The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

I thought the same thing about the life shields at first, but a lot (as in most) of the life shield missions were partnered based. And when you pair Alton with Colie, a tired Paula (dog sled mission), and make him reel in Evelyn, he may almost never win a life shield, which is what happened. I would've preferred if the life shields were distributed out the way they were in the first two infernos, i.e best time regardless of gender, and not pair based missions OMG,,It was Altons fault!!!

[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;249264] Strongest: Ev Kendal Rachel (RR) Holly Jodi Honorable Mentions: Coral (Best RW Female) Beth Britanni Laurel Chanda (I want to see her in an elimination round) Sarah (Gauntlet Queen)[/QUOTE] Why does everyone forget ruthie, she was a strong girl. Atleast give her a honorable mention then :p

[QUOTE=Skeet;249283]Why does everyone forget ruthie, she was a strong girl. Atleast give her a honorable mention then :p[/QUOTE] She was phenomenal on Battle of the Sexes 1, but disappointing on her other challenges. Her lost to Kimberly on the Duel 2 for example. Her weaknesses were exposed; she's not very physically strong, or smart(Kimberly out smarted her), and her small size is a liability since the challenges became more physical, unlike at the time of Battle of the Sexes where a lot of the missions tested your skills, endurance, and athleticism.

[QUOTE=Superboy;249286]She was phenomenal on Battle of the Sexes 1, but disappointing on her other challenges. [B]Her lost to Kimberly on the Duel 2 for example. Her weaknesses were exposed; she's not very physically strong, or smart(Kimberly out smarted her), [/B]and her small size is a liability since the challenges became more physical, unlike at the time of Battle of the Sexes where a lot of the missions tested your skills, endurance, and athleticism.[/QUOTE] I, personally, never use the Back Off Duel as a good determinant of a person's abilites because I feel like the Duel was flawed. Obviously you can do a good job winning (like every winner of the Duel did, don't get me wrong) but things could've been alot different if the participants had been able to be physical and stop getting told to "go for the hook!". I thought that was stupid because one person is gonna be screwed because they're gonna fight closer to one of the rings than the other person's and because they couldn't be physical with each other, that one person who's ring is all the way on the other side is completely ****ed, unless they pull something like Brad did, and even then it's not gonna work every time.

What I'd love to see is a men vs women format again now that the women have a deeper pool of strong athletes and skilled politicians. Laurel bugs and lacks social skills from what I can gather in these games, but I think she and Evelyn could physically dominate any of these men depending on the activity. When Evelyn keeps her emotions in check and out of her gameplay, she's also one of the more astute and intelligent players aside from being the most physically dominant woman in the game. (I think her downfall in FM2 was Wes, it seemed almost like she clearly recognized the strategic and social moves Wes made were awful and dumb but for whatever reason remained loyal to him.) Jodi is a fantastic athlete and strong player when she's not stuck in her head, and she plays a smart and low-key social game. Tori is a new mom, but I'd love to see her back. I admire how calculating and focused she was in Cutthroat; her goal was to get Brad to the end and **** if she didn't make all the right strategic moves to ensure both their victories. I think Sarah could outswim just about anyone there, and Susie & Jen have become two of the craftiest and savviest players in this game.

STRONGEST WOMEN Evelyn Next in no order: Holly RR7 Holly RR9 Laurel Next: Jodi Next in no order, depending on the type of challenge: Beth Ellen Emily DC (I think she looked extremely strong in what little we saw of her) Emily RR Rachel RR Ruthie Tori STRONGEST MEN In no order: Alton CT Landon Next in no order: Darrell Evan Theo RR Tyler Next in no order, depending on the type of challenge: Abram Derrick Jamie Johnny Kenny Mark MikeMiz Noor Timmy Next in no order, depending on the type of challenge: Brad Dan RR Frank Wes (sorry the only time I saw him approach "dominating" was in Duel1, and he won by a soccer kick)

^^^ Tyler? That high? I think his showing on Cut Throat has made him widely overrated.

I think Alton is overrated. He only does REALLY well on climbing missions. His character and leadership skills definitely change peoples views of how strong of a competitor he is. He threw himself into the Gauntlet in the Gauntlet 1 for a reason, he wasn't doing well in the missions. He beat Jeremy in the Gauntlet 2 elimination because it was a climbing gauntlet, and Alton is a BEAST at climbing. He beat LT in the gauntlet (gauntlet 1) because it was a climbing gauntlet again! (Pole-Climb).

