yeah apart from ashley, i think nelson and josh are her go-tos and from there she can integrate with the rest of bb and cory. i don't see her and fessy getting along at all so hopefully that'll stir some s**t up
Nelly and Amanda are closer than Smash and Amanda. They have been friends longer and known each other longer. Cory is more like Smash and Amanda and Nelly are more alike. Amanda is a ride or die. She knows Nelson is much more likely to take a bullet for her in the game if need be than ashley ever would.
amanda could've cemented herself as a bad ***** had she thrown in ashley & hunter instead of arguing
how would giving into Zach make her a bad *****? Quite the opposite. Her standing up to Zach makes her a bad *****.
On paper it does not look like he hardly has anyone but I mean facts are facts and he has made the past 2 finals. And rather easily I might add with hardly anyone wanting to say his name. Last season if you did not need to get a skull to get to the final I think he could of skated to the end without ever seeing a elimination.
realistically Amanda should've listen to Zach, in the end there was so many teams in the LL/TYB alliance that they'd be the first one they'd want out simply because Zach has no ties to them. Obviously this isn't what Zach would've been thinking but it would've helped Amanda in the long run to have a team have her back over every other team when it's kill or be killed near the end
amanda could've cemented herself as a bad ***** had she thrown in ashley & hunter instead of arguing
how would giving into Zach make her a bad *****? Quite the opposite. Her standing up to Zach makes her a bad *****.
On paper it does not look like he hardly has anyone but I mean facts are facts and he has made the past 2 finals. And rather easily I might add with hardly anyone wanting to say his name. Last season if you did not need to get a skull to get to the final I think he could of skated to the end without ever seeing a elimination.
realistically Amanda should've listen to Zach, in the end there was so many teams in the LL/TYB alliance that they'd be the first one they'd want out simply because Zach has no ties to them. Obviously this isn't what Zach would've been thinking but it would've helped Amanda in the long run to have a team have her back over every other team when it's kill or be killed near the end
lol oops muhhhh bad brodie. I quoted the wrong person. I will take this L fam.
exactly, if anything ZACH wouldve been the bad ***** had he voted how Amanda wanted to, considering her side was running the game...
plus tony and bananas were intolerable
and Zach looks even dumber throwing his game away in FR, only for this mf Bananas to try and throw him under the bus in WOTW.
He did it for Tony not John. And both were stubborn and wrong. Someone needed to be the better and smarter person and give in. Amanda didn't and we knew Zach wouldn't. They both got what they deserved
Nelson will do what Cory wants to do before anybody else, if he wants BB people out Nelson will want BB people out
I doubt Cory would want bb people out because apart from Nelson, who else does he have?
On paper it does not look like he hardly has anyone but I mean facts are facts and he has made the past 2 finals. And rather easily I might add with hardly anyone wanting to say his name. Last season if you did not need to get a skull to get to the final I think he could of skated to the end without ever seeing a elimination.
exactly, if anything ZACH wouldve been the bad ***** had he voted how Amanda wanted to, considering her side was running the game...
plus tony and bananas were intolerable
and Zach looks even dumber throwing his game away in FR, only for this mf Bananas to try and throw him under the bus in WOTW.
He did it for Tony not John. And both were stubborn and wrong. Someone needed to be the better and smarter person and give in. Amanda didn't and we knew Zach wouldn't. They both got what they deserved
Let's say Amanda gives in and Ashley/Hunter go home. Now it's more than likely that Bananas/Tony get to the final and probably win. Then you'd be preaching that Amanda should've stood her ground and it was stupid to not vote in Tony&Bananas as they were the strongest team. If somehow they don't make the final, Zach wins and steals the money from her so she still loses.
Either way, she loses realistically. It doesn't really matter. She made the right move for standing her ground against the misogynist imo.
Nelson will do what Cory wants to do before anybody else, if he wants BB people out Nelson will want BB people out
I doubt Cory would want bb people out because apart from Nelson, who else does he have?
On paper it does not look like he hardly has anyone but I mean facts are facts and he has made the past 2 finals. And rather easily I might add with hardly anyone wanting to say his name. Last season if you did not need to get a skull to get to the final I think he could of skated to the end without ever seeing a elimination.
