Real World: Las Vegas 2 - Aftershow

[QUOTE=V1man;245502]Re the comment in bold... Or Heather still has a fundamental issue with Dustin having not been open and honest with her before they had sex. There is nothing homophobic in her actions. Other things had happened between Heather and Dustin and among the entire cast prior to the taping of the Aftershow that contributed to Heather's coldness toward Dustin. Some of it will come out, some will not. Both illuminate her attitude and behavior at the time of the show taping. Since this is not a spoiler thread, the relevant details can't be revealed here.[/QUOTE] the annoyance was more than I could stand so I joined to comment...please forgive me if I break any rules or offend anyone..no actually I take back the offending thing, that I dont care too much about but here goes. I am sooooo over people saying he lied or was not honest. She never asked him.... so no lie. And seriously has anyone ever gone into a relationship saying everything you did with other lovers. No way! I may have never been video taped...well maybe but It was never put on the internet, and I have never told my hubby about my freakness.....or my freak with others before him, and I am the only person he has ever been with. As for ppl saying that he must be gay or will go back to doing it IMO it is no different than always being attracted to tall dark and handsome, but falling in love with average height blonde hair but amazing person...and never getting into bed with the latter. The only thing that should matter is who he is now and how he is with whom he is with.

April 28, 2011 - 3:17pm

(Reply to #124) #125

Mondo

[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;245525]Not only that, but if you are a poor kid, it is not likely anybody in your life really understands the admission/Financial aid stuff to help you and high schools pretty much only help and encourage a select few in that regard IMO.[/QUOTE] Oh come on now. If Teen Mom 2 Jenelle could do it I think someone who seems as intelligent as Dustin could figure out financial aid and also knew about it. Also, from personal experience of growing up in a rural southern town, even if you are horrible in school and you are currently growing up in group home with no parents at some point in your life at that point either through a couple of your friends or a guidance counselor will tell you that you can get financial aid and go to the local community college and alot do either to go to school or defraud the government to get a financial aid check. I guess my main point is people know about financial aid and know they can get it, if you are saying that the high schools push kids into certain fields and say to some kids that they are not smart enough for college, then you may have a point there, but again I stress that most of the kids know they could get financial aid but whats the point if "Im" not smart enough for college. Applying my premise to Dustin, it does not seem to match his personality at all. I think what he said about either playing ball, oil fields, or selling drugs might be true for alot of people where he is from and is a stock answer for people in his community about their choices and that is why he said it, but Dustin is intelligent and further knows he is intelligent. I think he defiantly knows that he could have easily gone to a community college and then transferred to a four year school and become an accountant in Baton Rouge or somewhere, but that's not what he wanted to do with his life. You can tell that through the way he has acted this season. (On a side note, I think he is also delusional enough to think that he was athletic enough to not only get an athletic scholarship, but that he would be playing either football or baseball at LSU, if he could have only played in high school). To be honest, its that type of personality that he has shown, not that he did not have a choice, just that he wanted to be somebody, either a personalty or an actor or somebody famous that lead to the choices that he makes (along with easy money and his bad childhood because if not for those two factors he would probably be a waiter in LA trying to be an actor instead of a **** star and in both cases he is still not in school).

April 28, 2011 - 3:18pm

(Reply to #125) #126

[QUOTE=rallen;245578]... I am sooooo over people saying he lied or was not [B]honest[/B]. She never asked him.... so no lie.[/QUOTE] He was not honest when putting forth different answers as to the nature of his past experiences. I really like Dustin and will defend him on most fronts, but he should have told Heather before he slept with her. To foresee that would be an issue for most people cannot be argued against, and is, in fact, Dustin's explanation as to why he hadn't told her once they did start having sex. I have defended him here time and time again, but on not telling Heather, he was just so freaking wrong that it is indefensible to pretend otherwise.

April 28, 2011 - 3:26pm

(Reply to #126) #127

[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;245582]He was not honest when putting forth different answers as to the nature of his past experiences. I really like Dustin and will defend him on most fronts, but he should have told Heather before he slept with her. To foresee that would be an issue for most people cannot be argued against, and is, in fact, Dustin's explanation as to why he hadn't told her once they did start having sex. I have defended him here time and time again, but on not telling Heather, he was just so freaking wrong that it is indefensible to pretend otherwise.[/QUOTE] So do you believe that you should discuss every sexual encounter with a new "crush" girlfriend or relationship?

