The Ruins: Darrell Taylor - MTV

I think if it came down to Darrell & Cara Maria Vs. Landon & Carley in the final **** yeah Darrell would likely would have won because yeah Landon pushed Carley until the end but Cara Maria would have likely been in better shape thus giving them a lead since it was a team effort not a CT & Eric G3 moment.

[QUOTE=Young_Mills;206638]I think if it came down to Darrell & Cara Maria Vs. Landon & Carley in the final **** yeah Darrell would likely would have won because yeah Landon pushed Carley until the end but Cara Maria would have likely been in better shape thus giving them a lead since it was a team effort not a CT & Eric G3 moment.[/QUOTE] The problem with your theory is that the team with the strongest female in the game, Kenny & Laurel, still lost to Landon. I think when you are dealing with someone as strong as Landon, it doesn't matter how weak or strong your female is, it comes down to how strong the men are. Even if Cara Maria were in great shape, I doubt Darrell would have been strong enough to overpower Beastman Landon (with or without Carley).

[QUOTE=the_cactus;206773]The problem with your theory is that the team with the strongest female in the game, Kenny & Laurel, still lost to Landon. I think when you are dealing with someone as strong as Landon, it doesn't matter how weak or strong your female is, it comes down to how strong the men are. Even if Cara Maria were in great shape,[B] I doubt Darrell would have been strong enough to overpower Beastman Landon [/B](with or without Carley).[/QUOTE] Darrell could overpower Landon.

[QUOTE=Superboy;206947]Darrell could overpower Landon.[/QUOTE] Maybe in a normal elimination round, Darrell could take Landon. But on a final mission, where it's all about endurance, I have trouble seeing anybody that can touch Landon.

[QUOTE=the_cactus;206952]Maybe in a normal elimination round, Darrell could take Landon. But on a final mission, where it's all about endurance, I have trouble seeing anybody that can touch Landon.[/QUOTE] You do know that Darrell is at his BEST during final missions? Did you see all the final missions he competed in? Remember the "spirit killer" on the Gauntlet final mission? Darrell is also a faster runner than Landon.

[QUOTE=Superboy;206957]You do know that Darrell is at his BEST during final missions? Did you see all the final missions he competed in? Remember the "spirit killer" on the Gauntlet final mission? Darrell is also a faster runner than Landon.[/QUOTE] I would have to agree. While Landon is very strong, he has still been eliminated in one on one challenges (i believe), whereas, Darrell is yet to be defeated in a one on one. Statistics show. But I personally would love to have seen a "The Duel" challenge (i think that's the one where it's single competitors) with Darrell, Landon and Evan as the 3 men who are fighting for 1st place. :)

Correct me if im wrong but im sure Darrell has only ever been in ONE elimination matchup (against Danny in the Ruins).

[QUOTE=jamesbuc;207031]Correct me if im wrong but im sure Darrell has only ever been in ONE elimination matchup (against Danny in the Ruins).[/QUOTE] And against Cohutta in the Ruins and if you want to count Exiles as eliminations (which they are) him and Casey won an exile over Derrick and Diem in Fresh Meat. That's the only eliminations I can recall him being in besides of course the elimination with Danny, which you mentioned.

[QUOTE=Superboy;206957]You do know that Darrell is at his BEST during final missions? Did you see all the final missions he competed in? Remember the "spirit killer" on the Gauntlet final mission? Darrell is also a faster runner than Landon.[/QUOTE] Well obviously Darrell is great at final missions (otherwise he wouldn't have won as many as he did). I'm guessing that Darrell has an advantage when it comes to agility, reflexes, and maybe brute strength. But I think Landon has an edge when it comes to final missions. Darrell may be a faster runner, but running/sprinting is not the key component of final missions. It's all about endurance, keeping a level head under stressful circumstances, and being an encouraging teammate. In that case, I think Landon comes out slightly ahead.

[QUOTE=the_cactus;207047]Well obviously Darrell is great at final missions (otherwise he wouldn't have won as many as he did). I'm guessing that Darrell has an advantage when it comes to agility, reflexes, and maybe brute strength. But I think Landon has an edge when it comes to final missions. Darrell may be a faster runner, but running/sprinting is not the key component of final missions.[B] It's all about endurance, keeping a level head under stressful circumstances, and being an encouraging teammate[/B]. In that case, I think Landon comes out slightly ahead.[/QUOTE] ......again, have you seen the final missions Darrell competed in? Darrell has all those things you listed. On the Gauntlet 1, he jogged WAY ahead of everyone and called himself the "spirit killer" just to "psych" the Real World team out. He also was very encouraging and movtivated his Road Rules team(at one point he carried Sarah on his back and told her she was going to finish by herself) from start to finish. Theo(RR) said it was an honor to be in such an intense atmosphere with Darrell because he was very encouraging. On the Inferno 2, at one point during the final mission, Miz and Jamie were tired and starting to fast-pace walk in order to save energy, while Darrell(and Landon) was jogging and clearly had more fuel than his teammate the Miz. On Fresh Meat 2, he was(not Landon) the number one concern for winning. Wes said if Darrell is in the finals he would beat us, and Kenny stated on the aftershow that Darrell was the only guy he feared, because he could beat him in any mission. On the ground, Darrell is more dangerous than Landon is.....Landon is a great competitor, but he is getting overrated now by you ignorant fans. He beat out Kenny, Pete, and Noor(who had Jenn as a partner) in the final..... he didn't beat Darrell, Alton, or CT.

