How is it not backed up? Its obvious that the champions team is voting Wes in everytime.....there's no way the challengers are calling him out over Kenny, Johnny, and even Derrick......the champs are obviously out to get Wes!!
[quote=Stacee_Danielle;70035]More like pretty much everyone took it and ran with it.[/quote]
Didn't even notice the whole Champion vs Challengers thing LOL Whatever team that has Katie will be my team to win obviously but I am interested in seeing how they divide them up.
[quote=daniel15;70066]How is it not backed up? Its obvious that the champions team is voting Wes in everytime.....there's no way the challengers are calling him out over Kenny, Johnny, and even Derrick......the champs are obviously out to get Wes!![/quote]
Who said for sure it was Challengers VS. Champions?
[quote=daniel15;70066][B]How is it not backed up?[/B] Its obvious that the champions team is voting Wes in everytime.....there's no way the challengers are calling him out over Kenny, Johnny, and even Derrick......the champs are obviously out to get Wes!![/quote]
It is not backed up because it has not been confirmed by someone who actually knows and is not just speculating.
It is very possible that they had to draw straws to choose teams and Wes's team simply votes him in everytime to try and get rid of him...it wouldn't matter who the team was when it comes to being threatened by Wes.
7 males who won a challenge
7 females who won a challenge
7 females who didnt win
7 males who didnt win
the 3 pit battles were a challenge winner agaisnt someone who hasnt won
do the math
[quote=LilysMom;70082]Who said for sure it was Challengers VS. Champions?[/quote]
Mizfit started it a long time ago but Bacchus posted that the the teams were going to be separated based on performance of past challenges.
[quote=tjhallow;70098]Mizfit started it a long time ago but Bacchus posted that the the teams were going to be separated based on performance of past challenges.[/quote]
No, I said there was an unconfirmed rumor that stated that they might divide teams as such and from what I can gather that rumor was based on internal cast rumblings pre-challenge.
I don't know the format.
That being said, I just moved 10 pages over from the spoiler thread over to here. Let's keep this entertaining, yet speculative conversation where it belongs so that actual spoilers can be easily found in the thread dedicated to them.
[QUOTE=MizFit2009;70090]7 males who won a challenge
7 females who won a challenge
7 females who didnt win
7 males who didnt win
the 3 pit battles were a challenge winner agaisnt someone who hasnt won
do the math[/QUOTE]
I can do more than math. I can apply logic. We (Vevmo) have already said there is more than one possible game scenario.
It is entirely possible that in a game with pairs, someone fitting into one of the categoried in the quote above could win or lose and be sent home independent of his/her partner. Let's say that Chet and Tonya were a randomly drawn pair and Diem and Wes were another pair. Bacchus tells us that Chet and Diem lost, so it is entirely possible that instead of having Chet & Tonya go against Diem and Wes, Fresh Meat style, the pairs were broken apart for the elimination round with Diem going against Tonya and Wes against Chet. Then, in ultimate fairness, the partners are again chosen, perhaps in random fashion, further weakening the unfair pre-show alliance. In the second elimination, Wes defeats Nick and their women partners for week two, not yet identified, compete. The women leaving could be either from Mizfit's winners category or the "loser/challenger" category.
The above scenario is as credible as Mizfits. Either or neither may be correct. Bacchus will tell us when he can.
[quote=V1man;70107]I can do more than math. I can apply logic. We (Vevmo) have already said there is more than one possible game scenario.
It is entirely possible that in a game with pairs, someone fitting into one of the categoried in the quote above could win or lose and be sent home independent of his/her partner. Let's say that Chet and Tonya were a randomly drawn pair and Diem and Wes were another pair. Bacchus tells us that Chet and Diem lost, so it is entirely possible that instead of having Chet & Tonya go against Diem and Wes, Fresh Meat style, the pairs were broken apart for the elimination round with Diem going against Tonya and Wes against Chet. Then, in ultimate fairness, the partners are again chosen, perhaps in random fashion, further weakening the unfair pre-show alliance. In the second elimination, Wes defeats Nick and their women partners for week two, not yet identified, compete. The women leaving could be either from Mizfit's winners category or the "loser/challenger" category.
The above scenario is as credible as Mizfits. Either or neither may be correct. Bacchus will tell us when he can.[/quote]
That was hella interesting. That'd be something different if that actually happens. I can't wait for everything to be revealed.
[QUOTE=V1man;70107]I can do more than math. I can apply logic. We (Vevmo) have already said there is more than one possible game scenario.
