I was behind a few episodes of DA, and I'm watching the one where Kyle breaks his finger.
Having another season Fessy is going to be so hard to watch....I really can't stand that dude. How the heck is he now in three seasons in row? I really hope he gasses out again during this final...
The fact that all these other people are getting blamed for what Dan did to Kellee is disgusting.
Yep.. Dan and the producers are responsible. However the players handled that situation need to be blamed on the producers.
Yup but fans dont see it that way, which is why we probably won't see missy despite the fact she'd bring a lot to this show. I've seen people more outraged with two women than the entire production team who sat by and did nothing while watching this happen.
The difference is that when you Google Missy name there is a lot of articles linking her to that incident, while nothing linking Tommy directly to it. Casting someone that was mentioned negatively on a similar scandal on another show to the point of having to apologize while they are getting fire from a similar scandal on their own network would be an extremely stupid move and adding more fire to their own *****.
Assumming Missy can be one of the missing pieces (which it's unknown) then it would hurt her chances if MTV look at the bigger picture and possible future backlash.
yikes that ayto situation getting picked up by national talk shows
It can have an snowball effect because there are similar allegations on atleast another season and there was also the whole thing with Shanley/Zak that I saw on one of her lives that she didn't like how MTV handle that whole thing behind the scene with her for one of the reunions
You can't forget the worst scandal. One viral tweet about that Tonya & Kenny/Evan situation is all it takes for some of those heads at the MTV office to get cut off.
I'm not sure if the Missy/Survivor 39 situation was properly explained but (as simply as I can put such a traumatic situation):
Kellee was sexually harassed by Dan after multiple instances of telling him she doesn't like being touched, even having conversations with production, and confiding in Janet who's one of her closest friends. Missy and another woman (Elizabeth) chose to take advantage of the situation and feed into it by telling Janet and Kellee that they're also uncomfortable around Dan and is inappropriately touching several female contestants. Kellee gets eliminated, and Janet confronts Dan about what the women are saying. Missy and Elizabeth then lie to Dan and say they've never said any of that, and gaslight Janet into thinking she misinterpreted something or is making it up for game purposes. Tommy's involvement is more indirect, as he essentially let allegations of Dan slide to further his game.
This is why names like Tommy and Missy floating around for TC37 is rather problematic and insensitive to sexual assault victims
I'm not sure if the Missy/Survivor 39 situation was properly explained but (as simply as I can put such a traumatic situation):
Kellee was sexually harassed by Dan after multiple instances of telling him she doesn't like being touched, even having conversations with production, and confiding in Janet who's one of her closest friends. Missy and another woman (Elizabeth) chose to take advantage of the situation and feed into it by telling Janet and Kellee that they're also uncomfortable around Dan and is inappropriately touching several female contestants. Kellee gets eliminated, and Janet confronts Dan about what the women are saying. Missy and Elizabeth then lie to Dan and say they've never said any of that, and gaslight Janet into thinking she misinterpreted something or is making it up for game purposes. Tommy's involvement is more indirect, as he essentially let allegations of Dan slide to further his game.
This is why names like Tommy and Missy floating around for TC37 is rather problematic and insensitive to sexual assault victims
I haven't seen that season so I can't say for sure what exactly should've happened here, but based on what you just said, why would Tommy act on these allegations? It's production's job to keep their contestants safe and to deal with these sorts of things. It sounds like he had zero direct involvement other than just continuing to play the game, as he should've.
Tommy will never be linked to that seasons scandal for the sole reason that no one remembers he was even there. The show didnt really highlight him, he was given confessionals that where what id call Kaycee confessionals, just there to show his face. to remind the audience he was still there. He was bland and showed no personality.
I dont need everyone cast to be messy, if they are focused more on the competitive side thats fine, but they still need an show some kind of enderning, likable personality so you can then cheer for them. which just judging for survivor alone, he doesnt have.
I was behind a few episodes of DA, and I'm watching the one where Kyle breaks his finger.