^ I think we are comparing different things. To me, Darrell was at his peak during Inferno 1 & 2. On those particular challenges, I agree that Darrell outperformed Landon. Recently, however, I think Darell has started to fade. His performances on the Ruins were good, but not impressive. He was also sent home first on Fresh Meat 2 (with the strongest female as his partner). His temper sometimes gets in his way, as it did on the Ruins. On the other hand, Landon hasn't been considered one of the "upper echelon" competitors until the Duel 2 and Fresh Meat 2. If we were to compare Landon and Darrell NOW, I think Landon has an advantage. But if we were to take Darrell at his peak versus Landon at his peak....who knows?

Weird to see Darrell ranked so highly, I am so used to people never including him in the discussion as one of the best. Anyway, how is Landon being overrated he has been brilliant in every challenge he has appeared. He especially performs great in the challenges throughout the season. Also wondering why you guys consider Darrell's performance on the Inferno 2 better than Landon's. Landon won the most lifeshields for the good guys and won the only two eliminations, (even if one was given to him by Karamo).

I think that Landon is a better competitor overall than Darrell. Before the newer generation (Inferno III and beyond is what I consider newer generation), Landon and Darrell were both undefeated so it's not easy to compare the both of them. The only legitimate way to compare 2 competitors is by the challenges they appeared on together. Landon overshadowed Darrell completely on Inferno II. Darrell even admitted that his performance was the poorest out of Brad, Mike, Landon, and himself. Like someone else said, Landon won most of the lifeshields. Darrell won only one in a desperate attempt not to get called out by Landon. Fresh Meat II shows how Landon is better than Darrell even more. Darrell went home first with the first pick and Landon won with the last pick. Someone said that Landon only beat Kenny, Pete, and Noor. If Darrell lost to Pete and Pete lost to Landon, wouldn't it be reasonable to say that Darrell would have lost to Landon too? And just to add this in, I think that Darrell only made it to the end in Fresh Meat due to alliances and I also believe that he only won the final mission because Aviv was super quick on the puzzles. But that's just me.

[QUOTE=Superboy;207049]......again, have you seen the final missions Darrell competed in? Darrell has all those things you listed. On the Gauntlet 1, he jogged WAY ahead of everyone and called himself the "spirit killer" just to "psych" the Real World team out. He also was very encouraging and movtivated his Road Rules team(at one point he carried Sarah on his back and told her she was going to finish by herself) from start to finish. Theo(RR) said it was an honor to be in such an intense atmosphere with Darrell because he was very encouraging. On the Inferno 2, at one point during the final mission, Miz and Jamie were tired and starting to fast-pace walk in order to save energy, while Darrell(and Landon) was jogging and clearly had more fuel than his teammate the Miz. On Fresh Meat 2, he was(not Landon) the number one concern for winning. Wes said if Darrell is in the finals he would beat us, and Kenny stated on the aftershow that Darrell was the only guy he feared, because he could beat him in any mission. On the ground, Darrell is more dangerous than Landon is.....Landon is a great competitor, but he is getting overrated now by you ignorant fans. He beat out Kenny, Pete, and Noor(who had Jenn as a partner) in the final..... he didn't beat Darrell, Alton, or CT.[/QUOTE] This post of yours is loaded with holes and flawed arguments. On FM2, Kenny and Wes wanted to get rid of Darrell first because not only was he a good competitor, but he got first pick of the girls. Also, both Kenny AND Wes had never done a Challenge with Landon before FM2 (compared to both of them having done FM1 and The Ruins with Darrell), so for those two reasons, they likely overlooked Landon as a threat. You keep saying Darrell can run faster than Landon...what evidence do you have to back that up? I don't see them doing track meets in the missions in Inferno 2. I don't ever remember watching the two of them and saying, "wow, Darrell looks like he runs a lot faster than Landon." How can you call people "ignorant fans" who "overrated" Landon when almost every regular poster (myself included) considers Landon to be a top 3 overall all-time competitor. I have watched every season of The Challenge since Battle of the Seasons, and Landon has been a consistently dominant player. Yes, he did beat out Kenny, Pete, and Noor. What you're omitting from your argument is that Kenny had by far the best female partner, and from what I remember reading on Landon's blog, Kenny finished 20 minutes behind Landon in that final. He didn't beat Darrell, Alton, or CT? So what? CT and Alton weren't on that Challenge, and Darrell was gone the first week. On Inferno 2, Landon regularly out-performed Darrell in the missions, and as someone pointed out earlier, Darrell admitted that not only Landon, but Mike and Brad as well were performing better than him. When they drew names to see who would go into the Inferno in Mike's place (which ended up being Brad), Darrell should have been the one put in. Mike won 3 lifeshields, Landon won 4, and Darrell won one only because he knew his *** was going in if he didn't, and Landon decided not to go for it and instead get help his teammates. I'm sick of getting into these "who's better" arguments but Landon has dominated seasons in a way that I've never seen Darrell do. And everyone needs to stop bringing up Alton already. He hasn't done a Challenge since Inferno 3, and with Cut Throat, it will make now 6 Challenges in a row without Alton, so he's almost irrelevant at this point since his last Challenge aired over 3 years ago. To be quite honest with you, I wasn't that impressed with him on Inferno 3. Ace and Johnny Bananas beat him in a few missions to win lifeshileds. Alton would have looked even worse had CT not been sent home. It was bad enough that Abram on the other side was beating him quite a bit. You're chastising people for overrating Landon but you yourself have completely overrated Darrell in the process. I don't think Landon is overrated at all. He has given us no reason to believe that he's not one of the top competitors ever.