Isnt that part of bb not saying his name though cause of Fessy though also ? Cory spent a lot of season also as a agent without a partner so he was immune to elimination. He did nothing last season to be honest.
Nelson will do what Cory wants to do before anybody else, if he wants BB people out Nelson will want BB people out
I doubt Cory would want bb people out because apart from Nelson, who else does he have?
On paper it does not look like he hardly has anyone but I mean facts are facts and he has made the past 2 finals. And rather easily I might add with hardly anyone wanting to say his name. Last season if you did not need to get a skull to get to the final I think he could of skated to the end without ever seeing a elimination.
Isnt that part of bb not saying his name though cause of Fessy though also ? Cory spent a lot of season also as a agent without a partner so he was immune to elimination. He did nothing last season to be honest.
Seems like "doing nothing" as you put it did him a lot better than having a hit list and making it known on dirty 30. You can't tell me that him always being a rogue agent and being immune for being able to be put in to elimination was not strategy at some point. He had to have a hand in some of that. It happened way to many times for it to be a accident.
exactly, if anything ZACH wouldve been the bad ***** had he voted how Amanda wanted to, considering her side was running the game...
plus tony and bananas were intolerable
and Zach looks even dumber throwing his game away in FR, only for this mf Bananas to try and throw him under the bus in WOTW.
He did it for Tony not John. And both were stubborn and wrong. Someone needed to be the better and smarter person and give in. Amanda didn't and we knew Zach wouldn't. They both got what they deserved
Let's say Amanda gives in and Ashley/Hunter go home. Now it's more than likely that Bananas/Tony get to the final and probably win. Then you'd be preaching that Amanda should've stood her ground and it was stupid to not vote in Tony&Bananas as they were the strongest team. If somehow they don't make the final, Zach wins and steals the money from her so she still loses.
Either way, she loses realistically. It doesn't really matter. She made the right move for standing her ground against the misogynist imo.
Ashley & Hunter needed to go home for her game. Not Zach's game. Her game. How does that make it more likely that John/Tony get to the end? She still would have had the numbers on that side. And no point would have ever have said Amanda was stupid for voting in Ashley especially after Invasion. Essentially your argument is Zach > Amanda so Amanda shouldn't even have showed up that season because Zach would have won money and she wouldn't have gotten anything.
For the record, I think they both share the money if they win.
At the end of the day, I'll never let go of the argument that Zach was the loser in that situation. If he gives in and gets to the final, he's a million dollars richer right now.
Amanda was leaving either standing up to the biggest misogynist of the show's history or she was leaving with a champ title and $0 richer and embarrassed like Hunter. She made the right move.
Ashley & Hunter needed to go home for her game. Not Zach's game. Her game. How does that make it more likely that John/Tony get to the end? She still would have had the numbers on that side. And no point would have ever have said Amanda was stupid for voting in Ashley especially after Invasion. Essentially your argument is Zach > Amanda so Amanda shouldn't even have showed up that season because Zach would have won money and she wouldn't have gotten anything.
For the record, I think they both share the money if they win.
How are Ashley and Hunter more detrimental to her game than Bananas and Tony?
Tony and Banansa could make the end because Amanda and Zach were winning all of the dailies which could have continued to shake up how the rest of the season played out and Bananas&Tony could potentially get to the end. That's just a hypothetical but if Tony and Bananas get to the final, they probably win.
Yes, I do think that she was doomed being partnered with Zach. The final was like 5 miles. You can't tell me he wouldn't smoke her, he's done way harder finals than that.
You honestly think they share? Shut the **** up KVM you're literally just talking out of your *** now lmao they hate each other, they both steal.
LMAO you can tell KVM with how ferociously he is replying back to everyone that he is riding high on that Tim Tebow signing with Jaguars news. He is FEELING himself.
