The Island: MTV - Speculation

[quote=needsalife;32199]They are in alphabetical order with the eliminated players at the bottom. I'm guessing the rest of the cast doesn't get eliminated in reverse alphabetical order.[/quote] bootje is saying that he/she changed the page's cast order from a previous one to what is it now (and is speculating that the previous order is the reverse order of elimination). if you look through the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Real_World/Road_Rules_Challenge:_The_Island&diff=prev&oldid=242905649"]wiki history[/URL], you can see the previous order. no need to pm anyone for that info ;). that's not to say that what was listed on the wiki page is at all relevant to who ended up winning the game.

[quote=maybeshesright;32200]bootje is saying that he/she changed the page's cast order from a previous one to what is it now (and is speculating that the previous order is the reverse order of elimination). if you look through the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Real_World/Road_Rules_Challenge:_The_Island&diff=prev&oldid=242905649"]wiki history[/URL], you can see the previous order. no need to pm anyone for that info ;). that's not to say that what was listed on the wiki page is at all relevant to who ended up winning the game.[/quote] Ohhh....okay. I retract my previous statement now. Then again, we've been warned to think outside the box...maybe they do go in alphabetical order now! (completely kidding)

[quote=bootje30;32216]i think i know who won because of the wikipedia page of the island[/quote] I looked at it, and no it does not give the correct order now and it did not before it was updated.

but don't you think that it is really possible that the elimination order is: tyrie, colie, cohutta, jenn, johnny, ryan, robin. then the final 8 will be dan, derrick, dunbar, ev, paula, johanna, kellyanne and kenny. derrick, dunbar, paula, kellyanne and kenny already have keys. jenn gives her key to ryan. johnny gives his key to johanna. ryan gives his key to ev. and robin gives her key to dan. then the winners will be dan, derrick, dunbar and ev because they were at the top. it would really suck if that happens because i don't like dan, dunbar and ev. but since on every challenge my favorites lost it won't be a huge surprise to me... i'd rather have robin, paula and jenn to win. i also think the ones you see in the boat in the trailer are kenny johanna and kellyanne and paula could be behind the sail or something:P

[quote=Bacchus;32220]I looked at it, and no it does not give the correct order now and it did not before it was updated.[/quote] i changed it to alphabetical order just because i didn't like the order before:P just to make sure i didn't think the alphabetical order was the real order of elimination

[quote=bootje30;32221]but don't you think that it is really possible that the elimination order is: tyrie, colie, cohutta, jenn, johnny, ryan, robin. then the final 8 will be dan, derrick, dunbar, ev, paula, johanna, kellyanne and kenny. derrick, dunbar, paula, kellyanne and kenny already have keys. jenn gives her key to ryan. johnny gives his key to johanna. ryan gives his key to ev. and robin gives her key to dan. then the winners will be dan, derrick, dunbar and ev because they were at the top. it would really suck if that happens because i don't like dan, dunbar and ev. but since on every challenge my favorites lost it won't be a huge surprise to me... i'd rather have robin, paula and jenn to win. i also think the ones you see in the boat in the trailer are kenny johanna and kellyanne and paula could be behind the sail or something:P[/quote] I "speculate" that you are wrong. ;)

[quote=Bacchus;32226]I "speculate" that you are wrong. ;)[/quote] I second that motion.

[QUOTE=bootje30;32195]i think i know who won because of the wikipedia page of the island it doesn't show the players in alphabetical order but in another order and it already had ashli at the bottom before the episode aired. i changed the page because i didn't want to believe it. if you want to know the order of elimination according to the wikipedia page you can send me a message...[/QUOTE] Just keep the info off this thread or the mod gods will thrash you heartily, and so love doing it.

[quote=Bacchus;32226]I "speculate" that you are wrong. ;)[/quote] That made me laugh for so many reasons....but I Third that motion lol [quote=V1man;32231]Just keep the info off this thread or the mod gods will thrash you heartily, and so love doing it.[/quote] He/she knows not what he/she does...take mercy.....or if not I'll offer him up if gets me some points lol

I have a speculation or 2 .... but can someone fisrt tell me what TJ said in the Ep 5 commercial about the rules change?