[QUOTE] Tyler? That high? I think his showing on Cut Throat has made him widely overrated. [/QUOTE] I think Tyler's past appearance performances may have tainted him a bit. However, he is in much different and stronger shape now, and he doesn't seem to have a weak area. I don't think there was any competitor at Cutthroat who could have beaten him in anything. [QUOTE] I think Alton is overrated. He only does REALLY well on climbing missions. [/QUOTE] Alton looks overrated because his climbing skills and speed are THAT good. However, he is also very strong, tough, agile and has endurance. Case in point, The Gauntlet 2, when he effortlessly mowed down that track pulling his teammates on the cart. He ran it faster and harder than everyone else and barely broke a sweat. I find Alton very similar to Landon, only Landon has had more exposure to Challenges and we've been able to watch him in action more. Many castmembers who have competed with Alton have called him out as one of the best competitors ever. I think Landon even only specifically mentioned Alton in one interview when they asked him about strong Challenge competitors. So until he shows me otherwise, I do think he belongs up there with Landon and CT. And how I even know this stuff is amusing and a bit sad to me!!! :)

Alton really didn't do to hot in the Gauntlet 1. To become one of the "best" you should be consistent in every challenge, like say Landon or CT.

[QUOTE=GivingTree;249271]Wow. I just watched and if Ibis said what I think she said, that is absolutely horrible. I couldn't agree more with what you said.[/QUOTE] Did Tonya ever say something like that happened to her in her original season? All I remember was that she grew up in a foster family but I don't remember if she was actually removed from her biological family.

[QUOTE=Matty;249339]I think Tyler's past appearance performances may have tainted him a bit. However, he is in much different and stronger shape now, and he doesn't seem to have a weak area. I don't think there was any competitor at Cutthroat who could have beaten him in anything. [/QUOTE] Tyler would have lost at Back Up Off Me and probably Pole Me Over to Eric as well as Handcuffs to Abram, Brad, and Derrick and who knows with Swat/Die Hard. Doing good on one show doesn't constitute enough for me to call someone one of the best. Hence how I also don't understand how Noor seems to get ranked so high a decent amount of the time when he did one show and didn't really do much on it.

[QUOTE=Delancy221;249261]Who do you think are the top 5 weakest females in challenge history? And top 5 strongest?[/QUOTE] Strongest Evelyn Rachel (RR: Campus Crawl) Holly (RR: Latin America) Jodi Emily (RR:2) Weakest Casey Shauvon Arissa Cameran Brooke

[QUOTE=Morris1721;249307]I, personally, never use the Back Off Duel as a good determinant of a person's abilites because I feel like the Duel was flawed. Obviously you can do a good job winning (like every winner of the Duel did, don't get me wrong) but things could've been alot different if the participants had been able to be physical and stop getting told to "go for the hook!". I thought that was stupid because one person is gonna be screwed because they're gonna fight closer to one of the rings than the other person's and because they couldn't be physical with each other, that one person who's ring is all the way on the other side is completely ****ed, unless they pull something like Brad did, and even then it's not gonna work every time.[/QUOTE] Yeah tough event, but Ruthie was a true veteran while Kimberly was a rookie......Ruthie should of had the wits to defeat Kimberly, i'm sorry. Ruthie just has fallen considerably, she's definitely not a top ten all time and maybe not even top 15(top 20 though). 5 Strongest Males all time: First two are in no order: Mark CT Timmy Theo V Dan(RR Northern Trail) or Landon-tough one. Most people of course would say Landon, but Dan(Theo V also) were better overall competitors than Landon. But the thing is, Dan would be better than Landon for the old challenge eras, because the missions were more about skill and not just about physical prowess, while Landon would better for the challenges now because they are more about physical prowess(cater to the strongest and bigger guys) and less about skill. And since Dan and Theo were on par with each other, and it was to hard to tell who was better, i went by who would be better for the challenges now; because the challenges have changed since Theo and Dan were on it, they've become much more physical and less about skill and other abilities. Theo was bigger and stronger than Dan so he would of most likely been a bit better. 5 Weakest Males all time: In no order: Karamo Danny(RR Extreme) Jacquese Alex Neil(RW London) P.S-Tyler is seriously overrated, not to mention Alton and Landon by people once again.