Having another season Fessy is going to be so hard to watch....I really can't stand that dude. How the heck is he now in three seasons in row? I really hope he gasses out again during this final...
They need to retire Hall Brawl or change it back to the original format from BOTS where the hall was shorter and they started at the ends.
It's getting super dangerous now. That longer hall gives the bigger players more momentum to basically runover people at full speed. Especially when people like Fessy have zero regard for the other player's safety and just bulldoze through. It's negligent. Someone's gonna get a spinal cord injury one of these days.
I was behind a few episodes of DA, and I'm watching the one where Kyle breaks his finger.
Having another season Fessy is going to be so hard to watch....I really can't stand that dude. How the heck is he now in three seasons in row? I really hope he gasses out again during this final...
They need to retire Hall Brawl or change it back to the original format from BOTS where the hall was shorter and they started at the ends.
It's getting super dangerous now. That longer hall gives the bigger players more momentum to basically runover people at full speed. Especially when people like Fessy have zero regard for the other player's safety and just bulldoze through. It's negligent. Someone's gonna get a spinal cord injury one of these days.
I 100 % agree. I kind of liked it in Free Agents when it was a horseshow - but it's not entertaining to watch at all anymore.
Tommy will never be linked to that seasons scandal for the sole reason that no one remembers he was even there. The show didnt really highlight him, he was given confessionals that where what id call Kaycee confessionals, just there to show his face. to remind the audience he was still there. He was bland and showed no personality.
I dont need everyone cast to be messy, if they are focused more on the competitive side thats fine, but they still need an show some kind of enderning, likable personality so you can then cheer for them. which just judging for survivor alone, he doesnt have.
Yeah. Tommy and Missy are very replaceable on this cast. There are other options for Survivors that have as much potential as them, and dont bring the extra baggage of Dan.
and its weird how aaron and missy are the most hated from their season when that cast as a whole was pretty bad lmao. but ofc the two black people take all the blame.
The Aaron hate was not justified or fair. He was racked over the coals for no reason. Missy and Aaron at least faced the fire too unlike the Olympic girl who ditched the reunion and hid. Aaron deserves a second chance and I'd love to see him on The Challenge too.
I was behind a few episodes of DA, and I'm watching the one where Kyle breaks his finger.
Having another season Fessy is going to be so hard to watch....I really can't stand that dude. How the heck is he now in three seasons in row? I really hope he gasses out again during this final...
They need to retire Hall Brawl or change it back to the original format from BOTS where the hall was shorter and they started at the ends.
It's getting super dangerous now. That longer hall gives the bigger players more momentum to basically runover people at full speed. Especially when people like Fessy have zero regard for the other player's safety and just bulldoze through. It's negligent. Someone's gonna get a spinal cord injury one of these days.
agree with this, they won't be satisfied til someone gets seriously injured and they are in the headlines....again
I was behind a few episodes of DA, and I'm watching the one where Kyle breaks his finger.
Having another season Fessy is going to be so hard to watch....I really can't stand that dude. How the heck is he now in three seasons in row? I really hope he gasses out again during this final...
They need to retire Hall Brawl or change it back to the original format from BOTS where the hall was shorter and they started at the ends.
It's getting super dangerous now. That longer hall gives the bigger players more momentum to basically runover people at full speed. Especially when people like Fessy have zero regard for the other player's safety and just bulldoze through. It's negligent. Someone's gonna get a spinal cord injury one of these days.
agree with this, they won't be satisfied til someone gets seriously injured and they are in the headlines....again
I also agree with both you (meant to put this in my original response) that it's just too dangerous now. That old saying 'it's all fun and games till someone gets hurt' fits this situation perfectly. Of course everything they do can have bad outcomes but this one is legit just asking for it.
I was behind a few episodes of DA, and I'm watching the one where Kyle breaks his finger.
Having another season Fessy is going to be so hard to watch....I really can't stand that dude. How the heck is he now in three seasons in row? I really hope he gasses out again during this final...
