I think the champs used elims that the female winners won.Pole Wrestle - CaraMaria frm bloodlinesBalls In- Laurel frm FAKnot So Fast - Ash frm Seasons.but ugh I wish they had used like handcuffs again since Camila won that
It's insane that you people would prefer drunken antics and Ashley M continually threatening to leave than a tribute to someone who passed away(and I didn't even like diem on her challenges). Some of you are horrible people.
I think the champs used elims that the female winners won.Pole Wrestle - CaraMaria frm bloodlinesBalls In- Laurel frm FAKnot So Fast - Ash frm Seasons.but ugh I wish they had used like handcuffs again since Camila won that
pole wrestle variation( bananas in exes 2 twice, exes 1)
I think the champs used elims that the female winners won.Pole Wrestle - CaraMaria frm bloodlinesBalls In- Laurel frm FAKnot So Fast - Ash frm Seasons.but ugh I wish they had used like handcuffs again since Camila won that
pole wrestle variation( bananas in exes 2 twice, exes 1)balls in- bananasknot so fast- bananas :^)
well if they using elims bananas won I wish we woulda got CT and Darrell in wrecking wall it woulda been way more intense and I HATED that elim.
also Bananas never won Knot so fast. exiles are not elims lmao
flyguy wrote:I think the champs used elims that the female winners won.Pole Wrestle - CaraMaria frm bloodlinesBalls In- Laurel frm FAKnot So Fast - Ash frm Seasons.but ugh I wish they had used like handcuffs again since Camila won that
pole wrestle variation( bananas in exes 2 twice, exes 1)balls in- bananasknot so fast- bananas :^)
well if they using elims bananas won I wish we woulda got CT and Darrell in wrecking wall it woulda been way more intense and I HATED that elim.also Bananas never won Knot so fast. exiles are not elims lmao
not the point though. Both him and nany participated in a variation of knot so fast, two to tangle.
It's insane that you people would prefer drunken antics and Ashley M continually threatening to leave than a tribute to someone who passed away(and I didn't even like diem on her challenges). Some of you are horrible people.
flyguy wrote:I think the champs used elims that the female winners won.Pole Wrestle - CaraMaria frm bloodlinesBalls In- Laurel frm FAKnot So Fast - Ash frm Seasons.but ugh I wish they had used like handcuffs again since Camila won that
pole wrestle variation( bananas in exes 2 twice, exes 1)balls in- bananasknot so fast- bananas :^)
well if they using elims bananas won I wish we woulda got CT and Darrell in wrecking wall it woulda been way more intense and I HATED that elim.also Bananas never won Knot so fast. exiles are not elims lmao
not the point though. Both him and nany participated in a variation of knot so fast, two to tangle.
TJ made it clear that they would be playing eliminations that the past champs have won like wym it doesnt matter
i'm probably late to the party, just watched the episode.... shit ton of mainstream music, so uncharacteristic.... Bruno Mars, Madeon/Passion Pit, Kygo.... etc. etc.
Tbh, I wanted a 4 person final where last place gets nothing. There would be no guaranteed money-this would create competition based drama and suspense(the best kind of drama and suspense). Everybody would have butterflies in their stomachs, nobody would be entitled, with no layups. You slack, you get nothing, period.
But C'est la vie, it is was it is. I'm hoping this will be one of the best finals. We will see.
props to CT for opening up about the low point he reached in his life. he always seemed to me to be someone who kept personal stuff off-air and wanted to maintain a guise of infallibility. i can identify with him as a person much more now.
i'm probably late to the party, just watched the episode.... shit ton of mainstream music, so uncharacteristic.... Bruno Mars, Madeon/P***ion Pit, Kygo.... etc. etc.
Yes. It wasnt very entertaining listening to that slow *** song when CT was about to win. They made it so anti climatic it was obvious CT was going to win
i'm probably late to the party, just watched the episode.... shit ton of mainstream music, so uncharacteristic.... Bruno Mars, Madeon/Passion Pit, Kygo.... etc. etc.
right? it was so odd hearing actual radio music, as if this was the only episode to which they gave actual financial means
i'm probably late to the party, just watched the episode.... shit ton of mainstream music, so uncharacteristic.... Bruno Mars, Madeon/P***ion Pit, Kygo.... etc. etc.
Yes. It wasnt very entertaining listening to that slow *** song when CT was about to win. They made it so anti climatic it was obvious CT was going to win
felt like it was leading up to a super emotional Darrell confessional and in typical Darrell fashion it wasn't like that
It's insane that you people would prefer drunken antics and Ashley M continually threatening to leave than a tribute to someone who passed away(and I didn't even like diem on her challenges). Some of you are horrible people.
I have yet to watch these last two episodes lmaooooo I will eventually watch this current episode despite this tragic, heartbreaking loss but I don't think I can EVER watch that Laurel v.s. Camila ep. I don't even like Laurel but I respect her as a competitor & would've rather seen Laurel lose to ANYBODY but her.
I have yet to watch these last two episodes lmaooooo I will eventually watch this current episode despite this tragic, heartbreaking loss but I don't think I can EVER watch that Laurel v.s. Camila ep. I don't even like Laurel but I respect her as a competitor & would've rather seen Laurel lose to ANYBODY but her.
It was painful to watch that little illegal inmigrant midget beat Laurel, trust me. lol
I have yet to watch these last two episodes lmaooooo I will eventually watch this current episode despite this tragic, heartbreaking loss but I don't think I can EVER watch that Laurel v.s. Camila ep. I don't even like Laurel but I respect her as a competitor & would've rather seen Laurel lose to ANYBODY but her.
It was painful to watch that little illegal inmigrant midget beat Laurel, trust me. lol
JEKFAN wrote:idk why but I'm just not into this season anymore. I guess I just don't care for anyone really who is left except CT. I hope he takes home the title. But this is a boring *** group of finalists. Too many newbies.