[QUOTE=Superboy;249489]Yeah tough event, but Ruthie was a true veteran while Kimberly was a rookie......Ruthie should of had the wits to defeat Kimberly i'm sorry.[/QUOTE] Being a vet doesn't automatically make you better then a rookie I'm sorry.

[QUOTE]Hence how I also don't understand how Noor seems to get ranked so high a decent amount of the time when he did one show and didn't really do much on it.[/QUOTE]Just as with DC Emily, I based my opinion off how they performed in their one appearance. The little I saw of Noor was enough to put him that high. I do think he can take on a lot of these guys in many challenges, depending on the type. Maybe I'll start a betting pool!! [QUOTE]Tyler would have lost at Back Up Off Me and probably Pole Me Over to Eric as well as Handcuffs to Abram, Brad, and Derrick and who knows with Swat/Die Hard.[/QUOTE]Aneesa is known as the elimination queen but I wouldn't rank her anywhere near the top. She does too poorly in challenges not involving brute strength and I don't think she would finish strong in a final. Eliminations are not accurate measures of strong players. Sarah for example, eliminated many RWers in G1 but she sucked pretty bad in team challenges and had to be dragged through through the final and carried to the finish line. So despite winning a lot of eliminations, she'd be very low on my list as a Challenge competitor. If I had to rate Tyler next to Abram, Brad, and Derrick challenge for challenge and through a final mission performance, my money would be on Tyler to come out on top most of the time. At least in the form he demonstrated on Cuthroat. I think he could have easily beaten either one in Handcuffs, and I wouldn't be too sure to just hand Eric the victories in anything involving weight. Tyler has got some of the best endurance among these men, and if he is able to keep his wits about him and tire Eric out just enough, which shouldn't be that difficult, he can beat him. Frank was very good at doing that with MJ. I think Tyler would've have eliminated Abram just as he did Derrick at the last elimination. The only person I think would've beaten Tyler during Cutthroat was CT. I guess my list is based more on castmembers I think would not only dominate or go far during the game, but also kick *** in a final mission. Not necessarily just eliminations. Eliminations don't count for much if you can't make it to or get through a final.

[QUOTE=Matty;249491]I think Tyler would've have eliminated Abram just as he did Derrick at the last elimination. The only person I think would've beaten Tyler during Cutthroat was CT. I guess my list is based more on castmembers I think would not only dominate or go far during the game, but also kick *** in a final mission. Not necessarily just eliminations. Eliminations don't count for much if you can't make it to or get through a final.[/QUOTE] What did Tyler do that stood out besides last longer then Johnny against CT and beat Derrick in an elimination round that heavily favored him? Back on D1 he competed against Derrick in something that was athletic and brains combined and he lost. When has Tyler proven to be as tenacious as Derrick for you to say he'd beat Derrick at handcuffs? I don't think Abram has proven to be an elimination round beast (although I do believe he could be) but rather a natural leader and strategist for missions. He is naturally good at things. The Red team continually flopped during the missions. During the final, it didn't look like Tyler did any better or worse then the other guys. I think overall Tyler hasn't been proven to be better then the guys you have him listed above. I'm not taking away from Tyler's performance from Cutthroat, he won fair and square against Johnny and Derrick, but I don't think he did enough to put him as high as you did. It's your opinion but I just disagree with it.

