The Challenge: All Stars- Alton Williams

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I hope everyone else also decides not to engage with the person only responding with ad-hominen attacks. Politics is more than a little game or a mild difference in opinion, and considering a particular part of the political spectrum's entire MO is denying that historical events have an effect on the present, it's not worth the energy.

I hope everyone else also decides not to engage with the person only responding with ad-hominen attacks. Politics is more than a little game or a mild difference in opinion, and considering a particular part of the political spectrum's entire MO is denying that historical events have an effect on the present, it's not worth the energy.

Some people are so privileged that they can just ignore it. Like you said a whole political party just denies the historical effects on certain minority groups. 

I have no political affiliation but it is annoying when people ignore Biden and Harris' history that was hurtful to minorities. And what has Biden done to prevent police brutality in his first 100 days? Someone writes lines for him in a speech and then he gets praised for being so woke. Like c'mon quit letting that man play you.

Black republicans make no damn sense. Respect yourself, man.

What a bigot comment.     

But it's not do you not see what's happening in Georgia or how Republicans for years have tried to make voting harder for non white people. Or how since the Shelby County decision, which was a 5-4 decision with the 5 people all being nominated by Republicans, that voting has actually been harder on black people. Republicans have never been about supporting black people or minorities in general and their policies show that

Someone watches way too much CNN/MSNBC

Listen to Biden's speech in 1993 or Hilary Clinton's speech in 1994--then tell me either care about the black community.  Check out the statistics during the tenure of Harris as DA or AG in SF/CA.  Anyone that thinks Republicans are the problem aren't paying attention.  If you want to bash Trump go for it but use facts not spin.  

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

Right? How do you go through the past 4 years and think politics is divided into Biden and Trump? Biden is not "the left," which constantly criticizes Biden and Harris for their past, many of them choosing not to vote for either of them. There, I called out liberals, and still think Trump is shit, but it's cute that he thought bringing up the imaginary hypocrisy would do something.

Biden/Harris being bad =/= Republicans not being bad, and you would think the king of argument who does it for a living would understand that.

Seriously...implying that Democrats doing bad somehow means Republicans are innocent angels?? lol 

Both parties exist to uphold capitalism, the capitalist class, and to ensure that the working class never has enough power to change society (you know, so they can have a liveable wage, healthcare, all the cute little things people have convinced themselves that they don't deserve??). It just so happens that one is more open about accusing minorities of being the ones who are causing the destruction of society (again, to protect capital...)

The funny part is that many (prob including kvm lol) probably see Democrats as socialists or something (which certainly shows a lack of knowledge of political/economic theory..)

 

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

Right? How do you go through the past 4 years and think politics is divided into Biden and Trump? Biden is not "the left," which constantly criticizes Biden and Harris for their past, many of them choosing not to vote for either of them. There, I called out liberals, and still think Trump is shit, but it's cute that he thought bringing up the imaginary hypocrisy would do something.

Biden/Harris being bad =/= Republicans not being bad, and you would think the king of argument who does it for a living would understand that.

Biden is barely to the left of most presidents lmao that's why Biden and Harris get so much hate from the actual liberal branch because they know they aren't left/liberal. My point really is that there are some very left leaning Democrats that have minorities in mind and want to help while I just can't say that for any Republicans whatsoever 

KVM just wants to against the grain that's why half the time they sound dumb because it's not an actual opinion they believe in I'm tired of it tbh 

Seriously...implying that Democrats doing bad somehow means Republicans are innocent angels?? lol 

Both parties exist to uphold capitalism, the capitalist class, and to ensure that the working class never has enough power to change society (you know, so they can have a liveable wage, healthcare, all the cute little things people have convinced themselves that they don't deserve??). It just so happens that one is more open about accusing minorities of being the ones who are causing the destruction of society (again, to protect capital...)

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

This is where you lose credibility.  That's not what the Republican Party is built upon and the fact you criticized a black man for being a Republican is ridiculous.  Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.  If you think most Republicans vote how they do in order to silence minorities you have no clue what you're talking about.  

If you actually have the edcuational background to discuss Shelby County v. Holder with me I'd be glad to have that conversation but my guess is you simply disagree with the result and aren't focused on the legal aspect of it.

lmaoo

hey everyone, the result of a single court case is enough evidence to make a definitive statement on what the Republican Party's beliefs are built on, you heard it here first.