Finals don't need vets in them to be entertaining. What's wrong with a final being full of proven rookies? But in this case there's literally only 2 people likable for me. Likability also has a big factor but to just say too many newbies makes you sound like someone from the FB group ;/. Reason why this final is gonna be boring is cause majority of them are so unlikable.
Having a mix of veterans and newer players is ideal. New people need to conquer the old to make their footing in the game. That's what makes for good competition and storylines.
No its not Ideal...at least not for me. I'd rather see a fresh crop of rookies in the final instead of old, tired *** veterans. Its more interesting if you ask me because I haven't seen it a thousand ******* times already. I feel like the people say that are too attached to the vets and won't be satisfied unless they're involved in everything regarding this show. I also don't think they need to beat the vets in order to have a place in the game..that's never been the case and it never will be theres no gatekeeper bullshit to this show and it doesnt make for better storylines either..I don't give a damn about old vs new. I care about new people taking over this show and moving forward with it. Bit thats just me.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with just about all of this. In anything competitive, there are the champs and there are the people who want to be champs. Having new people running around aimlessly because they're new doesn't really add anything and takes away from the novelty of being "new" in the first place. For new people to be a "fresh" face, there has to been an established face. And I think the people who mindlessly "stan" new people do that because they are a possible shot in the arm to the establishment. People might grow to get sick of people or teams that are there every year (the Patriots in football, the Yankees in baseball for a long time, whatever team LeBron is on in basketball), but they enjoy seeing those people and teams get beat a lot.So while you may be annoyed by the veterans, they are integral to the evolution of the game. The current veterans were new people at one point and the current new people will be veterans, some very soon. One of the reason I like The Challenge (and one of the reasons it's lasted for two decades) is that there is a tie between the current game and the old games. It's one of the few reality shows that h***tood the test of time due to that. One thing I liked about this season is that it allowed both veterans and newcomers to thrive. The format was messy in other ways (thought it was dumb the teams were uneven and thought it was dumb that elimination days were pre-determined -- though I'm guessing this was done to prevent a Gauntlet 3-type situation) but it did prevent it from being a situation where CT/Darrell/Bananas just gamed the rest of the field.You're very p***ionate about always being new, but is new really that "new" if there's no old?
Yes. They are still new despite the like of old. They are they debuting, on their 2nd or 3rd. They are fresh faces compared to the old that hae been on several seasons in a span of 7/8 years.
You missed my point. My point was that the novelty of being "new" fades when everything is constantly new every season. The fresh faces and attitudes aren't as fresh if there aren't veterans to contrast them against.
But that's not true. People can still be new without the vets. You're putting too much importance on the vets like a lot of people do.
And you are putting way too little importance. If anything, the veterans should present value to a someone who dislikes them like you simply by giving you someone to root against. Competition isn't nearly as compelling when you have no emotional stake in the winner or loser. That's why I'm cool with ******** like Amanda being on the show. I think she's pretty ridiculous in general and a bit of a try-hard (though not to the extent of Ashley in the last episode), but I like her on the show because she sparks conversation and interest. The vets do that and are a big reason why this show h***urvived as long as it has. Plus, it's interesting to see the evolution a lot of these competitors go through over the years.
Either way, we're obviously never going to agree on this. I would find your ideal show terribly boring and you don't like my mix of vets and rooks very much.
I have yet to watch these last two episodes lmaooooo I will eventually watch this current episode despite this tragic, heartbreaking loss but I don't think I can EVER watch that Laurel v.s. Camila ep. I don't even like Laurel but I respect her as a competitor & would've rather seen Laurel lose to ANYBODY but her.
JEKFAN wrote:idk why but I'm just not into this season anymore. I guess I just don't care for anyone really who is left except CT. I hope he takes home the title. But this is a boring *** group of finalists. Too many newbies.
Finals don't need vets in them to be entertaining. What's wrong with a final being full of proven rookies? But in this case there's literally only 2 people likable for me. Likability also has a big factor but to just say too many newbies makes you sound like someone from the FB group ;/. Reason why this final is gonna be boring is cause majority of them are so unlikable.
Having a mix of veterans and newer players is ideal. New people need to conquer the old to make their footing in the game. That's what makes for good competition and storylines.
No its not Ideal...at least not for me. I'd rather see a fresh crop of rookies in the final instead of old, tired *** veterans. Its more interesting if you ask me because I haven't seen it a thousand ******* times already. I feel like the people say that are too attached to the vets and won't be satisfied unless they're involved in everything regarding this show. I also don't think they need to beat the vets in order to have a place in the game..that's never been the case and it never will be theres no gatekeeper bullshit to this show and it doesnt make for better storylines either..I don't give a damn about old vs new. I care about new people taking over this show and moving forward with it. Bit thats just me.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with just about all of this. In anything competitive, there are the champs and there are the people who want to be champs. Having new people running around aimlessly because they're new doesn't really add anything and takes away from the novelty of being "new" in the first place. For new people to be a "fresh" face, there has to been an established face. And I think the people who mindlessly "stan" new people do that because they are a possible shot in the arm to the establishment. People might grow to get sick of people or teams that are there every year (the Patriots in football, the Yankees in baseball for a long time, whatever team LeBron is on in basketball), but they enjoy seeing those people and teams get beat a lot.So while you may be annoyed by the veterans, they are integral to the evolution of the game. The current veterans were new people at one point and the current new people will be veterans, some very soon. One of the reason I like The Challenge (and one of the reasons it's lasted for two decades) is that there is a tie between the current game and the old games. It's one of the few reality shows that h***tood the test of time due to that. One thing I liked about this season is that it allowed both veterans and newcomers to thrive. The format was messy in other ways (thought it was dumb the teams were uneven and thought it was dumb that elimination days were pre-determined -- though I'm guessing this was done to prevent a Gauntlet 3-type situation) but it did prevent it from being a situation where CT/Darrell/Bananas just gamed the rest of the field.You're very p***ionate about always being new, but is new really that "new" if there's no old?
