I think it's pretty laughable that we expect others to be aware of things that are more embedded in American culture, when most Americans can't even identify most other countries on a map let alone know anything about their culture. That's what I'm saying.
If she didn't learn from her actions and her ignorance, that's another story.
Listen I'm only going to say this once... Blackface is offensive point blank period. IT doesn't matter what culture you are in if you do black face you are being offensive and fueling a toxic act that has been used to humiliate black people for more than a century. Just because someone in Australia or China do black face does not make it any less offensive. That "well it's only offensive in america" argument is so stupid.
I'm sure it is offensive to African-Americans. That doesn't mean that someone in another country knows that.
When I was in Italy I gave someone a thumbs up and didn't know why they got mad at me. I was ignorant that it was offensive and learned better. Obviously this is on a much more serious scale but like I said, it's very ego-centric to expect people from other cultures to know our standards when Americans are some of the most ignorant and uneducated about other cultures.
What does her nationality have to do with anything?
You are refering to the american cival war or am i wrong?
No I am referring to blackface. Blackface has been around since the 1800s and it was something used to humiliate black people in movies, plays, and cartoons for many years. It doesn't matter what her nationality is, if you do blackface you are being offensive.
Agreed, which is why the history should be taught in k-12 schools. So everyone is aware.
OKay so it's not seen as racist in Europe...So? What are we supposed to just excuse it then?
I think what people are trying to say is because it may not be a big deal in Europe, Georgia didn't know it was bad. What she did was wrong but wasn't Emily kind of excused for similar thing (not knowing). I personally think Georgia didn't know and wouldn't be mad if she came back nor would I really care if she never comes back. I wouldn't be surprised if they just stop calling her to not risk backlash.
Emily knew blackface was wrong before Camila painted her face. She LITERALLY asked if it was racist before they walked downstairs. If you have to ask, you shouldn't be ******* doing it.
OKay so it's not seen as racist in Europe...So? What are we supposed to just excuse it then?
I think what people are trying to say is because it may not be a big deal in Europe, Georgia didn't know it was bad. What she did was wrong but wasn't Emily kind of excused for similar thing (not knowing). I personally think Georgia didn't know and wouldn't be mad if she came back nor would I really care if she never comes back. I wouldn't be surprised if they just stop calling her to not risk backlash.
Emily knew blackface was wrong before Camila painted her face. She LITERALLY asked if it was racist before they walked downstairs. If you have to ask, you shouldn't be ******* doing it.
Emily's situation is 1000% different in my opinion. I don't think her intentions were bad but she definitely knew what she was doing and it was completely unacceptable.
Esther along with a bunch of her other BKChat castmembers most definitely had an issue with the situation so that should tell y'all right there that it's a "thing" that's looked down upon overseas as well. If it was only embedded as a historically racist issue over here we wouldn't have heard Esther say a thing.....those festivals & celebrations that I was talking about have been under scrutiny by the melanated European population for years just as the blackface depictions have over here. THEY KNOW.
Theo didn't know, Montana didn't know, doubt Kayleigh knew. I've asked my UK friends about it a few years ago and less than half knew. You can listen to Esther talk and Georgia talk & tell which one is way more educated. Georgia has a diverse group of very close friends (yes, I know that doesn't make you antiracist) and none of her tweets have a history of racism or prejuidice. I just don't buy it with Georgia. I think some of you want her to be racist, it's like a "gotcha" thing for you.
All 3 of those people are biracial as ****.... I'm quite SURE they didn't know. Did it ever come out of MY **** mouth that Georgia was racist? I seem to recall me saying I think she was aware of some things behind it, had to be knowing how prevalent it actually is over there but as I clearly said in 2 of my posts, some people there do it as a "paying homage" type of thing; the point was that NOBODY in here is about to tell me that blackface is just so unknown & taboo over there when I know for a good fact that it's not. Calm that shit down trying to tell me what I'm trying to do.