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

Right? How do you go through the past 4 years and think politics is divided into Biden and Trump? Biden is not "the left," which constantly criticizes Biden and Harris for their past, many of them choosing not to vote for either of them. There, I called out liberals, and still think Trump is shit, but it's cute that he thought bringing up the imaginary hypocrisy would do something.

Biden/Harris being bad =/= Republicans not being bad, and you would think the king of argument who does it for a living would understand that.

Biden is barely to the left of most presidents lmao that's why Biden and Harris get so much hate from the actual liberal branch because they know they aren't left/liberal. My point really is that there are some very left leaning Democrats that have minorities in mind and want to help while I just can't say that for any Republicans whatsoever 

KVM just wants to against the grain that's why half the time they sound dumb because it's not an actual opinion they believe in I'm tired of it tbh 

You turned the conversation from democrats to socialists.  Against the grain, 45% of the country plus shares my view on this.  100% believe that you're dead wrong here.  The fact you don't respect a black man for being a Republican is ridiculous.  It would be like me saying I don't respect a white man (or anyone for that matter) for being a Democrat.  Vote based on what is most important to you.  Your focus clearly is social injustice--vote accordingly.  That's not my priority--my focus is the economy.  That is usually the difference in how people vote not about "silencing minorities".  

Seriously, I'm not the one attacking a side here--you are.  Biden and Harris are the same as Trump but you attacked Alton for supporting Trump over the other 2 who aren't any better.  Why shouldn't Alton support Trump?  Because of your opinion?

The funny part is that many (prob including kvm lol) probably see Democrats as socialists or something (which certainly shows a lack of knowledge of political/economic theory..)

The far left are by their own words socialists/Green Party (which is socilaist).  I'm not talking about the 60-70% of Democrats that are moderate just like 50-60% of Republicans are moderate.

I'm done replying to KVM I'm finally seeing why people despise them lmao annoying just to be annoying 

 

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

Right? How do you go through the past 4 years and think politics is divided into Biden and Trump? Biden is not "the left," which constantly criticizes Biden and Harris for their past, many of them choosing not to vote for either of them. There, I called out liberals, and still think Trump is shit, but it's cute that he thought bringing up the imaginary hypocrisy would do something.

Biden/Harris being bad =/= Republicans not being bad, and you would think the king of argument who does it for a living would understand that.

Biden is barely to the left of most presidents lmao that's why Biden and Harris get so much hate from the actual liberal branch because they know they aren't left/liberal. My point really is that there are some very left leaning Democrats that have minorities in mind and want to help while I just can't say that for any Republicans whatsoever 

KVM just wants to against the grain that's why half the time they sound dumb because it's not an actual opinion they believe in I'm tired of it tbh 

You turned the conversation from democrats to socialists.  Against the grain, 45% of the country plus shares my view on this.  100% believe that you're dead wrong here.  The fact you don't respect a black man for being a Republican is ridiculous.  It would be like me saying I don't respect a white man (or anyone for that matter) for being a Democrat.  Vote based on what is most important to you.  Your focus clearly is social injustice--vote accordingly.  That's not my priority--my focus is the economy.  That is usually the difference in how people vote not about "silencing minorities".  

Seriously, I'm not the one attacking a side here--you are.  Biden and Harris are the same as Trump but you attacked Alton for supporting Trump over the other 2 who aren't any better.  Why shouldn't Alton support Trump?  Because of your opinion?

No, kvm, it was you who implied in your comments that those who hate Trump/Republicans must inherently be Democrats, or supporitive of Democrats, and our response was to show that that is not true.

I'm done replying to KVM I'm finally seeing why people despise them lmao annoying just to be annoying 

Not sharing your opinion or asking you to support something false you stated is "annoying"

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

Right? How do you go through the past 4 years and think politics is divided into Biden and Trump? Biden is not "the left," which constantly criticizes Biden and Harris for their past, many of them choosing not to vote for either of them. There, I called out liberals, and still think Trump is shit, but it's cute that he thought bringing up the imaginary hypocrisy would do something.

Biden/Harris being bad =/= Republicans not being bad, and you would think the king of argument who does it for a living would understand that.

