I feel like Im skip bayless talking about Lebron when I talk about CT. I see that he is a great athlete, but he is absolutely horrible at the game. Alright you get in two fights, well fighting is the exact same as losing an elimination round so in my opinion there is literally no end result difference, just a difference in how people who are fans of CT rationalize the defeat. Ok so you cannot win alone, outside of Gauntlet 3 where has he shown that he can form an alliance, its like he has no social skills to get anyone to vote his way, and when he did have some control in G3 he was the main rallying cry to keep Eric, which was not only a horrible mistake, but a losing mistake. Finally, I can see rationalizing a few losses, but when you loose all seven times, all your left with is excuses that have no credibility, they just do and that is all you get with CT excuses and rationalizations on why he has not won. At least if you have someone like Davis or Tyrie as your partner you can go back to your real life sooner instead of sticking around and losing, which is what the end result with CT is....losing.
As far as Inferno and Inferno 2, Im almost positive the losing team didn't get finish line prize money. I dont think 2nd place started to get paid until FM 1 when there was more than two teams in the finals.
You're wrong...on Inferno 1 and 2, the losing team still got money that was banked in their team bank account....they just didnt get the 150,000 extra for winning the final challenge....so CT still got money in inferno 1 and 2
[QUOTE=foofighter7;257010]You're wrong...on Inferno 1 and 2, the losing team still got money that was banked in their team bank account....they just didnt get the 150,000 extra for winning the final challenge....so CT still got money in inferno 1 and 2[/QUOTE]
I know, thats why I said finish line prize money
[QUOTE=Mondo;257009]I feel like Im skip bayless talking about Lebron when I talk about CT. I see that he is a great athlete, but he is absolutely horrible at the game. Alright you get in two fights, well fighting is the exact same as losing an elimination round so in my opinion there is literally no end result difference, just a difference in how people who are fans of CT rationalize the defeat. Ok so you cannot win alone, outside of Gauntlet 3 where has he shown that he can form an alliance, its like he has no social skills to get anyone to vote his way, and when he did have some control in G3 he was the main rallying cry to keep Eric, which was not only a horrible mistake, but a losing mistake. Finally, I can see rationalizing a few losses, but when you loose all seven times, all your left with is excuses that have no credibility, they just do and that is all you get with CT excuses and rationalizations on why he has not won. At least if you have someone like Davis or Tyrie as your partner you can go back to your real life sooner instead of sticking around and losing, which is what the end result with CT is....losing.
[B]As far as Inferno and Inferno 2, Im almost positive the losing team didn't get finish line prize money. I dont think 2nd place started to get paid until FM 1 when there was more than two teams in the finals.[/B][/QUOTE]
...You said two different things in the bold contradicting your first point. First your positive the losing team didn't get finish line prize money. OK that is correct they didn't. Than you said 2nd place didn't get paid until fm1...But in fm1 2nd prize wasn't finish line money either, and in the inferno's CT got money from the team bank account. So he may of not gotten the grand prize, but he was successful in making money...
So you kind of argue your own point, by saying it wasn't finish line money in infernos, but no money was paid until 2nd until fresh meat 1. We just disagree on CT thing, oh well. I think the two finals where people on his team is his only credible excuse, but they are good ones when u are capable but others are not. The duel push me was designed to reward the weaker person, but that's a whole other topic....
I think any more on CT and his lebron likeness or lack there of should be in the general forum. Doesn't really relate to ep 2
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;257005]On the topic of the OTHER two winners...I'm really glad Evelyn and Paula won. I just really hope they keep up this teamwork and it doesn't break down towards the end like it did for both of them on FM II.
I hope next week's elimination was like this week's--something physical and rough, none of this hand-holding ****. I'm not saying last week's wasn't hard, but I just think watching physical eliminations is a lot more fun. I would especially love to see J and J go into a physical one and back up all the **** they've been talking...and by that I mean get smashed.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Paula/Ev work really well together, I wonder if Paula is going to go nuts this season but since she has Ev she should stay calm. And yeah I don't know why last week wasn't physical, like come on its Ev and Aneesa they should have had them smash each other!! But it's fine Ev/Paula manage to win even if the challenge isn't physical.
I wouldn't mind Paula/Ev going far. Ev is a great competitor, and Paula keeps talking about how if she ever made a final she would rock the endurance part of it, well let's see if she can back her words from the past seasons of talk. Ev can help her get there too.