that is the Pm of Holland. Blackface is rather common in Holland. The movement against black pete only started 4-5 years ago.A lot of my White friends still Dont get iT is offensive. Even among our own community, we have people who participate with black pete. South Amerika Has the Same problem
And Yes off course you have the right to find this offensive as american
You guys should see how many people in the UK are furious that Netflix added the Black Lives Matter section
If you chalk up Georgias act to ignorance, where do you draw the line? Does that mean Dees incident should be chalked up to ignorance? Australia has a big issue with racism as well and theyre very comfortable in it, just like UK. I stayed with a family who made some uncomfortable remarks about aboriginals, and the they complained how theyre always "asking for more rights." according to one article: "There have been at least 437 deaths recorded since the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody ended in 1991. There have been at least five deaths since Guardian Australia updated its Deaths Inside project in August 2019, two of which have resulted in murder charges being laid.
The economist and Labor parliamentarian Andrew Leigh also published research last year that indicates Indigenous Australians are now more likely to be in prison than African Americans. The research shows that over the past three decades, the share of Indigenous adults in prison has more than doubled, from 1,124 per 100,000 adults in 1990 to 2,481 per 100,000 adults in 2018."
And from a black Americans perspective in Australia:
"Now let's be clear, as a person of color, if you can live in America and take on the systematic and blatant racism every day with your head held high, you can live anywhere. I've traveled to many colonized countries and one thing remains the same - they all suffer from the same history of colorism, the erasure of indigenous peoples, and racism. Australia is no different. While it's much more tolerable here than in America, it's still no different.
For example, what do you do when you're in a bar full of white Australians and Kanye West's "Gold Digger" comes on? Are you gonna fight the whole club because they're all yelling, "But she ain't **** with no broke n***a"? You know in your heart that the N-word in Australia doesn't have the same sting as it does if this was back home, but the American in you can't help but wonder how to react in moments like that.
Nonetheless, as a Black-American in Australia, we're viewed as exotic. We have an "accent," we dress different, and we carry ourselves in a different manner that makes us stand out. So, to no surprise, we're very well received here. And let's just be honest, American culture is black culture, and everyone loves black culture. Since traveling abroad, I've literally had people of all ethnicities tell me they wish they were black because we're "so cool." Oh, and once they find out I speak Spanish their minds are really blown. Then I have to school them on Afro-Latinos and how Spain forced Africans into slavery so many people in the Caribbean and South America look just like me.
Now that I've been here almost a year, I've noticed the black indigenous Australians (Aboriginals or Torres Strait Islanders), don't necessarily get the same treatment as I. They're often treated and stereotyped like how I would be treated and stereotyped in America. I mean, there was a time in the recent past where black Indigenous children were stolen from their parents and forced to live and reproduce with white Australians in order to breed out the black blood. Do yourself a favor and research The Stolen Generation. Australia's crime against humanity is no worse than America's. Although, recently while watching the news, I've noticed that it's typically the east Africans - the Sudanese and Ethiopians - who get a bad rap nowadays. "
Now I offer this information up to make you question where we draw the line for our tolerance of ignorance.
do we draw it at the intention? (Malicious vs innocent) do we draw it at the act they did? (Racist comments, blackface)
do we draw it at the fact that they come from other countries who dont share the same standards as us? Does it depend which country?
Do we draw it with how they grew up? ( emily growing up in a cult, or growing up in the south?)
i truly dont have the answers but just wondering what will be excused or what wont be.
does MTV have to have seminars on race and gender every season to ensure that these things dont happen?
Racism should be discussed at school, but ultimately, that is in the hands of parents. They are the ones who raise the children and are responsible of instilling the right morals and values to them. If the parents are uneducated, there are MULTIPLE ways of educating themselves. There is no excuse.
Bottomline: Even if Georgia isn't racist which is likely that she isn't her actions still offended a large group of people. MTV as a business needs to respect their fanbase feelings and do swift actions. IF it means banning Georgia I'm sorry to georgia fans but thats a small price to pay when you weigh it against the collective opinions of african american fans of the show.
that is the Pm of Holland. Blackface is rather common in Holland. The movement against black pete only started 4-5 years ago.A lot of my White friends still Dont get iT is offensive. Even among our OWN community who participate with black pete.
