The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

Its not funny, its just opinion. I rarely count those challenges cause they arent the same. I count from Battle of the Season on cause thats when the Challenges became the more mission based, athletic based missions we see now. Stop acting like you all the most knowledgable guy on the Challenges here, everyone has their opinions and are entitled to them.

[QUOTE=Entropy;213116]Its not funny, its just opinion. I rarely count those challenges cause they arent the same. [B]I count from Battle of the Season on cause thats when the Challenges became the more mission based, athletic based missions we see now.[/B] Stop acting like you all the most knowledgable guy on the Challenges here, everyone has their opinions and are entitled to them.[/QUOTE] ummmm......the Extreme Challenge was one of the more physical challenges, and it came before the Battle of the Seasons......Also, the first challenge and the 2000 challenge had "some" missions where you can see a competitors strength. Lastly, i stated solid reasons for my top 15 list, you can't argue that.

[QUOTE=Superboy;213118]ummmm......the Extreme Challenge was one of the more physical challenges, and it came before the Battle of the Seasons......Also, the first challenge and the 2000 challenge had "some" missions where you can see a competitors strength. Lastly, i stated solid reasons for my top 15 list, [B]you can't argue that[/B].[/QUOTE] Why not? You do it in every post you make here so why can't others do it to you? I'll say that I don't consider Kenny anywhere near top 10, but Derrick definitely, and Wes probably, if not, very close. You can't argue that.

[QUOTE] [B]-Aneesa- Weak in missions, but dominate in elimination rounds(7-1). In brute strength, not many females can match her.....if any at all.[/B] [/QUOTE] Well.. she is not 7-1, she is 7-2. Your close though she lost to Svetlana on the Duel and she lossed to Paula on the Inferno III. I do agree with you on her being the best elimination player ever, she is the elimination queen. [URL="http://www.youtube.com/v/2omcPNCFVcw?fs=1&hl=en_US">

[QUOTE=RealityToast;213168]Well.. she is not 7-1, she is 7-2. Your close though she lost to Svetlana on the Duel and she lossed to Paula on the Inferno III. I do agree with you on her being the best elimination player ever, she is the elimination queen.

Reality Toast for your own good stop posting youtube links to old episodes, the admins here don't like links to pages that have the shows because it violates copyrights.Unless its mtv.com

[QUOTE=Morris1721;213166]Why not? You do it in every post you make here so why can't others do it to you? I'll say that I don't consider Kenny anywhere near top 10, [B]but Derrick definitely[/B], and Wes probably, if not, very close. You can't argue that.[/QUOTE] Derrick is a great competitor, but is weaker(for a few reasons) when stacked against the competitors i placed above him. It's so easy for people to think he's top ten because of the Gauntlet 2, but when you use common sense, you would know that his victories against Adam L and Brad meant NOTHING. He didn't beat them in a puzzle, he beat them in a trivia, where you had to be knowledgeable about RW and RR history. All it said was Derrick watched the shows more than Adam and Brad, it doesn't say anything else. His other victories were against bottom competitors such as Syrus(who was average at best), Ace, Tyler, and Davis. So when you look at it, the best competitor he beat in the past was Syrus. Which is not impressive at all. Derrick is top 15, but not top 10. [QUOTE] Well.. she is not 7-1, she is 7-2. Your close though she lost to Svetlana on the Duel and she lossed to Paula on the Inferno III. I do agree with you on her being the best elimination player ever, she is the elimination queen. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I got to edit the list a bit more, but I can't for some reason.... Anyways, no....I don't believe and never said she is the best in an elimination round, I said she is dominate(obviously) and in brute strength, not many can match her.

[QUOTE=Superboy;213177]Derrick is a great competitor, but is weaker(for a few reasons) when stacked against the competitors i placed above him. It's so easy for people to think he's top ten because of the Gauntlet 2, but when you use common sense, you would know that his victories against Adam L and Brad meant NOTHING. He didn't beat them in a puzzle, he beat them in a trivia, where you had to be knowledgeable about RW and RR history. All it said was Derrick watched the shows more than Adam and Brad, it doesn't say anything else. His other victories were against bottom competitors such as Syrus(who was average at best), Ace, Tyler, and Davis. So when you look at it, the best competitor he beat in the past was Syrus. Which is not impressive at all. Derrick is top 15, but not top 10.[/quote] And who were Altons victories against? Tyrie's probably the best guy he ever beat and somehow he managed to be in your top 5.