Nelson will do what Cory wants to do before anybody else, if he wants BB people out Nelson will want BB people out
I doubt Cory would want bb people out because apart from Nelson, who else does he have?
literally every person from AYTO/RW? we were literally told CT reached out to him. Cory is one of the most well liked people on the cast now.
he's already said he wants Survivor BB people out because too many of them keep coming in already aligned
true but Cory also has reputation of sucking up th the older vets like bananas and ct. he's very likeable among the cast but for this season's cast, it might be better for him to align with bb + Nelson and Amanda than his ayto people
i don't see where this BB + Nelson/Amanda thing is coming from. it's overestimating Amanda's relationship with Josh. she likes him sure but not over the people she's known for years
its probably just me thinking about the other ways this season could play out if it doesn't become bb/survivor vs the rest of the house-which I don't think it will because there are so many rookies. If anything, I can see the bb alliance working with the ayto/RW vets against the rookies (depending on how the partners are paired of course). Also, Amanda seems to be extremely close to josh but I don't follow her or josh so I may have that wrong, even though she's much closer with Nelson.
Corys made his way into IT boy status, he's one of the go to Vets everybody goes to. he's easy to get a long with. he's got rookies making sure they follow him first as soon as they get contacted for the show.
he's turned into a social butterfly he wasn't when he first got here. it's made him very boring but he's locked in for end games now when before it was a toss up if he'd be out in the first few eliminations
Because Amanda and Zach were winning all of the dailies which could have continued to shake up how the rest of the season played out and Bananas&Tony could potentially get to the end. That's just a hypothetical.
Yes, I do think that she was doomed being partnered with Zach. The final was like 5 miles. You can't tell me he wouldn't smoke her, he's done way harder finals than that.
You honestly think they share? Shut the **** up KVM you're literally just talking out of your *** now lmao they hate each other, they both steal.
I do believe that. Zach couldn't have stolen it without being attacked on an entirely new level. I also don't buy the fact they hated each other
We've seen Zach dyin during a final but yeah Zach probably does better but they weren't going to let another guy take money from a woman IMO
I'm fine with the first part as long as it's hypothetically.
Corys made his way into IT boy status, he's one of the go to Vets everybody goes to. he's easy to get a long with. he's got rookies making sure they follow him first as soon as they get contacted for the show.
he's turned into a social butterfly he wasn't when he first got here. it's made him very boring but he's locked in for end games now when before it was a toss up if he'd be out in the first few eliminations
that's fine and all but he's going to stay getting 2nd/3rd until he can grow a pair again and target people who can beat him
LMAO you can tell KVM with how ferociously he is replying back to everyone that he is riding high on that Tim Tebow signing with Jaguars news. He is FEELING himself.
What? Tebow should have agreed to move to TE a decade ago--if he signs with the Jags it will have zero meaning
Because Amanda and Zach were winning all of the dailies which could have continued to shake up how the rest of the season played out and Bananas&Tony could potentially get to the end. That's just a hypothetical.
Yes, I do think that she was doomed being partnered with Zach. The final was like 5 miles. You can't tell me he wouldn't smoke her, he's done way harder finals than that.
You honestly think they share? Shut the **** up KVM you're literally just talking out of your *** now lmao they hate each other, they both steal.
I do believe that. Zach couldn't have stolen it without being attacked on an entirely new level. I also don't buy the fact they hated each other
We've seen Zach dyin during a final but yeah Zach probably does better but they weren't going to let another guy take money from a woman IMO
I'm fine with the first part as long as it's hypothetically.
Zach does not care how he is perceived. He thinks he's above public opinion. He would not split with Amanda and vice versa. We can agree to disagree but that is one of your most ridiculous hills you've chosen to die on yet lmao
Because Amanda and Zach were winning all of the dailies which could have continued to shake up how the rest of the season played out and Bananas&Tony could potentially get to the end. That's just a hypothetical.
Yes, I do think that she was doomed being partnered with Zach. The final was like 5 miles. You can't tell me he wouldn't smoke her, he's done way harder finals than that.
You honestly think they share? Shut the **** up KVM you're literally just talking out of your *** now lmao they hate each other, they both steal.
I do believe that. Zach couldn't have stolen it without being attacked on an entirely new level. I also don't buy the fact they hated each other
We've seen Zach dyin during a final but yeah Zach probably does better but they weren't going to let another guy take money from a woman IMO
I'm fine with the first part as long as it's hypothetically.
