to recognize that "winning" an argument, especially when one or more parties to it are intoxicated, is simply unwise and counterproductive. The more adult/mature response is to find an appropriate response. Reaching immediately for the disabling neutron warhead is nearly always the wrong answer.
Any psychologist will tell you that walking away from the drunk should always be option #1. Production will tell you that walking away doesn't make for good TV. Proportional responses to the provocation are the next best alternative. Escalation simply invites retaliation or, as seen in this case, going beyond game to personal issues which really have no place here, no matter how much some of you apparently live to see such things on TV.
LOL I guess I’m the only one who thinks Laurel’s hair and makeup look good. It’s a nice color on her.
[QUOTE=Insider;269299][B]Funny.. this show is called Rivals. Remember when Laurel was picking on Cara Maria? Hmm... [/B][/QUOTE]
I think this is beside the point. No one said Laurel was right for picking on Cara Maria...
[QUOTE=jem3772;269303]Not only does it stick with you forever kids commit suicide over it all the time.
Its ridiculous to insinuate that Paula was hurting more than Cara
I don't understand why would Paula put herself in this situation. I think she regretted picking on CM JUST BECAUSE Laurel stepped in. Why would she wanna "defend" Wes??? Since when them two are buddy? They've never been friends !!! Wes was one of the reason she got sent home in FM2. Didn't she forget that? I just can get over the fact that out of everybody else she could have defend, she defended Wes. It's a dump move.
[QUOTE=Hamahami;269409]I don't understand why would Paula put herself in this situation. I think she regretted picking on CM JUST BECAUSE Laurel stepped in. Why would she wanna "defend" Wes??? Since when them two are buddy? They've never been friends !!! Wes was one of the reason she got sent home in FM2. Didn't she forget that? I just can get over the fact that out of everybody else she could have defend, she defended Wes. It's a dump move.[/QUOTE]
Paula is known for teaming up with the wrong people..
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