April 28, 2011 - 3:30pm

(Reply to #127) #128

V1man

[QUOTE=rallen;245578]the annoyance was more than I could stand so I joined to comment...please forgive me if I break any rules or offend anyone..no actually I take back the offending thing, that I dont care too much about but here goes. I am sooooo over people saying he lied or was not honest. She never asked him.... so no lie. And seriously has anyone ever gone into a relationship saying everything you did with other lovers. No way! I may have never been video taped...well maybe but It was never put on the internet, and I have never told my hubby about my freakness.....or my freak with others before him, and I am the only person he has ever been with. As for ppl saying that he must be gay or will go back to doing it IMO it is no different than always being attracted to tall dark and handsome, but falling in love with average height blonde hair but amazing person...and never getting into bed with the latter. The only thing that should matter is who he is now and how he is with whom he is with.[/QUOTE] Well.. welcome to the party. "The annoyance..." Are you suggesting that I annoyed you. You write everything without discrimination following my quote, so I must begin by assuming that all you write refers to my comments. A. There are lies of omission and comission. I suggest the following reading, then we can have a intelligent discussion: "The Art of Lying" written in the 1960s by Cecille Bach (although the author may be wrongly identified). B. I take no personal position on him being gay, straight or somewhere inbetween. From the body language seen when he responds to the question, I don't think he yet knows the answer. Whatever the answer, it won't matter to me at all. I'll just be pleased that he finally came to know himself.

April 28, 2011 - 3:46pm

(Reply to #128) #129

[QUOTE=rallen;245583]so do you believe that you should discuss every sexual encounter with a new "crush" girlfriend or relationship?[/QUOTE] For the sake of Heather's safety? Yes, he should have told her. It's basic common safe sex knowledge.

April 28, 2011 - 3:52pm

(Reply to #129) #130

Bacchus

[QUOTE=rallen;245583]So do you believe that you should discuss every sexual encounter with a new "crush" girlfriend or relationship?[/QUOTE] I'd personally like to know if someone I was dating made money on the side doing ****. Maybe that's just my "old fashion" belief system...

April 28, 2011 - 3:57pm

(Reply to #130) #131

[QUOTE=cystic;245586]For the sake of Heather's safety? Yes, he should have told her. It's basic common safe sex knowledge.[/QUOTE] I would disagree slightly. If he had been tested and retested and retested after stopping and nothing showed up, then maybe there would be an argument for the other side. To me, one does not enter into a relationship of that nature with someone withholding information like that knowing for most people that would be a profound issue to have to deal with once they were emotionally committed. To me is would be knowingly toying with someone's emotions.

April 28, 2011 - 4:01pm

(Reply to #131) #132

[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;245591]I would disagree slightly. [B]If he had been tested and retested and retested after stopping and nothing showed up[/B], then maybe there would be an argument for the other side. To me, one does not enter into a relationship of that nature with someone withholding information like that knowing for most people that would be a profound issue to have to deal with once they were emotionally committed. To me is would be knowingly toying with someone's emotions.[/QUOTE] The thing is, we don't know that for sure and neither did Heather. We're getting into those nasty hypotheticals again. People tend to get complacent when it concerns STD's, especially when it comes to homosexual intercourse and that is the big mistake... Another alarming factor in all of this is, like I mentioned before, people lie all the time about status. Not exactly a risk anyone should be so casual about.

April 28, 2011 - 4:07pm

(Reply to #132) #133

[QUOTE=cystic;245592]The thing is, we don't know that for sure. We're getting into those nasty hypotheticals again. People tend to get complacent when it concerns STD's, especially when it comes to homosexual intercourse and that is the big mistake...[/QUOTE] Sure because he didn't say, "I've been repeatedly tested" instead saying it was a "clean industry". Then there are other health issues like HPV which, if they did not use protection, could lead to rectal/****/colon cancer down the road for Dustin and be spread (the HPV) pretty readily causing partners to develop their own variant cancers. I have never seen the video of him and David, nor any stills from it, so I don't know what went on. Generally, though, I think that the potential emotional harm is every bit as relevant a reason to tell something like that to somebody.

