Who brought the fun: Veronica and Trishelle were the stars of their seasons they were on (Marie more so on Vendettas and FR but still Veronica was one of the few I was rooting for). Both came back and slayed in their first season back. Veronica WAS Dirty 30 and Trishelle performed well and was hilarious on Seasons. Shane brought it and made invasion (and 90% can't said a word, I was rereading his thread the other day cause I wanna bored and ya'll were singing his praises loke like no other). Brad, love him or hate him he created some drama. Darrell was great on invasion, and the stupid format made us lose him on Dirty 30 (and his tie with Nelson should have sent Nelson home on vendettas since he didn't beat him imo). Derrick didn't bring any drama, but the guy can compete well and knocked out bananas and thankfully showed how ridiculous Nelson is and got Nelson to kick himself off.
All of them have had amazing returns and added a lot to their seasons. Not to mention it gives us someone to root for lol <3
No those 2 girls weren't the stars of Battle of the seasons and dirty 30/vendettas/FR . I can name like 5 people gender from those seasons that brought more than them lmaoooo
Once again I am here looking which one of those dinosaurs brought any type of "fun" back since you use that word. You're just been biased because when it comes to this show you live on the past and you have a soft spot for them.
I really do make an effort to understand the opinions of others on here, I really do, but there is a pattern on here of people ignoring facts and not giving credit where credit is due when it comes to OG competitors. I've exhausted all other arguments so I'll turn to the numbers where there is no way to argue against.
Trishelle on Battle of the Seasons: Trishelle WAS a star of that show, this is not bias, this is not nostalgia, that is a fact. I'm not going to list of the great moments she contributed but I will list these two things.
1. She had the 3rd most confessionals out of any player on that season (There were 32 btw)
2. She had the most confessionals out of every woman, making her the breakout female star of the season, beating out certified confessional ***** Sarah
Veronica on Dirty 30: Not THE star, but A star, safely in the top 10 most relevant competitors of that season; (Jordan, Tori, Camila, CM, Tony, CT, Kailah, Jenna, Hunter, V) I again will not go over her iconic moments of this season, but will offer this;
1. In addition to a high confessional count, Veronica recieved more confessionals than anybody else for two episodes, meaning for those two episdoes she was the STAR and her story carried the most weight. To put that achievement into perspective, Jordan & Kailah only recieved the most confessionals for one episode a piece, something favorites like Banana, CT, Jenna, and Tony can't even claim. Veronica was more relevant on that seasons then Bananas and CT, that again is not bias, that is a cold hard fact. Also just to add, Darrell was the confessional king for the one episode he was in the main house.
2. From a competition standpoint, statistically Veronica was the 4th strongest female competitor of the season, only performing worse than the 3 ladies that made the final
I know I'm a broken record, but to be dismissive and deliberatly obtuse about what these "dinosaurs" have brought to the show is maddening. I get that I am clearly biased, but I also know that the majority of these people that talk out against OGs have not watched their original shows and have not been given the opportunity to become attached. Without that crucial context, arguments against them getting cast are largely unsupported. I also understand those that don't want people of a certain age on the show, thats fine, but then I expect those same people to call for CT & Bananas to retire b/c they are part of the same age bracket. You then can't make the argument "well, CT & Bananas are more relevant", if you hold FR and Vendettas against Veronica, I expect people to hold XXX and War of the Worlds against Bananas and CT.
CT and bananas are 100% more relevant since they've been made into faces of the show..... don't get me wrong they are awful and need to retire but lets not kid ourselves
You're confusing confessionals with actual content, it's easy to give a confessional, Jemmye usually gets a lot but it doesn't mean she adds a lot. Trashelle may have had confessionals but how many actual storylines did she get? Less than Sarah devyn Marie Nany Jonna hell maybe even sam.
Oh! 100% aware that CT & Bananas are faces of the show, I was trying to illustate why Veronica having a bad season shouldn't define her franchise worth, just like it doesn't for Bananas or CT. And I'm aware confessional counts aren't an be all end all but they are very important. To your point you have to consider the character of a confessional, are they talking about a story that applies to them or are they just narrating something for our benefit. Veronica is not and has never been a narrator, all of her confessionals were about storylines or matters that pertained to her so I stand by using her confessionals as an argument.