[QUOTE=jojorules;257026]I wouldn't mind Paula/Ev going far. Ev is a great competitor, and Paula keeps talking about how if she ever made a final she would rock the endurance part of it, well let's see if she can back her words from the past seasons of talk. Ev can help her get there too.[/QUOTE]
Paula's not the only one who said she would be good in a final--I think Tyler said on CutThroat that she is the one he would want in a final. Also, she did really well in the Exile against Evelyn on FM II, and would have finished even faster if her partner hadn't gotten hurt.
So now we have Mondo here who's going to get on CT's case and discredit him because he's never won. First of all, stop it with the LeBron and Dan Marino nonsense. It's not like CT ever no-showed in a final mission after dominating the season, so those parallels are ridiculous and poorly thought out. The fact that CT has not won a final is a complete aberration. An anomaly, if you will. On the first Inferno, he played a brilliant game. He stepped in for David and sent home a very capable player (Shane), and successfully spearheaded a plan to send the weakest player on his team (Leah) home. Unfortunately, the Road Rules team finished the puzzle before them in the final...you can't pin that on him. On Inferno 2, he dominated and won nearly every lifeshield, only to have his final team sunk by a couple anchors (Tina and Tonya). On the Duel, he was absolutely screwed over, I suggest reading some of townie's old posts explaining the DQ against Brad. So that's a few bad breaks already. Inferno 3 = completely his fault. I'll give you that one. People need to also stop bringing up the Gauntlet 3 ****, because it's been discussed at great length here, and as I've said numerous times before, it was very on early in the game and the Veterans did not want to risk losing Evan, who was their second best player. Duel 2 he gets tossed, although Adam is just as much to blame for that as he is. So where exactly are these lack of social skills of which you speak? He convinced his team to get rid of Leah, In the first Duel, he won safety a couple times, but he was never in danger of being the last one picked. On Gauntlet 3, he basically ran the team and reduced Evan and Kenny to mere yes-men. Robin also mentioned on Derrick's podcast that CT and Brad were the only two people to show any concern for Big Easy's well-being in that final, despite what was shown on TV. It's easy for Moe, Larry, and Curly to spin things this season and say they want CT gone because they don't like him, but the truth is, they want him gone because they know he can beat them.
[QUOTE=jojorules;257019]...You said two different things in the bold contradicting your first point. First your positive the losing team didn't get finish line prize money. OK that is correct they didn't. Than you said 2nd place didn't get paid until fm1...But in fm1 2nd prize wasn't finish line money either, and in the inferno's CT got money from the team bank account. So he may of not gotten the grand prize, but he was successful in making money...
So you kind of argue your own point, by saying it wasn't finish line money in infernos, but no money was paid until 2nd until fresh meat 1. We just disagree on CT thing, oh well. I think the two finals where people on his team is his only credible excuse, but they are good ones when u are capable but others are not. The duel push me was designed to reward the weaker person, but that's a whole other topic....
I think any more on CT and his lebron likeness or lack there of should be in the general forum. Doesn't really relate to ep 2[/QUOTE]
My intent behind finish line prize money was getting paid money for crossing the finish line instead of prizes and money won for day to day missions. Like in FM1 2nd got paid money prize money for crossing the line not for what they did before hand. I think it was alot too like 30k btw two people. But yea a little off topic.
Watching it again, I loooove Jasmine!!
"I don't even want to go in that **** room!!"
The way she pronounced hoars and those little shoes was so adorable!
And Lol at Sarah "I promise you will regret that" (about the mirror).
And then Theresa, so annoying: "I hope Kenny and Wes don't go home." Yeah I bet. -__-
I liked that Davis and Tyrie repped Denver before they went in
[QUOTE=Mondo;257046]My intent behind finish line prize money was getting paid money for crossing the finish line instead of prizes and money won for day to day missions. Like in FM1 2nd got paid money prize money for crossing the line not for what they did before hand. I think it was alot too like 30k btw two people. But yea a little off topic.[/QUOTE]
Yea, hard to explain i hear ya. I had to go back and reread what i wrote to make sure i put it correct. No big deal. I think him not winning to this pt takes a ton of randomness, some bad decisions, and some bad luck all mixed in.
For such a dominant athlete to not win yet where JEK and Wes are basically afraid of him just shows how athletic he must be. IF you go on Leroy's twitter and read his latest podcast/live feed, he basically says they all were scared of him and he doesn't know why they were that scared, and Leroy is only afraid of God or something like that. That just shows they really must show it if Leroy is saying that.