And Yes off course you have the right to find this offensive as american
This article that was at the bottom of the one you posted was 6 years ago & I'm "street-smart" enough to know that there's been discussions about it for much longer than that; we don't hear much about the so-called black presence in The Netherlands if we hear about them at all so whenever the media decides to talk about it is when it'll get coverage.
You guys should see how many people in the UK are furious that Netflix added the Black Lives Matter section
If you chalk up Georgias act to ignorance, where do you draw the line? Does that mean Dees incident should be chalked up to ignorance? Australia has a big issue with racism as well and theyre very comfortable in it, just like UK. I stayed with a family who made some uncomfortable remarks about aboriginals, and the they complained how theyre always "asking for more rights." according to one article: "There have been at least 437 deaths recorded since the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody ended in 1991. There have been at least five deaths since Guardian Australia updated its Deaths Inside project in August 2019, two of which have resulted in murder charges being laid.
The economist and Labor parliamentarian Andrew Leigh also published research last year that indicates Indigenous Australians are now more likely to be in prison than African Americans. The research shows that over the past three decades, the share of Indigenous adults in prison has more than doubled, from 1,124 per 100,000 adults in 1990 to 2,481 per 100,000 adults in 2018."
And from a black Americans perspective in Australia:
"Now let's be clear, as a person of color, if you can live in America and take on the systematic and blatant racism every day with your head held high, you can live anywhere. I've traveled to many colonized countries and one thing remains the same - they all suffer from the same history of colorism, the erasure of indigenous peoples, and racism. Australia is no different. While it's much more tolerable here than in America, it's still no different.
For example, what do you do when you're in a bar full of white Australians and Kanye West's "Gold Digger" comes on? Are you gonna fight the whole club because they're all yelling, "But she ain't **** with no broke n***a"? You know in your heart that the N-word in Australia doesn't have the same sting as it does if this was back home, but the American in you can't help but wonder how to react in moments like that.
Nonetheless, as a Black-American in Australia, we're viewed as exotic. We have an "accent," we dress different, and we carry ourselves in a different manner that makes us stand out. So, to no surprise, we're very well received here. And let's just be honest, American culture is black culture, and everyone loves black culture. Since traveling abroad, I've literally had people of all ethnicities tell me they wish they were black because we're "so cool." Oh, and once they find out I speak Spanish their minds are really blown. Then I have to school them on Afro-Latinos and how Spain forced Africans into slavery so many people in the Caribbean and South America look just like me.
Now that I've been here almost a year, I've noticed the black indigenous Australians (Aboriginals or Torres Strait Islanders), don't necessarily get the same treatment as I. They're often treated and stereotyped like how I would be treated and stereotyped in America. I mean, there was a time in the recent past where black Indigenous children were stolen from their parents and forced to live and reproduce with white Australians in order to breed out the black blood. Do yourself a favor and research The Stolen Generation. Australia's crime against humanity is no worse than America's. Although, recently while watching the news, I've noticed that it's typically the east Africans - the Sudanese and Ethiopians - who get a bad rap nowadays. "
Now I offer this information up to make you question where we draw the line for our tolerance of ignorance.
do we draw it at the intention? (Malicious vs innocent) do we draw it at the act they did? (Racist comments, blackface)
do we draw it at the fact that they come from other countries who dont share the same standards as us? Does it depend which country?
Do we draw it with how they grew up? ( emily growing up in a cult, or growing up in the south?)
i truly dont have the answers but just wondering what will be excused or what wont be.
does MTV have to have seminars on race and gender every season to ensure that these things dont happen?
Bottomline: Even if Georgia isn't racist which is likely that she isn't her actions still offended a large group of people. MTV as a business needs to respect their fanbase feelings and do swift actions. IF it means banning Georgia I'm sorry to georgia fans but thats a small price to pay when you weigh it against the collective opinions of african american fans of the show.
Someons brought up the Emily situation on BOE. The one thing you got to notuce is that while Camila was painting her face Emily nervously asks: "Is this racist?"
