The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

Road Rules would still dominate. Bring back Theo and Dan(RR5) and it's over. Yes the Road Rulers are older but Mark was in his early 30's and posted the highest score on BOTS 1, and Timmy was 32 on the Inferno 1 and was Road Rules best competitor.

[QUOTE=molds13;222565]Landon stated in his blog that they had to wait 20-25 minutes for Kenny and Laurel to finish.[/QUOTE] What's his blog name?

[QUOTE=EPluribusUnum;222687]What's his blog name?[/QUOTE] [url=http://landonlueck.blogspot.com/]Landon Lueck[/url]

Thank you, Molds :)

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;222679]I wouldn't want a Duel format for an ultimate final challenge. The Duel is boring... school yard pick, than the last picked picks whoever they want yada yada yada... it just bored me. I like teams. I like when someone is thrown in and they hate it. I like when they have fire in their stomach and animosity towards their team. In an individual challenge you have no one to blame but yourself.[/QUOTE] I can see how you think the picking might be boring, but I think the individual format still is interesting--it's most "fair", which I think is why a lot of people wan to see it. If they got rid of "the list", it would be a lot better. They could also change it so that the winner picks one person who definitely goes in, and then they do picking and the last person left also goes in. Or something else entirely. But it also has the element of going in and hating it, i.e. on the Duel 1 when Svetlana and Aneesa went in every time.

Casual observation: G3 was a big one, simply for the fact that the final changed the way viewers would later few certain cast members. If Easy hadn't [strike]of[/strike] have been on the team at the end, we'd see Paula, Robin, and CT with wins. Three players with not so great records. I wonder how that would change the opinion of them now or if they (namely Paula) would still be doing the shows.

[QUOTE=llcooljonas;222717]Casual observation: G3 was a big one, simply for the fact that the final changed the way viewers would later few certain cast members. If Easy hadn't [strike]of[/strike] have been on the team at the end, we'd see Paula, Robin, and CT with wins. Three players with not so great records. I wonder how that would change the opinion of them now or if they (namely Paula) would still be doing the shows.[/QUOTE] This is entirely true. I'm not sure there's any other challenge in which the "winning" team deserved the win any less. The Rookies only won by default. Don't forget to include Diem in that--she would have been a Champion on The Ruins.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;222719]This is entirely true. I'm not sure there's any other challenge in which the "winning" team deserved the win any less. The Rookies only won by default. Don't forget to include Diem in that--she would have been a Champion on The Ruins.[/QUOTE] That's true. I forgot about Diem. It wouldn't have changed much for Evelyn, Kenny and Evan, but I can see it definitely affecting the girls on the challenge, as well as Frank & Jillian, Johanna and Tori. I wonder if that bothers Easy at all to consider his decision affected others so negatively.

[QUOTE=llcooljonas;222724]That's true. I forgot about Diem. It wouldn't have changed much for Evelyn, Kenny and Evan, but I can see it definitely affecting the girls on the challenge, as well as Frank & Jillian, Johanna and Tori. I wonder if that bothers Easy at all to consider his decision affected others so negatively.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what bothers me more--that the Vets, who in my mind deserved the win, were denied it, or that players like Johanna, Tori and Rachel "won". Tbh, it wasn't much of a decision on Easy's part...was he supposed to just tell them all he had terrible cardio, especially when he wasn't a liability on the missions? Voluntarily put himself in a Gauntlet to get sent home? Or do you just mean the general decision to not be in as good shape as he could be, and then mislead everyone about it?

[QUOTE=llcooljonas;222717]Casual observation: G3 was a big one, simply for the fact that the final changed the way viewers would later few certain cast members. If Easy hadn't [strike]of[/strike] have been on the team at the end, we'd see Paula, Robin, and CT with wins. Three players with not so great records. I wonder how that would change the opinion of them now or if they (namely Paula) would still be doing the shows.[/QUOTE] And what about Brad! He has a win too if not for Big Easy's collapse. He would have been a Champion on the Ruins and probably won again, wouldn't have gotten into that fight with Darrell since they would be on the same team, and probably after winning two Challenges, he wouldn't have gone on Cutthroat. That Big Easy Gauntlet 3 collapse might be the biggest ever Challenge "What if...?" ever. Brad, CT, Paula, and Robin all would have had a win.