Yes. They are still new despite the like of old. They are they debuting, on their 2nd or 3rd. They are fresh faces compared to the old that hae been on several seasons in a span of 7/8 years.
You missed my point. My point was that the novelty of being "new" fades when everything is constantly new every season. The fresh faces and attitudes aren't as fresh if there aren't veterans to contrast them against.
But that's not true. People can still be new without the vets. You're putting too much importance on the vets like a lot of people do.
I agree with DA. I see your point with the novelty of being new, but its a moot point when we have vets we seen countless times and seen what they bring to the table in terms of competiton and drama. A whole season of fresh faces is still fresh since we've never been expose to what they can offer. So I disagree with your point of a new face is new if its next to an old face. A new face is new since we haven't seen it; that's my counterarguement to you, berklonius.
Then the challenge turns into almost every other reality show out there. There are many reasons I like the Challenge (competition being a main one since I'm a sports geek) but one of the main drawing points for me is the continuation of old storylines and rivalries while integrating new ones. You're catching up with characters you recognize and feel like you get to know while at the same time adding new elements. It doesn't need an "all-star" season like Survivor or Big Brother do to wake you up -- it's able to do that every season without being that over-the-top about it.
Johnny Bananas is an annoying ****. I don't like it when he wins. But I do respect his gameplay and I do love it when that gameplay backfires and when he gets defeated. That makes for great TV IMO specifically because I do not like him. I guess I equate this show more to sports which is why I like the veteran concept along with simulatneously liking the concept of seeing newer people challenging that order. I don't like the New York Yankees, but I like people toppling them and beating them.
I'm not really looking to change minds here, just giving an alternate perspective. It's hard for me personally to build any sort of care about how these people perform if they're constantly shuttling in and out.
Then the challenge turns into almost every other reality show out there. There are many reasons I like the Challenge (competition being a main one since I'm a sports geek) but one of the main drawing points for me is the continuation of old storylines and rivalries while integrating new ones. You're catching up with characters you recognize and feel like you get to know while at the same time adding new elements. It doesn't need an "all-star" season like Survivor or Big Brother do to wake you up -- it's able to do that every season without being that over-the-top about it.Johnny Bananas is an annoying ****. I don't like it when he wins. But I do respect his gameplay and I do love it when that gameplay backfires and when he gets defeated. That makes for great TV IMO specifically because I do not like him. I guess I equate this show more to sports which is why I like the veteran concept along with simulatneously liking the concept of seeing newer people challenging that order. I don't like the New York Yankees, but I like people toppling them and beating them.I'm not really looking to change minds here, just giving an alternate perspective. It's hard for me personally to build any sort of care about how these people perform if they're constantly shuttling in and out.
I agree. It's the vets returning that makes me like the challenge so much. Even for Big Brother and Survivor i'm pretty sure most people love the returning players seasons the most.
JEKFAN wrote:idk why but I'm just not into this season anymore. I guess I just don't care for anyone really who is left except CT. I hope he takes home the title. But this is a boring *** group of finalists. Too many newbies.
Finals don't need vets in them to be entertaining. What's wrong with a final being full of proven rookies? But in this case there's literally only 2 people likable for me. Likability also has a big factor but to just say too many newbies makes you sound like someone from the FB group ;/. Reason why this final is gonna be boring is cause majority of them are so unlikable.
Having a mix of veterans and newer players is ideal. New people need to conquer the old to make their footing in the game. That's what makes for good competition and storylines.
No its not Ideal...at least not for me. I'd rather see a fresh crop of rookies in the final instead of old, tired *** veterans. Its more interesting if you ask me because I haven't seen it a thousand ******* times already. I feel like the people say that are too attached to the vets and won't be satisfied unless they're involved in everything regarding this show. I also don't think they need to beat the vets in order to have a place in the game..that's never been the case and it never will be theres no gatekeeper bullshit to this show and it doesnt make for better storylines either..I don't give a damn about old vs new. I care about new people taking over this show and moving forward with it. Bit thats just me.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with just about all of this. In anything competitive, there are the champs and there are the people who want to be champs. Having new people running around aimlessly because they're new doesn't really add anything and takes away from the novelty of being "new" in the first place. For new people to be a "fresh" face, there has to been an established face. And I think the people who mindlessly "stan" new people do that because they are a possible shot in the arm to the establishment. People might grow to get sick of people or teams that are there every year (the Patriots in football, the Yankees in baseball for a long time, whatever team LeBron is on in basketball), but they enjoy seeing those people and teams get beat a lot.So while you may be annoyed by the veterans, they are integral to the evolution of the game. The current veterans were new people at one point and the current new people will be veterans, some very soon. One of the reason I like The Challenge (and one of the reasons it's lasted for two decades) is that there is a tie between the current game and the old games. It's one of the few reality shows that h***tood the test of time due to that. One thing I liked about this season is that it allowed both veterans and newcomers to thrive. The format was messy in other ways (thought it was dumb the teams were uneven and thought it was dumb that elimination days were pre-determined -- though I'm guessing this was done to prevent a Gauntlet 3-type situation) but it did prevent it from being a situation where CT/Darrell/Bananas just gamed the rest of the field.You're very p***ionate about always being new, but is new really that "new" if there's no old?
Yes. They are still new despite the like of old. They are they debuting, on their 2nd or 3rd. They are fresh faces compared to the old that hae been on several seasons in a span of 7/8 years.
You missed my point. My point was that the novelty of being "new" fades when everything is constantly new every season. The fresh faces and attitudes aren't as fresh if there aren't veterans to contrast them against.
But that's not true. People can still be new without the vets. You're putting too much importance on the vets like a lot of people do.
I agree with DA. I see your point with the novelty of being new, but its a moot point when we have vets we seen countless times and seen what they bring to the table in terms of competiton and drama. A whole season of fresh faces is still fresh since we've never been expose to what they can offer. So I disagree with your point of a new face is new if its next to an old face. A new face is new since we haven't seen it; that's my counterarguement to you, berklonius.