As far as Trishelle I don't remember seasons enoguh to defend her, but I will say people like Sarah and Paula built challenge legacies for themselves almost solely based on their ability to narrate so I think it is still a massive factor. I harped on confessionals b/c I thought at least people wouldn't be able to attack their worth if there were some hard figures in play T-T. Honestly, the OG hate is real and I am trying very hard to think of different ways to get people to accept their worth.
I think they need to cater to all the fans. They bring in so many boring worthless rookies, save one or two spots for an og. There's no way anyone can contribute less than Kaycee, Jenny, and even queen Nicole Bass. Literally no viewers would be lost by having Tina/Tori H/Kendal over a Zahida. Sexism though, they brought back OG dads but no OG moms.
You're confusing confessionals with actual content, it's easy to give a confessional, Jemmye usually gets a lot but it doesn't mean she adds a lot. Trashelle may have had confessionals but how many actual storylines did she get? Less than Sarah devyn Marie Nany Jonna hell maybe even sam.
I think they need to cater to all the fans. They bring in so many boring worthless rookies, save one or two spots for an og. There's no way anyone can contribute less than Kaycee, Jenny, and even queen Nicole Bass. Literally no viewers would be lost by having Tina/Tori H/Kendal over a Zahida. Sexism though, they brought back OG dads but no OG moms.
You realize the danger in this statement is the majority of fans don't care about old school players right? If they cartered to just the fans we'd see a season with only hall brawls lol
Queen Veronica not being eliminated via an elimination at all in her 3 seasons of a return <3
Those saying Trishelle was not the star of Seasons need to rewatch. ICONIC <3
This is definitely false hope on my part, but the fact that they put seasons 11 - 31 on CBS means more people will be watching more old school seasons and will be able to be introduced to more OG characters .. which might mean a bit more willing to cast them again <333333
Queen Veronica not being eliminated via an elimination at all in her 3 seasons of a return <3
Those saying Trishelle was not the star of Seasons need to rewatch. ICONIC <3
This is definitely false hope on my part, but the fact that they put seasons 11 - 31 on CBS means more people will be watching more old school seasons and will be able to be introduced to more OG characters .. which might mean a bit more willing to cast them again <333333
I dont need to rewatch to know she wasn't.
The fact that I can remember things that atleast like 12 of them did but I cant remember a single thing she did says it all.
Queen Veronica not being eliminated via an elimination at all in her 3 seasons of a return <3
Those saying Trishelle was not the star of Seasons need to rewatch. ICONIC <3
This is definitely false hope on my part, but the fact that they put seasons 11 - 31 on CBS means more people will be watching more old school seasons and will be able to be introduced to more OG characters .. which might mean a bit more willing to cast them again <333333
I dont need to rewatch to know she wasn't.
The fact that I can remember things that atleast like 12 of them did but I cant remember a single thing she did says it all.
I remember her quitting on Rivals 2(?) Like why people hyping her up?
as u nimrods are telling people that ct an bananas should retire, bananas won the last challenge (total madnes ) an ct won the challenge before banana title ( wof wars 2 ). comon mtv, lets retire the last 2 winners. people say some of the dumbest shit on here.
Who brought the fun: Veronica and Trishelle were the stars of their seasons they were on (Marie more so on Vendettas and FR but still Veronica was one of the few I was rooting for). Both came back and slayed in their first season back. Veronica WAS Dirty 30 and Trishelle performed well and was hilarious on Seasons. Shane brought it and made invasion (and 90% can't said a word, I was rereading his thread the other day cause I wanna bored and ya'll were singing his praises loke like no other). Brad, love him or hate him he created some drama. Darrell was great on invasion, and the stupid format made us lose him on Dirty 30 (and his tie with Nelson should have sent Nelson home on vendettas since he didn't beat him imo). Derrick didn't bring any drama, but the guy can compete well and knocked out bananas and thankfully showed how ridiculous Nelson is and got Nelson to kick himself off.
