Cutthroat: Real World/ Road Rules Challenge - Speculation (Spoilers)

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;218350]What's with all of this talk of Tyler not being a leader ??? I mean the guy took out Johnny and DERRICK... that's way more than even Brad can say on this challenge. I don't think he's as good as Derrick, Abram, Johnny, or Brad overall ... not even close but the guy stepped it up big on this challenge it seems and so far he's been a lot more tolerable than the past seasons he's been on.[/QUOTE] He had CT's help taking out Johnny, he really didn't take him out as much as CT did. But still, we have to see the circumstances of both the Gulag's before really knowing how well Tyler did. But based on the past, there's no way I woukd've looked at him as a leader either.

[QUOTE=Darock1713;218272]I don't accept and do not believe that Tyler beat Derrick, unless he DQed or fell lame. I hope the vevmo gods to be aren't pulling a ruse on us all. [B]I still believe Abram vs Derrick will be the last gulag until shown otherwise. This is strictly my opinion. I don't see Abram speaking that high of Derrick if he legitimately lost to Tyler. This sounds like someone that was pushed to their limit and was very respectful of the fight ........................ ala Derrick vs Wes[/B] Also from what I saw, Ty just quit. He had that kid beat and just flat out quit. It's pretty sad that he didn't care enough to dig a little deeper.[/QUOTE] I agree that is what it SEEMS, but Molds and her "sources" said that it was Derrick vs. Tyler and not Abe. Also, in Derrick's podcast Derrick, Kenny, and Mark had a draft and Derrick picked Tyler for his team and defended Tyler a little when Mark and Kenny cracked a couple of jokes about what Tyler would be good at in an elimination round, I wonder why Derrick would do that ?? Probably because he lost to Tyler.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;218362]He had CT's help taking out Johnny, he really didn't take him out as much as CT did. But still, we have to see the circumstances of both the Gulag's before really knowing how well Tyler did. But based on the past, there's no way I woukd've looked at him as a leader either.[/QUOTE] Technically, Tyler took out Johnny. He posted a better time vs. CT than Johnny did even though CT probably went a lot harder on Johnny, still Tyler got the W.

I think Paula may be cutting her own throat by putting in Melinda over Camila next week....just think Camila may have beaten Emily...Then lose against Laurel and then they could have sen in Melinda in the last elimination, or possibly won the lat female challenge since there would be 3 girls.....hmmm the what if's do not good I guess. Poor Melinda, she should have at least outlasted Camila and Paula imho.

Derrick, Brad, Johnny, and Abram are "top" dogs. But, most of the people on this challenge are newbies, and that's okay in my book because that's how you eventually get top dogs.. You have to prove yourself first, right? I strongly believe that in the next challenge Brandon is on, he'll be much more respected. Brandon in Cutthroat is like Derrick in Gauntlet 2.

Brandon should definitely be respected in the next challenge he's on.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;218357]So Brad says he's gonna consider Camila's ability from now on while voting, which we can figure true because she doesn't go in next week. Yet Brandon does just as well, and he still gets sent in? Guess Brad doesn't have to worry because he's not a girl. And I'm not sure how good of friends he is with Melinda and Paula, but it'd be interesting to see what happens next week. Unless of course Brandon and Melinda hold the team back next week.[/QUOTE] [strike]yea also today brandon did bad on the challenge and almost lost the gulag amazing. has camilia screwed up anything beside likingv johnny?[/strike] Yeah, also today Brandon did bad on the challenge and almost lost the gulag amazing. Has Camila screwed up anything besides liking Johnny?

