The Challenge : Spies, Lies and Allies (Spoiler Discussion) - Part 2

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The new generation of Big Brother players ruined that show and now they are ruining the challenge. 

The new generation of Big Brother players ruined that show and now they are ruining the challenge. 

kaycee and josh did but amber isnt to blame she added to this season. Fessy im on the fence as he really didnt need to be Dq this season plus he doesnt irk me as much as josh and kaycee do. I think fessy adds something love him or hate him.

Regarding the original comment that these BB players "ruined that show and now they're ruining the challenge", Kaycee and Fessy's season of BB was the best season in the last 10 years. Josh's, admittedly one of the worst ever. And anyone making the argument that Amber is somehow more entertaining/less boring than any of them... well that's nuts. Feel free to like her if you want, but that chick is both boring and fake. We see it as viewers, and the fact that the cast won't work with her tells you something about her actions when the cameras are off. At least be real about that. 

Regarding the original comment that these BB players "ruined that show and now they're ruining the challenge", Kaycee and Fessy's season of BB was the best season in the last 10 years. Josh's, admittedly one of the worst ever. And anyone making the argument that Amber is somehow more entertaining/less boring than any of them... well that's nuts. Feel free to like her if you want, but that chick is both boring and fake. We see it as viewers, and the fact that the cast won't work with her tells you something about her actions when the cameras are off. At least be real about that. 

Fessy and Kaycee's season being good had nothing to do with them

 

Regarding the original comment that these BB players "ruined that show and now they're ruining the challenge", Kaycee and Fessy's season of BB was the best season in the last 10 years. Josh's, admittedly one of the worst ever. And anyone making the argument that Amber is somehow more entertaining/less boring than any of them... well that's nuts. Feel free to like her if you want, but that chick is both boring and fake. We see it as viewers, and the fact that the cast won't work with her tells you something about her actions when the cameras are off. At least be real about that. 

Fessy and Kaycee's season being good had nothing to do with them

I disagree. They weren't the stars, maybe, but they both played big roles in the season and were very entertaining in their own ways. Fessy was hilariously inept, while at the same time not actually taking himself too seriously (it's weird compared to how ******* he can be now), and KC brought great energy and never gets the credit she deserves strategically. It was a great all around cast.

And BB 20 is not the best season in the last ten years, last 5 maybe but not last 10, 14 was way better and so was 16.

FOUTTE is probably the worst alliance in the history of BiG Brother and had 2 of the worst players in Fessy and Swaggy not to mention the ending was bad, only good things of that season were Haleigh, Baileigh and Tyler

And BB 20 is not the best season in the last ten years, last 5 maybe but not last 10, 14 was way better and so was 16.

FOUTTE is probably the worst alliance in the history of BiG Brother and had 2 of the worst players in Fessy and Swaggy not to mention the ending was bad, only good things of that season were Haleigh, Baileigh and Tyler

You did not just stick 16 in there and think no one would notice 

 

And BB 20 is not the best season in the last ten years, last 5 maybe but not last 10, 14 was way better and so was 16.

FOUTTE is probably the worst alliance in the history of BiG Brother and had 2 of the worst players in Fessy and Swaggy not to mention the ending was bad, only good things of that season were Haleigh, Baileigh and Tyler

You did not just stick 16 in there and think no one would notice 

Lol. Seriously. Way to instantaneously lose credibility in any BB conversation. BB16 sucks and has managed to pollute in some way/shape/form almost every seasons since, with the exceptions of 17 and 20. BB14 was good, but not better than 20. 

Also, the fact that FOUTTE was a ****** alliance or had dumb players doesn't mean they weren't entertaining. They were hilarious.

 

And BB 20 is not the best season in the last ten years, last 5 maybe but not last 10, 14 was way better and so was 16.

FOUTTE is probably the worst alliance in the history of BiG Brother and had 2 of the worst players in Fessy and Swaggy not to mention the ending was bad, only good things of that season were Haleigh, Baileigh and Tyler

You did not just stick 16 in there and think no one would notice 

16 had the perfect ending for who watches Big Brother for Gameplay Derrick Levasseur is one of the best players to ever play the game, that was a masterpiiece on how to play Big Big Brother, and one of the best alliances, loved that season, much more than 20.

 

 

And BB 20 is not the best season in the last ten years, last 5 maybe but not last 10, 14 was way better and so was 16.

FOUTTE is probably the worst alliance in the history of BiG Brother and had 2 of the worst players in Fessy and Swaggy not to mention the ending was bad, only good things of that season were Haleigh, Baileigh and Tyler

You did not just stick 16 in there and think no one would notice 

Lol. Seriously. Way to instantaneously lose credibility in any BB conversation. BB16 sucks and has managed to pollute in some way/shape/form almost every seasons since, with the exceptions of 17 and 20. BB14 was good, but not better than 20. 

Also, the fact that FOUTTE was a ****** alliance or had dumb players doesn't mean they weren't entertaining. They were hilarious.