All of them have had amazing returns and added a lot to their seasons. Not to mention it gives us someone to root for lol <3
No those 2 girls weren't the stars of Battle of the seasons and dirty 30/vendettas/FR . I can name like 5 people gender from those seasons that brought more than them lmaoooo
Once again I am here looking which one of those dinosaurs brought any type of "fun" back since you use that word. You're just been biased because when it comes to this show you live on the past and you have a soft spot for them.
I really do make an effort to understand the opinions of others on here, I really do, but there is a pattern on here of people ignoring facts and not giving credit where credit is due when it comes to OG competitors. I've exhausted all other arguments so I'll turn to the numbers where there is no way to argue against.
Trishelle on Battle of the Seasons: Trishelle WAS a star of that show, this is not bias, this is not nostalgia, that is a fact. I'm not going to list of the great moments she contributed but I will list these two things.
1. She had the 3rd most confessionals out of any player on that season (There were 32 btw)
2. She had the most confessionals out of every woman, making her the breakout female star of the season, beating out certified confessional ***** Sarah
Veronica on Dirty 30: Not THE star, but A star, safely in the top 10 most relevant competitors of that season; (Jordan, Tori, Camila, CM, Tony, CT, Kailah, Jenna, Hunter, V) I again will not go over her iconic moments of this season, but will offer this;
1. In addition to a high confessional count, Veronica recieved more confessionals than anybody else for two episodes, meaning for those two episdoes she was the STAR and her story carried the most weight. To put that achievement into perspective, Jordan & Kailah only recieved the most confessionals for one episode a piece, something favorites like Banana, CT, Jenna, and Tony can't even claim. Veronica was more relevant on that seasons then Bananas and CT, that again is not bias, that is a cold hard fact. Also just to add, Darrell was the confessional king for the one episode he was in the main house.
2. From a competition standpoint, statistically Veronica was the 4th strongest female competitor of the season, only performing worse than the 3 ladies that made the final
I know I'm a broken record, but to be dismissive and deliberatly obtuse about what these "dinosaurs" have brought to the show is maddening. I get that I am clearly biased, but I also know that the majority of these people that talk out against OGs have not watched their original shows and have not been given the opportunity to become attached. Without that crucial context, arguments against them getting cast are largely unsupported. I also understand those that don't want people of a certain age on the show, thats fine, but then I expect those same people to call for CT & Bananas to retire b/c they are part of the same age bracket. You then can't make the argument "well, CT & Bananas are more relevant", if you hold FR and Vendettas against Veronica, I expect people to hold XXX and War of the Worlds against Bananas and CT.
CT and bananas are 100% more relevant since they've been made into faces of the show..... don't get me wrong they are awful and need to retire but lets not kid ourselves
You're confusing confessionals with actual content, it's easy to give a confessional, Jemmye usually gets a lot but it doesn't mean she adds a lot. Trashelle may have had confessionals but how many actual storylines did she get? Less than Sarah devyn Marie Nany Jonna hell maybe even sam.
Queen Veronica not being eliminated via an elimination at all in her 3 seasons of a return <3
Those saying Trishelle was not the star of Seasons need to rewatch. ICONIC <3
This is definitely false hope on my part, but the fact that they put seasons 11 - 31 on CBS means more people will be watching more old school seasons and will be able to be introduced to more OG characters .. which might mean a bit more willing to cast them again <333333
I dont need to rewatch to know she wasn't.
The fact that I can remember things that atleast like 12 of them did but I cant remember a single thing she did says it all.
Trishelle received bad intel on Sarah hurting her alliance and sat out a challenge. That's all she even remotely did. Oh, and she was outperformed by everyone in the final not named Devyn. I don't get the Trishelle hype at all
Queen Veronica not being eliminated via an elimination at all in her 3 seasons of a return <3
Those saying Trishelle was not the star of Seasons need to rewatch. ICONIC <3
This is definitely false hope on my part, but the fact that they put seasons 11 - 31 on CBS means more people will be watching more old school seasons and will be able to be introduced to more OG characters .. which might mean a bit more willing to cast them again <333333
I dont need to rewatch to know she wasn't.