April 28, 2011 - 4:10pm

(Reply to #133) #134

[QUOTE=V1man;245584]Well.. welcome to the party. "The annoyance..." Are you suggesting that I annoyed you. You write everything without discrimination following my quote, so I must begin by assuming that all you write refers to my comments. A. There are lies of omission and comission. I suggest the following reading, then we can have a intelligent discussion: "The Art of Lying" written in the 1960s by Cecille Bach (although the author may be wrongly identified). B. I take no personal position on him being gay, straight or somewhere inbetween. From the body language seen when he responds to the question, I don't think he yet knows the answer. Whatever the answer, it won't matter to me at all. I'll just be pleased that he finally came to know himself.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the welcome, and honestly it was not you exactly, it was just the metaphorical straw, I read the same opinion 12 times, and just kept thinking seriously my husband does not know every person I have slept with or what I have done with them only what has happened in OUR sex life...been together 14 years and most of them where happy ;.) I am familiar with lie of omission but do not think he should HAVE to tell her My sister has hair on her toes...she shaves them most of the time so not until she had been married did my bil discover the "truth" but noone called her a liar, and it fair to say that most men might have issue with a hairy toed woman. Honestly no argument, even a well worded logical one will change my stubborn opinion that somehow what he did over 2 years ago would be cause to call him a betrayer or a liar. [QUOTE=cystic;245586]For the sake of Heather's safety? Yes, he should have told her. It's basic common safe sex knowledge.[/QUOTE] Wait so it is common safe sex knowledge that after giving a man oral sex you can threaten the safety of a woman you sleep with years later. Scenario: Heterosexual couple; female" honey see that man standing over there by the bar, when we had our sex talk I forgot to tell you I had his ***** in my mouth a few years ago" no way Common safe sex knowledge, it is the same stds transferred homosexually as it is hetero and you should use condoms other forms of BC or wait, or Ask someone if it is going to be deal breaker before. She asked if she should be tested after she found out he was intimate with another guy...he could have been with 150 females and she was not concerned about her "safety" then. I would also like to say maybe I would not have my panties so knotted about it if someone would just say "ewww, it is icky he was doing stuff with another dude, gross"

April 28, 2011 - 4:12pm

(Reply to #134) #135

[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;245593]Sure because he didn't say, [B]"I've been repeatedly tested" instead saying it was a "clean industry"[/B]. Then there are other health issues like HPV which, if they did not use protection, could lead to rectal/****/colon cancer down the road for Dustin and be spread (the HPV) pretty readily causing partners to develop their own variant cancers. I have never seen the video of him and David, nor any stills from it, so I don't know what went on. Generally, though, I think that the potential emotional harm is every bit as relevant a reason to tell something like that to somebody.[/QUOTE] Again, people lie all the time (which is kind of what he did in the first place). Hey, look I'm clean, no need to worry! See how easy that was? I never hear the end of "But everyone in the house was only familiar with each other for a month, so they should back off Dustin" but couldn't that argument be reciprocated in Heather's defense? They were dating for what, 3 weeks? Was his word that he was clean really worth much at the time?

April 28, 2011 - 4:15pm

(Reply to #135) #136

[QUOTE=rallen;245594]Wait so it is common safe sex knowledge that after giving a man oral sex you can threaten the safety of a woman you sleep with years later. Scenario: Heterosexual couple; female" honey see that man standing over there by the bar, when we had our sex talk I forgot to tell you I had his ***** in my mouth a few years ago" no way[/QUOTE] You're just buying into his watered down version of the story pertaining to how far he went with his "co-stars", and that should have been apparent to you after seeing him change his story up in each progressive scene. He did a lot more than just oral, and several people can attest to that...

