The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

[QUOTE=cryssy19;230251]Actually Wes and Brad annoy me more. Its all a matter of opinion. SO IMO, FM people re invited too much, it's repetitive, however I disagree with the whole "they bring nothing" argument. I'm not a purist, especially since I barely watch the Real World anymore. I don't blame MTV because if the Real World ratings are declining, then a revamp of the challenge may be necessary to increase those ratings, and I think FM did just that for them. I'm generally neither here nor there about the FM people, however I do like Evan and Laurel. ( and I have watched every season of the challenge beside BOTSeasons.) I think new ideas are necessary and I'm sure a lot of people would enjoy seeing the talked about 3-team format with RR vs RW vs FM, especially if FM gets their butt kicked :P All in all, everyone has their opinion, but maybe we're making a big deal out of nothing, in fact, most of us still watch the show....FM or not. You're kidding right? Did you not see Evan win The Duel 2 and other eliminations where FM beat castmembers? Come on now.... I don't think that's a valid argument.... although Ace was quite entertaining. Disagree big time. In stats, Carley was basically last place. Her partner mattered. She couldn't finish eliminations holding her own weight etc, while Laurel held her own weight and even finished before Kenny and cheered him on in an exile. If you say Laurel is average, then you must say that Kenny is amazing as well as Abe (since she won many many challenges with Kenny, one with Abe and she did well with them). One thing I think though is that people take these challenges more seriously than in older ones. Ace went home so many times, and just basically had fun with it, while Paula lost and lost and became "mentally unstable" sometimes and took it into her personal life. Nowadays, anyone who says something on a challenge, it affects their personal life and people see them as pathetic and the worst person alive etc, whereas in the old it was fun and games.... hence making the show interesting, funny and not as serious. Chill out, it's a gameshow on reality tv... how serious should that [I]REALLY[/I] be?[/QUOTE] Abram is a good competitor but Kenny? well he's Fresh Meat so whatever he does is irrelevant.Look we can sit here and argue the details. But the fact is that Carley Beat Laurel it doesn't matter if Landon dragged her *** there. CARLEY BEAT LAUREL so she's not as good as she thinks she is period. And also I agree with you about how the castmembers now take these challenges very seriously. It's one thing I liked about the older challenges.Back then the castmembers didn't act like it was a life and death situation and didn't go crazy or cry if they lost. I do remember Ace back on BOTS 2 saying next challenge he's gonna go home 3rd.

[QUOTE=jr588;230260]Syrus was just on The Ruins. Ruthie was just on The Duel 2 and I have a feeling she will be on the next one. 99% of the people who watch will have no idea who Kefla, Shayne, Belou, Raquel, Glenn or Msaada are. None of them have been on TV for at least 8 years (some as long as 18 years). Shane has publicly said he has no interest in returning to challenges and he is done with BMP/MTV. Kendall was a contracted/paid alternate for The Island, and yes she expressed interest in returning to challenges to get some money because she was not being paid child support. However, the challenges have changed a lot since The Inferno filmed back in '03 and I'm sure being away from phones and internet for 6 weeks would not seem very appealing to a single mother of a young child. Randy is boring, and as Superboy said, I don't think Ivory will ever be cast for a challenge because she was not an "official" road ruler. It has now been 4 years. I doubt the casual viewer remembers any of the non-veterans from VR other than Tori, Dan, Derek & possibly Angel. [B]You guys forget BMP/MTV doesn't care about making the die-hard fans happy. They know we will watch no matter what. They are more interested in catching the average MTV viewer's attention and casting alumni would seem more relevant and recongizable by the casual MTV viewer. There are some people who can be off MTV for years and would still be known (Coral, Beth, Veronica, etc.) and then there are some who can take 2 years off and go off into oblivion. Even someone like Trishelle who hasn't done a challenge in years would still be recognizable by the casual public to her notoriety and other projects aside from MTV[/B]. Sure, some offbeat choices have been paid off, such as casting Susie & Jo on The Gauntlet 2, while others, such as casting Ibis on The Ruins and Jon on Inferno 2 have not.[/QUOTE] Well if you ask me BMP needs to start caring about the fans that were watching the shows long before the Stale Meat came along because these shows are running on thin ice and BMP needs to start catering to as many people as they can to keep these shows alive and kicking. And yes I get that people who watch the show now won't know anything about the older castmbmers but that problem can be solved. Can't MTV just replay old RW/RR seasons? Like have those marathons they used to have? I mean they need to show something other than Jersey Shore and Teen Mom.

[QUOTE=Superboy;230317]I never [strike]seen[/strike] saw that, but I do remember them asking who we want casted sometime after the Gauntlet 1. Only people who regularly visited the MTV RW/RR challenge message boards during 2003 and 2004 would know what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE] Yeah around that time I was a member on MTV.com and regularly posted on their message boards. They had this huge list of castmembers and we had to pick which ones we wanted to see on the next challenge It was for The Inferno 2 since the theme of that challenge was Good Guys vs Bad *****.

[QUOTE=cjslife;230327]Carley didn't beat Laurel, Carley and Landon beat Laurel and Kenny. I'm not saying that Landon dragged Carley to the finish line but either way they were a team and they won together. Who knows how Laurel and Carley would have finished if it was an individual contest. I'm not the biggest fan of Laurel, but I don't think its really fair to say that Carley beat her. When actually she and Landon beat Laurel and Kenny as a team. To me that's like saying that Nehemiah beat CT in the Gauntlet 3 when actually it was the rookie team who beat the veteran team (although the veterans technically finished first, but that's beside the point I'm trying to make). Laurel is a great competitor don't get me wrong, but she has been acting as if she has been doing these shows for years and owns the place.[/QUOTE] It is VERY fair to say that Carley Beat Laurel because it's the truth. I understand what you're saying but team or not it doesn't matter. Carley beat Laurel, Landon beat Kenny, and Nehemiah beat CT,. Yeah it was a team effort but that doesn't detract from those statements.

[QUOTE=Superboy;230328]Do you remember seeing Los on the list?[/QUOTE] Nope I don't remember him being on that list. But I do remember Vince from Road Rules Islands being on that list.

[QUOTE=rsox813;230335]I'd have to strongly disagree with that statement. By this, you're then saying well, Katie beat the Miz in The Inferno and Cara beat Alton in The Gauntlet? That's not a fair statement and it isn't true. And to say that it's okay to make those statements really undermines all the other competitors, pretending that they had no effect. In professional sports, would say one's team's player beat another team's player? No. The Sox beat the Yankees or the Mavs beat the Lakers. [B]Maybe a person on the team led them to victory, but you can't say one person beat another[/B].[/QUOTE] Yes I can and I'll say it again. Carley beat Laurel.

Or maybe you all can just leave it alone and let me think what I like. I'm not gonna change what I think.