Let me be clear about Wes. ... I don't think he is the greatest or anything similar but I do think he really had the chance to beat Cohutta and didn't. Am I glad that Cohutta won? Yes. ... Do I think it was an aberration for Wes to lose? Yes.
Is Wes in the top 10? Maybe. ... I won't bring up Kenny again since I made my thoughts on him very clear in other parts of this site.
I just rewatched Gauntlet 2 and I had always thought that is was so dumb of the vets to put all their bets on the eating challenge for the final, but after watching it again it actually made sense. They may have had a shot at Katie winning the memory challenge, but it would have probably been more luck than anything. Aneesa didn't have a shot in **** of winning a sprin against Landon, Alton and MJ(?). So their best, and probably only, shot would have been in the food eating.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;164500]I'm sick and tired of people thinking Wes is superman and he has the athletic abilities of CT or Alton.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you. While I think Wes is a good competitor, I don't think he's in the league of people like CT, Alton, and Landon. Any of those three would have crushed him in a final.
[QUOTE=AJHill;164502]I'm with you. While I think Wes is a good competitor, I don't think he's in the league of people like CT, Alton, and Landon. Any of those three would have crushed him in a final.[/QUOTE]
Considering that Brad beat Landon (fair and square) and CT (due a to a dq) and Wes then beat Brad, I'm not so sure that to say that those 2 would crush Wes is realistic. I'm not saying that they couldn't beat him, it could happen and it could happen that Wes beats them too. I just don't think that any of them would "crush" each other. They're all good competitors IMO. Wes is not superman but he is without a doubt in the top tier of the best competitors we have ever seen in this game. The fact that when people want to mention cast members who they feel would beat Wes the number seems to be limited to 3 or 4 cast members seems to prove how much of a good competitor Wes is.
BTW, Ct is a good competitor but he cracks under pressure and to me that lessens his abilities to play this game.
Will we ever see Beth again? I still can't get over the fact that she was cheated so badly in Duel I. I have no doubt that she would've taken all those girls one by one in The Duel and then would've faced and probably lost to Jodi in the finals but at least she would've made it to the finals.
Beth progress in the challenges is really amazing. I remember when I first saw her, which was in Battle of the Season and then in BOTS 1, and I felt like she wasn't a good competitor at all. Then all of a sudden she started training and became a solid competitor that most girls (even ****** Coral) were afraid to go against. One of my favorite Challenge moments ever was when Beth beat Ruthie, and I dare to say that's one of the most memorable moments in challenge history ever. Too bad she let Coral win when they went against each other in G3. I think Beth had a genuine shot at beating Coral had she tried to.
[QUOTE=Dannyboy;164503]Considering that Brad beat Landon (fair and square) and CT (due a to a dq) and Wes then beat Brad, I'm not so sure that to say that those 2 would crush Wes is realistic. I'm not saying that they couldn't beat him, it could happen and it could happen that Wes beats them too. I just don't think that any of them would "crush" each other. They're all good competitors IMO. Wes is not superman but he is without a doubt in the top tier of the best competitors we have ever seen in this game. The fact that when people want to mention cast members who they feel would beat Wes the number seems to be limited to 3 or 4 cast members seems to prove how much of a good competitor Wes is.
BTW, Ct is a good competitor but he cracks under pressure and to me that lessens his abilities to play this game.[/QUOTE]
I am not talking about bizarre things that happened in Duels, I am talking about FINAL challenges. CT, Alton, and Landon all would have won either Duel had they been there in the finals. Brad is one of my favorite people on the shows, he's a nice guy and a solid competitor, but there's no way he could have beaten CT or Landon in that final. And the only reason Wes beat Brad is because he had A HEAD START! How can you make the argument you just made and leave that part out? Just because Brad beat Landon by batting a ring away at the last moment, Brad beat CT because CT got DQ'd, and then Wes beat Brad by having a head start doesn't mean that Wes would beat either CT or Landon in a final mission.
I'm shocked that Veronica isn't on that list... Had she not done the Ruins I may have been able to understand considering the new fan base, but she actually had a fight with someone on the Ruins!
[QUOTE=AJHill;164505]I am not talking about bizarre things that happened in Duels, I am talking about FINAL challenges. CT, Alton, and Landon all would have won either Duel had they been there in the finals. Brad is one of my favorite people on the shows, he's a nice guy and a solid competitor, but there's no way he could have beaten CT or Landon in that final. And the only reason Wes beat Brad is because he had A HEAD START! How can you make the argument you just made and leave that part out? Just because Brad beat Landon by batting a ring away at the last moment, Brad beat CT because CT got DQ'd, and then Wes beat Brad by having a head start doesn't mean that Wes would beat either CT or Landon in a final mission.[/QUOTE]
Precisely because "bizarre" things do happen is that I'm not willing to say that any of these guys who have consistently proven to be solid competitors would crush each other in a 1on1, or a final for that matter. I didn't purposely leave anything out, I simply think that Wes won that "head start" fair and square. For all it really matters, I see that as part of the final challenge itself. It wasn't like Wes got a head start for having the most amount of freckles. He won it. Yes, I know people might say that it wasn't fair since he's an experienced soccer player but the same can be said whenever there is a challenge, 1on1 or final challenge that caters to one of the cast members' strengths. That's life, sometimes luck is on our side and if you have spent years developing a skill and there's a chance for you to put into practice and benefit from all those years of hard work then by all means you deserve it.
