The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;230217]If you knew you already lost, would you take your sweet *** time getting up that mountain or would you do it as fast as possible?[/QUOTE] Considering that Kenny and Laurel both have egos the size of the Grand ******* Canyon, I would think they'd be going quick the whole way even after they knew they lost, just to try and make it look like they'd have won if they hadn't had to make up 2 minutes. I don't want to hear this bull**** about Landon and Carley only winning FM2 because they got the head start. This isn't the Duel where the head start CLEARLY swayed the outcome. Bottom line is that Landon and Carley beat Kenny and Laurel by 20 minutes, and the 2 minute head start they had was completely irrelevant to how teams finished in the final. I can't believe people would infer that Landon and Carley wouldn't have won if not for the head start. Garbage. Even if Kenny and Laurel are busting *** the whole way, they still lose by more than 2 minutes.

[QUOTE=AJHill;230370]Considering that Kenny and Laurel both have egos the size of the Grand ******* Canyon, I would think they'd be going quick the whole way even after they knew they lost, just to try and make it look like they'd have won if they hadn't had to make up 2 minutes. I don't want to hear this bull**** about Landon and Carley only winning FM2 because they got the head start. This isn't the Duel where the head start CLEARLY swayed the outcome. Bottom line is that Landon and Carley beat Kenny and Laurel by 20 minutes, and the 2 minute head start they had was completely irrelevant to how teams finished in the final. I can't believe people would infer that Landon and Carley wouldn't have won if not for the head start. Garbage. Even if Kenny and Laurel are busting *** the whole way, they still lose by more than 2 minutes.[/QUOTE] But you really don't know how fast Laurel and Kenny took to get to the top of the mountain. Yes, they're egos are huge, but for all we know once Laurel or Kenny saw them win (s)he could've shut down mentally and not cared anymore. I give Landon and Carley the utmost respect, they wholeheartedly deserved it. But no one will ever really know what would've happened if there wasn't a time difference.

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;230374]But you really don't know how fast Laurel and Kenny took to get to the top of the mountain. Yes, they're egos are huge, but for all we know once Laurel or Kenny saw them win (s)he could've shut down mentally and not cared anymore. I give Landon and Carley the utmost respect, they wholeheartedly deserved it. But no one will ever really know what would've happened if there wasn't a time difference.[/QUOTE] Even if Kenny and Laurel did shut down, I'm sure they didn't want to spend more time climbing that mountain than they needed to. Even if seeing they lost caused them to slow down 1/5th of the speed they were moving at (and even if you're dragging ***, you're probably not going as slow as 1/5th speed), that means at full speed, they still finish 4 minutes behind Landon/Carley, which is 2 whole minutes on top of the head start. Yes, no one will ever [I]really[/I] know what happened, but I think Landon and Carley take the final, head start or no head start.

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;230374]But you really don't know how fast Laurel and Kenny took to get to the top of the mountain. Yes, they're egos are huge, but for all we know once Laurel or Kenny saw them win (s)he could've shut down mentally and not cared anymore. I give Landon and Carley the utmost respect, they wholeheartedly deserved it. But no one will ever really know what would've happened if there wasn't a time difference.[/QUOTE] You seem to forget that there were two teams behind Kenny/Laurel that could pass them and make Kenny make less money. There's no way that Kenny would have taken less than 2 minutes to finish it, and even without the head start, Kenny was still at least 30 seconds behind if you just counted the canoeing/puzzle at the start in terms of head starts.

[QUOTE=Superboy;230256]Only those (of the pit crew) who made it on the RV would be considered Road Rulers and could do a challenge. Plus production obviously didn't like her thats why they rigged the last vote and gave Kristen a shot at getting on the RV because they favored her. There was no way Kristen got more votes than Ivory during that last vote in.[/QUOTE] I asked Ivory about that on twitter. She said production never told them that and she had never heard that rumor before. I believe that's a rumor. I mean what's the difference between someone who didn't get on the RV but was actually on the season and someone who just stumbled onto the beach to play a few games they had already seen on tv or someone who comes out of nowhere and is partnered up with alumni? Hhaha, I just don't see the reason why they haven't been asked unless they think they weren't that interesting. I definitely thought Ivory was interesting enough.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;230388]I asked Ivory about that on twitter. [/QUOTE]Could you link me or PM me her twitter? :)