April 28, 2011 - 4:20pm

(Reply to #136) #137

[QUOTE=cystic;245596]You're just buying into his watered down version of the story pertaining to how far he went with his "co-stars", and that should have been apparent to you after seeing him change his story up in each progressive scene. He did a lot more than just oral, and several people can attest to that...[/QUOTE] Incorrect, it was just the example I used but if it better suits I could change it to" he had his ***** in my ****. "

April 28, 2011 - 4:33pm

(Reply to #137) #138

[QUOTE=cystic;245595]Again, people lie all the time (which is kind of what he did in the first place). Hey, look I'm clean, no need to worry! See how easy that was? I never hear the end of "But everyone in the house was only familiar with each other for a month, so they should back off Dustin" but couldn't that argument be reciprocated in Heather's defense? They were dating for what, 3 weeks? Was his word that he was clean really worth much at the time?[/QUOTE] Even if he were clean, he still should have told her was my original point. I could argue just as easily that Heather who apparently based on the preview and her twitter, may have some bi-tendancies of her own and Dustin would have been justified in wanting to be tested for his own safety. HIV and Hep my area are growing by leaps and bounds in the straight community due to drug use and encounters with drug users. It is not just a gay sex/male issue.

April 28, 2011 - 4:39pm

(Reply to #138) #139

[QUOTE=rallen;245598]incorrect, it was just the example I used but if it better suits I could change it to" he had his ***** in my ****. "[/QUOTE] Yes...yes, it's common safe sex knowledge to let your partner know where you've been...why wouldn't you??? Because it's embarrassing? That is a terrible, awful argument, I'm sorry. Whoops, you caught my aids sorry I didn't tell you before but it would've made me look bad. The rate of HIV is much greater in receptive **** sex. Put two and two together... Heather had at least a right to be worried about herself after she found out. People need to stop trying to insinuate this episode had anything to do with anyone's "disgust" for gay men, when that had [B]zero[/B] to do with this episode. Dustin did things that could have affected Heather's health, and disclosed that information from her. He violated her trust and put her in potential danger because he was too scared or embarrassed to let her know. People need to stop complicating it more than it needs to be.

April 28, 2011 - 4:47pm

(Reply to #139) #140

[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;245599]Even if he were clean, he still should have told her was my original point. [B]I could argue just as easily that Heather who apparently based on the preview and her twitter, may have some bi-tendancies of her own[/B] and Dustin would have been justified in wanting to be tested for his own safety. HIV and Hep my area are growing by leaps and bounds in the straight community due to drug use and encounters with drug users. It is not just a gay sex/male issue.[/QUOTE] That's the problem with your argument. Your insinuation that she has ******** tendencies is not well-informed or factual, just based on inferences. Dustin's "******** tendencies" are well-documented and undeniable in video form (perhaps not widely available to everyone, but it's existence is there). All we've seen is Heather kiss Nany.

April 28, 2011 - 4:49pm

(Reply to #140) #141

[QUOTE=cystic;245600]....[B]People need to stop trying to insinuate this episode had anything to do with anyone's "disgust" for gay men, when that had [B]zero[/B] to do with this episode.[/B] Dustin did things that could have affected Heather's health, and disclosed that information from her. He violated her trust and put her in potential danger because he was too scared or embarrassed to let her know. People need to stop complicating it more than it needs to be.[/QUOTE] While that may be what you perceive the episode was about, I respectfully disagree with you about the first part. Dustin has been hounded on this issue on FB and twitter from the beginning and is still getting it today.

April 28, 2011 - 6:12pm

(Reply to #141) #142

V1man

[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;245602]While that may be what you perceive the episode was about, I respectfully disagree with you about the first part. Dustin has been hounded on this issue on FB and twitter from the beginning and is still getting it today.[/QUOTE] Hounded? Does he not know how to make his FB private and simply stop reading twitter? Please, help me take your comments seriously because at the moment I'm suffering from a bout of incredulous laughter.

April 28, 2011 - 8:20pm

(Reply to #142) #143

[QUOTE=V1man;245609]Hounded? Does he not know how to make his FB private and simply stop reading twitter? Please, help me take your comments seriously because at the moment I'm suffering from a bout of incredulous laughter.[/QUOTE] This kid is trying as much as anybody else to use this opportunity to advance himself in some way. You know as well as anybody else that these RW casts use those things to try to connect with fans, book gigs, and professionally network with other cast members. It is not really possible to do all that on the cheap and not read people's posts.