Also, I think you're not being objective. What Brad did in his 1on1 with Landon was simply brilliant. You can call it simply batting a ring away but I call it being very smart and going into an elimination round with a smart strategy. And that's where the big guys fall, when they face a smaller guy who wants it so bad that he has analyzed all his options and has thought of a good strategy to take his opponent out (Cohutta vs. Wes anyone?). Nothing is written in these challenges. I think anyone is beatable. Strategy is just as important as physical strength and there more than a few elimination rounds I can think of that prove this.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Brad. I've liked him since his RW season and he's one of my favorite people on the shows. I remember watching that Duel between him and Landon and not liking his chances, then he swatted at that ring and I was just like "Brad, you smart mother****er". Was just saying what I think would happen in a final mission since they are usually endurance based.
Nobody's saying Brad wasn't brilliant in what he did against Landon... that was a very smart maneuver to think of on the fly like that in the middle of an intense physical competition with game point on the line.
I can't speak for everybody, but my beef with the whole thing is how kinda unfair TJ's officiating was. He penalized Landon for not going straight to his hook and it costed him a point. Then, Brad attained game point by running over and doing what he did to Landon's hook. If Landon got penalized for not going straight for his hook in the first round, then Brad should've been penalized in the final round because he did the exact same thing.
I personally think disqualifications in elimination rounds are complete bunk.
[QUOTE=townie;164513]Nobody's saying Brad wasn't brilliant in what he did against Landon... that was a very smart maneuver to think of on the fly like that in the middle of an intense physical competition with game point on the line.
I can't speak for everybody, but my beef with the whole thing is how kinda unfair TJ's officiating was. He penalized Landon for not going straight to his hook and it costed him a point. Then, Brad attained game point by running over and doing what he did to Landon's hook. If Landon got penalized for not going straight for his hook in the first round, then Brad should've been penalized in the final round because he did the exact same thing.
I personally think disqualifications in elimination rounds are complete bunk.[/QUOTE]
Brad got that first point because Landon was tackling him. They both had gotten each other rings but since they were near Brad's hook, Landon wouldn't just run towards his hook but instead he stayed there tackling and holding Brad, that's why Landon lost that point. It wasn't a wrestling match and that's why Landon lost that point. I think that's very different than what Brad did when he hit the hook while they were already near Landon's hook. Brad never purposely held Landon so he couldn't go for his hook, he simply hit the hook and then ran for his.
[QUOTE=RW561015;164528]Well, there are some people who are pretty much implying that Wes is up there with them when they say he's the best competitor.[/QUOTE]
Who implied he's "the best competitor?" I said he was top 10. I mean is he not? I'm saying top 10 as in maybe 6,7,8,9, or 10. Not top 5.
I think the debate of who is best and who isn't good. I hate Wes and I think he sucks but I don't think everyone will ever agree with everyone else. Lets just move on... HEY, a kitty!
[QUOTE=faceless;164562]I think the debate of who is best and who isn't good. I hate Wes and I think he sucks but I don't think everyone will ever agree with everyone else. Lets just move on... HEY, a kitty![/QUOTE]
I think I'm the only one that everyone doesn't agree with ha, but that's ok. Kitty, where?!?
[QUOTE=r3iKo;164583]I think I'm the only one that everyone doesn't agree with ha, but that's ok. Kitty, where?!?[/QUOTE]
No, trust me, there are plenty of people here who just absolutely love Wes and can't get enough of him and they think he is Super Man. Now you may not love Wes that much but probably most the people here who watch the challenges agree with you that Wes is Top 10 but they also think probably top 3 or something. Just recently a few people have been voicing differently.
How is Wes ever considered top 10. He has only won one challenge and most of the time he doesn't do to many faceoff's agianst tough competitors. In the Ruins he went agianst Nick Brown and Chet not the most proven competitors as well as losing to cohutta. To make the all time top ten you have to be allot better then that.
As far as all around competitors go, I would take all of these guys off the top of my head on my team over Wes
Evan
CT
Landon
Alton
Darrell
Derrick
Mike
Timmy
Abram
Theo
Mark
MJ and Brad would be borderline picks too.
Wes just can't hack it across the board in so many different variations of challenge competition like those guys can.
I agree with Townie.
This is my last post but just because Wes packed lighter than everyone, and half the other players forgot their flags doesn't make him top ten. He's entertaining, ******, funny, whatever, he is a good competitor but top 10? Just look at townie's list. Alright I'm done.
Kenny
Evan
Derrick
Paula
Johnny
Katie
Brad
Ev
Tonya
Aneesa
which of these people do you think are officially done with challenges as of FM2?
I say Brad,Katie and Derrick
[QUOTE=rey2pokey;164606]Kenny
Evan
Derrick
Paula
Johnny
Katie
Brad
which of these people do you think are officially done with challenges as of FM2?
I say Brad,Katie and Derrick[/QUOTE]
Derrick's not done.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;164612]tj is leaving Vevmo????????[/QUOTE]
What?
Edit: That was my last post on the Wes subject but me leaving vevmo? You wish :).
[QUOTE=rey2pokey;164613]I wish he was he just adds to the JEK's powers lol[/QUOTE]
The only people that would be able to put an end to JEK would be people like Alton, Landon, CT, and Darrell. We know about CT's situation and of course Darrell and Landon have been on recent challenges, but what about Alton ? Will he ever be on a challenge again ? He hasn't done one since the Inferno 3.
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