[QUOTE=faceless;249490]Being a vet doesn't automatically make you better then a rookie I'm sorry.[/QUOTE] Yeah it doesn't, but Ruthie had a real good rep, but disappointed. [QUOTE]If I had to rate Tyler next to Abram, Brad, and Derrick challenge for challenge and through a final mission performance, my money would be on Tyler to come out on top most of the time. At least in the form he demonstrated on Cuthroat. [B]I think he could have easily beaten either one in Handcuffs[/B], and I wouldn't be too sure to just hand Eric the victories in anything involving weight. Tyler has got some of the best endurance among these men, and if he is able to keep his wits about him and tire Eric out just enough, which shouldn't be that difficult, he can beat him. Frank was very good at doing that with MJ. I think Tyler would've have eliminated Abram just as he did Derrick at the last elimination. The only person I think would've beaten Tyler during Cutthroat was CT. [/QUOTE] Derrick and Abram would of destroyed Tyler in handcuffs. Tyler's only strength he showed on Cutthroat was his size and endurance, he's not really a physically strong guy. Derrick worked him in the last missions before the final, and during their elimination round(it took Tyler a LONG time to finally beat a guy he was twice bigger than in a event that easily favored him because of his size). Tyler doesn't belong anywhere NEAR the best of the best all time, he has ways to go to prove he belongs. [QUOTE] I don't think Abram has proven to be an elimination round beast (although I do believe he could be) but rather a natural leader and strategist for missions.[/QUOTE] I guess you forgot about his elimination round against Brad. Yes he basically lost to Timmy, but Timmy was a higher rank than Abram and smarter(he had the sense to break threw the glass floor with his knees and not with his fist) despite making that ignorant mistake of standing up and knocking out the glass with his head. Abram is one of the most feared competitors, only CT was feared more. On the Inferno 1, Real World(expect for Mike and CT) was afraid to go against him in the Inferno, not to mention Derrick and Johnny on the Island, and Dunbar, Tyler, and Brad(who admitted to being afraid of facing him) on Cutthroat.

[QUOTE]It's your opinion but I just disagree with it.[/QUOTE] Well you're WRONG. :) Just kidding. Disagreeing about these fools is part of the fun of watching the show! Who knows, maybe Tyler, Emily DC, and Noor will belly-flop. (Speaking of, BRING BACK THE ******* GAMES Challenge people!) But for now I think they're in the "stronger" category. I think Tyler did very well for the Red Team if I recall correctly. Wasn't he their best performer? That some of them sucked or were more focused on whittling the team and making it to the end was not his fault. Derrick didn't start off as strong as he is now on these Challenges. He got better and smarter every Challenge. Same with Darrell and Abram. Abram was actually kind of mediocre when he first started. He was known more for his crazy than being a dominant player. He lost both MikeMiz/CrazyAbram showdowns back then, but I think he would've won now. Similarly, I think Tyler has gotten and is getting better. (And it's not like he's one of my favorites, I would root more for Derrick and others I ranked lower than him.) I think the more Challenges he does the more he will stand out to others as a top player. Same with Emily DC and Noor. That's if they don't cancel the show of course...

[QUOTE][B]I think Tyler did very well for the Red Team if I recall correctly. Wasn't he their best performer? [/B]That some of them sucked or were more focused on whittling the team and making it to the end was not his fault.[/QUOTE] Hard to tell because he didn't stand out in any of the missions. [QUOTE][B]Derrick didn't start off as strong as he is now on these Challenges. He got better and smarter every Challenge. Same with Darrell and Abram. Abram was actually kind of mediocre when he first started. [/B]He was known more for his crazy than being a dominant player. He lost both MikeMiz/CrazyAbram showdowns back then, but I think he would've won now. Similarly, I think Tyler has gotten and is getting better. (And it's not like he's one of my favorites, I would root more for Derrick and others I ranked lower than him.) I think the more Challenges he does the more he will stand out to others as a top player. Same with Emily DC and Noor. [/QUOTE] Derrick didn't improve too much, he was a pitball from the start. As for Darrell, it was always the same case for him.... he shined in about 2 missions, but was mediocre for the most part. Than when he really needed to step up, like in a final mission or when he was on the shopping block for an elimination round, he turned into a beast. And as for Abram, yes he was mediocre during his first challenges, he only turned into a beast starting with Inferno 2. Shane was a better competitor than Abram during their first challenges, he did much better than Abram on the BOTS 1(his first challenge) than Abram did on the Gauntlet 1, and outperformed him on the Inferno 1 and BOTS 2. Lastly, Tyler hasn't improved, he's just been lucky. He was always athletic, but ran into Derrick in wrong event on the Duel 1, and Frank on the Gauntlet 2. But he was fortunate to go against Johnny and Derrick in events that easily favored him(because of his bigger size) on Cutthroat.