[QUOTE=the_cactus;207088]^ I think we are comparing different things. To me, Darrell was at his peak during Inferno 1 & 2. On those particular challenges, I agree that Darrell outperformed Landon. [B]Recently, however, I think Darell has started to fade. His performances on the Ruins were good, but not impressive. He was also sent home first on Fresh Meat 2 (with the strongest female as his partner). [/B]His temper sometimes gets in his way, as it did on the Ruins. On the other hand, Landon hasn't been considered one of the "upper echelon" competitors until the Duel 2 and Fresh Meat 2. If we were to compare Landon and Darrell NOW, I think Landon has an advantage. But if we were to take Darrell at his peak versus Landon at his peak....who knows?[/QUOTE] Darrell didn't have to be impressive on the Ruins, he won on four previous challenges and was on a FAR superior team. But, he did win two elimination rounds on the ruins, though it was against bottom competitors. Darrell is older, but I believe he is stronger than he was in the past(Mark and Timmy were in their prime in this early 30's).Darrell losing on Fresh Meat 2 was his partner's fault, not his. Darrell is a former boxer and a professional trainer, he(like Landon) keeps himself in great shape and though it would be a close match up, Darrell on the ground is more dangerous than Landon. [QUOTE] Weird to see Darrell ranked so highly, I am so used to people never including him in the discussion as one of the best. Anyway, how is Landon being overrated he has been brilliant in every challenge he has appeared. He especially performs great in the challenges throughout the season. Also wondering why you guys consider Darrell's performance on the Inferno 2 better than Landon's. Landon won the most lifeshields for the good guys and won the only two eliminations, (even if one was given to him by Karamo). [/QUOTE] Two separate people on here ranked Landon number one all time, or they rank him number two......that is overrated. Landon is top five at best, though it's too hard to say tell if he's a better competitor all around than the Miz, Theo(RR), and Dan(RR5). He hasn't been impressive enough to put him over those three competitors when you add up what they've shown. Also, his lost to Brad on the Duel 2 hurts him, as he shown he can get mentally unfocused in an elimination round, and could lose to a much inferior competitor. The Miz was clutch and after Landon's lost to Brad, it's hard to rank Landon above the Miz as a competitor all time because I believe the Miz is stronger in an elimination round now. As for Darrell not being ranked high for you......he's a better competitor than Abram(he shown that on the Guantlet 1 and Inferno 1), he's better than Derrick(a lot stronger,), better than Brad(Brad lost to Abram on the Inferno 2, if it were Abram vs Darrell, Darrell would of won), and he's better than Wes(he's way more valueable as a comeptitor than Wes, Wes only shined in swimmer missions, and got very lucky on Fresh Meat 1 and the Duel 1). [QUOTE]I think that Landon is a better competitor overall than Darrell. Before the newer generation (Inferno III and beyond is what I consider newer generation), Landon and Darrell were both undefeated so it's not easy to compare the both of them. The only legitimate way to compare 2 competitors is by the challenges they appeared on together. Landon overshadowed Darrell completely on Inferno II. Darrell even admitted that his performance was the poorest out of Brad, Mike, Landon, and himself. Like someone else said, Landon won most of the lifeshields. Darrell won only one in a desperate attempt not to get called out by Landon. Fresh Meat II shows how Landon is better than Darrell even more. Darrell went home first with the first pick and Landon won with the last pick. Someone said that Landon only beat Kenny, Pete, and Noor. If Darrell lost to Pete and Pete lost to Landon, wouldn't it be reasonable to say that Darrell would have lost to Landon too? And just to add this in, I think that Darrell only made it to the end in Fresh Meat due to alliances and I also believe that he only won the final mission because Aviv was super quick on the puzzles. But that's just me[/QUOTE] Landon is a better overrall competitor than Darrell because of Darrell's fear of heights and Darrell purposefully not being too impressive in missions(so he won't be targeted as a threat). As for the Inferno 2, again,Darrell is a great competitor when he wants to be, like you mentioned him going balls out to win the crab mission so he wouldn't go into an Inferno. On Fresh Meat 2, it was his partner that lost the exile for him. And that's the problem with comparing individual competitors based on