Zach does not care how he is perceived. He thinks he's above public opinion. He would not split with Amanda and vice versa. We can agree to disagree but that is one of your most ridiculous hills you've chosen to die on yet lmao
We can agree to disagree all you want but to think it's ridiculous is laughable. The whole Zach-Amanda hate each other nonsense is just that. She hated Jenna not Zach. They just played the game.
Cory's grown a lot which is nice to see. He's become nothing more than a confessionalist, if that. He's trying to secure this money for his family and by doing so he doesn't want to make massive risks that could lead him to that W, but he's backing out because it'll turn him into an obvious target. He needs to learn the sweet spot of doing both, sort of like how Kam does it.
Do you all really think that Cory would align with Devin/CT over Josh/Fessy? I just don't see it..... could be wrong tho
Cory is going to align with all of the above and let them duke it out and sit around in the background for the 3rd time in a row. He's not going to pick one side or the other.
Corys made his way into IT boy status, he's one of the go to Vets everybody goes to. he's easy to get a long with. he's got rookies making sure they follow him first as soon as they get contacted for the show.
he's turned into a social butterfly he wasn't when he first got here. it's made him very boring but he's locked in for end games now when before it was a toss up if he'd be out in the first few eliminations
that's fine and all but he's going to stay getting 2nd/3rd until he can grow a pair again and target people who can beat him
he's beaten pretty much all of the guys except CT. if he got CT out on DA he would have won lmao
i think with Ashley/Amanda/Nelson there it's clear who Cory will lean towards. it's like on FR where it was a no brainer for him. too many of his actual close friends are here
Because Amanda and Zach were winning all of the dailies which could have continued to shake up how the rest of the season played out and Bananas&Tony could potentially get to the end. That's just a hypothetical.
Yes, I do think that she was doomed being partnered with Zach. The final was like 5 miles. You can't tell me he wouldn't smoke her, he's done way harder finals than that.
You honestly think they share? Shut the **** up KVM you're literally just talking out of your *** now lmao they hate each other, they both steal.
I do believe that. Zach couldn't have stolen it without being attacked on an entirely new level. I also don't buy the fact they hated each other
We've seen Zach dyin during a final but yeah Zach probably does better but they weren't going to let another guy take money from a woman IMO
I'm fine with the first part as long as it's hypothetically.
Zach does not care how he is perceived. He thinks he's above public opinion. He would not split with Amanda and vice versa. We can agree to disagree but that is one of your most ridiculous hills you've chosen to die on yet lmao
We can agree to disagree all you want but to think it's ridiculous is laughable. The whole Zach-Amanda hate each other nonsense is just that. She hated Jenna not Zach. They just played the game.
Even if they don't hate each other, they don't like each other either. What incentive would Zach have to split? Because it's "nice"?
Casuals at the time hated Amanda, he would get praised for stealing if anything.
Corys made his way into IT boy status, he's one of the go to Vets everybody goes to. he's easy to get a long with. he's got rookies making sure they follow him first as soon as they get contacted for the show.
he's turned into a social butterfly he wasn't when he first got here. it's made him very boring but he's locked in for end games now when before it was a toss up if he'd be out in the first few eliminations
that's fine and all but he's going to stay getting 2nd/3rd until he can grow a pair again and target people who can beat him
he's beaten pretty much all of the guys except CT. if he got CT out on DA he would have won lmao
He's never beating CT so if he just floats again then CT is going to float too and he's going to get 2nd/3rd/4th whatever once again is my point lol
Because Amanda and Zach were winning all of the dailies which could have continued to shake up how the rest of the season played out and Bananas&Tony could potentially get to the end. That's just a hypothetical.
Yes, I do think that she was doomed being partnered with Zach. The final was like 5 miles. You can't tell me he wouldn't smoke her, he's done way harder finals than that.
You honestly think they share? Shut the **** up KVM you're literally just talking out of your *** now lmao they hate each other, they both steal.
I do believe that. Zach couldn't have stolen it without being attacked on an entirely new level. I also don't buy the fact they hated each other
We've seen Zach dyin during a final but yeah Zach probably does better but they weren't going to let another guy take money from a woman IMO
I'm fine with the first part as long as it's hypothetically.