[QUOTE=jbo29j;213196]And who were Altons victories against? Tyrie's probably the best guy he ever beat and somehow he managed to be in your top 5.[/QUOTE] Did I mentioned his victories in elimination rounds? No. I know he only beat bottom competitors in events that he is a specialist in(climbing, expect against tyrie), but he is still one of the better athletes, and was superior to Miz and Landon(and both admitted this) on the challenges he was on with them.

Everyone has their own opinions about lists... this topic has gone around in circles in numerous posts... move on from the top 10 best competitors of all time... everyone is going to have a difference of opinion and that's fine...

[QUOTE=RealityToast;212936]Good List.. here is mine. Even thought it looks like I got stuff from your list, that is because I agree with you. 9. [B]The Island[/B] [COLOR=blue][B]+[/B][/COLOR] [B]Johny and Kenny messing with Evelyn and Kelly Anne[/B], Good faceoffs: Ballbuster, Ring Wrestle, Survivor voting concept, Paula being backstabbed by the Jerks [COLOR=red][B]- [/B][/COLOR]Bad & simple final challenge, no eliminations, Great veterans being voted off: Rachel and Abe [/QUOTE] Dude, seriously? I understand messing around with people--I do it all the time, I have it done to me, and I'm a good sport about it. But that wasn't messing around, that was serious bullying/harassment.

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;213203]Everyone has their own opinions about lists... this topic has gone around in circles in numerous posts... move on from the top 10 best competitors of all time... everyone is going to have a difference of opinion and that's fine...[/QUOTE] I agree 100%. And when you post your OPINION about the top competitors, don't attack others for having their own OPINIONS. This has been a huge problem and people really need to move on.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;213215]I agree 100%. [B]And when you post your OPINION about the top competitors, don't attack others for having their own OPINIONS[/B]. This has been a huge problem and people really need to move on.[/QUOTE] Was that aimed at me? If it was, I can assure you I never attack people. I don't care what people think and who they think the top 10 of anything is, because it is purely opinion based!

Derrick is definitely top 10 on MY list .

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;213223]Was that aimed at me? If it was, I can assure you I never attack people. I don't care what people think and who they think the top 10 of anything is, because it is purely opinion based![/QUOTE] Not aimed at you at all, other people...certain people.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;213284]So I just went over to Internet Movie Database And I came across this thread where someone suggested that they started bringing people in from True life, Jersey Shore, Teen Mom etc on the challenges not realizing that would be a STUPID Idea. That person was lucky I don't have an account on there or else he/she would've gotten a tounge lashing from me.[/QUOTE] Wow they must own a lifetime supply of cannabis and/or sniff crack... If they ever cast someone they wasn't featured in a BMP show all of the loyal fans are gone and they'll be stuck with 11 y.o. girls as viewers.