Something that I would really like to see if they ever did a sort of "All Star" challenge with a big cast and just completely went all out would be that when a person gets put into an elimination, they would get to pick an elimination that they've competed in on a previous challenge, whatever it may be. I would love to see Derrick go against somebody else in Beach Brawl, or Beth be able to redeem her Push Me DQ. Obviously they'd have to have limits because to be able to construct any elimination would probably be pretty difficult, but maybe not. I wonder what they even do with all the equipment and material from past elimination rounds (i.e. the Push Me pole; the Ball Brawl ball)

[QUOTE=Morris1721;249547][B]Something that I would really like to see if they ever did a sort of "All Star" challenge with a big cast and just completely went all out would be that when a person gets put into an elimination, they would get to pick an elimination that they've competed in on a previous challenge, whatever it may be.[/B] I would love to see Derrick go against somebody else in Beach Brawl, or Beth be able to redeem her Push Me DQ. Obviously they'd have to have limits because to be able to construct any elimination would probably be pretty difficult, but maybe not. I wonder what they even do with all the equipment and material from past elimination rounds (i.e. the Push Me pole; the Ball Brawl ball)[/QUOTE] That would be really cool, but if it were a best of the best challenge, it wouldn't be fair because greats like Mark and Timmy are well past their prime and would be beaten by the younger top players. They should of did something like that around 2005-2006, around the time of Duel 1 and Inferno 3.

[QUOTE=Superboy;249548]That would be really cool, but if it were a best of the best challenge, it wouldn't be fair because greats like Mark and Timmy are well past their prime and would be beaten by the younger top players. They should of did something like that around 2005-2006, around the time of Duel 1 and Inferno 3.[/QUOTE] Agreed, some could still compete, but like you said, there's still some that wouldn't be able to. I guess if they did ever do anything like that they'd have to work with what they could get and take it from there. Wouldn't exactly be "best of the best" but hopefully enough "bests" and winners could show and at least make it iinteresting.

Hello, I've been a lurker for a while and I just decided to become a member. A lot of people on these forums seem to be very knowledgeable about the challenges and MTV in general. I'm an athletic guy and I love sports, I look at these challenges as a semi sport. I know there is a lot of politics involved as well but... Anyway, I tried searching for stats about the players like height and weight for example but to no avail. So I'm making this thread so that those of you who are knowledgeable about these things can shed some light. I think MTV should really think about doing this by default. So to start off, it would be awesome if we could get a list of heights and weights going. I know some might be hard to find and the weights are dynamic but I think it would be cool thing to see.

That's really not something that we have access to...you might be better off asking them specifically yourself. A lot of these people may seem knowledgeable about the challenges and MTV, but an [I]extremely[/I] small handful (I would say < 5) of regular posters know the challengers personally enough past Facebook to know their weight and height.

Yeah I've been interested in that for a while. I know a few people that I've seen published before. These are not exacts but around what I remembered when i read them. Sure weight fluctuates Kenny is around 6'2 195 Johnny 6'1 185 Landon 5'11 185 CT 6'1 210 Tyler 6'0 205 Alton 5'10 175 Mark long 6'4 205 Derrick k 5'8 160 Davis 6'0 175 If I remember more I'll post

I don't think Johnny is over 6' tall, but pretty much all of the measurements you listed are as close to accurate as you'll find. CT said Wes was no bigger than 5'10" and 180 back when they did the first Duel.

Yea I know there aren't any official numbers but would be nice if MTV posts those cus I'm sure they make them take a physical before the show. Is Landon that tall, I heard he and Wes were only around 5'9 or so. I guess a little bit taller than Derrick and I don't think Johnny is that tall either. I remember on the backpack elimination, he was at least a couple of inches shorter than CT.

I feel like Derrick is shorter than 5'8?

Great post DaLeadBull. I've been wanting to ask the same thing for awhile but I wasn't sure if anyone knew and didn't know where to post it since this would probably get lost in the shuffle in this thread. I think in one of Derrick's podcast he said he was only 5'6". I remember awhile back when Austin first came out and I'm not sure if it was this board or another board I was lurking had a user that was at a party with the Austin cast and said Danny was only 5'7", and Wes and Nehemiah were 5'8". I don't think Johnny and Landon are that tall either. When they stand beside Wes, they look only an inch or two taller.