[QUOTE=kw713;222674]RW v RR v FM... Don't you think Fresh Meat would kill the other 2 teams especially if they could get Kenny, Evan, Evelyn & Laurel to name a few[/QUOTE] Kenny is equivalent a Brandon. Maybe a little tougher just because of his wrestling background, but he's no where near a threat. Evan is nothing compared to the top three Real Worlders; CT, Alton, Landon. Now the Fresh Meat girls might be a little on the better side because of Evelyn, but still there are some decent Real World girls. Emily, Sarah, Kelly Anne. Evan is probably better than every Road Rules guy, he's the only one that would beat; Derrick, Abe, Theo, Mark. I'd say Road Rules girls match up pretty well against Fresh Meat. Tori and Rachel would most likely take care of Evelyn and Laurel. Road Rule girls have top girls, then back ups; Jodi, Kina, Susie, Veronica, Tina. Real World girls have many decent girls including, the ones I've stated, and Coral, Beth(yes she is a threat), Jenn, Annesa, Ruthie. Fresh Meat have two dominate girls, that's it, one power house guy. No they would not Kill the other two teams. In fact, if they casted a majority of the people I listed from Real World and Road Rules, Fresh Meat would get destroyed.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;222728]I'm not sure what bothers me more--that the Vets, who in my mind deserved the win, were denied it, or that players like Johanna, Tori and Rachel "won". Tbh, it wasn't much of a decision on Easy's part...was he supposed to just tell them all he had terrible cardio, especially when he wasn't a liability on the missions? Voluntarily put himself in a Gauntlet to get sent home? Or do you just mean the general decision to not be in as good shape as he could be, and then mislead everyone about it?[/QUOTE] For me, I think it's the latter. That the rookies, who didn't deserve the win and had been smoked throughout it won, particularly Frank & Jillian and I like Johanna, but she didn't deserve the win either. I meant the general decision to mislead his team into thinking he was in any kind of shape. All he did was party. I remember someone stating they'd tried to get him to work out or go running, too, but all he wanted to do was hang out and have fun. That attitude cost them the win, I think.

If Paula won G3 she would still be on the shows. If Robin didn't have a baby she would still be doing the shows. I actually don't like Johanna, but she did make it to the end and she won. fare and square. No one is more deserving than the rest. I would have liked to see Diem win over Paula, but it doesn't mean she deserves it more. Regardless if it was by a fluke, a win is a win. Now lets stop debating on who is most deserving.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;222740]Kenny is equivalent a Brandon. Maybe a little tougher just because of his wrestling background, but he's no where near a threat. Evan is nothing compared to the top three Real Worlders; CT, Alton, Landon. Now the Fresh Meat girls might be a little on the better side because of Evelyn, but still there are some decent Real World girls. Emily, Sarah, Kelly Anne. Evan is probably better than every Road Rules guy, he's the only one that would beat; Derrick, Abe, Theo, Mark. I'd say Road Rules girls match up pretty well against Fresh Meat. Tori and Rachel would most likely take care of Evelyn and Laurel. Road Rule girls have top girls, then back ups; Jodi, Kina, Susie, Veronica, Tina. Real World girls have many decent girls including, the ones I've stated, and Coral, Beth(yes she is a threat), Jenn, Annesa, Ruthie. Fresh Meat have two dominate girls, that's it, one power house guy. No they would not Kill the other two teams. In fact, if they casted a majority of the people I listed from Real World and Road Rules, Fresh Meat would get destroyed.[/QUOTE] Couldn't Darrel beat Evan? If so, there's another RRer that could be added to the males.

[QUOTE=SPK713;222763]Couldn't Darrel beat Evan? If so, there's another RRer that could be added to the males.[/QUOTE] Yes, and so could Theo who is a better athlete and better overall.

[QUOTE=SPK713;222763][B]Couldn't Darrel beat Evan?[/B] If so, there's another RRer that could be added to the males.[/QUOTE] And so could Abe and Mark IMO. Derrick would probably give Evan a run for his money in most things, but I think Evan would beat Derrick in most of those things as well. In a game like ascender or any game that's a toss up, Derrick could beat Evan just like anybody could beat anybody.

Evan has yet to beat a top competitor, not to mention he always gets flustered during a elimination round. If he were to go up against a top competitor(that's not CT), wouldn't be surprised at all if he lost assuming the event.

[QUOTE=Superboy;222767]Evan has yet to beat a top competitor, not to mention he always gets flustered during a elimination round. If he were to go up against a top competitor[B](that's not CT),[/B] wouldn't be surprised at all if he lost assuming the event.[/QUOTE] CT destroyed Evan on a puzzle despite Evan trying to cheat.

I've always thought eliminations should have at least one (or maybe even 2) puzzles. And I mean actual puzzles, not that lame **** on the Duel 2. AND if you're gonna have puzzles, then pretty much everyone becomes vulnerable.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;222766]And so could Abe and Mark IMO. Derrick would probably give Evan a run for his money in most things, but I think Evan would beat Derrick in most of those things as well. In a game like ascender or any game that's a toss up, Derrick could beat Evan just like anybody could beat anybody.[/QUOTE] In something physical, Evan will beat all the Road Rulers. Mark would be the only one to match up with him.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;222768]CT destroyed Evan on a puzzle despite Evan trying to cheat.[/QUOTE] I know that, i excluded him because of that. [QUOTE] In something physical, Evan will beat all the Road Rulers. Mark would be the only one to match up with him [/QUOTE] He would beat Derrick......but Darrell would beat him, and possibly Theo and Abram. Theo is a workout freak like Mark and is roughly the same size as Evan.