[QUOTE=Debut Album;230305]Abram is a good competitor but Kenny? well he's Fresh Meat so whatever he does is irrelevant.Look we can sit here and argue the details. But the fact is that Carley Beat Laurel it doesn't matter if Landon dragged her *** there. CARLEY BEAT LAUREL so she's not as good as she thinks she is period. And also I agree with you about how the castmembers now take these challenges very seriously. It's one thing I liked about the older challenges.Back then the castmembers didn't act like it was a life and death situation and didn't go crazy or cry if they lost. I do remember Ace back on BOTS 2 saying next challenge he's gonna go home 3rd.[/QUOTE] Well of course you have your opinion..... but there is one flaw that I don't understand. Laurel and Kenny won about 4-5 missions, does that mean that Laurel beat Carley 4-5 times, beat Ev, beat Jillian, Jenn and all the other girls? According to your argument....she did.... she beat some good competitors 4-5 times

[QUOTE=AJHill;230376]Even if Kenny and Laurel did shut down, I'm sure they didn't want to spend more time climbing that mountain than they needed to. Even if seeing they lost caused them to slow down 1/5th of the speed they were moving at (and even if you're dragging ***, you're probably not going as slow as 1/5th speed), that means at full speed, they still finish 4 minutes behind Landon/Carley, which is 2 whole minutes on top of the head start. Yes, no one will ever [I]really[/I] know what happened, but I think Landon and Carley take the final, head start or no head start.[/QUOTE] Can't we just put this argument to rest? IMO, it's ridiculous to go into details. I like Laurel, and I liked Laurel and Kenny as a team, I didn't like Carley, but I liked Landon. I'd never say Carley is stronger than Laurel, HOWEVER, based on the final of FM2, Landon and Carley did better than Kenny and Laurel: they won, and that's just facts. 'What if's" are really useless, and going into fractions and possible details, to me is just unnecessary.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;230388]I asked Ivory about that on twitter. She said production never told them that and she had never heard that rumor before. I believe that's a rumor. I mean what's the difference between someone who didn't get on the RV but was actually on the season and someone who just stumbled onto the beach to play a few games they had already seen on tv or someone who comes out of nowhere and is partnered up with alumni? Hhaha, I just don't see the reason why they haven't been asked unless they think they weren't that interesting. I definitely thought Ivory was interesting enough.[/QUOTE] It should have been assumed that if you didn't make it onto the RV, you weren't really on the season as a castmember. She didn't make it on and therefore shouldn't be allowed on challenges. ****, even if that LaMonte guy was on a challenge I'd be mad since he didn't even do anything but beat Dan in a puzzle and won money and a car to make it on. Not only that, but she never even made it into a face off. She didn't do anything but like 2 or 3 pit stops, which in my opinion is not near enough to garner a future appearance on a challenge.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;230388]I asked Ivory about that on twitter. She said production never told them that and she had never heard that rumor before. I believe that's a rumor. I mean what's the difference between someone who didn't get on the RV but was actually on the season and someone who just stumbled onto the beach to play a few games they had already seen on tv or someone who comes out of nowhere and is partnered up with alumni? Hhaha, I just don't see the reason why they haven't been asked unless they think they weren't that interesting. I definitely thought Ivory was interesting enough.[/QUOTE] David said that was the case.