It is entirely possible that in a game with pairs, someone fitting into one of the categoried in the quote above could win or lose and be sent home independent of his/her partner. Let's say that Chet and Tonya were a randomly drawn pair and Diem and Wes were another pair. Bacchus tells us that Chet and Diem lost, so it is entirely possible that instead of having Chet & Tonya go against Diem and Wes, Fresh Meat style, the pairs were broken apart for the elimination round with Diem going against Tonya and Wes against Chet. Then, in ultimate fairness, the partners are again chosen, perhaps in random fashion, further weakening the unfair pre-show alliance. In the second elimination, Wes defeats Nick and their women partners for week two, not yet identified, compete. The women leaving could be either from Mizfit's winners category or the "loser/challenger" category.
The above scenario is as credible as Mizfits. Either or neither may be correct. Bacchus will tell us when he can.[/QUOTE]
I once saw a fanfic with a similar concept to this one, and always thought it would be an interesting one for MTV to try. Needless to say, I wouldn't be disappointed if that were the format, though I personally would like to see a team challenge, sooner rather than later.
So far none of the eliminations really bother me. It will be very interesting to see Diem taken out so early and I can take or leave Nick to be honest. I was sort of hoping Chet would last longer if only to see him in this type of competitive atmosphere, but I won't lost any sleep over it.
[quote=V1man;70107]I can do more than math. I can apply logic. We (Vevmo) have already said there is more than one possible game scenario.
It is entirely possible that in a game with pairs, someone fitting into one of the categoried in the quote above could win or lose and be sent home independent of his/her partner. Let's say that Chet and Tonya were a randomly drawn pair and Diem and Wes were another pair. Bacchus tells us that Chet and Diem lost, so it is entirely possible that instead of having Chet & Tonya go against Diem and Wes, Fresh Meat style, the pairs were broken apart for the elimination round with Diem going against Tonya and Wes against Chet. Then, in ultimate fairness, the partners are again chosen, perhaps in random fashion, further weakening the unfair pre-show alliance. In the second elimination, Wes defeats Nick and their women partners for week two, not yet identified, compete. The women leaving could be either from Mizfit's winners category or the "loser/challenger" category.
The above scenario is as credible as Mizfits. Either or neither may be correct. Bacchus will tell us when he can.[/quote]Didnt Bacchus say there were 2 teams? Or was that rumored as well?
[quote=blanky667;70111]Didnt Bacchus say there were 2 teams? Or was that rumored as well?[/quote]
I do not believe that at this point there is anything in stone about the challenge format.
[QUOTE=blanky667;70111]Didnt Bacchus say there were 2 teams? Or was that rumored as well?[/QUOTE]
Rumor... which may or may not be true.
My role is to play Devil's Advocate for all of you, since I'm not participating in the spoiler business for this season.
I love pricking the balloon of smug self-assurance (not that we have people like that here).
[quote=V1man;70116]Rumor... which may or may not be true.
My role is to play Devil's Advocate for all of you, since I'm not participating in the spoiler business for this season.
I love pricking the balloon of smug self-assurance ([B]not that we have people like that here)[/B].[/quote]
Yeah not at all LOL.. I liked your makeshift format. I think that should be done in a future challege.
What V1 explained is similar to what's happening in The Duel 2 now. For example, Nehemiah and Jenn went it against Katie and Evan. Since Eric lost his partner (Katie) and so did Jenn (Nehemiah), it was only logical for Eric and Jenn to be a new team. The way V1 explained it seem to be an official rule though, as in both team mates must go in, not just one of the two. All is speculation though...
[quote=Bacchus;70105]No, I said there was an unconfirmed rumor that stated that they might divide teams as such and from what I can gather that rumor was based on internal cast rumblings pre-challenge.
I don't know the format.
[/quote]
That is what I meant, I knew it was unconfirmed.
[QUOTE=Famous.;70124]What V1 explained is similar to what's happening in The Duel 2 now. For example, Nehemiah and Jenn went it against Katie and Evan. Since Eric lost his partner (Katie) and so did Jenn (Nehemiah), it was only logical for Eric and Jenn to be a new team. The way V1 explained it seem to be an official rule though, as in both team mates must go in, not just one of the two. All is speculation though...[/QUOTE]
I'm simply "speculating." I make no pretext of it being related to actual events, past or present. I'd prefer people not interpret and attempt to explain what I wrote.
Me too terryface200, I want Katie to prove to people that she is a good competitor, Katie and Ibis are acturally really good friends outside the challenges. I know Ibis is gonna kick butt.
Team Ibis & Katie :)
Well because this is speculation (spoilers ---the title) This is my spec.
Because of recent events on whose been eliminated, and who eliminated them this is what i think is going on. I am all assuming its a Champs v. Challengers.
I think Veronica/Darrell/Syrus/Johnny/Evan/Derrick/Kenny/Johanna are the majority alliance (on the Champs). Johnny/Evan/Kenny needed a bigger group and smart enough they expanded to the people with no alliance (i.e Veronica) promising them safety from Ev, Tonya and co. Veronica and co. have no choice but to join. Had Evan/Johnny/Kenny joined the anti V group they would not have had as much power. This explains Wes going in "the pit" time after time (being the only man not in the alliance) and thus why Veronica has not gone into the pit considering Ev and Tonya were out to get her, and assuming Tonya and Ev went into the pit before her.