JEK having so many wins with some athleticism, middle of crowd, maybe a little above, is pure social skills. They are good at manipulating and not afraid to stab people in the back to win. I think Kenny thinks all his wins means he is some dominant athlete who can't be stopped, when it is really 95 percent social for him IMO. Besides Evan, they got all their wins on team challenges too, so it isn't like they dominated a field of men individually. Most of their wins were together too, so having a huge alliance always helps. But in the end a check is a check.
Put CT on another gauntlet or inferno with no JEK or even 1-2 of them, and i bet he gets his W with his new non violent attitude(so far). A duel 3 odds are just harder because only one winner. I just want him to get 1. This one isn't over either.
Can people please explain to me why Jonna and Jasmine are getting praised but Camila and Theresa are getting ******* on? Don't use the whole "Well, Camila and Theresa are attention *****s." cause Jonna and Jasmine are just as bad. They are equal in that department. Camila got Jonna and Jasmine's names mixed up. It's an honest mistake that happens all the time. Then Jonna and Jasmine went ape **** and started cussing and screaming over nothing. Camila tried to apologize and Jonna wasn't having. Smirking, full of attitude, and all handsy. Jonna and Jasmine started trash talking before anyone else. Theresa got a little too close to Jasmine and she shouldn't have done that. It did make the situation worse, I agree, but Jasmine is getting praised for standing up for herself and her partner when Theresa was doing the same thing (standing up for her partner) and she is getting flamed like crazy.
Jasmine flips out, and I mean flips out, over anything. Good entertainment for those who like it, but I don't see them lasting far if she can't control it. What happens if they are in a jungle and she loses it? Whatever she said about being from Houston, didn't bring fear in my eyes haha.
I agree the fight was over after a simple I am sorry, than Camilla brought up that she had been talking *** about her, which she had, and [strike]than[/strike] then it blew up. Jasmine jumping in didn't help. All 4 added to it, but Jonna not forgiving her when she pulled her aside, is what made it continue, so Jonna is just as much at fault.
[QUOTE=faceless;257050]Can people please explain to me why Jonna and Jasmine are getting praised but Camila and Theresa are getting ******* on? Don't use the whole "Well, Camila and Theresa are attention *****s." cause Jonna and Jasmine are just as bad. They are equal in that department. Camila got Jonna and Jasmine's names mixed up. It's an honest mistake that happens all the time. Then Jonna and Jasmine went ape **** and started cussing and screaming over nothing. Camila tried to apologize and Jonna wasn't having. Smirking, full of attitude, and all handsy. Jonna and Jasmine started trash talking before anyone else. Theresa got a little too close to Jasmine and she shouldn't have done that. It did make the situation worse, I agree, but Jasmine is getting praised for standing up for herself and her partner when Theresa was doing the same thing (standing up for her partner) and she is getting flamed like crazy.[/QUOTE]
Well I just think that Theresa is annoying and just hangs around the popular crowd to get to the end, when's she's not that good. I didn't like Camila's ego on the last show. Pretty much I just liked seeing them get put in their place, but that's not to say that the other team was right, but of course I'm gonna side with them in this situation.
[QUOTE=challenge;257053]they're all scared of CT period[/QUOTE]
Kenny is the only one who thinks he isn't. Evan basically says as soon as he sees him, we gotta get him out NOW, Johnny well you know that story, and Kenny tries to act like he is just a regular guy. Kenny seeming overly unimpressed by CT seems like he is definitely jealous of him at least. If he jumps 50 ft, Kenny would shrug and be like no big deal, I can jump 55, I just don't want to.
I said in a previous thread I think Kenny has major self esteem issues, and hypes himself up and puts others down to such an extent, that something has to be off with that. Wes hypes himself up to an extreme, but only puts down Kenny. He really only does because Kenny does to him too and he doesn't want to look like he is being punked IMO.
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Also, I think the flaming of Camila/Theresa has to do with the fact that neither of them had a real season whereas Jonna/Jaz did. People also like to root for rookies/underdogs so that might have something to do with it. And Theresa isn't very popular, so there's that.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;257054]Well I just think that Theresa is annoying and just hangs around the popular crowd to get to the end, when's she's not that good. I didn't like Camila's ego on the last show. Pretty much I just liked seeing them get put in their place, but that's not to say that the other team was right, but of course I'm gonna side with them in this situation.[/QUOTE]
Hanging with popular crowd to get to the end, sounds like someone else too,(cough cough Paula)
Theresa gets ragged on a lot for doing very little. Other than hooking up with Wes, and trying to with Kenny I don't see the big deal. She never is on, I don't see how you can hate what you don't see haha. But I don't mean you hate her, but a lot a people do. Lots of people hook up with people, so I don't hold that against her.
