Cutthroat: Real World/ Road Rules Challenge - Speculation (Spoilers)

[QUOTE=2xWoot;218687]Yeah, Brandon cramped up. If you know how it feels like to randomly cramp up, then you'd understand Brandon's excuse. Regardless, he messed up and he even admitted to it after he was chosen to go in. And I'm not lazy, it's just called [I]not having enough time[/I] to, but thanks. I just read the 46 posts ish thread and it answers my question.[/QUOTE] He even admitted it before it was revealed that he was going in, considering he voted himself in lol.

I agree that he messed up and it means he deserved to go in, but disagreed with the post that him cramping up in that challenge automatically meant that he would not do well in a final mission.

[QUOTE]I agree that he messed up and it means he deserved to go in, but disagreed with the post that him cramping up in that challenge automatically meant that he would not do well in a final mission.[/QUOTE] It doesn't automatically mean that. :) Brandon may or may not do well in a final mission involving a tough swim. But why should Red take that risk when they know the other men on their team are already definitely capable? The men on Red are all well-rounded performers. They had no performance superstars nor weak links, up until Brandon in the water. That fairly puts a bigger target on his back, and I think even he realized that as soon as it was over. The problem here is that Brandon's teammates don't know whether he is or isn't capable of such a swim, and the way he (badly) performed did not bode well. The majority of Red already know Brad, Tyler, Dunbar, and Chet's abilities in and out of the water. All most of them know about Brandon's swimming abilities is that he DQ'd and had to be rescued. That could cost them the final if it happened again, and why at this point would they not think it could happen again? Why would they risk it? Just because Tyler and Dunbar didn't perform well in past eliminations (I think Chet did great but was up against Wes) doesn't mean they wouldn't do well in the finals. Many people who did well in eliminations sucked in finals. Even if Brad, Tyler, Dunbar, and Chet aren't powerhouse performers individually, it doesn't matter in the final team challenge where you're only as strong as your weakest link. So it doesn't matter if Brandon has done well in the eliminations and is an awesome person (and I do like him), if he is a potential risk and no one else has shown a weakness yet, it's fair IMO that he stay on the bottom of the gulag totem pole.

[QUOTE=Matty;218772]It doesn't automatically mean that. :) Brandon may or may not do well in a final mission involving a tough swim. But why should Red take that risk when they know the other men on their team are already definitely capable? The men on Red are all well-rounded performers. They had no performance superstars nor weak links, up until Brandon in the water. That fairly puts a bigger target on his back, and I think even he realized that as soon as it was over. The problem here is that Brandon's teammates don't know whether he is or isn't capable of such a swim, and the way he (badly) performed did not bode well. The majority of Red already know Brad, Tyler, Dunbar, and Chet's abilities in and out of the water. All most of them know about Brandon's swimming abilities is that he DQ'd and had to be rescued. That could cost them the final if it happened again, and why at this point would they not think it could happen again? Why would they risk it? Just because Tyler and Dunbar didn't perform well in past eliminations (I think Chet did great but was up against Wes) doesn't mean they wouldn't do well in the finals. Many people who did well in eliminations sucked in finals. Even if Brad, Tyler, Dunbar, and Chet aren't powerhouse performers individually, it doesn't matter in the final team challenge where you're only as strong as your weakest link. So it doesn't matter if Brandon has done well in the eliminations and is an awesome person (and I do like him), if he is a potential risk and no one else has shown a weakness yet, it's fair IMO that he stay on the bottom of the gulag totem pole.[/QUOTE] I guarantee that even if Brandon got the fastest time in the Surfs Up challenge or was the strongest player, they would still send him in. Instead they would say they are sending him in because they feel he can take out players. The whole red team are just punks. I did like them but not so much now. Look at the Melinda and Camila situation. Melinda sucks. I don't know why people on here say shes so strong. She is obviously one of the weakest players in the game. She sucked in the Bed Head challenge where she fell because her jump was terrible. It looked like she walked of the platform rather than running and jumping. She sucked at swimming in the Surfs Up challenge. I feel that Camila would be a better asset to the team than Melinda. They are voting Brandon and Camila in because they are not part of their friendship group. Even Melinda said it in the voting thing. No matter how Brandon and Camila perform, they will be sent in. However with next episode where Melinda is sent in over Camila I don't know why. Maybe Melinda does really bad to the point where they don't think she can do good or Melinda volunteers after she messes up or any other reason. Then you have Tori, who tells Camila shes going in everytime because she voted for Brad. I mean really? Is that the core reason why shes going in? Because she casted one vote against Brad? Grow up. Also I do like Brad but he is such a cry baby. Please stop having a pity party because someone voted for you over the other players. Your not really that strong. He hasn't really shown much this challenge to be honest and Camila has a right to vote for who she wants. The red team can just******* and I can't wait to see there losing streak continue until the final unfortunately.