[QUOTE=Darock1713;32455]I have a speculation or 2 .... but can someone fisrt tell me what TJ said in the Ep 5 commercial about the rules change?[/QUOTE] The one that I recall seeing only seemed to have Johnny's reaction to whatever TJ said that indicated a change. The Daily of TJ posted yesterday was of his usual announcement that they had 45 minutes to make their face off selections. TJ said nothing of a rules change, although both Robin and Johnny make reference to the possibility/likelihood of one toward the end of that same daily. Unless a rules change is shown in the dailies today or tomorrow, I guess we'll just have to wait for the episode. It is perhaps entirely possible, that any rules change does not happen until next week and we've been trick by the editors yet again.

darn editors. ;)

Just saw a preview and the twist was revealed: the only way to get your key is to take it by winning a faceoff. or at least thats what TJ said, not sure if it was edited that way or not.

[quote=Morris1721;32648]Just saw a preview and the twist was revealed: the only way to get your key is to take it by winning a faceoff. or at least thats what TJ said, not sure if it was edited that way or not.[/quote] What I think is, that there will still be a face-off (obviously), and judging from the challenge dailies I think that they will vote in three people normally, then find out that they need to vote in someone who has a key. So I think that someone with a key will have to go in, against two others, and the winner of the face-off gets the key. and the other two plead their cases, the cast votes, and then one goes home, the other stays (no key rewarded). So I think that someone could loose their key in a face-off, but still get voted to stay on the Island, but then end up with out a key, unless they go back into a face-off. And this will continue until it is time to go. And if that is the case, I am worried that they are going to try to throw KellyAnne in again. :(

Or he could've meant that the people who only won their keys by being voted to stay (Jen, JB, Kenny, Robin, Dunbar maybe?), have to all compete against eachother in a faceoff in order to keep their key. Thats probably why The Alliance is so butt hurt, because now they'd have to send one another home. But idk, that could be a stretch. Heh. @_@ If I'm right, then your precious KA is safe. ;P

[quote=LilysMom;32668]I saw the same preview a couple of times last night, and I really hope this starts in tonight's episode.[/quote] While we have a separate thread for the dailies, here is TJ's rules explanation to the group when it is time for them to pick the people for the face-off. It is appropriate to this discussion (which is not really a spoiler discussion, but what the Hell). I wouldn't know where to put it at this point. [URL="http://www.challengedailies.com/Video/Feverish-Forum/0A4E2FFFF0183BC5C001700A34959"]Challenge Dailies [/URL]

[QUOTE=LilysMom;32681]Do you think maybe after they pick the people that is when the rules change? I had watched this one previously at the dailies and I know we have been taught to not believe a darn thing MTV show's us in the edit's. I was hoping that they picked the 3 people to go in then the rules change.[/QUOTE] TJ does say that the winner will get a key and the other two will plead there case, implying that the person not eliminated is able to remain but not receive a key. FYI, I believe there are only three more episodes after tonight.

this challenge seems a lot shorter than G3. I'm sad to see it end already. ;) [size=1][i]Posted via Mobile Device[/i][/size]

[quote=V1man;32682]TJ does say that the winner will get a key and the other two will plead there case, implying that the person not eliminated is able to remain but not receive a key. FYI, I believe there are only three more episodes after tonight.[/quote] Wow, is it just me or did this challenge go by really fast? I can still remember waiting for the premire and now we're pretty much half way through.

What the hell is going on? If I understand the rules correctly, then a total of 12 keys will be given out as opposed to 8. If V1 is right, then there will only be 4 more faceoffs including the one tonight which means there will be up to 11 people with keys, and 8 eliminations. There is no mention that you can give a key away to your buddy if you both are still on the Island, so Johanna probably will not get one now because she cannot beat anyone minus Robin or Colie. If there are more than 8 keyholders by the Final "Challenge", then there has to be something to physical (endurance) like a race or something to the boats. I still think Ev gets a key and somehow is 1 of the first 4 to a boat ......... maybe there is something to where the first four people to a boat can go .... the only issue is that in the season preview, I thought I saw 1 of the boats with only 3 people. The only far fetched theory I have there is that because Dave quit, the 2nd boat is allowed to leave with only 3 people. I thought I had this somewhat figured out, but I have no clue now. For speculation sake, I see the last 4 eliminations as follows: Colie, Colhutta, Johanna, Tyrie The final 11 imo are Johnny, Kenny, Paula (who is probably sitting alone because the boat left her ***), Ev, Kelly Anne, Dan, Ryan, Derrick, Robin, Jenn, Dunbar From this deduction ... I ***ume the following based on athletic prowless and previous speculation info Boat 1: The four of the 11 above with the best endurance, strength, etc .... I definitely see Derrick and Ev on the same boat w/ 2 more probably Kenny and Dan (if he is sober) otherwise replace him with the moron Boat 2: 3 people; the moron, KA, and Jenn Left behind: Out of shape Dunbar, Ryan, Paula, and Robin just my opinion:

Darock as I was reading your post, something came to mind. Maybe they race to the boats, and in the boat with three people is Kenny, Derrrick, and Johnny. Johnny wants to just leave with three people because he thinks that the three of them are the only ones he wants to win (maybe he saw Paula far behind and didn't want to wait for her). Then maybe something happens and they're told they NEED four people and have to go back and get the fourth, and that could be Ev...just a thought lol

[quote=Darock1713;32774]because Dave quit, the 2nd boat is allowed to leave with only 3 people. [/quote] Yeah but don't you need all 4 keys to open the chest?