I don't hate her, i don't like her, i wish they would show more so i could decide one way or another. To this point, i don't even think of her on the show at all. She randomly appeared for a brief no fight. To me they must not give her much screen time because she isn't a huge drama person, or she is one of those people who leave right away and they don't bother. So i guess this challenge we will see how she does. She lasted long on cutthroat, and had a storyline.
[QUOTE=Mondo;256942]After a little more thought, Adam is completely right, any guy would probably be better than CT. How pathetic of a competitor are you if you are arguably the most athletic guy to ever do these and never walk away with any money, I repeat any money. Factoring all this in, isnt CT the worst male competitor of all time if the object of the game is to win money? If you wanna win day to day challenges or be feared he is your guy no doubt, I will concede that point though[/QUOTE]
This is the fourth challenge CT has done where the top daily challenge competitor is recognized... he has claimed that honor in over half of those challenges. The only person who has anywhere close to that level of individual success is Evan. He's smoked guys who have won challenges and are perceived as top players like Evan, Brad, and Johnny. He can out run, out lift, out jump, and out climb virutally everybody on these challenges in all of those things. Then you have Adam, who's never made it past the 3rd or 4th episode on any challenge he's ever been on except for the one time he was put on a stacked team. Yes, clearly Adam got the shaft with partners in this match-up. If it weren't for CT he wouldn't even be on this show.
As for Inferno 2, CT lost that one because of schitzo Abe's inability to not know how to play the game. CT, Derrick, and Tonya wanted to send Jamie into the Inferno but Tina, Rachel, and Veronica wanted to send in Shavonda because she was a guaranteed win for whichever girl went in. Stupid *** Abe decided to place his swing vote with the girls, Shavonda lost, and we all know what happened from there. There's no way The Good Guys would've won that final with Shavonda, she couldn't even handle running back and forth a few yards on the beach in the one challenge where they had to retrieve crabs... and you think she's gonna be able to handle like a 12K triathlon? Get a clue.
Gauntlet 3, The Rookies were never going to send Eric in and the rest of the guys on CT's team didn't want to put Eric in for fear they'd have to go against him. He was outvoted there.
You can think these other guys like Wes, Kenny, Evan, and Johnny are these world beater great competitors but I've never seen CT shake with fear about the possibility of having to go up against any of them. I've seen plenty of it though coming from those four as it pertains to having to go up against CT. It practically oozed off the screen in last night's episode.
Townie, I like that you supposedly know CT and give us insight about him and his perspective, but you really come off as a fan-boy rather than his friend. I think he is the best player this season but his losses are losses and there is no point to really sit and blame someone else anymore because the person we're talking about, CT, has seemed to have swallowed his losses and gotten over them. Maybe it's our turn.
For me, the best part of the entire episode was Laurel's face when Mike was talking about agriculture. It had me rolling.
I liked how they showed a more fun side of things this episode. It made it seem like the cast was actually enjoying themselves. It really has an effect on the quality of the episodes.
Jonna is one of my favorites, ever, but I do kind of put her at fault for the fight with Camila...Camila tried to apologize, but she just kept it going. But this episode made me absolutely ADORE Jasmine!!
It's so funny (yet kind of sad) how Davis was so subdued...once he found out his partner was Tyrie, you could tell he had no hope at all. LOL. Even Cara Maria commented on how quiet he was. xP
Also, I think the "theme" is really bad...I mean, it doesn't even show the cast members...it looks like a bunch of clips edited fancily with dramatic quotes...more like a commercial or trailer than opening theme.