[QUOTE=rwrrfan;218774]I guarantee that even if Brandon got the fastest time in the Surfs Up challenge or was the strongest player, they would still send him in. Instead they would say they are sending him in because they feel he can take out players. The whole red team are just punks. I did like them but not so much now. Look at the Melinda and Camila situation. Melinda sucks. I don't know why people on here say shes so strong. She is obviously one of the weakest players in the game. She sucked in the Bed Head challenge where she fell because her jump was terrible. It looked like she walked of the platform rather than running and jumping. She sucked at swimming in the Surfs Up challenge. I feel that Camila would be a better asset to the team than Melinda. They are voting Brandon and Camila in because they are not part of their friendship group. Even Melinda said it in the voting thing. No matter how Brandon and Camila perform, they will be sent in. However with next episode where Melinda is sent in over Camila I don't know why. Maybe Melinda does really bad to the point where they don't think she can do good or Melinda volunteers after she messes up or any other reason. Then you have Tori, who tells Camila shes going in everytime because she voted for Brad. I mean really? Is that the core reason why shes going in? Because she casted one vote against Brad? Grow up. Also I do like Brad but he is such a cry baby. Please stop having a pity party because someone voted for you over the other players. Your not really that strong. He hasn't really shown much this challenge to be honest and Camila has a right to vote for who she wants. The red team can just******* and I can't wait to see there losing streak continue until the final unfortunately.[/QUOTE] I don't share your opinion of the red team as punks. I find their analysis of the game to be insightful, particularly with regard to internal dynamics of past challenges. I would never make similar choices in the real world, but in any game where there are both social and competitive aspects, they seem more cohesive than the other two teams.

People need to understand that this is a GAME. The name of the game is to make it to the end not matter what!!! Not have many people you can take out.

[QUOTE]I don't share your opinion of the red team as punks. I find their analysis of the game to be insightful, particularly with regard to internal dynamics of past challenges. I would never make similar choices in the real world, but in any game where there are both social and competitive aspects, they seem more cohesive than the other two teams.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]People need to understand that this is a GAME. The name of the game is to make it to the end not matter what!!![/QUOTE]Thank you! I've been pretty confused about how playing this game CUTTHROAT is somehow a reflection of being a dirty player or a terrible person in the real world. [QUOTE]I guarantee that even if Brandon got the fastest time in the Surfs Up challenge or was the strongest player, they would still send him in. Instead they would say they are sending him in because they feel he can take out players. [/QUOTE]Maybe. It's definitely a great strategic plan. What's the problem with that? Brandon is the only man on the team not in the main alliance, so he goes in. That's not being "punks" IMO. That's smart gameplay on the alliance's part (unless there was a way Brandon could derail their plans, which by these rules, there is not). If we're being set up to believe that Brad performs badly enough next week that Camilla votes for him, unless he messed up so badly that it would question whether or not he would do well in the final (as Brandon did), there is no reason why he should go in. It would still not be "right" for the alliance to send him in instead of Brandon. Sending Brandon in again is strategic in keeping their alliance intact, strategic in getting as many valuable players in their alliance as they can into the final, and strategic in strengthening their chances in the final.