[QUOTE=molds13;218363]From the previews I saw during the trailers, Brandon appeared to be struggling during this next challenge.[/QUOTE] Ah, then that would make up for them voting him in again. Can't keep someone who keeps screwing up missions around too long, even if they are an overall good competitor. [QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;218367]Technically, Tyler took out Johnny. He posted a better time vs. CT than Johnny did even though CT probably went a lot harder on Johnny, still Tyler got the W.[/QUOTE] It's been said CT makes Johnny look like a fool, and with CT being as massive and dominant as he is, I think it's safe to say CT "decided" who he wanted to go home and it was obvious who his decision was gonna be. Yeah Tyler still got the win, but had it been Tyler vs. Johnny with no CT involved, who knows how it would've went down. Or had somebody else been in CT's place, things could've happened differently. Alright, Tyler got the win, but I'd put that in the category of Svetlana beating Beth and Brad beating CT, they didn't single-handedly beat them without the help of an outside factor, Svetlana and Brad's being a weak clip, and Tyler's being CT.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;218403]Ah, then that would make up for them voting him in again. Can't keep someone who keeps screwing up missions around too long, even if they are an overall good competitor. It's been said CT makes Johnny look like a fool, and with CT being as massive and dominant as he is, I think it's safe to say CT "decided" who he wanted to go home and it was obvious who his decision was gonna be. Yeah Tyler still got the win, but had it been Tyler vs. Johnny with no CT involved, who knows how it would've went down. Or had somebody else been in CT's place, things could've happened differently. Alright, Tyler got the win, but I'd put that in the category of Svetlana beating Beth and Brad beating CT, they didn't single-handedly beat them without the help of an outside factor, Svetlana and Brad's being a weak clip, and Tyler's being CT.[/QUOTE] Yeah brandon's doing good but he still has some time to get better. Not knowing how to swim will hurt him if there's water in the last mission. But it's his second challenge, he has more to go and hopefully next challenge he'll be an individual (such as a duel) or on a better team.. As for the CT humiliating johnny, I don't know. Someone (I think molds, not sure) said that brandon was going to embarrass ty but he didn't. Ty was going to win, he just gave up on himself. I'm still confused on that. But We will see how things play out.

Watching the sneak peak for next week, I don't think Tori is overreacting. Melinda is going into the Gulag next episode so it means red team gave Camila "a break". Brad is mad no matter he got sent into the gulag or not because he obviously defended Camila and sent in Melinda (probably Tori did, too). Even though I'm kinda surprised if Tori did send in Melinda (aren't they best friends or sth like that). I mean, of course they felt betrayed. Not that it's wrong to vote for Brad, or tell him. It's more like ... dumb.

[QUOTE=iWONDER;218442]Yeah brandon's doing good but he still has some time to get better. Not knowing how to swim will hurt him if there's water in the last mission. But it's his second challenge, he has more to go and hopefully next challenge he'll be an individual (such as a duel) or on a better team.. As for the CT humiliating johnny, I don't know. Someone (I think molds, not sure) said that brandon was going to embarrass ty but he didn't. Ty was going to win, he just gave up on himself. I'm still confused on that. But We will see how things play out.[/QUOTE] Well while I agree he has time to get better, and I'm sure he will, he does know how to swim. On the King of the Wall mission on FM2 he did a perfect dive into the water, and swam fine to the wall. He seemed to only cramp up on this mission. And Ty still was embarrassed, just not actually by Brandon. Like Molds said, she only heard that from one source, but she heard CT crushed Johnny from numerous sources.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;218477]Well while I agree he has time to get better, and I'm sure he will, he does know how to swim. On the King of the Wall mission on FM2 he did a perfect dive into the water, and swam fine to the wall. He seemed to only cramp up on this mission. And Ty still was embarrassed, just not actually by Brandon. Like Molds said, she only heard that from one source, but she heard CT crushed Johnny from numerous sources.[/QUOTE] I forgot about his performance on FM2. I guess because he and katelynn didn't stand out much it left my mind. So I guess it was cramping. And I agree with ty being embarrassed but not by brandon. But i really wish brandon would've won legitimately. Nonetheless he's doing good and I hope to see him win a future challenge. And the CT humiliating johnny I'm awaiting for that. Not because I dislike johnny (I like JB) but just to see and hear his reaction to a loss.