Slow your roll... [B]Superboy[/B] [QUOTE] Derrick is a great competitor, but is weaker(for a few reasons) when stacked against the competitors i placed above him. It's so easy for people to think he's top ten because of the Gauntlet 2, but when you use common sense, you would know that his victories against Adam L and Brad meant NOTHING. He didn't beat them in a puzzle, he beat them in a trivia, where you had to be knowledgeable about RW and RR history. All it said was Derrick watched the shows more than Adam and Brad, it doesn't say anything else. [/QUOTE] Derrick on the Gauntlet 2 faced Brad and Adam L. in the elimination round "Name That Coconut" which was a trivia game that also involved a lot of physical contact. It wasn't just like a puzzle elimination. They had to wrestle for the coconut they thought was right, also had to tackle each other from getting to the finish line to give TJ their answer. Good for Derrick, he watched the shows cause he outplayed them both. Derrick not only out smarted them, he out hustled them and he out strengthen them. [QUOTE] His other victories were against bottom competitors such as Syrus(who was average at best), Ace, Tyler, and Davis. So when you look at it, the best competitor he beat in the past was Syrus. Which is not impressive at all. Derrick is top 15, but not top 10. [/QUOTE] Bottom competitors..? Are you serious? Syrus, Brad, and Adam L. are considered top 25 in my list. (Even though Syrus would be very bottom 20's) Davis, Ace, and Tyler aren't considered horrible or anything.. they aren't quitters or players like Danny, Nick, or Alex. Derrick beat Davis, Syrus, and Ace in a physical competition who all outweight him. This shows how much of a competitor Derrick is, and if he isn't considered Top 10 in your list.. I'm not saying your wrong, but he is definitely on mine. Don't call him weak, cause he is no where near weak. Just look at Derrick's losses in an elimination round: 1. Timmy - considered a #3 on your list 2. Darrell - considered #9 on your list 3. Wes - considered #11on your list Easily.. the best losses a great competitor can have. [QUOTE] 11) [B]Wes[/B]- He just found ways to win even though he not much of a competitor overall. His victory over Derrick can't be ignored, aswell as his win on the Duel 1(even though, besides beating Derrick, was mostly based on luck). His physical strength along with his manipulation abilities is what makes him a dangerous competitor. 12)[B]Derrick[/B]-Performed well on all his challenges, in particularly the Gauntlet 2. He has great mental strength to go along with his physical strength, and has the ablitity to beat guys bigger than he is as he shown in the past. Though he is a great competitor, he is NOT top ten all time. [/QUOTE] Wes over Derrick.. gimme a break. Wes won 5 exiles because him and his partner had 50 less amount of weight on their backs. There is a reason he lost his first exile on Fresh Meat II because he had the same exact weight as his opponent. Everybody in that exile outperformed him: Evelyn and even Luke and Mandi. He was struggling bad. Other than those 5 exiles he won, he beat Chet and Nick 1-on-1. Not good wins at all because one was on his debut and the other was a rookie. He lost to Cohutta that just upsets me. If your talking about Derrick's eliminations saying how bad they are, just look at Wes's and tell me what looks better. Beating Chet and Nick, losing to Cohutta or Beating Brad and Adam L., losing to Timmy. Even though Derrick loss to Wes in pole wrestle, that will be the only thing Wes will accomplish over Derrick in these challenges. [QUOTE] Why are you arguing with Superboy? Let him have his list. The only reason I argued with him was because of his ...funny comment. [/QUOTE] I'm not trying to start an argument, I have nothing against Superbody and his list. All I was trying to do is make a statement saying Derrick is nowhere a weak competitor.. that is it. I respect his list, just not his perspective towards Derrick being weak when he is better than Wes.

Why are you arguing with Superboy? Let him have his list. The only reason I argued with him was because of his ...funny comment.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;213210]Dude, seriously? I understand messing around with people--I do it all the time, I have it done to me, and I'm a good sport about it. But that wasn't messing around, that was serious bullying/harassment.[/QUOTE] I'm with you on this 1. He is a slime ball.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;213284]So I just went over to Internet Movie Database And I came across this thread where someone suggested that they started bringing people in from True life, Jersey Shore, Teen Mom etc on the challenges not realizing that would be a STUPID Idea. That person was lucky I don't have an account on there or else he/she would've gotten a tounge lashing from me.[/QUOTE] I've heard about this numerous times, but this is gonna be the first time I've addressed it. Terrible idea. True Life? Those are normal people with problems serious enough to be on tv, no good for challenges. Teen Mom? Those girls are petite and are nowhere near athletically sound for challenges. Jersey Shore on the other hand would be entertaining and would fit in with the challengers, but still a bad idea. Challenges need to stay with RW/RR/FM and now, SBC castmembers. This isn't an attack towards you btw, I could see how it might sound like that haha. And yes, like Entropy said, let SuperBoy have his list. No matter how you argue he'll always consider himself and his list correct so don't even waste your time.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;213337]I've heard about this numerous times, but this is gonna be the first time I've addressed it. Terrible idea. True Life? Those are normal people with problems serious enough to be on tv, no good for challenges. Teen Mom? Those girls are petite and are nowhere near athletically sound for challenges. Jersey Shore on the other hand would be entertaining and would fit in with the challengers, but still a bad idea. Challenges need to stay with RW/RR/FM and now, SBC castmembers. This isn't an attack towards you btw, I could see how it might sound like that haha. And yes, like Entropy said, let SuperBoy have his list. No matter how you argue he'll always consider himself and his list correct so don't even waste your time.[/QUOTE] Hey, I may not know who the **** played the main character in the movie " Rocky" exactly , which has been pointed out to me already. But I do know if they bring bring in True Life, Jersey freakin Shore, or TEEN MOM to the Challenges I will never watch anything on MTV again. Never !!!