Fresh Meat challenges because its team work. [QUOTE] You keep saying Darrell can run faster than Landon...what evidence do you have to back that up? I don't see them doing track meets in the missions in Inferno 2. I don't ever remember watching the two of them and saying, "wow, Darrell looks like he runs a lot faster than Landon." How can you call people "ignorant fans" who "overrated" Landon when almost every regular poster (myself included) considers Landon to be a top 3 overall all-time competitor. I have watched every season of The Challenge since Battle of the Seasons, and Landon has been a consistently dominant player. [/QUOTE] On the last mission on the Inferno 1, Darrell showed off his speed when the Road Rules team tried to catch up to the Real World after they got behind......Darrell is definately faster. Landon is not a sprinter, he is more of a long distance runner(Darrell can also run long distance). As for Landon being top three all time, what makes you say he's better than the Miz, Theo(RR), Dan(RR5), Timmy, and Alton(who outpreformed him on the Gaunlet 2 and Landon ackownledge that Alton was the number 1 person the rookies needed)? [QUOTE]Yes, he did beat out Kenny, Pete, and Noor. What you're omitting from your argument is that Kenny had by far the best female partner, and from what I remember reading on Landon's blog, Kenny finished 20 minutes behind Landon in that final. He didn't beat Darrell, Alton, or CT? So what? CT and Alton weren't on that Challenge, and Darrell was gone the first week.[/QUOTE] Kenny is still Kenny and can't keep up with Landon. Yes Darrell, Alton, and CT wasn't on Fresh Meat 2.....the point is Landon did not beat a top competitor, and even if he did, it is still a team event. Landon didn't completely do it by himself, just like Darrell didn't when he on the first Fresh Meat. [QUOTE]On Inferno 2, Landon regularly out-performed Darrell in the missions, and as someone pointed out earlier, Darrell admitted that not only Landon, but Mike and Brad as well were performing better than him. When they drew names to see who would go into the Inferno in Mike's place (which ended up being Brad), Darrell should have been the one put in. Mike won 3 lifeshields, Landon won 4, and Darrell won one only because he knew his *** was going in if he didn't, and Landon decided not to go for it and instead get help his teammates. I'm sick of getting into these "who's better" arguments but Landon has dominated seasons in a way that I've never seen Darrell do. [/QUOTE] Again, Darrell doesn't perform to well in missions on challenges because he is only a great player when he wants to be. Landon only dominated the Duel 2(Evan wasn't in his best shape, and Mark was past his prime), he did win on Fresh Meat 2 but that was a team challenge. [QUOTE] And everyone needs to stop bringing up Alton already. He hasn't done a Challenge since Inferno 3, and with Cut Throat, it will make now 6 Challenges in a row without Alton, so he's almost irrelevant at this point since his last Challenge aired over 3 years ago. To be quite honest with you, I wasn't that impressed with him on Inferno 3. Ace and Johnny Bananas beat him in a few missions to win lifeshileds. Alton would have looked even worse had CT not been sent home. It was bad enough that Abram on the other side was beating him quite a bit. You're chastising people for overrating Landon but you yourself have completely overrated Darrell in the process. I don't think Landon is overrated at all. He has given us no reason to believe that he's not one of the top competitors ever [/QUOTE] Alton is irrevelant now, but not when discussing the best competitors all time. The fact is Alton was superior(and Landon said this) on the Gauntlet 2. Yes Alton wasn't at his best on the Inferno 3, but his performance on the Gauntlet 2 still stands. Also, Landon losing to Brad does hurt him as a competitor, because it showed him to be beatable even by a far inferior competitor. And as for me overrating Darrell, im not, you guys are underrating him. He has shown to be a top competitor when it counts the most, and he was one of the most feared players in challenges history because competitors knew, when it comes down to the wire, he would most likely beat them. On the Gauntlet 1, the Miz named Darrell as his first big threat when discussing beating the Road Rules team. On the Inferno 2, the Real World team opted to go against Timmy(Road Rules best player) instead of Darrell because they feared him. And on Fresh Meat 2, he was once again seen as the number one threat. Darrell's boxing background gives him the edge over competitors like Abram, Derrick, Brad, and Wes..... he is top ten all time(9th on my list).