I don't care how they play the game. I just think they are punks. Also I am more targeting what some of you are saying that the red team doesn't know what Brandon is capable of and don't want to risk having him at the end. That I find as complete bull ****. It doesn't matter how well Brandon does. The only thing that matters is keeping their ***** out of the Gulag. It's one thing being dirty and playing the game dirty. It's another playing the game dirty but acting like you're a team. Have a back bone and man up about your voting. Don't sit there and say you're voting someone in because of performance when it is not always the case. I would respect them more if they just didn't act like a bunch of *****es. I understand it's a game and it's called cutthroat but wouldn't that mean that the player would deceive their own friends to win money? They are doing the opposite. Instead of playing a game where you want the weak out and the strong in, they are trying to get rid of their good players to keep their weak friends in. It would make more sense in this being Cutthroat if they were trying to get rid of someone like Melinda who is their friend rather than Camila who is on the outs. Like with Chet voting in Mandi, that's cutthroat. He voted in a friend in order to get ahead. If the red team votes in good players and then loses them, they then have a weak team and suck at challenge. The red team doesn't win any challenges here on out I think from the spoilers. I know they win the whole thing but we don't know much about the final so I can't judge that much. This is just my opinion. I don't expect to have people agree with me.

[QUOTE=Matty;218805]Sending Brandon in again is strategic in keeping their alliance intact, strategic in getting as many valuable players in their alliance as they can into the final, and strategic in strengthening their chances in the final.[/QUOTE] So if Katie or Eric were in a main alliance like the red one, keeping them would strengthen my chances in winning??? I understand if you're alliance consisted of a bunch of amazing athletes. I mean again back to Melinda, how does keeping her make the red team stronger?

[QUOTE=rwrrfan;218837]So if Katie or Eric were in a main alliance like the red one, keeping them would strengthen my chances in winning??? I understand if you're alliance consisted of a bunch of amazing athletes. I mean again[B] back to Melinda, how does keeping her make the red team stronger?[/B][/QUOTE] Melinda hasn't been a week competitor. She has performed decent.

Eric did very well in the missions on cutthroat; however I wouldn't want him around for a final. Katie just does really bad.

[QUOTE=molds13;218850]I guess the point I was attempting to make was that people wouldn't put Katie or Eric in their main alliance in the first place because it would mean keeping them there, which (as history has shown) would be a bad idea.[/QUOTE] I agree with that. I wouldn't want them on my team.

[QUOTE]So if Katie or Eric were in a main alliance like the red one, keeping them would strengthen my chances in winning???[/QUOTE]I think you misinterpreted my post. I said that part of a good strategy is making sure you get the most valuable players in your alliance through to the end. And as molds pointed out, I don't think Katie nor Eric would be considered the most valuable players/top-tier in any alliance if they were even considered for an alliance the way these Challenges stand now. [QUOTE]It would make more sense in this being Cutthroat if they were trying to get rid of someone like Melinda who is their friend rather than Camila who is on the outs. Like with Chet voting in Mandi, that's cutthroat. He voted in a friend in order to get ahead. If the red team votes in good players and then loses them, they then have a weak team and suck at challenge.[/QUOTE]I don't think Melinda and Chet were part of the core alliance. I could be wrong, but to me it seemed that Brad/Tori/Dunbar/Paula/Tyler were the top tier. (Further breaking it down, it also looked like that core was split between Brad/Tori & Paula/Tyler, with Dunbar as the swinger appropriately enough.) Melinda and Chet looked more like second-tier in the alliance, and Brandon, Camilla, and Mandi were not part of it at all. It also seemed like Chet knew very well that if Brandon was sent home he'd be next in the gulag per his placing in the alliance because none of the other three men are considered liabilities as players. You need a second-tier group of alliance members to get your core group through. Melinda has been valuable to them in terms of numbers and having her go easily along with their plans, but she's not one of the most valuable players in the alliance because she's not as strong a performer nor has the strongest ties. They wouldn't need to send Melinda in until it was her turn after Mandi and Camilla unless she became a liability in the challenges. She hasn't been a liability even if she hasn't been as strong as Camilla, but perhaps she does that badly next week and goes in.

