Real World: New Orleans 2- Ryan Leslie

[QUOTE=RMD1;188038]I like different opinions :D What did he do wrong that he did not say sorry for??[/QUOTE] - Called Knight out on introducing himself as Knight. - Called Knight a meathead 5 minutes after he met him. - Refused to live with Knight because of said "meathead" persona. - Told Jemmye she was asking to get raped/gorilla ****ed. - Told McKenzie he was wasting his time with her (which for the record, she never asked him to do) He also said she "plays games" which made no sense to me. I think he deluded himself into thinking she was into him. - That whole gay kiss on the neck thing. - Called Jemmye trailer trash. Did he apologize for those last two things? Sort of but only after Preston and Jemmye said they should just squash it right then.

[QUOTE=RMD1;188038]I like different opinions :D What did he do wrong that he did not say sorry for??[/QUOTE] So you believe just because a person says sorry everything they've done is then null and void?

[QUOTE=Wilderwolf;188041]So you believe just because a person says sorry everything they've done is then null and void?[/QUOTE] Yes. If they are sorry.

[QUOTE=tatertots;188039]I consider telling a girl that because she is dressed more provocatively "she is asking to be raped" and then acting like you were just infected with a contagious germ after someone kisses your neck and exclaiming that you want to "kill yourself" every time a homosexual person touches you is WRONG. It may be just me but that is not "keeping it real" and those are not excusable actions.[/QUOTE] Some people react odd to gay people, especially when just meeting them and they are kissing you. I will agree with the **** comment. That was uncalled for. I just think he was saying that she dressed like a *****, which she did.

[QUOTE=RMD1;188036]My point is: Ryan is clearly dealing with sexuality issues with him being gay or not gay. Ayiiia (knowing this) talks about it on twitter. "Outing" someone is a disgusting thing to do. She deserved it.[/QUOTE] I'm done we will never agree so what's the point. Ayiiia and Emilee<3

[QUOTE=RMD1;188043]Yes. If they are sorry.[/QUOTE] Well he still (from what we saw) has yet to apologize to Jemmye for telling her she was asking to get raped, making fun of Knight for wanting to be known by his last name or prejudging him as a "meathead" and finding this so repulsive that he was running around trying to bribe Ashlee into switching with him. All of these things (along with the previously mentioned moments that he "apologized" for) are pretty eye opening to the type of person he is deep down and that response to Ayiiia's comments wasn't anywhere near the high road that might make me cut him a little slack.

[QUOTE=rey2pokey;188046]I'm done we will never agree so what's the point. [B]Ayiiia and Emilee<3[/B][/QUOTE] Figures you like them. LOL. It's not about agreeing, it's about hearing other point of views.

[QUOTE=RMD1;188025]**** that!! Ayiiia came at him saying ****. Team Ryan![/QUOTE] Are you serious? Wow RMD.

Wow...Ryan just put me on team Ayiiia. Thanks Ryan.

[QUOTE=tatertots;188047]Well he still (from what we saw) has yet to apologize to Jemmye for telling her she was asking to get raped, making fun of Knight for wanting to be known by his last name or prejudging him as a "meathead" and finding this so repulsive that he was running around trying to bribe Ashlee into switching with him. All of these things (along with the previously mentioned moments that he "apologized" for) are pretty eye opening to the type of person he is deep down and that response to Ayiiia's comments wasn't anywhere near the high road that might make me cut him a little slack.[/QUOTE] Knight does have the "meathead" persona, I don't like those type of guys either. I don't blame him for not wanting to room with 1. And about the Jemmye thing I think that was just a statement that he said without thinking, or was out of context.

[QUOTE=RMD1;188045]Some people react odd to gay people, especially when just meeting them and they are kissing you. I will agree with the **** comment. That was uncalled for. I just think he was saying that she dressed like a *****, which she did.[/QUOTE] I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that since he works in the business of hair and even said in his intro that a lot of people assume he is gay because he does hair, that this was not nearly the first interaction he has had with a gay person. Also, if I use his logic he happily took a drink from the man and even chatted with him, some would say flirted or teased, which would make him open game or GASP! asking to be hit on/kissed.