[QUOTE=Superboy;230395]David said that was the case.[/QUOTE] Yea... his credibility has always been a sure thing. Haha. Let's just all shut up and admit it- it doesn't matter if they made it onto the RV or not, there's no difference between them, a fresh meater, or a spring breaker. It's dumb.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;230397]Yea... his credibility has always been a sure thing. Haha. Let's just all shut up and admit it- it doesn't matter if they made it onto the RV or not, there's no difference between them, a fresh meater, or a spring breaker. It's dumb.[/QUOTE] Then why is it that all of the pit crew that didn't make it on the RV haven't done a challenge, and those who did(Dan,Tori,Angel, Derek, and David would of if he didn't leak spoliers) have done challenges? Because they are NOT Road Rulers, they didn't make it on the RV, thats it.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;230393]Can't we just put this argument to rest? IMO, it's ridiculous to go into details. I like Laurel, and I liked Laurel and Kenny as a team, I didn't like Carley, but I liked Landon. I'd never say Carley is stronger than Laurel, HOWEVER, based on the final of FM2, Landon and Carley did better than Kenny and Laurel: they won, and that's just facts. 'What if's" are really useless, and going into fractions and possible details, to me is just unnecessary.[/QUOTE] I wasn't the one that started with the what ifs, I was the one who said that Landon and Carley would have won either way. Somebody else started with the theoretical what would have happened if not for the head start. All I did was point out how unlikely it would have been for the outcome to be any different at the end.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;230329]It is VERY fair to say that Carley Beat Laurel because it's the truth. I understand what you're saying but team or not it doesn't matter. Carley beat Laurel, Landon beat Kenny, and Nehemiah beat CT,. Yeah it was a team effort but that doesn't detract from those statements.[/QUOTE] True, on paper, on FM2, Carley did beat Laurel, but that's like saying Kobe Bryant beat the Celtics when really, the Lakers beat the Celtics. Kobe Bryant was a part of the winning team. Yes Carley got 1st place and Laurel got 2nd and saying that is true but there is more to the story then just that.

[QUOTE=faceless;230410]True, on paper, on FM2, Carley did beat Laurel, but that's like saying Kobe Bryant beat the Celtics when really, [B]the Lakers[/B] beat the Celtics. Kobe Bryant was a part of the winning team. Yes Carley got 1st place and Laurel got 2nd and saying that is true but there is more to the story then just that.[/QUOTE] I think you mean the refs. No, I'm not bitter.

[QUOTE=AJHill;230413]I think you mean the refs. No, I'm not bitter.[/QUOTE] Just an example. I'm not happy bout it either.

In my opinion...if you were to take a poll to ask viewers (who have watched every challenge) what some of their favorite challenges were, I highly doubt any of the past 7 or 8 challenges would be on the top of their list. There's a reason for that. It's not that BMP has made drastic changes in the challenge format. If anything, I actually think they've done a better job with more competitive infernos/duels/pits. It makes watching the battle that much interesting. Even bumping up each episode to an hour instead of 30 min isn't that bad. (Altho I do prefer the shorter episode format) What the main problem seems to be is CASTING and EDITING What made the older challenges so great is that you had a bunch of people who were there to play the game, that had great chemistry with one another. They didn't always need to get crazy drunk to have a good time. To me, no one after The Duel really interested me. No one grabbed my attention and made me want to root for them. I really hate that the challenges have become focused on people like Evan/Kenny/Johnny. They aren't funny, nor are they mature. They all seem to have a sense of entitlement which bugs me to no end. Hopefully BMP can look back on some of their older seasons, and try to re-create that nostalgic feel for future seasons. That being said, my favorite challenges were BOTsexes 1, The Inferno and The Gauntlet.

I think since some people know an unhealthy amount about the Challenges, they are not the demographic that best gauges success or failure since maybe their brand loyalty would skew what they think those who are less loyal would want. That said, with so much social media avenues open to them, RW/RR alums are no longer chained to BMP to keep their reality careers going and fans are no longer chained to the Challenges. The series suffers from trying to split the difference between reality drama and competition in a not very creative way IMO.

well when it comes down to it, all bmp cares about it making money and getting ratings. But when it comes to TRUE fans of the challenges, they know **** when they see it. And I'll tell you, recent challenges have been ****.

[QUOTE=l3ite_me1313;230438]well when it comes down to it, all bmp cares about it making money and getting ratings. But when it comes to TRUE fans of the challenges, they know **** when they see it. And I'll tell you, recent challenges have been ****.[/QUOTE] Didn't say they weren't **** as TV. Demanding/difficult challenges do not always make for the best TV. For BMP, it is more important to make money than get good ratings IMO due to the old Law of Diminishing Returns. To me, the Challenges were never more than an extra quick cash part-time job for BMP between TRW seasons.

Idk why people think that the challenges are supposebly running on thin ice, imo they are still very entertaining to watch and now my little brothers and sisters are getting to see understand and want to watch them which makes me realize that a new generation is already here and we need to get used to it. I'm not saying we should just get a whole bunch of new people and no good vets, but we do need a good mix between vets and rookies like on CutThroat...without the secret voting ****.