Emily obviously had to have some sensitivity to know tbat this can offend people which is why it was no excuse for her behavior.
You guys should see how many people in the UK are furious that Netflix added the Black Lives Matter section
If you chalk up Georgias act to ignorance, where do you draw the line? Does that mean Dees incident should be chalked up to ignorance? Australia has a big issue with racism as well and theyre very comfortable in it, just like UK. I stayed with a family who made some uncomfortable remarks about aboriginals, and the they complained how theyre always "asking for more rights." according to one article: "There have been at least 437 deaths recorded since the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody ended in 1991. There have been at least five deaths since Guardian Australia updated its Deaths Inside project in August 2019, two of which have resulted in murder charges being laid.
The economist and Labor parliamentarian Andrew Leigh also published research last year that indicates Indigenous Australians are now more likely to be in prison than African Americans. The research shows that over the past three decades, the share of Indigenous adults in prison has more than doubled, from 1,124 per 100,000 adults in 1990 to 2,481 per 100,000 adults in 2018."
And from a black Americans perspective in Australia:
"Now let's be clear, as a person of color, if you can live in America and take on the systematic and blatant racism every day with your head held high, you can live anywhere. I've traveled to many colonized countries and one thing remains the same - they all suffer from the same history of colorism, the erasure of indigenous peoples, and racism. Australia is no different. While it's much more tolerable here than in America, it's still no different.
For example, what do you do when you're in a bar full of white Australians and Kanye West's "Gold Digger" comes on? Are you gonna fight the whole club because they're all yelling, "But she ain't **** with no broke n***a"? You know in your heart that the N-word in Australia doesn't have the same sting as it does if this was back home, but the American in you can't help but wonder how to react in moments like that.
Nonetheless, as a Black-American in Australia, we're viewed as exotic. We have an "accent," we dress different, and we carry ourselves in a different manner that makes us stand out. So, to no surprise, we're very well received here. And let's just be honest, American culture is black culture, and everyone loves black culture. Since traveling abroad, I've literally had people of all ethnicities tell me they wish they were black because we're "so cool." Oh, and once they find out I speak Spanish their minds are really blown. Then I have to school them on Afro-Latinos and how Spain forced Africans into slavery so many people in the Caribbean and South America look just like me.
Now that I've been here almost a year, I've noticed the black indigenous Australians (Aboriginals or Torres Strait Islanders), don't necessarily get the same treatment as I. They're often treated and stereotyped like how I would be treated and stereotyped in America. I mean, there was a time in the recent past where black Indigenous children were stolen from their parents and forced to live and reproduce with white Australians in order to breed out the black blood. Do yourself a favor and research The Stolen Generation. Australia's crime against humanity is no worse than America's. Although, recently while watching the news, I've noticed that it's typically the east Africans - the Sudanese and Ethiopians - who get a bad rap nowadays. "
Now I offer this information up to make you question where we draw the line for our tolerance of ignorance.
do we draw it at the intention? (Malicious vs innocent) do we draw it at the act they did? (Racist comments, blackface)
do we draw it at the fact that they come from other countries who dont share the same standards as us? Does it depend which country?
Do we draw it with how they grew up? ( emily growing up in a cult, or growing up in the south?)
i truly dont have the answers but just wondering what will be excused or what wont be.
does MTV have to have seminars on race and gender every season to ensure that these things dont happen?
Georgia's incident has plenty of evidence to support that she didn't know what she was doing or why it is offensive. Taylor (Cory's gf) on the other hand clearly had racist intent behind her tweets. Dee works for them currently and is in the middle of a cultural revolution where she should've known her "cute" remarks would not be tolerated.
There's a clear line to me. Someone who in the past did something who was unintentionally ignorant versus willingly spreading hate and racism. Very different.
I think it's pretty laughable that we expect others to be aware of things that are more embedded in American culture, when most Americans can't even identify most other countries on a map let alone know anything about their culture. That's what I'm saying.
If she didn't learn from her actions and her ignorance, that's another story.