[QUOTE=RMD1;218851]I agree with that. I wouldn't want them on my team.[/QUOTE] While I agree, I don't want to make it seem like they are completely useless. What I mean is, if there was a mission/the final that involved carrying alot, Big Easy would be a person I'd want around to help. And Katie is pretty good at puzzles. Do their weaknesses outweigh their strengths? Absolutely. But my point is that there are a few instances where they could come in handy.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;218861]While I agree, I don't want to make it seem like they are completely useless. What I mean is, if there was a mission/the final that involved carrying alot, Big Easy would be a person I'd want around to help. And Katie is pretty good at puzzles. Do their weaknesses outweigh their strengths? Absolutely. But my point is that there are a few instances where they could come in handy.[/QUOTE] Big Easy > Ty. Blue should've put Ty up for elimination first or atleast after they already put in Big Easy once. Ty is completely useless atleast Big Easy could probably help your team all the way up until the final.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;218862]Big Easy > Ty. Blue should've put Ty up for elimination first or atleast after they already put in Big Easy once. Ty is completely useless atleast Big Easy could probably help your team all the way up until the final.[/QUOTE] Very true.

[QUOTE]Watch out now! Matty's got jokes!![/QUOTE] :D I'd have more if this board didn't scare me so ******* much sometimes!! Heh. Gotta love it!

I know I'll probably catch hell for this comment, but I kinda want red team to win so that 1. Paula can stop being on every single challenge. I love the girl but she needs to take a break. and 2. Brad can win one so he can stop whining.

Seems you haven't read the thread or the spoiler thread cause: A. Red team does win B. Paula gets eliminated right before the final.

I haven't read the whole thread actually...it just seems like everyone is hating on the red team right now. I somewhat remember somebody saying that though I just don't remember where. Thanks anyway.

I was listening to Derrick and Kenny's podcasts and I find it hilarious that Kenny was absolutely roasting Tyler on one of the episodes, saying how bad of a competitor and drama queen he is, yet it turns out Derrick loses to him. I wonder if Derrick told Kenny beforehand that he lost to Tyler.

[QUOTE=Entropy;218921]Seems you haven't read the thread or the spoiler thread cause: A. Red team does win B. Paula gets eliminated right before the final.[/QUOTE] Oh no, you're kidding me. Where's the spoiler thread? (Link??)

It's on one of these pages obviously. But I hope you don't spend all night searching for it.

Really? Guys its the stickied topic at the top of this forum!

[QUOTE=RMD1;217646]I agree with you. I think she did the best she could, but her best was not good enough. She DID talk a lot of smack on her teammates. I have seen the episodes and the dailies and this is very obvious for anyone to see. Re-watch some stuff. She talked smack on Shavoun and even her own partner Vinny. Many people do make mistakes, but that is not my point. The fact of the matter is that Sarah let down her team and did not complete the final.. I am talking about Sarah and not anyone else.[/QUOTE] But Sarah has consistently done well MOST of the time, I'd say. And she did amazing on the final in the Ruins - the challengers probably would have won the final in the Ruins had Kelly Anne not been so slow on the balance beam, because remember, that's how the champions caught up! I do agree that it is ironic that she ended up losing it for her team this time around, but I do think someone who's consistently done as well as her has earned their right to talk ****.

[QUOTE=Entropy;219004]Really? Guys its the stickied topic at the top of this forum![/QUOTE] Some people don't use the sub-forum. They usually navigate via home page, where the [URL="http://vevmo.com/f187/the-challenge-cutthroat-spoilers-4929/"]sticky[/URL] isn't visible.

[QUOTE=cystic;219010]Some people don't use the sub-forum. They usually navigate via home page, where the [URL="http://vevmo.com/f187/the-challenge-cutthroat-spoilers-4929/"]sticky[/URL] isn't visible.[/QUOTE] Ahh ok, I see it now, thank you :)