[QUOTE=RMD1;188045]Some people react odd to gay people, especially when just meeting them and they are kissing you. I will agree with the **** comment. That was uncalled for. I just think he was saying that she dressed like a *****, which she did.[/QUOTE] No she didn't. I guess I dress like one too then.

[QUOTE=tjhallow;188049]Are you serious? Wow RMD.[/QUOTE] Yeah, why would she call him out saying he is gay or not in front of everyone. That is messed up. You don't put someones sexuality on blast like that.

[QUOTE=tjhallow;188053]No she didn't. I guess I dress like one too then.[/QUOTE] They had to bleep out her *** when she was on the bull. That was a short dress. I'm not saying I don't think she should dress like that, but it was very revealing.

[QUOTE=tatertots;188052]I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that since he works in the business of hair and even said in his intro that a lot of people assume he is gay because he does hair, that this was not nearly the first interaction he has had with a gay person. Also, if I use his logic he happily took a drink from the man and even chatted with him, some would say flirted or teased, which would make him open game or GASP! asking to be hit on/kissed.[/QUOTE] It might have been the first time a gay stranger kissed his neck. Whats GASP? lol So every time a girl takes a free drink that means I can kiss her neck?? People always do **** like that for a free drink.

[QUOTE=rey2pokey;188027]That was an actual issue Ayiiia dealt with so those instances aren't even comparable.[/QUOTE] Ryan's sexuality (whatever it may be) is an issue he seems to have some trouble with, judging by his reaction to being kissed by a gay person and the way he mentioned people automatically assuming he is gay for being a hairdresser. Ayiiia's cutting is an issue that we saw her deal with on her season of RW. She made several (seemingly unprovoked) personal potshots at Ryan, so he insulted her back. They are both obviously immature and petty, but it is hypocritical to forgive Ayiiia for the things she said and condemn Ryan for the ONE thing he said in response. They are both *******s.

[QUOTE=Zereaux;188057]Ryan's sexuality (whatever it may be) is an issue he seems to have some trouble with, judging by his reaction to being kissed by a gay person and the way he mentioned people automatically assuming he is gay for being a hairdresser. Ayiiia's cutting is an issue that we saw her deal with on her season of RW. She made several (seemingly unprovoked) personal potshots at Ryan, so he insulted her back. T[B]hey are both obviously immature and petty, but it is hypocritical to forgive Ayiiia for the things she said and condemn Ryan for the ONE thing he said in response. [/B] They are both *******s.[/QUOTE] True and true.

[QUOTE=RMD1;188055]They had to bleep out her *** when she was on the bull. That was a short dress. I'm not saying I don't think she should dress like that, but it was very revealing.[/QUOTE] I don't think her dress was short at all. Sure, they had to blur her out when riding the mechanic whale, but I'm sure they'd have to blur out anyone wearing a skirt riding that thing no matter how short or long it was. I actually think that was quite long compared to most skirts girls wear these days.

Well, I think it might be safe to speculate no Ryan/Ayiiia alliances on any upcoming challenges. But I agree - neither one of them are really "good people" in my book.

I think Ayiiiiiiia was a ***** for tweeting what she did, but I find I find it odd that he (again allegedly) came out of the closet and then took it back. But I don't know anything about that topic so I'm going to leave my opinion at "That's peculiar." But IMO what Ryan said in response was worse. Telling someone who had cutting problems (or someone who possibly still has those issues) to hurt themselves is messed up, considering there is a chance they might actually do it. If she was found dead because she did slit her wrists the next day, how funny would he find his tweet? Having said that, I don't hate Ryan yet. Too early for me to have a strong opinion like that towards any of the roommates.