Listen I'm only going to say this once... Blackface is offensive point blank period. IT doesn't matter what culture you are in if you do black face you are being offensive and fueling a toxic act that has been used to humiliate black people for more than a century. Just because someone in Australia or China do black face does not make it any less offensive. That "well it's only offensive in america" argument is so stupid.
I'm sure it is offensive to African-Americans. That doesn't mean that someone in another country knows that.
When I was in Italy I gave someone a thumbs up and didn't know why they got mad at me. I was ignorant that it was offensive and learned better. Obviously this is on a much more serious scale but like I said, it's very ego-centric to expect people from other cultures to know our standards when Americans are some of the most ignorant and uneducated about other cultures.
You literally have multiple people on here still saying it is a known issue in Europe though... Like why are you even attempting to justify this?
I think it's pretty laughable that we expect others to be aware of things that are more embedded in American culture, when most Americans can't even identify most other countries on a map let alone know anything about their culture. That's what I'm saying.
If she didn't learn from her actions and her ignorance, that's another story.
Listen I'm only going to say this once... Blackface is offensive point blank period. IT doesn't matter what culture you are in if you do black face you are being offensive and fueling a toxic act that has been used to humiliate black people for more than a century. Just because someone in Australia or China do black face does not make it any less offensive. That "well it's only offensive in america" argument is so stupid.
I'm sure it is offensive to African-Americans. That doesn't mean that someone in another country knows that.
When I was in Italy I gave someone a thumbs up and didn't know why they got mad at me. I was ignorant that it was offensive and learned better. Obviously this is on a much more serious scale but like I said, it's very ego-centric to expect people from other cultures to know our standards when Americans are some of the most ignorant and uneducated about other cultures.
You literally have multiple people on here still saying it is a known issue in Europe though... Like why are you even attempting to justify this?
No... there are plenty of people saying they don't know about it. Of course Ester knew, she's woke. But Theo, etc didn't even know about it. Just because some people know about it because they're educated doesn't mean most people, especially reality stars, would know about it.
Bottomline: Even if Georgia isn't racist which is likely that she isn't her actions still offended a large group of people. MTV as a business needs to respect their fanbase feelings and do swift actions. IF it means banning Georgia I'm sorry to georgia fans but thats a small price to pay when you weigh it against the collective opinions of african american fans of the show.
fair enough...i am No fan of dee Or Georgia .
just ban Zach too..and maybe bananas
Bananas is very political with how he says things so it's hard to incriminate him with his own words(if you can dig up tweets that can incriminate him and prove me wrong please be my guest I'm not going to stop you lol)
Bottomline: Even if Georgia isn't racist which is likely that she isn't her actions still offended a large group of people. MTV as a business needs to respect their fanbase feelings and do swift actions. IF it means banning Georgia I'm sorry to georgia fans but thats a small price to pay when you weigh it against the collective opinions of african american fans of the show.
fair enough...i am No fan of dee Or Georgia .
just ban Zach too..and maybe bananas
Bananas is very political with how he says things so it's hard to incriminate him with his own words(if you can dig up tweets that can incriminate him and prove me wrong please be my guest I'm not going to stop you lol)
i remeber finding a bunch around final reckoning, and posting the to a challenge fb group (which i think i got banned from, not bc of this but bc i was fighting ppl in comments lol) they were from like 2010-2012 most of them racist 'jokes' ill see if i can find them bc i would be happy for him to be axed
I think it's pretty laughable that we expect others to be aware of things that are more embedded in American culture, when most Americans can't even identify most other countries on a map let alone know anything about their culture. That's what I'm saying.
If she didn't learn from her actions and her ignorance, that's another story.
Listen I'm only going to say this once... Blackface is offensive point blank period. IT doesn't matter what culture you are in if you do black face you are being offensive and fueling a toxic act that has been used to humiliate black people for more than a century. Just because someone in Australia or China do black face does not make it any less offensive. That "well it's only offensive in america" argument is so stupid.
I'm sure it is offensive to African-Americans. That doesn't mean that someone in another country knows that.