Here's my thoughts: There are 3 more episodes after tonight? So does that mean there are two eliminations and then the final or is the final elimination on the same episode of the final (like it has been in recent years)? If there are two, we do have reports that Colie and Cahutta don't make the end. If there is a third, it's up in the air. However, 11 is a werid number to end up with (obviously 8 advance, and 3 go). I don't know, confuzzled. It looked like Derrick for sure was in the next face off, and Dunbar?

You need 4 keys and 4 people - that's the rules, and everyone is mentioning $75,000. Did anyone notice that Derrick actually seemed happy when Ev took Johnny's key. If the original spoliers are correct, then I can assume the following I made a huge mistake in assuming that they're were more than 8 keys. My first post into vevmo I was more clear in my thoughts, and although I was only 50% right per V1man .... I stated that the winner of a face could possibly take a key from a keyholder .... and then I went back on my thought becuase of "The Vevmo Family" (V1man, Bacchus, and the secret alliance member StonedWorld)...lol X 15 Ev is showned in another faceoff, and we know from the preview it's not next week - so there is a chance that she may lose her key, but I don't think Bananas will take it from her ..... I think Derrick is going to do the dirty work. Probably Derrick vs Johnny vs Colhutta next week, with Colhutta being sent off. Derrick is tricky, he could actually go after Paula's or Dunbar's key. No one can beat Derrick imo, so he can do whatever he wants. If he does win and give Johnny the key, then Johnny is done with faceoffs because he cannot win alone. Also we saw Kenny ringing a bell in 1 preview .... I'm still assuming that he wins that faceoff and takes Robin's key ..... this is where Colie goes imo. If Johnny does somehow win by Derrick taking a dive, then he takes Ev's key Then TJ changes the rules again to where all non key holders are in the last faceoff, and the winner takes a key ....... Ev wins the last faceoff where the people jump into the water, and then Johanna quits and Ev takes Paula's key after Bananas and Kenny convince her to take Paula's key for a ride on their boat............ The only thing I know is that there will be 3 more faceoff/elimination, which means there will only be 11 people at the end, with only 7 or 8 with keys.

[QUOTE=Darock1713;32891]You need 4 keys and 4 people - that's the rules, and everyone is mentioning $75,000. Did anyone notice that Derrick actually seemed happy when Ev took Johnny's key. If the original spoliers are correct, then I can assume the following I made a huge mistake in assuming that they're were more than 8 keys. My first post into vevmo I was more clear in my thoughts, and although I was only 50% right per V1man .... I stated that the winner of a face could possibly take a key from a keyholder .... and then I went back on my thought becuase of "The Vevmo Family" (V1man, Bacchus, and the secret alliance member StonedWorld)...lol X 15 Ev is showned in another faceoff, and we know from the preview it's not next week - so there is a chance that she may lose her key, but I don't think Bananas will take it from her ..... I think Derrick is going to do the dirty work. Probably Derrick vs Johnny vs Colhutta next week, with Colhutta being sent off. Derrick is tricky, he could actually go after Paula's or Dunbar's key. No one can beat Derrick imo, so he can do whatever he wants. If he does win and give Johnny the key, then Johnny is done with faceoffs because he cannot win alone. Also we saw Kenny ringing a bell in 1 preview .... I'm still assuming that he wins that faceoff and takes Robin's key ..... this is where Colie goes imo. If Johnny does somehow win by Derrick taking a dive, then he takes Ev's key Then TJ changes the rules again to where all non key holders are in the last faceoff, and the winner takes a key ....... Ev wins the last faceoff where the people jump into the water, and then Johanna quits and Ev takes Paula's key after Bananas and Kenny convince her to take Paula's key for a ride on their boat............ The only thing I know is that there will be 3 more faceoff/elimination, which means there will only be 11 people at the end, with only 7 or 8 with keys.[/QUOTE] Well I can't answer you because this is a speculation thread. IF I did respond, it would become a spoiler thread.

PM me then or do what you have been in letting me flow down the winding river of uncertainty.