They need to retire Hall Brawl or change it back to the original format from BOTS where the hall was shorter and they started at the ends.
It's getting super dangerous now. That longer hall gives the bigger players more momentum to basically runover people at full speed. Especially when people like Fessy have zero regard for the other player's safety and just bulldoze through. It's negligent. Someone's gonna get a spinal cord injury one of these days.
Hall brawl is just a bad elimination where the bigger person is going to win almost every single time
they really should just fire Lauren not only because it's the right thing to do but she literally ******* sucks. all of their programming would gain something for her leaving
and its weird how aaron and missy are the most hated from their season when that cast as a whole was pretty bad lmao. but ofc the two black people take all the blame.
The Aaron hate was not justified or fair. He was racked over the coals for no reason. Missy and Aaron at least faced the fire too unlike the Olympic girl who ditched the reunion and hid. Aaron deserves a second chance and I'd love to see him on The Challenge too.
No, Aaron should have kept his mouth shut instead of inserting his opinions on a situation he wasn't 100% knowledgeable on and trying to turn it on Janet.
Missy shouldn't have even been considered for all the reasons above
Tommy shouldn't have been considered bc he's one of the worst winners in survivor history on one of the worst seasons
I am convinced these people who cast the show don't even watch Survivor or anything, just read their bios. The casting is atrocious, and anyoen who watched the show would not even have either of them on a list to come back.
and its weird how aaron and missy are the most hated from their season when that cast as a whole was pretty bad lmao. but ofc the two black people take all the blame.
The Aaron hate was not justified or fair. He was racked over the coals for no reason. Missy and Aaron at least faced the fire too unlike the Olympic girl who ditched the reunion and hid. Aaron deserves a second chance and I'd love to see him on The Challenge too.
No, Aaron should have kept his mouth shut instead of inserting his opinions on a situation he wasn't 100% knowledgeable on and trying to turn it on Janet.
It's tribal council, they are supposed to speak on topics. You don't know what he knew or was privy too.
I was behind a few episodes of DA, and I'm watching the one where Kyle breaks his finger.
Having another season Fessy is going to be so hard to watch....I really can't stand that dude. How the heck is he now in three seasons in row? I really hope he gasses out again during this final...
They need to retire Hall Brawl or change it back to the original format from BOTS where the hall was shorter and they started at the ends.
It's getting super dangerous now. That longer hall gives the bigger players more momentum to basically runover people at full speed. Especially when people like Fessy have zero regard for the other player's safety and just bulldoze through. It's negligent. Someone's gonna get a spinal cord injury one of these days.
Hall brawl is just a bad elimination where the bigger person is going to win almost every single time
True but CJ almost won it for his team before Zach got smart.
I was behind a few episodes of DA, and I'm watching the one where Kyle breaks his finger.
Having another season Fessy is going to be so hard to watch....I really can't stand that dude. How the heck is he now in three seasons in row? I really hope he gasses out again during this final...
fr? where omg
If this story is what puts some of those production members out of a job I'm all for it
. just saw the real post about it
The difference is that when you Google Missy name there is a lot of articles linking her to that incident, while nothing linking Tommy directly to it. Casting someone that was mentioned negatively on a similar scandal on another show to the point of having to apologize while they are getting fire from a similar scandal on their own network would be an extremely stupid move and adding more fire to their own *****.
Assumming Missy can be one of the missing pieces (which it's unknown) then it would hurt her chances if MTV look at the bigger picture and possible future backlash.
It can have an snowball effect because there are similar allegations on atleast another season and there was also the whole thing with Shanley/Zak that I saw on one of her lives that she didn't like how MTV handle that whole thing behind the scene with her for one of the reunions
You can't forget the worst scandal. One viral tweet about that Tonya & Kenny/Evan situation is all it takes for some of those heads at the MTV office to get cut off.