Biden is barely to the left of most presidents lmao that's why Biden and Harris get so much hate from the actual liberal branch because they know they aren't left/liberal. My point really is that there are some very left leaning Democrats that have minorities in mind and want to help while I just can't say that for any Republicans whatsoever 

KVM just wants to against the grain that's why half the time they sound dumb because it's not an actual opinion they believe in I'm tired of it tbh 

You turned the conversation from democrats to socialists.  Against the grain, 45% of the country plus shares my view on this.  100% believe that you're dead wrong here.  The fact you don't respect a black man for being a Republican is ridiculous.  It would be like me saying I don't respect a white man (or anyone for that matter) for being a Democrat.  Vote based on what is most important to you.  Your focus clearly is social injustice--vote accordingly.  That's not my priority--my focus is the economy.  That is usually the difference in how people vote not about "silencing minorities".  

Seriously, I'm not the one attacking a side here--you are.  Biden and Harris are the same as Trump but you attacked Alton for supporting Trump over the other 2 who aren't any better.  Why shouldn't Alton support Trump?  Because of your opinion?

No, kvm, it was you who implied in your comments that those who hate Trump/Republicans must inherently be Democrats, or supporitive of Democrats, and our response was to show that that is not true.

What are you talking about?  I don't like Trump and I'm a Republican.

 

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

Right? How do you go through the past 4 years and think politics is divided into Biden and Trump? Biden is not "the left," which constantly criticizes Biden and Harris for their past, many of them choosing not to vote for either of them. There, I called out liberals, and still think Trump is shit, but it's cute that he thought bringing up the imaginary hypocrisy would do something.

Biden/Harris being bad =/= Republicans not being bad, and you would think the king of argument who does it for a living would understand that.

Biden is barely to the left of most presidents lmao that's why Biden and Harris get so much hate from the actual liberal branch because they know they aren't left/liberal. My point really is that there are some very left leaning Democrats that have minorities in mind and want to help while I just can't say that for any Republicans whatsoever 

KVM just wants to against the grain that's why half the time they sound dumb because it's not an actual opinion they believe in I'm tired of it tbh 

You turned the conversation from democrats to socialists.  Against the grain, 45% of the country plus shares my view on this.  100% believe that you're dead wrong here.  The fact you don't respect a black man for being a Republican is ridiculous.  It would be like me saying I don't respect a white man (or anyone for that matter) for being a Democrat.  Vote based on what is most important to you.  Your focus clearly is social injustice--vote accordingly.  That's not my priority--my focus is the economy.  That is usually the difference in how people vote not about "silencing minorities".  

Seriously, I'm not the one attacking a side here--you are.  Biden and Harris are the same as Trump but you attacked Alton for supporting Trump over the other 2 who aren't any better.  Why shouldn't Alton support Trump?  Because of your opinion?

No, kvm, it was you who implied in your comments that those who hate Trump/Republicans must inherently be Democrats, or supporitive of Democrats, and our response was to show that that is not true.

What are you talking about?  I don't like Trump and I'm a Republican.

 

YOU brought up Hilary and Biden, as if the bad things they've done is in any way shape or form relevant to the bad things Trump does. We brought up socialists to show that just because you criticize Trump doesn't mean you support hilary/biden, which you implied by bringing them up as if they were part of the conversation.

LOL My Goodness.  I was wondering why this thread was on top.

Not that I want to get in the mind of a castmembers ideology as its none of my business, but It should be noted that Alton's brother and childhood friend were raped and murdered when he was a child (Alton was supposed to be with them) so that could form his worldview on issues.

As for weird views, if I went through what Alton went through as a child I'd be weird...period.   

 

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

Right? How do you go through the past 4 years and think politics is divided into Biden and Trump? Biden is not "the left," which constantly criticizes Biden and Harris for their past, many of them choosing not to vote for either of them. There, I called out liberals, and still think Trump is shit, but it's cute that he thought bringing up the imaginary hypocrisy would do something.

Biden/Harris being bad =/= Republicans not being bad, and you would think the king of argument who does it for a living would understand that.