April 28, 2011 - 10:11pm

(Reply to #143) #144

[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;245602]While that may be what you perceive the episode was about, I respectfully disagree with you about the first part. Dustin has been hounded on this issue on FB and twitter from the beginning and is still getting it today.[/QUOTE] What's popular isn't always right. That's the sad thing - those who watched the episode and are harassing him for the wrong reasons failed to learn anything from the episode or immediately turned it into another gay argument. It's like just because it was gay ****, the entire argument has to revolve around that and nothing else. Viewers are SO fixated on the very thing they're chastising the other castmate's for focusing on - the fact it was gay ****. Irony. There are so so many other key issues in this episode that people choose to ignore in favor of another pointless argument about gay rights...Wake up, people. There's more to the episode than that. So much more. The only positive thing I will say is that this storyline had a lot of potential to educate rather than entertain, but that didn't happen...

April 28, 2011 - 10:16pm

(Reply to #144) #145

Bacchus

I finally caught the aftershow as I was not able to watch last night. I have three comments: 1. Mike has no business commenting. Dustin did not do anything to him. He is just ramming in his ideological thoughts. 2. Chet was entirely agenda driven. It wasn't fun to watch, especially when we are used to Hollywood host caliber talent like Mark. 3. Heather looked dead inside. It made me sad. She seems like an empathetic being.

April 28, 2011 - 11:19pm

(Reply to #145) #146

[QUOTE=Bacchus;245639]I finally caught the aftershow as I was not able to watch last night. I have three comments: 1. Mike has no business commenting. Dustin did not do anything to him. He is just ramming in his ideological thoughts. 2. Chet was entirely agenda driven. It wasn't fun to watch, especially when we are used to Hollywood host caliber talent like Mark. 3. Heather looked dead inside. It made me sad. She seems like an empathetic being.[/QUOTE] yes,yes, and I think she is actually very forgiving too, someone just sent me a link to this dustin and heather snow day....so even if they are broken up now they did survive originally after leaving the house. (my apologies if this is somewhere) [url=http://www.youtube.com/user/heathermarter#p/u/5/BPa8IJFt7Ww]YouTube - heathermarter's Channel[/url]

April 28, 2011 - 11:33pm

(Reply to #146) #147

Bacchus

[QUOTE=rallen;245647]yes,yes, and I think she is actually very forgiving too, someone just sent me a link to this dustin and heather snow day....so even if they are broken up now they did survive originally after leaving the house. (my apologies if this is somewhere) [/QUOTE] That is a good video. It describes what seems like a happy time.

April 30, 2011 - 2:23am

(Reply to #147) #148

SPENCERlife

[QUOTE=Bacchus;245639]I finally caught the aftershow as I was not able to watch last night. I have three comments: 1. Mike has no business commenting. Dustin did not do anything to him. He is just ramming in his ideological thoughts. 2. Chet was entirely agenda driven. It wasn't fun to watch, especially when we are used to Hollywood host caliber talent like Mark. 3. Heather looked dead inside. It made me sad. She seems like an empathetic being.[/QUOTE] Of course she's ''dead inside'' She fell for and slept with a guy that doesn't even know what sexual preference he is. Kinda says alot about her standards now doesn't it?

April 30, 2011 - 7:10am

(Reply to #148) #149

V1man

[QUOTE=SPENCERlife;245716]Of course she's ''dead inside'' She fell for and slept with a guy that doesn't even know what sexual preference he is. [B] Kinda says alot about her standards now doesn't it?[/B][/QUOTE] Perhaps her reaction indicates that she is fully well aware and capable of understanding the consequences of her own choices. Thus, I'd venture that it says very positive things about her ability to learn from the experience. There is more to come from the season and dailies on this point. I do wonder what the lack of empathy in your reply to Bacchus suggests about you. That is a comment out of curiosity and I'm not suggesting you have none. The evidence is simply incomplete. [SIZE="1"] (Of course, such a direct response to the site owner may not give us time to get to know you...) :popcorm2: [/SIZE]

April 30, 2011 - 7:44am

(Reply to #149) #150