Then the challenge turns into almost every other reality show out there. There are many reasons I like the Challenge (competition being a main one since I'm a sports geek) but one of the main drawing points for me is the continuation of old storylines and rivalries while integrating new ones. You're catching up with characters you recognize and feel like you get to know while at the same time adding new elements. It doesn't need an "all-star" season like Survivor or Big Brother do to wake you up -- it's able to do that every season without being that over-the-top about it.Johnny Bananas is an annoying ****. I don't like it when he wins. But I do respect his gameplay and I do love it when that gameplay backfires and when he gets defeated. That makes for great TV IMO specifically because I do not like him. I guess I equate this show more to sports which is why I like the veteran concept along with simulatneously liking the concept of seeing newer people challenging that order. I don't like the New York Yankees, but I like people toppling them and beating them.I'm not really looking to change minds here, just giving an alternate perspective. It's hard for me personally to build any sort of care about how these people perform if they're constantly shuttling in and out.
I'm saying don't have older castmembers. I'm just saying that we don't need older castmembers. There's a difference. They new faces come from RW/AYTO, with prexisiting relationships, and that can be pushed to the forefront of developing them
For example the underdogs team, With Shane excluded, there were stories for the fresh faces that have either debuted or been on a challenge no more than 4 times..
JEKFAN wrote:idk why but I'm just not into this season anymore. I guess I just don't care for anyone really who is left except CT. I hope he takes home the title. But this is a boring *** group of finalists. Too many newbies.
Finals don't need vets in them to be entertaining. What's wrong with a final being full of proven rookies? But in this case there's literally only 2 people likable for me. Likability also has a big factor but to just say too many newbies makes you sound like someone from the FB group ;/. Reason why this final is gonna be boring is cause majority of them are so unlikable.
Having a mix of veterans and newer players is ideal. New people need to conquer the old to make their footing in the game. That's what makes for good competition and storylines.
No its not Ideal...at least not for me. I'd rather see a fresh crop of rookies in the final instead of old, tired *** veterans. Its more interesting if you ask me because I haven't seen it a thousand ******* times already. I feel like the people say that are too attached to the vets and won't be satisfied unless they're involved in everything regarding this show. I also don't think they need to beat the vets in order to have a place in the game..that's never been the case and it never will be theres no gatekeeper bullshit to this show and it doesnt make for better storylines either..I don't give a damn about old vs new. I care about new people taking over this show and moving forward with it. Bit thats just me.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with just about all of this. In anything competitive, there are the champs and there are the people who want to be champs. Having new people running around aimlessly because they're new doesn't really add anything and takes away from the novelty of being "new" in the first place. For new people to be a "fresh" face, there has to been an established face. And I think the people who mindlessly "stan" new people do that because they are a possible shot in the arm to the establishment. People might grow to get sick of people or teams that are there every year (the Patriots in football, the Yankees in baseball for a long time, whatever team LeBron is on in basketball), but they enjoy seeing those people and teams get beat a lot.So while you may be annoyed by the veterans, they are integral to the evolution of the game. The current veterans were new people at one point and the current new people will be veterans, some very soon. One of the reason I like The Challenge (and one of the reasons it's lasted for two decades) is that there is a tie between the current game and the old games. It's one of the few reality shows that h***tood the test of time due to that. One thing I liked about this season is that it allowed both veterans and newcomers to thrive. The format was messy in other ways (thought it was dumb the teams were uneven and thought it was dumb that elimination days were pre-determined -- though I'm guessing this was done to prevent a Gauntlet 3-type situation) but it did prevent it from being a situation where CT/Darrell/Bananas just gamed the rest of the field.You're very p***ionate about always being new, but is new really that "new" if there's no old?
Yes. They are still new despite the like of old. They are they debuting, on their 2nd or 3rd. They are fresh faces compared to the old that hae been on several seasons in a span of 7/8 years.
You missed my point. My point was that the novelty of being "new" fades when everything is constantly new every season. The fresh faces and attitudes aren't as fresh if there aren't veterans to contrast them against.
But that's not true. People can still be new without the vets. You're putting too much importance on the vets like a lot of people do.
And you are putting way too little importance. If anything, the veterans should present value to a someone who dislikes them like you simply by giving you someone to root against. Competition isn't nearly as compelling when you have no emotional stake in the winner or loser. That's why I'm cool with ******** like Amanda being on the show. I think she's pretty ridiculous in general and a bit of a try-hard (though not to the extent of Ashley in the last episode), but I like her on the show because she sparks conversation and interest. The vets do that and are a big reason why this show h***urvived as long as it has. Plus, it's interesting to see the evolution a lot of these competitors go through over the years.Either way, we're obviously never going to agree on this. I would find your ideal show terribly boring and you don't like my mix of vets and rooks very much.
But here's the thing...The veterans aren't the only ones that can be rooted against, There's some newer peeps that I don't really care for...Like Amanda, and honestly most AYTO people. I don't need Bananas to be on this show for me to hate. Same with Camilla, CM, etc. Everything you're saying can easily be done with a new crop of people but you don't think that as you think the veteran are essential to the show and think they're the only ones that can bring what they bring. You don't vaule anything new when it comes to this show and IMO that's a stupid mentaility.
It's fine if you think that my ideas and what I want for the show is boring. I don't mind a mix of old and new...but that old better not be t he same ******* people that have been on 20 damn seasons of this show and they shouldn't take presedence over the new kids. The old vets had their time and fun. The vets are the past. New kids are the future.
JEKFAN wrote:idk why but I'm just not into this season anymore. I guess I just don't care for anyone really who is left except CT. I hope he takes home the title. But this is a boring *** group of finalists. Too many newbies.
Finals don't need vets in them to be entertaining. What's wrong with a final being full of proven rookies? But in this case there's literally only 2 people likable for me. Likability also has a big factor but to just say too many newbies makes you sound like someone from the FB group ;/. Reason why this final is gonna be boring is cause majority of them are so unlikable.