As I was posting on another thread, I thought of something that I am very interested in finding out. This is probably best to be answered for Molds or others with really tight connections, but do any current castmembers on the challenges not like each other personally? I don't mean they fight on one challenge and say bad things to each other. I mean really dislike the other person and just wish they weren't there. I'm not sure how Ev and KellyAnne feel about Johnny, but is there anybody else?

Why don't you bring in the MADE kids as well? :| bad idea.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;213337]I've heard about this numerous times, but this is gonna be the first time I've addressed it. Terrible idea. True Life? Those are normal people with problems serious enough to be on tv, no good for challenges. Teen Mom? Those girls are petite and are nowhere near athletically sound for challenges. [B]Jersey Shore[/B] on the other hand would be entertaining and [B]would fit in with the challengers,[/B] but still a bad idea. Challenges need to stay with RW/RR/FM and now, SBC castmembers. This isn't an attack towards you btw, I could see how it might sound like that haha. And yes, like Entropy said, let SuperBoy have his list. No matter how you argue he'll always consider himself and his list correct so don't even waste your time.[/QUOTE] No, Jersey Shore wouldn't fit IMO. They'd be too worried about their spray tan and they wouldn't be able to do "GTL" when they wanted to. They may be athletic enough (Both the girls and dudes) but they would turn into a bunch of wusses when push comes to shove, except maybe Ronnie. They wouldn't last a day on a Challenge like The Island, lol definitely not.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;213342]As I was posting on another thread, I thought of something that I am very interested in finding out. This is probably best to be answered for Molds or others with really tight connections, but do any current castmembers on the challenges not like each other personally? I don't mean they fight on one challenge and say bad things to each other. I mean really dislike the other person and just wish they weren't there. I'm not sure how Ev and KellyAnne feel about Johnny, but is there anybody else?[/QUOTE] Yes, there are.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;213342]As I was posting on another thread, I thought of something that I am very interested in finding out. This is probably best to be answered for Molds or others with really tight connections, but do any current castmembers on the challenges not like each other personally? I don't mean they fight on one challenge and say bad things to each other. I mean really dislike the other person and just wish they weren't there. I'm not sure how Ev and KellyAnne feel about Johnny, but is there anybody else?[/QUOTE] For some strange reason, I feel like Jenn hates Johnny's guts. Intuition?

[QUOTE=molds13;213346]Yes, there are.[/QUOTE] I'm well aware you usually don't like to elaborate on things like this, but any that you feel comfortable discussing? I always wonder this because what we see on tv can be completely different than what goes on in the house.

[QUOTE=Clarke;213348]For some strange reason, I feel like Jenn hates Johnny's guts. Intuition?[/QUOTE] I'm thinking that may be wrong judging from how they interact in some of the dailies. I think they actually get along as opposed to being indifferent or malicious towards each other. If the draft for blue went anything like red, I'd wager Johnny influenced Emilee into picking Jenn for the blue team. edit: now that I think about it, not sure, there's moments where she has some acerbic comments aimed at him too. The Inferno 3 outro for the episode she was eliminated in comes to mind, although she was taking aim at almost everyone. She does tell him to stop talking during the tear gas challenge as well, but that may just be heat of the moment. I'm gonna hang onto to the idea that there friends as even Johnny's closest friends on these shows love to ream him out.

There is obviously hate between...Tonya/Susie, Tonya/Veronica.. I think Darrel doesnt like Wes either and from what townie has said CT has no love lost for Johnny.