Overall Darrell is a great competitor in my eyes he has 4/6 challenge wins to prove it.

Superboy, you need to take the blinders off. Your arguments are outright laughable. Ranking Landon number 1 or 2 all time is not overrating him WHEN HE IS one of the top 2 Challengers ever. Dismissing him as "top 5 at best" just shows to me that obviously there's some sort of bias you have against him. Landon lost to Brad on Duel 2? So what? That Duel could have gone either way and Landon also was nursing a shoulder injury at the time. And even so, he BARELY lost to Brad and that particular Duel still remains a hot topic of debate since TJ's officiating didn't seem to be consistent in it. Landon was routinely kicking everyone's *** in that Challenge, and I'm more than willing to overlook that loss to Brad since it's the only blemish on his record and he has won every other Challenge that he's done. No I can't definitively state that he's better than Theo or RR Dan, but you know what, you can't definitively state that Landon[I] isn't[/I] better than those two, since THEY NEVER COMPETED ON A CHALLENGE TOGETHER. It's also not Landon's fault that your precious Darrell got sent home first, which neutralized Landon's biggest threat. Stop whining about him not beating anybody good. If you really want to ***** about somebody not beating anybody good, go watch the Island or the Ruins again. [QUOTE] On the last mission on the Inferno 1, Darrell showed off his speed when the Road Rules team tried to catch up to the Real World after they got behind......Darrell is definately faster.[/QUOTE] Once again, how does that prove that Darrell can run faster than Landon? LANDON WASN'T ON THAT CHALLENGE. Please stop making nonsensical arguments. [QUOTE] Again, Darrell doesn't perform to well in missions on challenges because he is only a great player when he wants to be.[/QUOTE] This whole argument of Darrell purposely not performing well on his first few Challenges to fly under the radar is a total crock of **** and a copout. I never said Darrell wasn't a good competitor, I think he is, but not in Landon's league.

[QUOTE]Superboy, you need to take the blinders off. Your arguments are outright laughable. Ranking Landon number 1 or 2 all time is not overrating him WHEN HE IS one of the top 2 Challengers ever. [/QUOTE] How is Landon better than Mark or CT all time? Landon was barely better than Mark on the Duel 2. Mark actually out muscled Landon in the "Freezing as Puck" mission when he pushed Rachel further than Landon could push Brittni on the second try and won the mission. On the "Upside Downer" mission, Landon won and said "I ended up winning by a little bit"(over Mark). Mark in his prime(first challenge to BOTS 1) is better than Landon. And as for CT, he outperformed Landon on the Inferno 2, and is clearly superior in terms of physical prowess. Don't give me he looses his head ****.....Landon choked against Brad too. [QUOTE] No I can't definitively state that he's better than Theo or RR Dan, but you know what, you can't definitively state that Landon[I] isn't[/I] better than those two, since THEY NEVER COMPETED ON A CHALLENGE TOGETHER.[/QUOTE] I know that, i said it's a tie as far as i'm concerned because it's too hard to tell who's better. [QUOTE]This whole argument of Darrell purposely not performing well on his first few Challenges to fly under the radar is a total crock of **** and a copout. I never said Darrell wasn't a good competitor, I think he is, but not in Landon's league.[/QUOTE] Landon should be ranked higher than Darrell(like I said, Darrell is ranked 9th on my list of the top ten all time) because of his performance in missions, but Darrell would take Landon in an elimination round given it was on the ground and physical. Darrell is at his best when it counts the most, otherwise he's just a good or average competitor(because he doesn't try too hard).