The fact that I can remember things that atleast like 12 of them did but I cant remember a single thing she did says it all.
Trishelle received bad intel on Sarah hurting her alliance and sat out a challenge. That's all she even remotely did. Oh, and she was outperformed by everyone in the final not named Devyn. I don't get the Trishelle hype at all
MontanaGaveMeWine - perfectly stated <3
My one ally for the cause <3 btw I've always enjoyed our complimentary avitars lmao, you can't plan that ****!
CT and bananas are 100% more relevant since they've been made into faces of the show..... don't get me wrong they are awful and need to retire but lets not kid ourselves
You're confusing confessionals with actual content, it's easy to give a confessional, Jemmye usually gets a lot but it doesn't mean she adds a lot. Trashelle may have had confessionals but how many actual storylines did she get? Less than Sarah devyn Marie Nany Jonna hell maybe even sam.
Oh! 100% aware that CT & Bananas are faces of the show, I was trying to illustate why Veronica having a bad season shouldn't define her franchise worth, just like it doesn't for Bananas or CT. And I'm aware confessional counts aren't an be all end all but they are very important. To your point you have to consider the character of a confessional, are they talking about a story that applies to them or are they just narrating something for our benefit. Veronica is not and has never been a narrator, all of her confessionals were about storylines or matters that pertained to her so I stand by using her confessionals as an argument.
As far as Trishelle I don't remember seasons enoguh to defend her, but I will say people like Sarah and Paula built challenge legacies for themselves almost solely based on their ability to narrate so I think it is still a massive factor. I harped on confessionals b/c I thought at least people wouldn't be able to attack their worth if there were some hard figures in play T-T. Honestly, the OG hate is real and I am trying very hard to think of different ways to get people to accept their worth.
I think they need to cater to all the fans. They bring in so many boring worthless rookies, save one or two spots for an og. There's no way anyone can contribute less than Kaycee, Jenny, and even queen Nicole Bass. Literally no viewers would be lost by having Tina/Tori H/Kendal over a Zahida. Sexism though, they brought back OG dads but no OG moms.
Veronica did what the hell she had to do in Dirty 30. Non eliminated self lol
You realize the danger in this statement is the majority of fans don't care about old school players right? If they cartered to just the fans we'd see a season with only hall brawls lol
Queen Veronica not being eliminated via an elimination at all in her 3 seasons of a return <3
Those saying Trishelle was not the star of Seasons need to rewatch. ICONIC <3
This is definitely false hope on my part, but the fact that they put seasons 11 - 31 on CBS means more people will be watching more old school seasons and will be able to be introduced to more OG characters .. which might mean a bit more willing to cast them again <333333
How To Move On, Let Go & Leave Your Past in The Past (Powerful Speech)
I dont need to rewatch to know she wasn't.
The fact that I can remember things that atleast like 12 of them did but I cant remember a single thing she did says it all.
give it a break nimrod, thats a lot of og's to leave out. someone here wants a weak challenge.
I remember her quitting on Rivals 2(?) Like why people hyping her up?
Nostalgia is a powerful thing
Trishelle received bad intel on Sarah hurting her alliance and sat out a challenge. That's all she even remotely did. Oh, and she was outperformed by everyone in the final not named Devyn. I don't get the Trishelle hype at all
I think if casting was better now (or for the past decade) it wouldn't be as powerful.
Are we expecting a smaller cast this time or a large pool of alternates?
https://twitter.com/imljjones/status/1290318671265529857?s=21
Rogan's going to be in a movie so I think that means he's out for 36
PR, tell me please, for what reason do the producers not want Paulie to be in the new season?
He's an annoying and completely unstable try hard. They don't want a Ryan Jenkins lisbility on their hands.
it doesn't say when it's filming
Exactly a TRY HARD, i dont think he'll really do anything crazy he just acts hard for the camera
Paulie is calculated.
This is such a ridiculous comparison, even for Paulie.
It wouldn't be that shocking of a headline to me. The look in his eyes when Josh pissed him off on WOTW2 wasn't normal...
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