Having a mix of veterans and newer players is ideal. New people need to conquer the old to make their footing in the game. That's what makes for good competition and storylines.
No its not Ideal...at least not for me. I'd rather see a fresh crop of rookies in the final instead of old, tired *** veterans. Its more interesting if you ask me because I haven't seen it a thousand ******* times already. I feel like the people say that are too attached to the vets and won't be satisfied unless they're involved in everything regarding this show. I also don't think they need to beat the vets in order to have a place in the game..that's never been the case and it never will be theres no gatekeeper bullshit to this show and it doesnt make for better storylines either..I don't give a damn about old vs new. I care about new people taking over this show and moving forward with it. Bit thats just me.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with just about all of this. In anything competitive, there are the champs and there are the people who want to be champs. Having new people running around aimlessly because they're new doesn't really add anything and takes away from the novelty of being "new" in the first place. For new people to be a "fresh" face, there has to been an established face. And I think the people who mindlessly "stan" new people do that because they are a possible shot in the arm to the establishment. People might grow to get sick of people or teams that are there every year (the Patriots in football, the Yankees in baseball for a long time, whatever team LeBron is on in basketball), but they enjoy seeing those people and teams get beat a lot.So while you may be annoyed by the veterans, they are integral to the evolution of the game. The current veterans were new people at one point and the current new people will be veterans, some very soon. One of the reason I like The Challenge (and one of the reasons it's lasted for two decades) is that there is a tie between the current game and the old games. It's one of the few reality shows that h***tood the test of time due to that. One thing I liked about this season is that it allowed both veterans and newcomers to thrive. The format was messy in other ways (thought it was dumb the teams were uneven and thought it was dumb that elimination days were pre-determined -- though I'm guessing this was done to prevent a Gauntlet 3-type situation) but it did prevent it from being a situation where CT/Darrell/Bananas just gamed the rest of the field.You're very p***ionate about always being new, but is new really that "new" if there's no old?
Yes. They are still new despite the like of old. They are they debuting, on their 2nd or 3rd. They are fresh faces compared to the old that hae been on several seasons in a span of 7/8 years.
You missed my point. My point was that the novelty of being "new" fades when everything is constantly new every season. The fresh faces and attitudes aren't as fresh if there aren't veterans to contrast them against.
But that's not true. People can still be new without the vets. You're putting too much importance on the vets like a lot of people do.
I agree with DA. I see your point with the novelty of being new, but its a moot point when we have vets we seen countless times and seen what they bring to the table in terms of competiton and drama. A whole season of fresh faces is still fresh since we've never been expose to what they can offer. So I disagree with your point of a new face is new if its next to an old face. A new face is new since we haven't seen it; that's my counterarguement to you, berklonius.
Then the challenge turns into almost every other reality show out there. There are many reasons I like the Challenge (competition being a main one since I'm a sports geek) but one of the main drawing points for me is the continuation of old storylines and rivalries while integrating new ones. You're catching up with characters you recognize and feel like you get to know while at the same time adding new elements. It doesn't need an "all-star" season like Survivor or Big Brother do to wake you up -- it's able to do that every season without being that over-the-top about it.Johnny Bananas is an annoying ****. I don't like it when he wins. But I do respect his gameplay and I do love it when that gameplay backfires and when he gets defeated. That makes for great TV IMO specifically because I do not like him. I guess I equate this show more to sports which is why I like the veteran concept along with simulatneously liking the concept of seeing newer people challenging that order. I don't like the New York Yankees, but I like people toppling them and beating them.I'm not really looking to change minds here, just giving an alternate perspective. It's hard for me personally to build any sort of care about how these people perform if they're constantly shuttling in and out.
That happened a long as time ago. Too late for that.
JEKFAN wrote:idk why but I'm just not into this season anymore. I guess I just don't care for anyone really who is left except CT. I hope he takes home the title. But this is a boring *** group of finalists. Too many newbies.
Finals don't need vets in them to be entertaining. What's wrong with a final being full of proven rookies? But in this case there's literally only 2 people likable for me. Likability also has a big factor but to just say too many newbies makes you sound like someone from the FB group ;/. Reason why this final is gonna be boring is cause majority of them are so unlikable.
Having a mix of veterans and newer players is ideal. New people need to conquer the old to make their footing in the game. That's what makes for good competition and storylines.
No its not Ideal...at least not for me. I'd rather see a fresh crop of rookies in the final instead of old, tired *** veterans. Its more interesting if you ask me because I haven't seen it a thousand ******* times already. I feel like the people say that are too attached to the vets and won't be satisfied unless they're involved in everything regarding this show. I also don't think they need to beat the vets in order to have a place in the game..that's never been the case and it never will be theres no gatekeeper bullshit to this show and it doesnt make for better storylines either..I don't give a damn about old vs new. I care about new people taking over this show and moving forward with it. Bit thats just me.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with just about all of this. In anything competitive, there are the champs and there are the people who want to be champs. Having new people running around aimlessly because they're new doesn't really add anything and takes away from the novelty of being "new" in the first place. For new people to be a "fresh" face, there has to been an established face. And I think the people who mindlessly "stan" new people do that because they are a possible shot in the arm to the establishment. People might grow to get sick of people or teams that are there every year (the Patriots in football, the Yankees in baseball for a long time, whatever team LeBron is on in basketball), but they enjoy seeing those people and teams get beat a lot.So while you may be annoyed by the veterans, they are integral to the evolution of the game. The current veterans were new people at one point and the current new people will be veterans, some very soon. One of the reason I like The Challenge (and one of the reasons it's lasted for two decades) is that there is a tie between the current game and the old games. It's one of the few reality shows that h***tood the test of time due to that. One thing I liked about this season is that it allowed both veterans and newcomers to thrive. The format was messy in other ways (thought it was dumb the teams were uneven and thought it was dumb that elimination days were pre-determined -- though I'm guessing this was done to prevent a Gauntlet 3-type situation) but it did prevent it from being a situation where CT/Darrell/Bananas just gamed the rest of the field.You're very p***ionate about always being new, but is new really that "new" if there's no old?
