RW/RR Challenge: The Ruins - Spoilers & Speculation

[QUOTE=producer88;74559]I'm not arguing the order of the list, or who said what, because for all I know it may be true. [B]What I am trying to say is, one can't just say, oo that's how the castmember performs, and the list said this certain castmember is weak, so they are weak. Everyone has an opinion, even if the person that was there, saw the challene, and made an opinion with their own eyes. On Inferno 1, didn't they vote syrus to go in the inferno, because they assumed he had the slowest time?? Yet he did the best on the team. Even if the list is made by a castmember, they make an assumption, on who is good or bad.[/B][/QUOTE] Is that not arguing the order of the list? A list is a list. Let's move on.

[QUOTE=Delancy221;74560]I just wanna know who said this ! I don't think this list is authenitc at all. I want another list lol[/QUOTE] "Want" all you wish, but I never give up my sources. I've just about had it with you... By writing that you 'don't think the list is authentic," you are questioning my veracity. Again, did you read the site rules when you registered? What is it that I hear ticking in the background?

Once again not arguing the order of the list, I'm arguing that the list is automatically a fact, since a certain castmember, or members said it's so. That's why I brought up the Syrus example. They viewed him as weak and old, they tought he did horrible on the first challenge, cause he got smoked. Yet he beat all his team members time. Even castmembers or group castmembers will be bias, so saying this list is how THEY are rank, is just an opinion, of a certain castmember or members that been eliminated.

[quote=V1man;74564]"Want" all you wish, but I never give up my sources. I've just about had it with you... By writing that you 'don't think the list is authentic," you are questioning my veracity. Again, did you read the site rules when you registered? What is it that I hear ticking in the background?[/quote] umm I didn't question anything with u

[QUOTE=producer88;74565]Once again not arguing the order of the list, I'm arguing that the list is automatically a fact, since a certain castmember, or members said it's so. That's why I brought up the Syrus example. They viewed him as weak and old, they tought he did horrible on the first challenge, cause he got smoked. Yet he beat all his team members time. Even castmembers or group castmembers will be bias, so saying this list is how THEY are rank, is just an opinion, of a certain castmember or members that been eliminated.[/QUOTE] My understanding is that this list was the result of a process of negotiation among the reasonably sober foremost experts available on the planet (Some people know the event I'm talking about). Accept it for what it is or don't, I'm not bothered either way. Thoughtful people might learn from the list. Others may have a problem thinking outside their comfortable box. I fully expect you should be in the former, rather that latter, category.

[QUOTE=Delancy221;74567]umm I didn't question anything with u[/QUOTE] Perhaps you should reread you own words...

Ibis accepted my request on myspace. I'm sure that somebody is checking it for her.

I understand that V1, but what I'm trying to explain, is won't it be base on personal opinion or how they viewed what happen? How can performance and physical ability be rank, when some people are strong in one category and weak on another. The season isn't done, so how is a list created?? What if Johanna all of a sudden becomes superwoman, and the challenges favor her abilities. "The eye of the beholder." I can give you an example. I believe and many of my friends believe Svet WON that duel agaisnt Beth. Many people on Vevmo, and outside vevmo believe Beth won that challenge. Wouldn't it all be opinions, because it's what our minds interpret the event?

[quote=producer88;74574]I understand that V1, but what I'm trying to explain, is won't it be base on personal opinion or how they viewed what happen? How can performance and physical ability be rank, when some people are strong in one category and weak on another. The season isn't done, so how is a list created?? What if Johanna all of a sudden becomes superwoman, and the challenges favor her abilities. "The eye of the beholder." I can give you an example. I believe and many of my friends believe Svet WON that duel agaisnt Beth. Many people on Vevmo, and outside vevmo believe Beth won that challenge. Wouldn't it all be opinions, because it's what our minds interpret the event?[/quote] I agree with you. The season isn't over so how can this list be made.

I don't think it takes an entire challenge for someone to recognize strong and weak competitors.