I'm witnessing the downfall of MTV......maybe 2021 won't be so bad
CBS next please
I'm not sure if the Missy/Survivor 39 situation was properly explained but (as simply as I can put such a traumatic situation):
Kellee was sexually harassed by Dan after multiple instances of telling him she doesn't like being touched, even having conversations with production, and confiding in Janet who's one of her closest friends. Missy and another woman (Elizabeth) chose to take advantage of the situation and feed into it by telling Janet and Kellee that they're also uncomfortable around Dan and is inappropriately touching several female contestants. Kellee gets eliminated, and Janet confronts Dan about what the women are saying. Missy and Elizabeth then lie to Dan and say they've never said any of that, and gaslight Janet into thinking she misinterpreted something or is making it up for game purposes. Tommy's involvement is more indirect, as he essentially let allegations of Dan slide to further his game.
This is why names like Tommy and Missy floating around for TC37 is rather problematic and insensitive to sexual assault victims
I haven't seen that season so I can't say for sure what exactly should've happened here, but based on what you just said, why would Tommy act on these allegations? It's production's job to keep their contestants safe and to deal with these sorts of things. It sounds like he had zero direct involvement other than just continuing to play the game, as he should've.
Tommy will never be linked to that seasons scandal for the sole reason that no one remembers he was even there. The show didnt really highlight him, he was given confessionals that where what id call Kaycee confessionals, just there to show his face. to remind the audience he was still there. He was bland and showed no personality.
I dont need everyone cast to be messy, if they are focused more on the competitive side thats fine, but they still need an show some kind of enderning, likable personality so you can then cheer for them. which just judging for survivor alone, he doesnt have.
They need to retire Hall Brawl or change it back to the original format from BOTS where the hall was shorter and they started at the ends.
It's getting super dangerous now. That longer hall gives the bigger players more momentum to basically runover people at full speed. Especially when people like Fessy have zero regard for the other player's safety and just bulldoze through. It's negligent. Someone's gonna get a spinal cord injury one of these days.
I 100 % agree. I kind of liked it in Free Agents when it was a horseshow - but it's not entertaining to watch at all anymore.
Yeah. Tommy and Missy are very replaceable on this cast. There are other options for Survivors that have as much potential as them, and dont bring the extra baggage of Dan.
They should've cast Dean in there at least he caused chaos and drama on his season. I don't get production's obsession with casting Survivor Winners.
The Aaron hate was not justified or fair. He was racked over the coals for no reason. Missy and Aaron at least faced the fire too unlike the Olympic girl who ditched the reunion and hid. Aaron deserves a second chance and I'd love to see him on The Challenge too.
agree with this, they won't be satisfied til someone gets seriously injured and they are in the headlines....again
or BB winners for that matter
I also agree with both you (meant to put this in my original response) that it's just too dangerous now. That old saying 'it's all fun and games till someone gets hurt' fits this situation perfectly. Of course everything they do can have bad outcomes but this one is legit just asking for it.
Hall brawl is just a bad elimination where the bigger person is going to win almost every single time
they really should just fire Lauren not only because it's the right thing to do but she literally ******* sucks. all of their programming would gain something for her leaving
No, Aaron should have kept his mouth shut instead of inserting his opinions on a situation he wasn't 100% knowledgeable on and trying to turn it on Janet.
Reminder that we're hopefully dodging a David Alexander bullet.
It's just the BB winners they have an obsession with.. Michele, Wendell, and Tommy are all replaceable to production.. just like Natalie was.
Especially when most of the time the BB winners are bland af
Missy shouldn't have even been considered for all the reasons above
Tommy shouldn't have been considered bc he's one of the worst winners in survivor history on one of the worst seasons
I am convinced these people who cast the show don't even watch Survivor or anything, just read their bios. The casting is atrocious, and anyoen who watched the show would not even have either of them on a list to come back.
It's tribal council, they are supposed to speak on topics. You don't know what he knew or was privy too.
I am so bummed we didn't get David! Hopefully for 38.
You think Tommy is bad casting but David is good casting...
True but CJ almost won it for his team before Zach got smart.
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