Yes. They are still new despite the like of old. They are they debuting, on their 2nd or 3rd. They are fresh faces compared to the old that hae been on several seasons in a span of 7/8 years.
You missed my point. My point was that the novelty of being "new" fades when everything is constantly new every season. The fresh faces and attitudes aren't as fresh if there aren't veterans to contrast them against.
But that's not true. People can still be new without the vets. You're putting too much importance on the vets like a lot of people do.
I agree with DA. I see your point with the novelty of being new, but its a moot point when we have vets we seen countless times and seen what they bring to the table in terms of competiton and drama. A whole season of fresh faces is still fresh since we've never been expose to what they can offer. So I disagree with your point of a new face is new if its next to an old face. A new face is new since we haven't seen it; that's my counterarguement to you, berklonius.
Then the challenge turns into almost every other reality show out there. There are many reasons I like the Challenge (competition being a main one since I'm a sports geek) but one of the main drawing points for me is the continuation of old storylines and rivalries while integrating new ones. You're catching up with characters you recognize and feel like you get to know while at the same time adding new elements. It doesn't need an "all-star" season like Survivor or Big Brother do to wake you up -- it's able to do that every season without being that over-the-top about it.Johnny Bananas is an annoying ****. I don't like it when he wins. But I do respect his gameplay and I do love it when that gameplay backfires and when he gets defeated. That makes for great TV IMO specifically because I do not like him. I guess I equate this show more to sports which is why I like the veteran concept along with simulatneously liking the concept of seeing newer people challenging that order. I don't like the New York Yankees, but I like people toppling them and beating them.I'm not really looking to change minds here, just giving an alternate perspective. It's hard for me personally to build any sort of care about how these people perform if they're constantly shuttling in and out.
I'm saying don't have older castmembers. I'm just saying that we don't need older castmembers. There's a difference. They new faces come from RW/AYTO, with prexisiting relationships, and that can be pushed to the forefront of developing themFor example the underdogs team, With Shane excluded, there were stories for the fresh faces that have either debuted or been on a challenge no more than 4 times..
Not going to agree with that, which is fine. I like having older castmembers sprinked in -- having Shane and Darrell back this season was great and I thought it was cool how they integrated themselves with the newer players (especially Shane). And I'll be honest, I've never actually seen a full episode of AYTO and stopped watching Real World regularly years ago. I just don't have enough time to digest all of that and I cut it out of my "*********" list. Maybe that makes me a dreaded "casual" (even though I've seen every seen of the Challenge), but that's how I roll and might partially explain our disconnect. I'm fine with developing new characters, but I'm also fine with the characters that "hit" becoming key parts of the franchise.
The great thing about The Challenge is that you can have it both ways. Not sure why it's necessary to go heavy one way or the other. But to each their own -- makes for conversation.
JEKFAN wrote:idk why but I'm just not into this season anymore. I guess I just don't care for anyone really who is left except CT. I hope he takes home the title. But this is a boring *** group of finalists. Too many newbies.
Finals don't need vets in them to be entertaining. What's wrong with a final being full of proven rookies? But in this case there's literally only 2 people likable for me. Likability also has a big factor but to just say too many newbies makes you sound like someone from the FB group ;/. Reason why this final is gonna be boring is cause majority of them are so unlikable.
Having a mix of veterans and newer players is ideal. New people need to conquer the old to make their footing in the game. That's what makes for good competition and storylines.
No its not Ideal...at least not for me. I'd rather see a fresh crop of rookies in the final instead of old, tired *** veterans. Its more interesting if you ask me because I haven't seen it a thousand ******* times already. I feel like the people say that are too attached to the vets and won't be satisfied unless they're involved in everything regarding this show. I also don't think they need to beat the vets in order to have a place in the game..that's never been the case and it never will be theres no gatekeeper bullshit to this show and it doesnt make for better storylines either..I don't give a damn about old vs new. I care about new people taking over this show and moving forward with it. Bit thats just me.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with just about all of this. In anything competitive, there are the champs and there are the people who want to be champs. Having new people running around aimlessly because they're new doesn't really add anything and takes away from the novelty of being "new" in the first place. For new people to be a "fresh" face, there has to been an established face. And I think the people who mindlessly "stan" new people do that because they are a possible shot in the arm to the establishment. People might grow to get sick of people or teams that are there every year (the Patriots in football, the Yankees in baseball for a long time, whatever team LeBron is on in basketball), but they enjoy seeing those people and teams get beat a lot.So while you may be annoyed by the veterans, they are integral to the evolution of the game. The current veterans were new people at one point and the current new people will be veterans, some very soon. One of the reason I like The Challenge (and one of the reasons it's lasted for two decades) is that there is a tie between the current game and the old games. It's one of the few reality shows that h***tood the test of time due to that. One thing I liked about this season is that it allowed both veterans and newcomers to thrive. The format was messy in other ways (thought it was dumb the teams were uneven and thought it was dumb that elimination days were pre-determined -- though I'm guessing this was done to prevent a Gauntlet 3-type situation) but it did prevent it from being a situation where CT/Darrell/Bananas just gamed the rest of the field.You're very p***ionate about always being new, but is new really that "new" if there's no old?
Yes. They are still new despite the like of old. They are they debuting, on their 2nd or 3rd. They are fresh faces compared to the old that hae been on several seasons in a span of 7/8 years.
You missed my point. My point was that the novelty of being "new" fades when everything is constantly new every season. The fresh faces and attitudes aren't as fresh if there aren't veterans to contrast them against.
But that's not true. People can still be new without the vets. You're putting too much importance on the vets like a lot of people do.