When I was in Italy I gave someone a thumbs up and didn't know why they got mad at me. I was ignorant that it was offensive and learned better. Obviously this is on a much more serious scale but like I said, it's very ego-centric to expect people from other cultures to know our standards when Americans are some of the most ignorant and uneducated about other cultures.
You literally have multiple people on here still saying it is a known issue in Europe though... Like why are you even attempting to justify this?
No... there are plenty of people saying they don't know about it. Of course Ester knew, she's woke. But Theo, etc didn't even know about it. Just because some people know about it because they're educated doesn't mean most people, especially reality stars, would know about it.
Right but you've generalized that most Europeans don't know what it is or what it means... So because a couple people on vevmo (congrats having methz in your corner) agree with you, that means that it's actually true that most Europeans aren't aware of it? Debatably racism is just as bad, if not worse, in parts of Europe than it is in the US so again I'm not really sure why you are trying to paint most Europeans as being oblivious to doing something wrong when they do that. Seems like they probably just care less. Let's not try to portray that as being blissfully naive.
Banana said enough in the show ..the Just edit huis stuff
he was calling chey chantel even after she said to stop it
If we got back to the days of The Ruins and ISland then yea we'd get a lot on him but that's just too long ago for people to actually care about right now.
I think it's pretty laughable that we expect others to be aware of things that are more embedded in American culture, when most Americans can't even identify most other countries on a map let alone know anything about their culture. That's what I'm saying.
If she didn't learn from her actions and her ignorance, that's another story.
Listen I'm only going to say this once... Blackface is offensive point blank period. IT doesn't matter what culture you are in if you do black face you are being offensive and fueling a toxic act that has been used to humiliate black people for more than a century. Just because someone in Australia or China do black face does not make it any less offensive. That "well it's only offensive in america" argument is so stupid.
I'm sure it is offensive to African-Americans. That doesn't mean that someone in another country knows that.
When I was in Italy I gave someone a thumbs up and didn't know why they got mad at me. I was ignorant that it was offensive and learned better. Obviously this is on a much more serious scale but like I said, it's very ego-centric to expect people from other cultures to know our standards when Americans are some of the most ignorant and uneducated about other cultures.
You literally have multiple people on here still saying it is a known issue in Europe though... Like why are you even attempting to justify this?
No... there are plenty of people saying they don't know about it. Of course Ester knew, she's woke. But Theo, etc didn't even know about it. Just because some people know about it because they're educated doesn't mean most people, especially reality stars, would know about it.
Right but you've generalized that most Europeans don't know what it is or what it means... So because a couple people on vevmo (congrats having methz in your corner) agree with you, that means that it's actually true that most Europeans aren't aware of it? Debatably racism is just as bad, if not worse, in parts of Europe than it is in the US so again I'm not really sure why you are trying to paint most Europeans as being oblivious to doing something wrong when they do that. Seems like they probably just care less. Let's not try to portray that as being blissfully naive.
We have examples of lots of Brits ON THE SHOW who don't know what Blackface is. That's the sample size we should be looking at, not Europeans in general.
Like I said, I'm sure there are plenty of Europeans who aren't as ignorant as our lovely reality tv stars here. But that's not who we're referencing.
I'm sure it is offensive to African-Americans. That doesn't mean that someone in another country knows that.
When I was in Italy I gave someone a thumbs up and didn't know why they got mad at me. I was ignorant that it was offensive and learned better. Obviously this is on a much more serious scale but like I said, it's very ego-centric to expect people from other cultures to know our standards when Americans are some of the most ignorant and uneducated about other cultures.
Agreed, which is why the history should be taught in k-12 schools. So everyone is aware.
Emily knew blackface was wrong before Camila painted her face. She LITERALLY asked if it was racist before they walked downstairs. If you have to ask, you shouldn't be ******* doing it.
Emily's situation is 1000% different in my opinion. I don't think her intentions were bad but she definitely knew what she was doing and it was completely unacceptable.