[QUOTE=Superboy;207287]otherwise he's just a good or average competitor(because he doesn't try too hard).[/QUOTE] I don't get why you keep saying that Darrell doesn't try hard in the challenges to slip low on the radar? To me that's a cop out and a p***y move on his part if he does which lowers him as a competitor. Darrell never stepped foot into an Inferno or Gauntlet so you can't really say anything about his performance in eliminations. Sure he went into 2 exiles (won 1 and lost 1). Sure he went into 2 Ruins and beat Danny, who sucks, and Cohutta, who got beat in a crunching elimination (Darrell's a freaking personal trainer for God's sake) but that doesn't mean anything. You can't assume that Darrell would have beat Abram if he went in against him instead of Brad on Inferno II. Being a boxer does not mean that you are a good wrestler or tackler or whatever they were doing. You don't know how good of a wrestler he is. For example to support this, if Derrick had not gone into those 4 wrestling Gauntlets in Gauntlet 2, he wouldn't be Derrick. People wouldn't rank Derrick that high in the challenges and would probably assume that he would lose in wrestling matches against other people that he would most likely beat. With that said, Landon beat Derrick in a friendly (if you can call it friendly) wrestling match outside the club. Landon is a good wrestler (I think he wrestled in college). If it came down to it, Darrell would beat Landon sometimes and would lose to Landon sometimes. If Wes and Derrick did pole wrestle then Wes would win (proven) but if Wes and Derrick did Beach Brawl then Wes would most likely lose. It's different for what kind of "physical" elimination it is. Landon would kill Darrell in anything strength (compare Darrell and Landon's arms. I don't think that its fat on Landon that you see) or wrestling related. Darrel would kill Landon in a boxing match. And Darrell's wins are mostly due to luck imo. The Gauntlet because of Coral's spider bite, The Inferno because the Real World team couldn't figure out the puzzle, and The Inferno II because the Bad *** team just couldn't work together. The Road Rules team didn't win 2 times because of Darrell but because they were just a stacked team with better competitors overall. "Good Guys" would obviously work better together than the "Bad *****" hence the name, disregarding The Inferno III. And Fresh Meat II, like I said earlier, was given to Darrell because Aviv was amazing at the puzzles (my opinion of course). Darrell sucks at puzzles. Cara Maria sucks at puzzles. That's why they lost on Fresh Meat II. Darrell didn't lose because of his partner and Cara Maria didn't lose because of Darrell. It was mutual and that is that. Landon on the other hand would have won the Duel II if Brad wasn't so smart and he showed that he was dominant by winning on Fresh Meat II with a mediocre partner. He carried her up the mountain (I think), I'm pretty sure that Darrell wouldn't be able to carry Carly's big ole butt up a mountain like Landon did. Why did I waste my time writing all of this? lol.

[QUOTE=LakersFan2;207343]I don't get why you keep saying that Darrell doesn't try hard in the challenges to slip low on the radar? To me that's a cop out and a p***y move on his part if he does which lowers him as a competitor. Darrell never stepped foot into an Inferno or Gauntlet so you can't really say anything about his performance in eliminations. Sure he went into 2 exiles (won 1 and lost 1). Sure he went into 2 Ruins and beat Danny, who sucks, and Cohutta, who got beat in a crunching elimination (Darrell's a freaking personal trainer for God's sake) but that doesn't mean anything. You can't assume that Darrell would have beat Abram if he went in against him instead of Brad on Inferno II. Being a boxer does not mean that you are a good wrestler or tackler or whatever they were doing. You don't know how good of a wrestler he is. For example to support this, if Derrick had not gone into those 4 wrestling Gauntlets in Gauntlet 2, he wouldn't be Derrick. People wouldn't rank Derrick that high in the challenges and would probably assume that he would lose in wrestling matches against other people that he would most likely beat. With that said, Landon beat Derrick in a friendly (if you can call it friendly) wrestling match outside the club. Landon is a good wrestler (I think he wrestled in college). If it came down to it, Darrell would beat Landon sometimes and would lose to Landon sometimes. If Wes and Derrick did pole wrestle then Wes would win (proven) but if Wes and Derrick did Beach Brawl then Wes would most likely lose. It's different for what kind of "physical" elimination it is. Landon would kill Darrell in anything strength (compare Darrell and Landon's arms. I don't think that its fat on Landon that you see) or wrestling related. Darrel would kill Landon in a boxing match. And Darrell's wins are mostly due to luck imo. The Gauntlet because of Coral's spider bite, The Inferno because the Real World team couldn't figure out the puzzle, and The Inferno II because the Bad *** team just couldn't work together. The Road Rules team didn't win 2 times because of Darrell but because they were just a stacked team with better competitors overall. "Good Guys" would obviously work better together than the "Bad *****" hence the name, disregarding The Inferno III. And Fresh Meat II, like I said earlier, was given to Darrell because Aviv was amazing at the puzzles (my opinion of course). Darrell sucks at puzzles. Cara Maria sucks at puzzles. That's why they lost on Fresh Meat II. Darrell didn't lose because of his partner and Cara Maria didn't lose because of Darrell. It was mutual and that is that. Landon on the other hand would have won the Duel II if Brad wasn't so smart and he showed that he was dominant by winning on Fresh Meat II with a mediocre partner. [B]He carried her up the mountain (I think), I'm pretty sure that Darrell wouldn't be able to carry Carly's big ole butt up a mountain like Landon did.[/B] [B]Why did I waste my time writing all of this? lol.[/B][/QUOTE] Well Landon didn't literally carry Carley up the mountain, he shoved his head in her butt (sounds funny but it worked, lol!) I agree with you to some extent, you can always find some luck as to why someone win and someone else didn't, still it doesn't take from the fact that the winner displayed some sort of strength. 1 or 2, maybe coincidence, but 4 shows strength in my opinion. I think every competitor has their strengths and weaknesses, Darell isn't perfect and it's possible, based on the challenge, he may beat Lando orLandon may beat him, however I don't think that takes away from the fact that he IS a strong competitor and that helps him to win challenges. I def think Cara Maria helped him to lose because he asked out front if she was good at puzzles knowing that he wasn't. Just my 2 cents