[QUOTE=Superboy;222767]Evan has yet to beat a top competitor, not to mention he always gets flustered during a elimination round. If he were to go up against a top competitor(that's not CT), wouldn't be surprised at all if he lost assuming the event.[/QUOTE] Don't you get tired of downplaying Evan, who got flustered in 1 elimination out of about 3 or 4? He won a good bit, he lost some, give him his credit due and move on. He was flustered in one, he was totally calm in most. Get over it. [QUOTE=r3iKo;222771]In something physical, Evan will beat all the Road Rulers. Mark would be the only one to match up with him.[/QUOTE] I think Evan is pretty good. I think he's on par with some top competitors like Derrick and Abram, and even Mark. I'd be really interested to see him go against Darrell though. That I'd watch.... with popcorn.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;222771]In something physical, Evan will beat all the Road Rulers. Mark would be the only one to match up with him.[/QUOTE] I doubt that. I think it's pretty easy to look at the size of a competitor and conclude: "He can beat him, he can't beat him." Evan is ofcourse a great competitor, but he has never been in an elimination round with any physical contact: Duel: lost to CT on the puzzle Gauntlet 3: beat Johnny on a puzzle Duel 2: won 3 Duels. He beat Nehemiah on the Elevator, and beat Davis and MJ on Spot on. Spot on was slightly physical(not so much), but Evan has never won in a wrestle/push/tackling elimination round. I think in something like Handcuffs, Pole Wrestle or Beach Brawl a lot of players might beat him. For instance, Derrick would be my favourite hands down on each of these elimination rounds against Evan.

[QUOTE]Don't you get tired of downplaying Evan, [B]who got flustered in 1 elimination out of about 3 or 4?[/B] He won a good bit, he lost some, give him his credit due and move on. He was flustered in one, he was totally calm in most. Get over it. [/QUOTE] No, see his first two Duels on the Duel 2. [QUOTE]I think Evan is pretty good. I think he's on par with some top competitors like Derrick and Abram, [B]and even Mark[/B]. I'd be really interested to see him go against Darrell though. That I'd watch.... with popcorn.[/QUOTE] He wasn't on par with Mark on the Duel 2, at least in the missions, and definately isn't on par with Mark all time. Mark in his prime(first challenge to BOTS 1) would pwnd Evan.

[QUOTE=Superboy;222776] He wasn't on par with Mark on the Duel 2, at least in the missions, and definately [B]i[/B][B]sn't on par with Mark all time[/B]. Mark in his prime(first challenge to BOTS 1) would pwnd Evan.[/QUOTE] Here I agree with you. I think Evan is good, but if we compare him to some of the legends [B]IN THEIR PRIME[/B] I don't think he'd be on par with some of them. Derrick is basically one of the Kings of one on one, contact elimination rounds, and I personally think there aren't much people who can beat him on that, but I do think Evan can beat him in a lot of other elimination rounds. Evan in elimination rounds- still needs to prove he can do contact eliminations, but in terms of athletic ability and brains (and tricks) from what we've seen so far, he's pretty good.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;222778][B]Derrick is basically one of the Kings of one on one, contact elimination rounds, and I personally think there aren't much people who can beat him on that[/B], but I do think Evan can beat him in a lot of other elimination rounds. Evan in elimination rounds- still needs to prove he can do contact eliminations, but in terms of athletic ability and brains (and tricks) from what we've seen so far, he's pretty good.[/QUOTE] Timmy and Wes beat him. And there are plenty of others who would. Derrick's greatest strength is getting under his opponents, without that, he is very beatable to people like Darrell, CT, Alton, Landon, Evan and etc... in a physical event. Derrick is still a top competitor though.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;222781]I Disagree The Vets deserved to lose that challenge. They didn't get rid of Eric like they should have and then the whole "trimming the fat" BS that they tried to pull. Coral was right to just leave the challenge. I was so happy when the Vets lost.[/QUOTE] The sucky thing is, because of the rules for that particular challenge, the vets lost. However, if the rules for the final had been different, like The Gauntlet, where you could leave a downed member and cost ten minutes, the Vets would have absolutely smoked the Rookies, no questions asked. They would have probably ditched Easy early on.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;222781]I Disagree The Vets deserved to lose that challenge. They didn't get rid of Eric like they should have and then the whole "trimming the fat" BS that they tried to pull. Coral was right to just leave the challenge. I was so happy when the Vets lost.[/QUOTE] I agree, the veteran males in particular played a ruthless '*******' game, and while they didn't fall to their own machinations, they lost despite them. That was the lone bright spot of that challenge for me, although slightly bittersweet because I couldn't bring myself to cheer for that miserable rookie team either, I would have preferred the money being awarded to charity at that point.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;222781]I Disagree The Vets deserved to lose that challenge. They didn't get rid of Eric like they should have and then the whole "trimming the fat" BS that they tried to pull. Coral was right to just leave the challenge. I was so happy when the Vets lost.[/QUOTE]Johnny basically told the Vets exactly what was going to happen if they didn't throw Eric in and they still threw him in, so I would say the Vets beat themselves. I still think they were 100000x better than the Rooks and should have won.