I agree with DA. I see your point with the novelty of being new, but its a moot point when we have vets we seen countless times and seen what they bring to the table in terms of competiton and drama. A whole season of fresh faces is still fresh since we've never been expose to what they can offer. So I disagree with your point of a new face is new if its next to an old face. A new face is new since we haven't seen it; that's my counterarguement to you, berklonius.
Then the challenge turns into almost every other reality show out there. There are many reasons I like the Challenge (competition being a main one since I'm a sports geek) but one of the main drawing points for me is the continuation of old storylines and rivalries while integrating new ones. You're catching up with characters you recognize and feel like you get to know while at the same time adding new elements. It doesn't need an "all-star" season like Survivor or Big Brother do to wake you up -- it's able to do that every season without being that over-the-top about it.Johnny Bananas is an annoying ****. I don't like it when he wins. But I do respect his gameplay and I do love it when that gameplay backfires and when he gets defeated. That makes for great TV IMO specifically because I do not like him. I guess I equate this show more to sports which is why I like the veteran concept along with simulatneously liking the concept of seeing newer people challenging that order. I don't like the New York Yankees, but I like people toppling them and beating them.I'm not really looking to change minds here, just giving an alternate perspective. It's hard for me personally to build any sort of care about how these people perform if they're constantly shuttling in and out.
That happened a long as time ago. Too late for that.
Nah. If anything you've seen more shows gravitate toward it than vice versa.
JEKFAN wrote:idk why but I'm just not into this season anymore. I guess I just don't care for anyone really who is left except CT. I hope he takes home the title. But this is a boring *** group of finalists. Too many newbies.
Finals don't need vets in them to be entertaining. What's wrong with a final being full of proven rookies? But in this case there's literally only 2 people likable for me. Likability also has a big factor but to just say too many newbies makes you sound like someone from the FB group ;/. Reason why this final is gonna be boring is cause majority of them are so unlikable.
Having a mix of veterans and newer players is ideal. New people need to conquer the old to make their footing in the game. That's what makes for good competition and storylines.
No its not Ideal...at least not for me. I'd rather see a fresh crop of rookies in the final instead of old, tired *** veterans. Its more interesting if you ask me because I haven't seen it a thousand ******* times already. I feel like the people say that are too attached to the vets and won't be satisfied unless they're involved in everything regarding this show. I also don't think they need to beat the vets in order to have a place in the game..that's never been the case and it never will be theres no gatekeeper bullshit to this show and it doesnt make for better storylines either..I don't give a damn about old vs new. I care about new people taking over this show and moving forward with it. Bit thats just me.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with just about all of this. In anything competitive, there are the champs and there are the people who want to be champs. Having new people running around aimlessly because they're new doesn't really add anything and takes away from the novelty of being "new" in the first place. For new people to be a "fresh" face, there has to been an established face. And I think the people who mindlessly "stan" new people do that because they are a possible shot in the arm to the establishment. People might grow to get sick of people or teams that are there every year (the Patriots in football, the Yankees in baseball for a long time, whatever team LeBron is on in basketball), but they enjoy seeing those people and teams get beat a lot.So while you may be annoyed by the veterans, they are integral to the evolution of the game. The current veterans were new people at one point and the current new people will be veterans, some very soon. One of the reason I like The Challenge (and one of the reasons it's lasted for two decades) is that there is a tie between the current game and the old games. It's one of the few reality shows that h***tood the test of time due to that. One thing I liked about this season is that it allowed both veterans and newcomers to thrive. The format was messy in other ways (thought it was dumb the teams were uneven and thought it was dumb that elimination days were pre-determined -- though I'm guessing this was done to prevent a Gauntlet 3-type situation) but it did prevent it from being a situation where CT/Darrell/Bananas just gamed the rest of the field.You're very p***ionate about always being new, but is new really that "new" if there's no old?
Yes. They are still new despite the like of old. They are they debuting, on their 2nd or 3rd. They are fresh faces compared to the old that hae been on several seasons in a span of 7/8 years.
You missed my point. My point was that the novelty of being "new" fades when everything is constantly new every season. The fresh faces and attitudes aren't as fresh if there aren't veterans to contrast them against.
But that's not true. People can still be new without the vets. You're putting too much importance on the vets like a lot of people do.
I agree with DA. I see your point with the novelty of being new, but its a moot point when we have vets we seen countless times and seen what they bring to the table in terms of competiton and drama. A whole season of fresh faces is still fresh since we've never been expose to what they can offer. So I disagree with your point of a new face is new if its next to an old face. A new face is new since we haven't seen it; that's my counterarguement to you, berklonius.
Then the challenge turns into almost every other reality show out there. There are many reasons I like the Challenge (competition being a main one since I'm a sports geek) but one of the main drawing points for me is the continuation of old storylines and rivalries while integrating new ones. You're catching up with characters you recognize and feel like you get to know while at the same time adding new elements. It doesn't need an "all-star" season like Survivor or Big Brother do to wake you up -- it's able to do that every season without being that over-the-top about it.Johnny Bananas is an annoying ****. I don't like it when he wins. But I do respect his gameplay and I do love it when that gameplay backfires and when he gets defeated. That makes for great TV IMO specifically because I do not like him. I guess I equate this show more to sports which is why I like the veteran concept along with simulatneously liking the concept of seeing newer people challenging that order. I don't like the New York Yankees, but I like people toppling them and beating them.I'm not really looking to change minds here, just giving an alternate perspective. It's hard for me personally to build any sort of care about how these people perform if they're constantly shuttling in and out.
I'm saying don't have older castmembers. I'm just saying that we don't need older castmembers. There's a difference. They new faces come from RW/AYTO, with prexisiting relationships, and that can be pushed to the forefront of developing themFor example the underdogs team, With Shane excluded, there were stories for the fresh faces that have either debuted or been on a challenge no more than 4 times..
I think the champs used elims that the female winners won.
Pole Wrestle - CaraMaria frm bloodlines
Balls In- Laurel frm FA
Knot So Fast - Ash frm Seasons.
but ugh I wish they had used like handcuffs again since Camila won that
You're a genius. I did not realize that.