[QUOTE=cryssy19;207354]Well Landon didn't literally carry Carley up the mountain, he shoved his head in her butt (sounds funny but it worked, lol!) I agree with you to some extent, you can always find some luck as to why someone win and someone else didn't, still it doesn't take from the fact that the winner displayed some sort of strength. 1 or 2, maybe coincidence, but 4 shows strength in my opinion. I think every competitor has their strengths and weaknesses, Darell isn't perfect and it's possible, based on the challenge, he may beat Lando orLandon may beat him, however I don't think that takes away from the fact that he IS a strong competitor and that helps him to win challenges. I def think Cara Maria helped him to lose because he asked out front if she was good at puzzles knowing that he wasn't. Just my 2 cents[/QUOTE] Yeah I couldn't remember if he carried her or not. Now that I think about it I remember him just pushing her. And I never said that Darrell was weak. I just said that Landon was stronger than him. This is how I would rank competitors and why. People like CT, Landon, Evan, Miz, Mark, etc. are in the top of my list (best overall challenge performance throughout a challenge like lifeshields and safeties). Second place would fall to the people like Derrick, Brad, Darrell, Abram, etc. who are considered some of the top competitors but never dominating a single challenge (eliminations don't count). And the rest don't matter. lol. And considering Cara Maria, didn't she tell Darrell that she wasn't good at puzzles and he picked her anyway? I'm pretty sure that she said that in a confessional. I'm pretty sure that Darrell also said that he didn't pick Laurel because he didn't want to carry her. lol. If he picked her though I bet he would have won and dominated. But oh well. I just want to see Darrell on a Duel. That's where we can truly see if he can live up to his own name.

[QUOTE][B]I don't get why you keep saying that Darrell doesn't try hard in the challenges to slip low on the radar? To me that's a cop out and a p***y move on his part if he does which lowers him as a competitor.[/B] Darrell[/QUOTE] Actually it shows him to be smart. [QUOTE]You can't assume that Darrell would have beat Abram if he went in against him instead of Brad on Inferno II. Being a boxer does not mean that you are a good wrestler or tackler or whatever they were doing. You don't know how good of a wrestler he is.[/QUOTE] Darrell is a lot stronger than Abram, and would have man handled him. When money is on the line, Darrell is at his best. [QUOTE]Landon would kill Darrell in anything strength (compare Darrell and Landon's arms. I don't think that its fat on Landon that you see) or wrestling related. Darrel would kill Landon in a boxing match.[/QUOTE] Darrell doesn't have big musclar arms because of genetics I believe(just like Abram), he's still a very strong guy as he easily beat big strong guys such as Stephen(RW: Las Vegas) in Danny in strength matches. Also look at the "Human Ox Pull" mission on Fresh Meat 1.....Darrell showed his true strength and endurance and out muscled Theo (who has bigger and musclar arms like Landon) in the final heat. [URL="http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/98160/picking-teams.jhtml#id=1536758"]Picking Teams | Video | MTV[/URL] So that agrument is dismissed. [QUOTE]And Darrell's wins are mostly due to luck imo. I'm pretty sure that Darrell wouldn't be able to carry Carly's big ole butt up a mountain like Landon did.[/QUOTE] If you don't count Darrell's victories, than you can't can't Landon's victories on the Inferno 2 and the Gauntlet 2 aswell. And Darrell would easily carry Carly up the mountain, Darrell is stronger than most competitors and you clearly didn't watch his Road Rules season.