[QUOTE=JayTee;230441]Idk why people think that the challenges are supposebly running on thin ice, imo they are still very entertaining to watch and now my little brothers and sisters are getting to see understand and want to watch them which makes me realize that a new generation is already here and we need to get used to it. I'm not saying we should just get a whole bunch of new people and no good vets, but we do need a good mix between vets and rookies like on CutThroat...[B]without the secret voting **********] I like the secret voting because then people get paranoid as to who is voting for who. The thing I didn't really like about it was the deliberation right before the voting. I think it would have been better had they gone straight from the challenge to the voting.

[QUOTE=fabulous788;230444]I like the secret voting because then people get paranoid as to who is voting for who. The thing I didn't really like about it was the deliberation right before the voting. I think it would have been better had they gone straight from the challenge to the voting.[/QUOTE] but with secret voting it's like the same people are gonna vote for the same guy/girl and that victim doesn't have a good idea of all the parties involved in sending them in an elimination. I think they should have a "dead last loser" like in ILM every now and then in a challenge so that the person who performs the worst is automatically thrown in an elimination round as a twist. They shouldn't do it for a whole challenge, but like throw it in there in the middle or end.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;230394]It should have been assumed that if you didn't make it onto the RV, you weren't really on the season as a castmember. She didn't make it on and therefore shouldn't be allowed on challenges. ****, even if that LaMonte guy was on a challenge I'd be mad since he didn't even do anything but beat Dan in a puzzle and won money and a car to make it on. Not only that, but she never even made it into a face off. She didn't do anything but like 2 or 3 pit stops, which in my opinion is not near enough to garner a future appearance on a challenge.[/QUOTE] You're right. It makes more sense for people who were never on an original season to be put onto the show, despite whether they fit on an RV or not. I would gladly except a girl who participated in a spring break game over 6 people who were introduced on a casting special and we got to see compete 3 or 4 times throughtout a season. I'm actually done arguing about it. Pit Crew will never be on the challenge. Fine. I'm over it.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;230346]Or maybe you all can just leave it alone and let me think what I like. I'm not gonna change what I think.[/QUOTE] It also doesn't make your opinion or point-of-view a fact, so you being so insistent that you're right doesn't actually mean that you are. It was a TEAM/PARTNERED challenge, so you cannot make an educated guess. It's all speculation. Put them side by side and obviously, Laurel would destroy Carley. Carley had Landon with her and she wasn't on her own. Saying Carley beat Laurel is also like saying Carley beat Kenny when that's not accurate either. But again, you're entitled to your opinion.

[QUOTE=l3ite_me1313;230435]In my opinion...if you were to take a poll to ask viewers (who have watched every challenge) what some of their favorite challenges were, I highly doubt any of the past 7 or 8 challenges would be on the top of their list. There's a reason for that. It's not that BMP has made drastic changes in the challenge format. If anything, I actually think they've done a better job with more competitive infernos/duels/pits. It makes watching the battle that much interesting. Even bumping up each episode to an hour instead of 30 min isn't that bad. (Altho I do prefer the shorter episode format) What the main problem seems to be is CASTING and EDITING What made the older challenges so great is that you had a bunch of people who were there to play the game, that had great chemistry with one another. They didn't always need to get crazy drunk to have a good time. To me, no one after The Duel really interested me. No one grabbed my attention and made me want to root for them. I really hate that the challenges have become focused on people like Evan/Kenny/Johnny. They aren't funny, nor are they mature. They all seem to have a sense of entitlement which bugs me to no end. Hopefully BMP can look back on some of their older seasons, and try to re-create that nostalgic feel for future seasons. That being said, my favorite challenges were BOTsexes 1, The Inferno and The Gauntlet.[/QUOTE] I actually agree with this statement whole heartedly. The first few challenges will always be the best, in my opinion. I think that goes for movies too. The first one is usually the best, and the sequels become increasingly worse. Although, I did enjoy The Inferno II better than BOTS2. As for the secret voting, I really liked the premise. I do enjoy watching people getting more paranoid than they already are. Although people already kind of knew who they were targeting, I think this could really impact the game. Remember the secret 1,2,3 voting ballet on The Gauntlet 1? imagine if they had to do a secret vote, instead of writing 3 people down.

It is probably well past time to move on... before Bacchus unleashes Zeus. Zeus has been known to be unforgiving and has no sympathy for humans.

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