Zach does not care how he is perceived. He thinks he's above public opinion. He would not split with Amanda and vice versa. We can agree to disagree but that is one of your most ridiculous hills you've chosen to die on yet lmao
We can agree to disagree all you want but to think it's ridiculous is laughable. The whole Zach-Amanda hate each other nonsense is just that. She hated Jenna not Zach. They just played the game.
Even if they don't hate each other, they don't like each other either. What incentive would Zach have to split? Because it's "nice"?
Casuals at the time hated Amanda, he would get praised for stealing if anything.
Where we disagree is Zach not caring about the perception of it. I don't believe for a second he keeps it and that's regardless of who his partner was. Zach has never taken ownership of any of the horrible statements he's made. He's always made excuses and made it seem overblown or an edit. I think Zach is a **** but he'd split it without hesitation IMO.
And, again, they were rigging that season for a woman to have a chance to steal money against a guy IMO so I'm not convinced the decision would have been Zach's
Zach does not care how he is perceived. He thinks he's above public opinion. He would not split with Amanda and vice versa. We can agree to disagree but that is one of your most ridiculous hills you've chosen to die on yet lmao
I think kvm's right. They both probably split. Zach cant go back to Cracker Barrel/Church/Hobby Lobby/NRA meetings etc having stole the money. And by his demeanor at reunion shows I think he does care about public opinion-- maybe just not the public you or I are accustomed to.
edit - Amanda said she woulda split the cash at the reunion iirc
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Nelly and Amanda are closer than Smash and Amanda. They have been friends longer and known each other longer. Cory is more like Smash and Amanda and Nelly are more alike. Amanda is a ride or die. She knows Nelson is much more likely to take a bullet for her in the game if need be than ashley ever would.
realistically Amanda should've listen to Zach, in the end there was so many teams in the LL/TYB alliance that they'd be the first one they'd want out simply because Zach has no ties to them. Obviously this isn't what Zach would've been thinking but it would've helped Amanda in the long run to have a team have her back over every other team when it's kill or be killed near the end
lol oops muhhhh bad brodie. I quoted the wrong person. I will take this L fam.
He did it for Tony not John. And both were stubborn and wrong. Someone needed to be the better and smarter person and give in. Amanda didn't and we knew Zach wouldn't. They both got what they deserved
On paper it does not look like he hardly has anyone but I mean facts are facts and he has made the past 2 finals. And rather easily I might add with hardly anyone wanting to say his name. Last season if you did not need to get a skull to get to the final I think he could of skated to the end without ever seeing a elimination.
Let's say Amanda gives in and Ashley/Hunter go home. Now it's more than likely that Bananas/Tony get to the final and probably win. Then you'd be preaching that Amanda should've stood her ground and it was stupid to not vote in Tony&Bananas as they were the strongest team. If somehow they don't make the final, Zach wins and steals the money from her so she still loses.
Either way, she loses realistically. It doesn't really matter. She made the right move for standing her ground against the misogynist imo.
Isnt that part of bb not saying his name though cause of Fessy though also ? Cory spent a lot of season also as a agent without a partner so he was immune to elimination. He did nothing last season to be honest.
Seems like "doing nothing" as you put it did him a lot better than having a hit list and making it known on dirty 30. You can't tell me that him always being a rogue agent and being immune for being able to be put in to elimination was not strategy at some point. He had to have a hand in some of that. It happened way to many times for it to be a accident.
Ashley & Hunter needed to go home for her game. Not Zach's game. Her game. How does that make it more likely that John/Tony get to the end? She still would have had the numbers on that side. And no point would have ever have said Amanda was stupid for voting in Ashley especially after Invasion. Essentially your argument is Zach > Amanda so Amanda shouldn't even have showed up that season because Zach would have won money and she wouldn't have gotten anything.
For the record, I think they both share the money if they win.
At the end of the day, I'll never let go of the argument that Zach was the loser in that situation. If he gives in and gets to the final, he's a million dollars richer right now.
Amanda was leaving either standing up to the biggest misogynist of the show's history or she was leaving with a champ title and $0 richer and embarrassed like Hunter. She made the right move.