It's insane that you people would prefer drunken antics and Ashley M continually threatening to leave than a tribute to someone who passed away(and I didn't even like diem on her challenges). Some of you are horrible people.
pole wrestle variation( bananas in exes 2 twice, exes 1)
balls in- bananas
knot so fast- bananas
:^)
well if they using elims bananas won I wish we woulda got CT and Darrell in wrecking wall it woulda been way more intense and I HATED that elim.
also Bananas never won Knot so fast. exiles are not elims lmao
not the point though. Both him and nany participated in a variation of knot so fast, two to tangle.
But those females won that season.
TJ made it clear that they would be playing eliminations that the past champs have won like wym it doesnt matter
i'm probably late to the party, just watched the episode.... shit ton of mainstream music, so uncharacteristic.... Bruno Mars, Madeon/Passion Pit, Kygo.... etc. etc.
Tbh, I wanted a 4 person final where last place gets nothing. There would be no guaranteed money-this would create competition based drama and suspense(the best kind of drama and suspense). Everybody would have butterflies in their stomachs, nobody would be entitled, with no layups. You slack, you get nothing, period.
But C'est la vie, it is was it is. I'm hoping this will be one of the best finals. We will see.
props to CT for opening up about the low point he reached in his life. he always seemed to me to be someone who kept personal stuff off-air and wanted to maintain a guise of infallibility. i can identify with him as a person much more now.
Yes. It wasnt very entertaining listening to that slow *** song when CT was about to win. They made it so anti climatic it was obvious CT was going to win
right? it was so odd hearing actual radio music, as if this was the only episode to which they gave actual financial means
felt like it was leading up to a super emotional Darrell confessional and in typical Darrell fashion it wasn't like that
I prefer neither honestly.
I have yet to watch these last two episodes lmaooooo I will eventually watch this current episode despite this tragic, heartbreaking loss but I don't think I can EVER watch that Laurel v.s. Camila ep. I don't even like Laurel but I respect her as a competitor & would've rather seen Laurel lose to ANYBODY but her.
It was painful to watch that little illegal inmigrant midget beat Laurel, trust me. lol
I skipped from CT's win to the start of the final. Anything important I missed?
And you are putting way too little importance. If anything, the veterans should present value to a someone who dislikes them like you simply by giving you someone to root against. Competition isn't nearly as compelling when you have no emotional stake in the winner or loser. That's why I'm cool with ******** like Amanda being on the show. I think she's pretty ridiculous in general and a bit of a try-hard (though not to the extent of Ashley in the last episode), but I like her on the show because she sparks conversation and interest. The vets do that and are a big reason why this show h***urvived as long as it has. Plus, it's interesting to see the evolution a lot of these competitors go through over the years.
Either way, we're obviously never going to agree on this. I would find your ideal show terribly boring and you don't like my mix of vets and rooks very much.
Same!
Then the challenge turns into almost every other reality show out there. There are many reasons I like the Challenge (competition being a main one since I'm a sports geek) but one of the main drawing points for me is the continuation of old storylines and rivalries while integrating new ones. You're catching up with characters you recognize and feel like you get to know while at the same time adding new elements. It doesn't need an "all-star" season like Survivor or Big Brother do to wake you up -- it's able to do that every season without being that over-the-top about it.
Johnny Bananas is an annoying ****. I don't like it when he wins. But I do respect his gameplay and I do love it when that gameplay backfires and when he gets defeated. That makes for great TV IMO specifically because I do not like him. I guess I equate this show more to sports which is why I like the veteran concept along with simulatneously liking the concept of seeing newer people challenging that order. I don't like the New York Yankees, but I like people toppling them and beating them.
I'm not really looking to change minds here, just giving an alternate perspective. It's hard for me personally to build any sort of care about how these people perform if they're constantly shuttling in and out.
I agree. It's the vets returning that makes me like the challenge so much. Even for Big Brother and Survivor i'm pretty sure most people love the returning players seasons the most.
I'm saying don't have older castmembers. I'm just saying that we don't need older castmembers. There's a difference. They new faces come from RW/AYTO, with prexisiting relationships, and that can be pushed to the forefront of developing them
For example the underdogs team, With Shane excluded, there were stories for the fresh faces that have either debuted or been on a challenge no more than 4 times..
But here's the thing...The veterans aren't the only ones that can be rooted against, There's some newer peeps that I don't really care for...Like Amanda, and honestly most AYTO people. I don't need Bananas to be on this show for me to hate. Same with Camilla, CM, etc. Everything you're saying can easily be done with a new crop of people but you don't think that as you think the veteran are essential to the show and think they're the only ones that can bring what they bring. You don't vaule anything new when it comes to this show and IMO that's a stupid mentaility.
It's fine if you think that my ideas and what I want for the show is boring. I don't mind a mix of old and new...but that old better not be t he same ******* people that have been on 20 damn seasons of this show and they shouldn't take presedence over the new kids. The old vets had their time and fun. The vets are the past. New kids are the future.
That happened a long as time ago. Too late for that.
Not going to agree with that, which is fine. I like having older castmembers sprinked in -- having Shane and Darrell back this season was great and I thought it was cool how they integrated themselves with the newer players (especially Shane). And I'll be honest, I've never actually seen a full episode of AYTO and stopped watching Real World regularly years ago. I just don't have enough time to digest all of that and I cut it out of my "*********" list. Maybe that makes me a dreaded "casual" (even though I've seen every seen of the Challenge), but that's how I roll and might partially explain our disconnect. I'm fine with developing new characters, but I'm also fine with the characters that "hit" becoming key parts of the franchise.
The great thing about The Challenge is that you can have it both ways. Not sure why it's necessary to go heavy one way or the other. But to each their own -- makes for conversation.
Nah. If anything you've seen more shows gravitate toward it than vice versa.
Exactly.
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