Biden is barely to the left of most presidents lmao that's why Biden and Harris get so much hate from the actual liberal branch because they know they aren't left/liberal. My point really is that there are some very left leaning Democrats that have minorities in mind and want to help while I just can't say that for any Republicans whatsoever 

KVM just wants to against the grain that's why half the time they sound dumb because it's not an actual opinion they believe in I'm tired of it tbh 

You turned the conversation from democrats to socialists.  Against the grain, 45% of the country plus shares my view on this.  100% believe that you're dead wrong here.  The fact you don't respect a black man for being a Republican is ridiculous.  It would be like me saying I don't respect a white man (or anyone for that matter) for being a Democrat.  Vote based on what is most important to you.  Your focus clearly is social injustice--vote accordingly.  That's not my priority--my focus is the economy.  That is usually the difference in how people vote not about "silencing minorities".  

Seriously, I'm not the one attacking a side here--you are.  Biden and Harris are the same as Trump but you attacked Alton for supporting Trump over the other 2 who aren't any better.  Why shouldn't Alton support Trump?  Because of your opinion?

No, kvm, it was you who implied in your comments that those who hate Trump/Republicans must inherently be Democrats, or supporitive of Democrats, and our response was to show that that is not true.

What are you talking about?  I don't like Trump and I'm a Republican.

not to add fuel to the flame but kvm....

 

 

YOU brought up Hilary and Biden, as if the bad things they've done is in any way shape or form relevant to the bad things Trump does. We brought up socialists to show that just because you criticize Trump doesn't mean you support hilary/biden, which you implied by bringing them up as if they were part of the conversation.

I did.  Alton was attacked for supporting Trump when Biden & Clinton are every bit as bad.  Attack those that voted for Biden too then or you're being hypocritical.  That's just a fact.  It's an opinion that it's not as bad as Trump.  Have you listened to their 1993 and 1994 speeches?  If so, find me a speech where Trump every said anything close to that.

Of course they're part of the coversation.  The election was Trump vs. Biden (and Clinton in 2016) so support Trump over them was the discussion.   Who do you think Alton should have voted for?  And why do you care who he votes for?  If you voted for Biden you support Biden...you may not like him but you support him.

 

lol  okay I was being a **** there.  Her decision to support Trump shouldn't prevent her fans from liking her.  It would be like me not liking someone that voted for Biden.  But the last sentence I was true

 

 

lol  okay I was being a **** there.  Her decision to support Trump shouldn't prevent her fans from liking her.  It would be like me not liking someone that voted for Biden.  But the last sentence I was true

at least you admitted it. And I saw that edit lol

3 pages of debating on political parties, I thought y'all was arguing about Alton LMAO

 

lol  okay I was being a **** there.  Her decision to support Trump shouldn't prevent her fans from liking her.  It would be like me not liking someone that voted for Biden.  But the last sentence I was true

at least you admitted it. And I saw that edit lol

I mean, I can own it when I am  lol

I cant wait to watch the next episode and Root for Alton!!!!!!!!

 

I attempted to watch the challenge on Paramount Plus but it required for me to sign in and verify my email address and password.     Why didnt Paramount Plus just take my word on the app that I am a subscriber!!!!!!!   I had to prove and verify myself!!!!!!      Gosh, I can only imagine the 1000000000000 things we do on a daily basis that requires verification.    

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

Giving out free stuff, doesnt equate to helping out. Helping to boost the economy, which creates jobs, which helps the non priveleged is what actually helps. We need to get people out of the poor, not keep them there. Giving hand outs doesn't solve that problem. Democrats do the opposite of looking out for minorites, they give handouts to secure a vote. They don't initiate policies to bring people out of the poor. 

 

I like how I mention a case that I've read various times and that you can find on any unbiased media website to say I watch too much MSNBC or whatever the hell you mentioned. Also where in my comments did I mention Biden, Trump or Harris? I think both parties have their issues but at least some Democrats are willing to look out for minorities meanwhile the Republican Party has basically been built on silencing minorities.  

It's always KVM saying something stupid 

Giving out free stuff, doesnt equate to helping out. Helping to boost the economy, which creates jobs, which helps the non priveleged is what actually helps. We need to get people out of the poor, not keep them there. Giving hand outs doesn't solve that problem. Democrats do the opposite of looking out for minorites, they give handouts to secure a vote. They don't initiate policies to bring people out of the poor. 

Aw sh** here we go again

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