How are Ashley and Hunter more detrimental to her game than Bananas and Tony?
Tony and Banansa could make the end because Amanda and Zach were winning all of the dailies which could have continued to shake up how the rest of the season played out and Bananas&Tony could potentially get to the end. That's just a hypothetical but if Tony and Bananas get to the final, they probably win.
Yes, I do think that she was doomed being partnered with Zach. The final was like 5 miles. You can't tell me he wouldn't smoke her, he's done way harder finals than that.
You honestly think they share? Shut the **** up KVM you're literally just talking out of your *** now lmao they hate each other, they both steal.
LMAO you can tell KVM with how ferociously he is replying back to everyone that he is riding high on that Tim Tebow signing with Jaguars news. He is FEELING himself.
its probably just me thinking about the other ways this season could play out if it doesn't become bb/survivor vs the rest of the house-which I don't think it will because there are so many rookies. If anything, I can see the bb alliance working with the ayto/RW vets against the rookies (depending on how the partners are paired of course). Also, Amanda seems to be extremely close to josh but I don't follow her or josh so I may have that wrong, even though she's much closer with Nelson.
Corys made his way into IT boy status, he's one of the go to Vets everybody goes to. he's easy to get a long with. he's got rookies making sure they follow him first as soon as they get contacted for the show.
he's turned into a social butterfly he wasn't when he first got here. it's made him very boring but he's locked in for end games now when before it was a toss up if he'd be out in the first few eliminations
I do believe that. Zach couldn't have stolen it without being attacked on an entirely new level. I also don't buy the fact they hated each other
We've seen Zach dyin during a final but yeah Zach probably does better but they weren't going to let another guy take money from a woman IMO
I'm fine with the first part as long as it's hypothetically.
that's fine and all but he's going to stay getting 2nd/3rd until he can grow a pair again and target people who can beat him
What? Tebow should have agreed to move to TE a decade ago--if he signs with the Jags it will have zero meaning
Zach does not care how he is perceived. He thinks he's above public opinion. He would not split with Amanda and vice versa. We can agree to disagree but that is one of your most ridiculous hills you've chosen to die on yet lmao
Do you all really think that Cory would align with Devin/CT over Josh/Fessy? I just don't see it..... could be wrong tho
We can agree to disagree all you want but to think it's ridiculous is laughable. The whole Zach-Amanda hate each other nonsense is just that. She hated Jenna not Zach. They just played the game.
Cory's grown a lot which is nice to see. He's become nothing more than a confessionalist, if that. He's trying to secure this money for his family and by doing so he doesn't want to make massive risks that could lead him to that W, but he's backing out because it'll turn him into an obvious target. He needs to learn the sweet spot of doing both, sort of like how Kam does it.
Cory is going to align with all of the above and let them duke it out and sit around in the background for the 3rd time in a row. He's not going to pick one side or the other.
he's beaten pretty much all of the guys except CT. if he got CT out on DA he would have won lmao
i think with Ashley/Amanda/Nelson there it's clear who Cory will lean towards. it's like on FR where it was a no brainer for him. too many of his actual close friends are here
Even if they don't hate each other, they don't like each other either. What incentive would Zach have to split? Because it's "nice"?
Casuals at the time hated Amanda, he would get praised for stealing if anything.
He's never beating CT so if he just floats again then CT is going to float too and he's going to get 2nd/3rd/4th whatever once again is my point lol
As long as Jeremiah Cory kelz or Nelson win I will be happy
Where we disagree is Zach not caring about the perception of it. I don't believe for a second he keeps it and that's regardless of who his partner was. Zach has never taken ownership of any of the horrible statements he's made. He's always made excuses and made it seem overblown or an edit. I think Zach is a **** but he'd split it without hesitation IMO.
And, again, they were rigging that season for a woman to have a chance to steal money against a guy IMO so I'm not convinced the decision would have been Zach's
I think kvm's right. They both probably split. Zach cant go back to Cracker Barrel/Church/Hobby Lobby/NRA meetings etc having stole the money. And by his demeanor at reunion shows I think he does care about public opinion-- maybe just not the public you or I are accustomed to.
edit - Amanda said she woulda split the cash at the reunion iirc
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