[QUOTE=Hamahami;218456]Watching the sneak peak for next week, I don't think Tori is overreacting. Melinda is going into the Gulag next episode so it means red team gave Camila "a break". Brad is mad no matter he got sent into the gulag or not because he obviously defended Camila and sent in Melinda (probably Tori did, too). Even though I'm kinda surprised if Tori did send in Melinda (aren't they best friends or sth like that). I mean, of course they felt betrayed. Not that it's wrong to vote for Brad, or tell him. It's more like ... dumb.[/QUOTE] I did think what Camila did was not very smart, but I also think Tori was wayyyyyyyy out of line. News Flash, Brad's not a god. So one person voted for him, what gives you and Paula the right to say that. Especially you Paula, doesn't being screwed over by Bananas so many times thinking you're so high make you humble yourself??? That comment was unnecessary, and Tori is acting like she's the queen bee, I should re-watch The Duel 2 when Aneesa beat her. I want to see her lose on another challenge. She irks me. Now I'm upset that Camila goes home the week after, but still happy to know Paula is going home, and Chet (though I wish he didn't get hurt). Honestly, so far, I'd rather dumb Johnny Bananas and Derrick taking the win than these wanna-be top dogs.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;218561]I did think what Camila did was not very smart, but I also think Tori was wayyyyyyyy out of line. News Flash, Brad's not a god. So one person voted for him, what gives you and Paula the right to say that. Especially you Paula, doesn't being screwed over by Bananas so many times thinking you're so high make you humble yourself??? That comment was unnecessary, and Tori is acting like she's the queen bee, I should re-watch The Duel 2 when Aneesa beat her. I want to see her lose on another challenge. She irks me. Now I'm upset that Camila goes home the week after, but still happy to know Paula is going home, and Chet (though I wish he didn't get hurt). Honestly, so far, I'd rather dumb Johnny Bananas and Derrick taking the win than these wanna-be top dogs.[/QUOTE] ITA. Brad is a whiny baby. Wow, somebody votes for him once and now he has to cry about it to his wife. What about the last 2 times that he voted in Camila not based on performance, but PERSONAL reasons?! Tori and Brad are nauseating.

[QUOTE=2xWoot;218376]Derrick, Brad, Johnny, and Abram are "top" dogs. But, most of the people on this challenge are newbies, and that's okay in my book because that's how you eventually get top dogs.. You have to prove yourself first, right? I strongly believe that in the next challenge Brandon is on, he'll be much more respected. Brandon in Cutthroat is like Derrick in Gauntlet 2.[/QUOTE] Brad isn't a top dog. HE is at best mediocre. That's why he would prefer to send Brandon in 4x. He just proved this challenge that he isn't as clean as he has had all of you to believe for the past several years. Tyler made me laugh last night when he declared himself a co-leader of the Red team, but when you look at it .... he's right. Tyler and Tori's team. Can't believe Tori this season, but still at least she is strong enough to kick butt when she has to. More than I can say for Brad. Nevertheless, Tyler isn't that good. In 3 or 4 weeks, when the last male gulag occurs, if it's Tyler taking out Derrick legitimately ...................... [B][U]I'll get on my knees, kiss the feet of the vevmo gods, them them that they're the greatest and catch the next jet out of the country. And I will not return to the United States for 30 days, and that's final![/U][/B]

I think Brad and Tori got "ridiculously" mad is because they might vote for Melinda instead of Camila. It's kinda like ... you send in one of your "friends" to give somebody you just know a break, then find out she went against you and voted you in. I think they feel the betrayal more than going to the gulag itself. I don't know what Paula had to do with this, she didn't have to get involved. But if I were Tori, I would be a little bit overreacting too ... c'mon, it's your husband. People will take it personal.

[QUOTE=Darock1713;218565]Brad isn't a top dog. HE is at best mediocre. That's why he would prefer to send Brandon in 4x. He just proved this challenge that he isn't as clean as he has had all of you to believe for the past several years. Tyler made me laugh last night when he declared himself a co-leader of the Red team, but when you look at it .... he's right. Tyler and Tori's team. Can't believe Tori this season, but still at least she is strong enough to kick butt when she has to. More than I can say for Brad. Nevertheless, Tyler isn't that good. In 3 or 4 weeks, when the last male gulag occurs, [B]if it's[/B] [B]Tyler taking out Derrick legitimately[/B] ...................... [B][U]I'll get on my knees, kiss the feet of the vevmo gods, them them that they're the greatest and [B]catch the next jet out of the country. [/B][B]And I will not return to the United States [B]for 30 days, and that's final![/B][/B][/U][/QUOTE] Well.... You better start packing ... LOL !!