All 3 of those people are biracial as ****.... I'm quite SURE they didn't know. Did it ever come out of MY **** mouth that Georgia was racist? I seem to recall me saying I think she was aware of some things behind it, had to be knowing how prevalent it actually is over there but as I clearly said in 2 of my posts, some people there do it as a "paying homage" type of thing; the point was that NOBODY in here is about to tell me that blackface is just so unknown & taboo over there when I know for a good fact that it's not. Calm that shit down trying to tell me what I'm trying to do.
https://www.google.be/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-52937623
that is the Pm of Holland. Blackface is rather common in Holland. The movement against black pete only started 4-5 years ago.A lot of my White friends still Dont get iT is offensive. Even among our own community, we have people who participate with black pete. South Amerika Has the Same problem
And Yes off course you have the right to find this offensive as american
You guys should see how many people in the UK are furious that Netflix added the Black Lives Matter section
If you chalk up Georgias act to ignorance, where do you draw the line? Does that mean Dees incident should be chalked up to ignorance? Australia has a big issue with racism as well and theyre very comfortable in it, just like UK. I stayed with a family who made some uncomfortable remarks about aboriginals, and the they complained how theyre always "asking for more rights." according to one article: "There have been at least 437 deaths recorded since the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody ended in 1991. There have been at least five deaths since Guardian Australia updated its Deaths Inside project in August 2019, two of which have resulted in murder charges being laid.
The economist and Labor parliamentarian Andrew Leigh also published research last year that indicates Indigenous Australians are now more likely to be in prison than African Americans. The research shows that over the past three decades, the share of Indigenous adults in prison has more than doubled, from 1,124 per 100,000 adults in 1990 to 2,481 per 100,000 adults in 2018."
And from a black Americans perspective in Australia:
"Now let's be clear, as a person of color, if you can live in America and take on the systematic and blatant racism every day with your head held high, you can live anywhere. I've traveled to many colonized countries and one thing remains the same - they all suffer from the same history of colorism, the erasure of indigenous peoples, and racism. Australia is no different. While it's much more tolerable here than in America, it's still no different.
For example, what do you do when you're in a bar full of white Australians and Kanye West's "Gold Digger" comes on? Are you gonna fight the whole club because they're all yelling, "But she ain't **** with no broke n***a"? You know in your heart that the N-word in Australia doesn't have the same sting as it does if this was back home, but the American in you can't help but wonder how to react in moments like that.
Nonetheless, as a Black-American in Australia, we're viewed as exotic. We have an "accent," we dress different, and we carry ourselves in a different manner that makes us stand out. So, to no surprise, we're very well received here. And let's just be honest, American culture is black culture, and everyone loves black culture. Since traveling abroad, I've literally had people of all ethnicities tell me they wish they were black because we're "so cool." Oh, and once they find out I speak Spanish their minds are really blown. Then I have to school them on Afro-Latinos and how Spain forced Africans into slavery so many people in the Caribbean and South America look just like me.
Now that I've been here almost a year, I've noticed the black indigenous Australians (Aboriginals or Torres Strait Islanders), don't necessarily get the same treatment as I. They're often treated and stereotyped like how I would be treated and stereotyped in America. I mean, there was a time in the recent past where black Indigenous children were stolen from their parents and forced to live and reproduce with white Australians in order to breed out the black blood. Do yourself a favor and research The Stolen Generation. Australia's crime against humanity is no worse than America's. Although, recently while watching the news, I've noticed that it's typically the east Africans - the Sudanese and Ethiopians - who get a bad rap nowadays. "
Now I offer this information up to make you question where we draw the line for our tolerance of ignorance.
do we draw it at the intention? (Malicious vs innocent) do we draw it at the act they did? (Racist comments, blackface)
do we draw it at the fact that they come from other countries who dont share the same standards as us? Does it depend which country?
Do we draw it with how they grew up? ( emily growing up in a cult, or growing up in the south?)
i truly dont have the answers but just wondering what will be excused or what wont be.
does MTV have to have seminars on race and gender every season to ensure that these things dont happen?