Considering the Champ girls are weaker than the Challenger girls i see conflict arise when Johnna and Veronica are the only girls lefts [assuming there are enough eliminations to eliminate Katie, Susie, and Ibis who i think will all lose once they go in].
The Champ guys will trump the Challenger guys in a pit. So i see the Champs loosing most girls and the challengers loosing most of their guys.
As for the Challengers my guess is Sydney Crew and Brad. are powerful just my guess.
Thats my spec.
I am gonna have to agree! But I disagree about Ibis, Katie, and Susie losing if they are in The Pit.
I know Evan/John/Kenny had something to do with Wes going in The Pit twice, but wouldn't Katie and Ibis be in the majority also because they are close with Derrick, and Syus?
[quote=Rihannalova;70210]
I know Evan/John/Kenny had something to do with Wes going in The Pit twice...[/quote]
Do you really? How do you know Wes isn't repeatedly being chosen by the other team? How do you know Wes isn't constantly voting himself in to ensure an early lead? How do you even know if Evan, Johnny or Kenny are still in the game, let alone wielding any power?
I myself would be inclined to suspect Kenny and Johnny are relegated to background characters again like they were in The Inferno 3.
[quote=superchico;70214]
I myself would be inclined to suspect Kenny and Johnny are relegated to background characters again like they were in The Inferno 3.[/quote]
I'm hoping to god this is the truth.
[quote=superchico;70214]Do you really? How do you know Wes isn't repeatedly being chosen by the other team? How do you know Wes isn't constantly voting himself in to ensure an early lead? How do you even know if Evan, Johnny or Kenny are still in the game, let alone wielding any power?
I myself would be inclined to suspect Kenny and Johnny are relegated to background characters again like they were in The Inferno 3.[/quote]
It wouldn't make much sense to go after Wes if you are the on the challengers side. Why on earth would you wanna go against the legendary Wes if you know your just gonna lose your team members in a team based challenge. As for Wes voting himself in. It's a possibility, he has done it before but I find it hard to believe he would do it repeatedly unless he's trying to prove a point and to be honest he doesnt have to prove anything. To me im about 90% sure that he's being put in by his own team. but I guess we will have to wait and see if the pattern continues
[quote=Chrono Sin;70223]It wouldn't make much sense to go after Wes if you are the on the challengers side. Why on earth would you wanna go against the legendary Wes if you know your just gonna lose your team members in a team based challenge. As for Wes voting himself in. It's a possibility, he has done it before but I find it hard to believe he would do it repeatedly unless he's trying to prove a point and to be honest he doesnt have to prove anything. To me im about 90% sure that he's being put in by his own team. but I guess we will have to wait and see if the pattern continues[/quote]
Maybe they know they have to get a strong player out. Just like in G3 how the rookie's knew that they needed to try and get Brad, Evan, or CT out from the Vets side. Even though at risk, maybe they felt it was something they needed to at least attempt. Assuming that it is the Challenger side who picks a person from the other team. Assuming this is challengers vs champs.
[quote=superchico;70214]Do you really? How do you know Wes isn't repeatedly being chosen by the other team? How do you know Wes isn't constantly voting himself in to ensure an early lead? How do you even know if Evan, Johnny or Kenny are still in the game, let alone wielding any power?
I myself would be inclined to suspect Kenny and Johnny are relegated to background characters again like they were in The Inferno 3.[/quote]
Isn't that why its speculation cause we don't know.
With a lot of money on the line I don't know anyone who would throw themselves in twice in a row.
Also I doubt its the other team....you would have to be crazy to call Wes in, he's probably the toughest one there. In my opinion.
[QUOTE=daniel15;70358][B]With a lot of money on the line i don't know anyone who would throw themselves in twice in a row.[/B] Also i doubt its the other team....you would have to be crazy to call Wes in, he's probably the toughest one there. In my opinion.[/QUOTE]
What if the only way you win money or a way to improve your chance to win money is to go it?
You are thinking inside the box (past challenges). Why not think outside the box? (just speculating, people, not a clue to the game.)
[quote=V1man;70361]What if the only way you win money or a way to improve your chance to win money is to go it?
You are thinking inside the box (past challenges). Why not think outside the box? (just speculating, people, not a clue to the game.)[/quote]
That would be kind of like the Island, where the only way you could get a key to the final mission would be to go into the challenge. I actually really liked that concept because it minimized the amount of people who could only rely on socializing/scheming their way through and get the prize money in the end. I hope they do go with a format similar to that.
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