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;218568]Well.... You better start packing ... LOL !![/QUOTE] Haha I agree...I mean, I'm Derrick's biggest fan but I'm not even trying to defend him that hard regarding him losing to Tyler. Tyler's a good athlete and things happen. Not as bad as Derek losing to Ryan on the Gauntlet 3.

So I was watching one of the trailers for the challenge and theres a clip we talked about with Emily in the Gulag with Melinda wrestling. Looking at it now and knowing the spoilers, I think it might be Paula instead. We know that Emily takes out Paula too. They are doing the Handcuff elimination. Maybe for the last elimination, they get to spin a wheel or something where they have to do a an elimination that has already been done. This is just speculation.

I'm usually Team Brad and Team Tori but Tori needs to get a grip. Seriously. I know Brad hasn't won one of these things yet but she didn't have to go all psycho on Camila.

[QUOTE=molds13;218608]You can definitely see Brandon and 6 other people in the background, so no.[/QUOTE] So Derrick is playing "Cuff Off" or "I got your hand" or whatever it's called with Brandon ?? If so, WOW can't wait !!

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;218609]So Derrick is playing "Cuff Off" or "I got your hand" or whatever it's called with Brandon ?? If so, WOW can't wait !![/QUOTE] Lol, just "HandCuffs", original right? But I agree it's gonna be very entertaining. I wonder why they go back to old Gulag's instead of continuing with new ones. At least it's not Swat or Die Hard though.

So Chet leaves this week via default? I'm sorry if it has already been mentioned, but it's like 400+ pages of a thread o.O

[QUOTE]That's why he would prefer to send Brandon in 4x.[/QUOTE]Not saying that it doesn't benefit Brad, Tyler, and Dunbar to have Brandon go in repeatedly regardless of performance; however, Brandon nailed his gulag coffin shut IMO by messing up in this last Challenge with his very weak swimming skills. Sure they all fell off the board, but they all finished, even Chet after that nasty spill and injuring himself. What if the final challenge includes an arduous swim? Past challenge finals have had at least one. That's what I'd be thinking if my teammate performed that badly in a swimming challenge. Eric did his team in due to practically killing himself with the swim in G3. CT had to drag him in, and Eric never recovered from the fatigue, leading to his collapse. These teams are too tightly matched up to risk possibly carrying/dragging a team member, and it's a risk I wouldn't want to take if I didn't have to.

[QUOTE=Matty;218614]Not saying that it doesn't benefit Brad, Tyler, and Dunbar to have Brandon go in repeatedly regardless of performance; however, Brandon nailed his gulag coffin shut IMO by messing up in this last Challenge with his very weak swimming skills. Sure they all fell off the board, but they all finished, even Chet after that nasty spill and injuring himself. What if the final challenge includes an arduous swim? Past challenge finals have had at least one. That's what I'd be thinking if my teammate performed that badly in a swimming challenge. Eric did his team in due to practically killing himself with the swim in G3. CT had to drag him in, and Eric never recovered from the fatigue, leading to his collapse. These teams are too tightly matched up to risk possibly carrying/dragging a team member, and it's a risk I wouldn't want to take if I didn't have to.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I do get your point, but as someone else mentioned, it's not like Brandon CANNOT swim, he did it on FM2, but I think it's just that he cramped up. Could happen to anyone.... case in point, Brad on The Duel 2 finals. I don't see anyone saying because of a cramp, Brad doesn't deserve to be there or he might mess up the finals. Just my opinion though.

[QUOTE=molds13;218623]If you are too lazy to read through this thread like everyone else has, there is a spoiler thread that sums it up in about 50 posts.[/QUOTE] Now there is the molds13 I've been missing lately! I think there might be an apt "apple falling from tree" analogy here somewhere...

Yeah, Brandon cramped up. If you know how it feels like to randomly cramp up, then you'd understand Brandon's excuse. Regardless, he messed up and he even admitted to it after he was chosen to go in. And I'm not lazy, it's just called [I]not having enough time[/I] to, but thanks. I just read the 46 posts ish thread and it answers my question.