Racism should be discussed at school, but ultimately, that is in the hands of parents. They are the ones who raise the children and are responsible of instilling the right morals and values to them. If the parents are uneducated, there are MULTIPLE ways of educating themselves. There is no excuse.
Bottomline: Even if Georgia isn't racist which is likely that she isn't her actions still offended a large group of people. MTV as a business needs to respect their fanbase feelings and do swift actions. IF it means banning Georgia I'm sorry to georgia fans but thats a small price to pay when you weigh it against the collective opinions of african american fans of the show.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28154211
This article that was at the bottom of the one you posted was 6 years ago & I'm "street-smart" enough to know that there's been discussions about it for much longer than that; we don't hear much about the so-called black presence in The Netherlands if we hear about them at all so whenever the media decides to talk about it is when it'll get coverage.
Talk your shit!!
fair enough...i am No fan of dee Or Georgia .
just ban Zach too..and maybe bananas
These white men need to be held accountable.
Someons brought up the Emily situation on BOE. The one thing you got to notuce is that while Camila was painting her face Emily nervously asks: "Is this racist?"
Emily obviously had to have some sensitivity to know tbat this can offend people which is why it was no excuse for her behavior.
In regards to Georgia im not sure.
How did Georgia respond to the claims?
Georgia's incident has plenty of evidence to support that she didn't know what she was doing or why it is offensive. Taylor (Cory's gf) on the other hand clearly had racist intent behind her tweets. Dee works for them currently and is in the middle of a cultural revolution where she should've known her "cute" remarks would not be tolerated.
There's a clear line to me. Someone who in the past did something who was unintentionally ignorant versus willingly spreading hate and racism. Very different.
You literally have multiple people on here still saying it is a known issue in Europe though... Like why are you even attempting to justify this?
No... there are plenty of people saying they don't know about it. Of course Ester knew, she's woke. But Theo, etc didn't even know about it. Just because some people know about it because they're educated doesn't mean most people, especially reality stars, would know about it.
Bananas is very political with how he says things so it's hard to incriminate him with his own words(if you can dig up tweets that can incriminate him and prove me wrong please be my guest I'm not going to stop you lol)
Abolish Stanning in 2020....dear god
Banana said enough in the show ..the Just edit huis stuff
he was calling chey chantel even after she said to stop it
i remeber finding a bunch around final reckoning, and posting the to a challenge fb group (which i think i got banned from, not bc of this but bc i was fighting ppl in comments lol) they were from like 2010-2012 most of them racist 'jokes' ill see if i can find them bc i would be happy for him to be axed
Right but you've generalized that most Europeans don't know what it is or what it means... So because a couple people on vevmo (congrats having methz in your corner) agree with you, that means that it's actually true that most Europeans aren't aware of it? Debatably racism is just as bad, if not worse, in parts of Europe than it is in the US so again I'm not really sure why you are trying to paint most Europeans as being oblivious to doing something wrong when they do that. Seems like they probably just care less. Let's not try to portray that as being blissfully naive.
If we got back to the days of The Ruins and ISland then yea we'd get a lot on him but that's just too long ago for people to actually care about right now.
We have examples of lots of Brits ON THE SHOW who don't know what Blackface is. That's the sample size we should be looking at, not Europeans in general.
Like I said, I'm sure there are plenty of Europeans who aren't as ignorant as our lovely reality tv stars here. But that's not who we're referencing.
Just saw a debat on the Colonial history and racism of my country.
Statues of people with dark history are getting destroyed, politician changing their tone, demonstrations
without the blm movement in America iT woulden’t be possible. For the first time i have hope that things will change here
so thank you my american friends
I feel like Bananas mocking the way Nelson talks on Final Reckoning had racial undertones ****. And thats recent..
Bananas and Vince mocking Cheynne 100% had racial undertones.
It did, Devin can be a ****** but i will always respect him for standing up for Cheyenne that day
How? I'm not arguing it's not, just curious cause I thought they were just saying she was irrelevant and boring.
i Just rewatched that scène on yt ..iT is even more bad than i Remembered
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