[QUOTE=faceless;257050]Can people please explain to me why Jonna and Jasmine are getting praised but Camila and Theresa are getting ******* on? Don't use the whole "Well, Camila and Theresa are attention *****s." cause Jonna and Jasmine are just as bad. They are equal in that department. Camila got Jonna and Jasmine's names mixed up. It's an honest mistake that happens all the time. Then Jonna and Jasmine went ape **** and started cussing and screaming over nothing. Camila tried to apologize and Jonna wasn't having. Smirking, full of attitude, and all handsy. Jonna and Jasmine started trash talking before anyone else. Theresa got a little too close to Jasmine and she shouldn't have done that. It did make the situation worse, I agree, but Jasmine is getting praised for standing up for herself and her partner when Theresa was doing the same thing (standing up for her partner) and she is getting flamed like crazy.[/QUOTE]
I honestly think that they think the challenge is the real world, on RW its cool to fight about nothing but on the challenges most fights are about the game or being screwed over. And I think Theresa is an idiot and she made it go nuts by screaming and some how a name mix up turned to punching mirrors. They're all rookie idiots you would never see Wes, Kenny, Evan, Tyler or Ev fight about dumb ****. I think they're all stupid but Theresa shouldn't have gotten in her face so much she made it worse. I don't think Camilla was wrong here though.
[QUOTE=Blue123;257079]I honestly think that they think the challenge is the real world, on RW its cool to fight about nothing but on the challenges most fights are about the game or being screwed over. And I think Theresa is an idiot and she made it go nuts by screaming and some how a name mix up turned to punching mirrors. They're all rookie idiots you would never see Wes, Kenny, Evan, Tyler or Ev fight about dumb ****. I think they're all stupid but Theresa shouldn't have gotten in her face so much she made it worse. I don't think Camilla was wrong here though.[/QUOTE]
True, Theresa should not have gotten in Jasmine's face but everyone is saying how Theresa and Camila got put in their place and stuff. They didn't do any boasting or showboating as far as I saw. Camila said "We're rich" to Theresa (her partner) and they laughed and talked amongst themselves. They didn't make anyone else turn around and engage in their conversation. I honestly believe that the whole thing was more of Jasmine and Jonna's faults than Theresa's.
[QUOTE=jojorules;257049]Yea, hard to explain i hear ya. I had to go back and reread what i wrote to make sure i put it correct. No big deal. I think him not winning to this pt takes a ton of randomness, some bad decisions, and some bad luck all mixed in.
For such a dominant athlete to not win yet where JEK and Wes are basically afraid of him just shows how athletic he must be. IF you go on Leroy's twitter and read his latest podcast/live feed, he basically says they all were scared of him and he doesn't know why they were that scared, and Leroy is only afraid of God or something like that. That just shows they really must show it if Leroy is saying that.
JEK having so many wins with some athleticism, middle of crowd, maybe a little above, is pure social skills. They are good at manipulating and not afraid to stab people in the back to win. I think Kenny thinks all his wins means he is some dominant athlete who can't be stopped, when it is really 95 percent social for him IMO. Besides Evan, they got all their wins on team challenges too, so it isn't like they dominated a field of men individually. Most of their wins were together too, so having a huge alliance always helps. But in the end a check is a check.
Put CT on another gauntlet or inferno with no JEK or even 1-2 of them, and i bet he gets his W with his new non violent attitude(so far). A duel 3 odds are just harder because only one winner. I just want him to get 1. This one isn't over either.[/QUOTE]
As far as i know Evan won 5 missions in Fresh meat 1, he won 5 missions in the duel 1 and won the duel 2 what else do you want
[QUOTE=alucard666;257091]As far as i know Evan won 5 missions in Fresh meat 1, he won 5 missions in the duel 1 and won the duel 2 what else do you want[/QUOTE]
Jojorules was talking about JEK as a group, not just Evan.
um i really don't like the opening sequence at all this season (unlike most ppl I guess from what I can see in the posts in this thread). i just don't like the fact that the castmembers aren't individually acknowledged/named in it. in fact, i can't remember a single major challenge ever before that didn't have the castmember's names in the opening credits (possibly the first 3 non-vote off challenges, but i honestly can't remember the credits on those at all).
[QUOTE=jr588;257094]um i really don't like the opening sequence at all this season (unlike most ppl I guess from what I can see in the posts in this thread). i just don't like the fact that the castmembers aren't individually acknowledged/named in it. in fact, i can't remember a single major challenge ever before that didn't have the castmember's names in the opening credits (possibly the first 3 non-vote off challenges, but i honestly can't remember the credits on those at all).[/QUOTE]
I'm not a fan of it either...at least show us the names of who's there. Show them hanging out, dancing on a beach, running like gazelles, coming out of the sand, chanting like morons, getting off planes, anything. I feel like they really dropped the ball here. Simmons and Jacoby are going to rip apart the opening sequence.
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