[QUOTE=producer88;74574]I understand that V1, but what I'm trying to explain, is won't it be base on personal opinion or how they viewed what happen? How can performance and physical ability be rank, when some people are strong in one category and weak on another. The season isn't done, so how is a list created?? What if Johanna all of a sudden becomes superwoman, and the challenges favor her abilities. "The eye of the beholder." I can give you an example. I believe and many of my friends believe Svet WON that duel agaisnt Beth. Many people on Vevmo, and outside vevmo believe Beth won that challenge. Wouldn't it all be opinions, because it's what our minds interpret the event?[/QUOTE] 1. Your friends are clueless re Svetlana (If I actually thought you really held that view, I'd be very disappointed at having misjudged you.) I've seen the full video and talked to most people present. There is no question as to what really happened. 2. The ranking is what it is -- clearly neutralized to remove spoiler info. (Clue)

V1 I think I'm not getting my point across. Me and my friends love Svet, so we will favor her, and view her as a great competitor. Our opinions will be just opinions, and not fact. Just like you know Beth, you know you favor her, over Svet (I assume)? How can a list be created if some people could step up their game or be like yo-yos. Example Katie was horrible in Inferno 1, but as the game continued she started doing better and better. On Inferno 2 Jodi will dominate a mission and then do horrible on the next. How can physical ability, and mental ability be rank?? Isn't chance also a factor. Ev is ranked as the strongest, yet she was the second girl to go home. She probably went in and had to face someone in the pit, in an event she isn't particularly good at. It's like saying who's the greatest rapper in the world? It's impossible to rank.

[QUOTE=producer88;74583] How can a list be created if people some people could step up their game or be like yo-yos. Example Katie was horrible in Inferno 1, but as the game continued she starter doing better and better. On Inferno 2 Jodi will dominate a mission and then do horrible on the next. How can physical ability, and mental ability be rank?? Isn't chance also a factor. Ev is ranked as the strongest, yet she was the second girl to go home. She probably went in and had to face someone in the pit, in an event she isn't particularly good at. [/QUOTE] At the end of the day, the list is what it is-a list. It's not the end of the world. Let it go. Keep breathing.

Another example some people believe Rachel RR:Campus Crawl is overrated while others believe she is underrated. It's all just opinions. Unless a scientific study is made, ranks are just a matter of opinions. I think I should just move on LOL

The fact that people are fighting over a list is so funny. Who cares if somebody is ranking how the cast members are doing on the show. At the end of the day does it really make a difference how poor they are doing if stills till win?

[quote=V1man;74578] 2. The ranking is what it is -- clearly neutralized to remove spoiler info. (Clue)[/quote]I'm wondering if this makes it reasonable to speculate that it was Kelly Anne who beat Evelyn. I was kind of surprised to see her at the top tier according to the rankings, especially because I remember her being described as overrated after she defeated Rachel on the Island. Maybe something changed in Thailand to validate the perception among some fans that she is a strong competitor.

I have to say Mizfit, I actually like the discussion. Debates are awesome LOL....another reason why I love Vevmo. Now back on topic, will a champion guy ever go home (if it is champion vs challenger)?

[quote=MizFit2009;74587]The fact that people are fighting over a list is so funny. Who cares if somebody is ranking how the cast members are doing on the show. At the end of the day does it really make a difference how poor they are doing if stills till win?[/quote] Exactly. The list isn't important so what's all the fuss? And I guess that no one is going to answer my previous question.

I don't care anymore though. Just like Ibis was strong on Battle of the Sexes 2, In the Middle on Gauntlet 2, and Weak on The Pit Now. Yea its a list and I guess I can go on now. I just hope certain people that were ranked weak, can prove to us and themselves that they are strong.

[quote=producer88;74590] Now back on topic, will a champion guy ever go home (if it is champion vs challenger)?[/quote] I think it is possible for a "champion" guy to go home. I hope at least Johnny or Kenny would get sent home.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;74591] And I guess that no one is going to answer my previous question.[/QUOTE] It was deleted.

I'm changing my mind frame. I hate Kenny, Evan and Johnny but if I pretrend to like them than this will probably be my favorite challenge ever. From this day forward the three of them are the funniest things this challenge has ever had.

[quote=Dartagnan;74600]If any "Champion" guy were sent home, I would bet on Johnny or Kenny.[/quote] Kenny & Johnny aren't that bad of competitors and I don't know if they'll be punching their tickets home just yet. If it were either going home then I would bet on Johnny and not just because he isn't my favorite person right now.

[quote=Dartagnan;74608]I agree GW, I think they are average competitors, but I think they are the weakest men left.[/quote] Cohutta?

[quote=Dartagnan;74608]I agree GW, I think they are average competitors, but I think they are the weakest men left.[/quote] While I wouldn't go so far to say they are the strongest out there...they could be in a power position where eliminations aren't really a factor and they could avoid most of any. Also I like Cohutta...he seems like a generally good guy and I think he has it in him to do well.

How come all of the "stronger" players are leaving and the so called "weaker" players staying? I understand alliances and all that other stuff but if they were really weak they would of been home already. Just talking in general.