Yeah for someone who watches Big Brother for a bunch of clueless people who don't know how to play the game sure itvwas great since the only good player on that season was Tyler, meanwhile 14 had great gameplay and great characters, Willie Hantz was memorable and a great flame out to watch not to mention Dan's masterplan 

I'm sad that Jenn City didn't win BB14.

16 was ok but not top tier, you coulda at least snuck 17 in there with queen vanessa russo

even bb 18 was better than 16 to me

Saying BB20 was the best in ten years isn't saying much when the bar is on the damn floor.

None of BB16, 19 or 20 are anything to write home about.

16 Derrick played a great game but the overall season was boring af and had awful Frankie pandering. 19 was the giant "Pauls cult" that included Josh. BB20 had some potentially good characters and started off to a good start but sizzled out quickly

 

 

And BB 20 is not the best season in the last ten years, last 5 maybe but not last 10, 14 was way better and so was 16.

FOUTTE is probably the worst alliance in the history of BiG Brother and had 2 of the worst players in Fessy and Swaggy not to mention the ending was bad, only good things of that season were Haleigh, Baileigh and Tyler

You did not just stick 16 in there and think no one would notice 

16 had the perfect ending for who watches Big Brother for Gameplay Derrick Levasseur is one of the best players to ever play the game, that was a masterpiiece on how to play Big Big Brother, and one of the best alliances, loved that season, much more than 20.

Derrick played a great game it's undeniable, but the season was boring as all hell and the cast was terrible 

Regarding the original comment that these BB players "ruined that show and now they're ruining the challenge", Kaycee and Fessy's season of BB was the best season in the last 10 years. Josh's, admittedly one of the worst ever. And anyone making the argument that Amber is somehow more entertaining/less boring than any of them... well that's nuts. Feel free to like her if you want, but that chick is both boring and fake. We see it as viewers, and the fact that the cast won't work with her tells you something about her actions when the cameras are off. At least be real about that. 

Fessy said lemme be sxc and iconic 

Changes need to save the show.

  • Spy trash gotta go.
  • Make the show fun, but also give us the petty drama. The show needs a mix.
  • Back to 60 minute episodes and shorter seasons. Shorter challenges, eliminations are necessary.
  • Josh, Devon, Kasi, & Tori HAVE to go.
  • Bring back vets like Theo, Kam, Davonne, Laurel, Tony, Dario, Georgia, Rogan, Silvia, Kailah, plus a couple All-Star personalities.
  • Bring in rookies with connections like from Love Island: Johnny M, Cely, Carrington, etc. NEW Big Brother and BB Canada personalities like Austin, Jed, Victoria, Este, Anthony. Survivor: Michele, Michaela and her friend Julia,  Lauren, Wendel, Kelley, Sydney.
  • A warm, tropical location with a house with good conditions. Give them more freedom. 
  • ... Dario.

     

    Maybe try Raphy lol. I always liked Dario, I thought he was funny and chill lol.

     

    Has there been any season where everyone left is so unlikable? (Other than amanda) I don't care who wins

    The Island, The Ruins, FR and War of the worlds 2 got backlash too about everyone disliking the majority alliance. Almost each of those seasons had the same story line just different ppl getting the hate.

    Right. That's what I was thinking as I was watching FR and WOTW 2. Have people forgotten the JEK years? Because they act like alliances and the numbers game is something new and so evil. lol.

    if Tori is on steroids and gets last in the final, i'll cackle for all of eternity

    That would make sense because don't steroids kill your endurance.

    Also one person who might be a good cast member is Emmet From the latest season of survivor AU

    Idk where to put this at so I'll just say it here. Olivia from Love Island season three hinted she got called for a competition show and said it's not Survivor so it's probably the challenge. I didn't think availability calls were going out

     

    Idk where to put this at so I'll just say it here. Olivia from Love Island season three hinted she got called for a competition show and said it's not Survivor so it's probably the challenge. I didn't think availability calls were going out

     

    Did Gamer mention the spin off show casting starts this week?

    Maybe shes talking about what gamer was referring to

    ANOTHER spin off ? Good god it's too much 

    Olivia? Lol why am I not surprised 

    If they casted correctly from Love Island, Big Brother Canada, and Survivor Australia this show could be great again...but they aren't that competent in production.

    If they casted correctly from Love Island, Big Brother Canada, and Survivor Australia this show could be great again...but they aren't that competent in production.

    I mean I'll say it till the day I die Emmet is Perfect for the show. is only 31, Is really good at challenges, Gave good Confessnials and he leaned into being the villain to almost cartoonish levels.

    you guys constantly complain about  the casting but this show has always had repeat casts, everyone is just crying about it now because its ppl you dont like 

    you guys constantly complain about  the casting but this show has always had repeat casts, everyone is just crying about it now because its ppl you dont like 

    Ppl always cry about this they did it in the island to Exes 1 with the repeats then again on War of the worlds 2 and now. The big issue with MTV is that they don't know how to rotate cast members through seasons.

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