[QUOTE=Sister Grimm;188069]I think Ayiiiiiiia was a ***** for tweeting what she did, but I find I find it odd that he (again allegedly) came out of the closet and then took it back. But I don't know anything about that topic so I'm going to leave my opinion at "That's peculiar." But IMO what Ryan said in response was worse. Telling someone who had cutting problems (or someone who possibly still has those issues) to hurt themselves is messed up, considering there is a chance they might actually do it. If she was found dead because she did slit her wrists the next day, how funny would he find his tweet? Having said that, I don't hate Ryan yet. Too early for me to have a strong opinion like that towards any of the roommates.[/QUOTE] Well outing someone is a horrible thing to do but it is a little weird to be gay and then go on the Real World and not come out of the closet when you were in your real life back home. Then again that's a big deal to do and I don't blame him for not wanting to be open about it while cameras were there. This has happened before right? Stephen from RW Seattle 1998 anyone? Lol. And apparently Kevin from Back to New York as well.

Just so everyone knows Ryan does have a girlfriend.

[QUOTE=Zereaux;188057]Ryan's sexuality (whatever it may be) is an issue he seems to have some trouble with, judging by his reaction to being kissed by a gay person and the way he mentioned people automatically assuming he is gay for being a hairdresser.[/QUOTE] Exactly! Think about it: a legitimate straight man that is confident and COMFORTABLE in his own sexuality would never react like that to a gay guy giving him a friendly kiss. It's very evident that Ryan has some emotional issues.

[QUOTE=T0714;188117]Exactly! Think about it: [B]a legitimate straight man that is confident and COMFORTABLE in his own sexuality would never react like that to a gay guy giving him a friendly kiss. [/B] It's very evident that Ryan has some emotional issues.[/QUOTE] That is not true at all. Everyone is different and react differently to situations like that.

[QUOTE=T0714;188117]Exactly! Think about it: a legitimate straight man that is confident and COMFORTABLE in his own sexuality would never react like that to a gay guy giving him a friendly kiss. It's very evident that Ryan has some emotional issues.[/QUOTE] OK, not to take Ryan's side, because he's clearly got prejudicial issues, but if ANYONE I wasn't attracted to - be it a man or woman - just up and kissed me, my reaction wouldn't be pretty. It wouldn't involve insults, because that's not who I am, but it would probably involve me jerking away and saying "gross" or something to that effect, than telling my friends how violated I felt and how gross it was. If I kissed a woman in a bar unprompted I would expect the same reaction. It just falls outside of social norms. And buying her a drink and talking to her for 5 minutes wouldn't change that, unless the conversation was supercharged.

[QUOTE=CastAStone;188122]OK, not to take Ryan's side, because he's clearly got prejudicial issues, but if ANYONE I wasn't attracted to - be it a man or woman - just up and kissed me, my reaction wouldn't be pretty. It wouldn't involve insults, because that's not who I am, but it would probably involve me jerking away and saying "gross" or something to that effect, than telling my friends how violated I felt and how gross it was. If I kissed a woman in a bar unprompted I would expect the same reaction. [B]It just falls outside of social norms. [/B] And buying her a drink and talking to her for 5 minutes wouldn't change that, unless the conversation was supercharged.[/QUOTE] Great wording!! Couldn't have said it better myself.

I don't think that it's anybodies right to say whether or not Ryan is gay. If he is then he clearly struggles with it and will come out when he's comfortable. Ayiiia is one of my favorite RWers ever, but she shouldn't be calling him out. On her show, she hadn't come out of the closet yet, either...

Ryan is an interesting person. He may be starting drama to get attention. I agree with what Knight said on the first episode. Ryan might be ADHD.

[QUOTE=CastAStone;188122]OK, not to take Ryan's side, because he's clearly got prejudicial issues, but if ANYONE I wasn't attracted to - be it a man or woman - just up and kissed me, my reaction wouldn't be pretty. It wouldn't involve insults, because that's not who I am, but it would probably involve me jerking away and saying "gross" or something to that effect, than telling my friends how violated I felt and how gross it was. If I kissed a woman in a bar unprompted I would expect the same reaction. It just falls outside of social norms. And buying her a drink and talking to her for 5 minutes wouldn't change that, unless the conversation was supercharged.[/QUOTE] yeah, but would you say that you'll kill yourself if a gay man touches you?