[QUOTE=Superboy;207594]Actually it shows him to be smart. Darrell is a lot stronger than Abram, and would have man handled him. When money is on the line, Darrell is at his best. Darrell doesn't have big musclar arms because of genetics I believe(just like Abram), he's still a very strong guy as he easily beat big strong guys such as Stephen(RW: Las Vegas) in Danny in strength matches. Also look at the "Human Ox Pull" mission on Fresh Meat 1.....Darrell showed his true strength and endurance and out muscled Theo (who has bigger and musclar arms like Landon) in the final heat. [URL="http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/98160/picking-teams.jhtml#id=1536758"]Picking Teams | Video | MTV[/URL] So that agrument is dismissed. If you don't count Darrell's victories, than you can't can't Landon's victories on the Inferno 2 and the Gauntlet 2 aswell. And Darrell would easily carry Carly up the mountain, Darrell is stronger than most competitors and you clearly didn't watch his Road Rules season.[/QUOTE] This is the last post I'ma post on this thread. You claiming that Darrell doesn't try on challenges is ridiculous. Anyone can get called out at anytime. They might call out a strong competitor in hopes of getting them out, but it's more likely that they would call out a weak competitor because they are easier to beat. So basically it's a double edged sword. People don't specifically want you to leave but they also would feel more comfortable going in against you. And have you ever heard of something called a lifeshield or safety? If Darrell was so good then he would try his hardest to try and win safety so that he can be safe regardless. He could still go into an elimination if he flew under the radar because people would rather go up against a weaker competitor so that they can stay in themselves. You don't know if Darrell is stronger than Abram. Has it been proven? You don't know who benches more or who squats more or who would win an arm wrestle because it hasn't been shown. Support your theories with facts my friend. And I'm not claiming that Darrell is weaker, I'm claiming that you, me, or anyone else that doesn't know actual numbers knows. Stephen isn't even considered a top competitor. He was on one challenge and got disqualified for slapping a gay guy. And Danny consistently shows that he's weak in all of the challenges he competes in. His big arms consists of fat. And Theo isn't that big. Theo is a comedian dude. I'm pretty sure a personal trainer would be stronger than a comedian unless the personal trainer is mediocre or the comedian is a meathead, which Theo is not. Landon's wins count for more than Darrell's. Team challenges don't count. Compare their Fresh Meat wins. Darrell won because his partner was a puzzle solving professional and Landon won because [B]HE[/B] solved the puzzles and [B]HE[/B] dealt with having a ****** partner. You have your opinions and I have mine. I'm done with this.

[QUOTE=LakersFan2;207675]This is the last post I'ma post on this thread. You claiming that Darrell doesn't try on challenges is ridiculous. Anyone can get called out at anytime. They might call out a strong competitor in hopes of getting them out, but it's more likely that they would call out a weak competitor because they are easier to beat. So basically it's a double edged sword. People don't specifically want you to leave but they also would feel more comfortable going in against you. And have you ever heard of something called a lifeshield or safety? If Darrell was so good then he would try his hardest to try and win safety so that he can be safe regardless. He could still go into an elimination if he flew under the radar because people would rather go up against a weaker competitor so that they can stay in themselves. You don't know if Darrell is stronger than Abram. Has it been proven? You don't know who benches more or who squats more or who would win an arm wrestle because it hasn't been shown. Support your theories with facts my friend. And I'm not claiming that Darrell is weaker, I'm claiming that you, me, or anyone else that doesn't know actual numbers knows. Stephen isn't even considered a top competitor. He was on one challenge and got disqualified for slapping a gay guy. And Danny consistently shows that he's weak in all of the challenges he competes in. His big arms consists of fat. And Theo isn't that big. Theo is a comedian dude. I'm pretty sure a personal trainer would be stronger than a comedian unless the personal trainer is mediocre or the comedian is a meathead, which Theo is not. Landon's wins count for more than Darrell's. Team challenges don't count. Compare their Fresh Meat wins. Darrell won because his partner was a puzzle solving professional and Landon won because [B]HE[/B] solved the puzzles and [B]HE[/B] dealt with having a ****** partner. You have your opinions and I have mine. I'm done with this.[/QUOTE] You're being quite hypocritical, my friend. If, according to you, we cannot tell who is stronger between Abram and Darrel because we "don't know the numbers" then how and why would you say Landon is stronger than Darrel when you also "don't know the numbers" for that? You have your opinion, u think Landon is stronger and you staed why, We have our opinion and we say Darrel is pretty strong. Support our theories with facts, you say? 1) Darrell has WON 4 challenges i believe, that's a fact 2) Darrell has lost 1 elimination round where he had someone else. That;s a fact 3) He's never lost an elimination round where he had to depend on himself alone. That's a fact. 4) People see him as a big threat when against him and an advantage when with him. That's a fact. I think facts support our theories pretty well. You keep making excuses as to why he isnt as strong as we think he is, but we have facts to prove it. Yes he took out Danny, and Yes he took out Cohutta (WHO TOOK OUT WES) in the ruins. So whether it's cuz he is a personal trainer, boxer or accountant (lol @ Jillian "Frank's an accountant"), doesn't change the fact that even strong competitors see him as a threat (eg. Kenny and Wes) and his statistics prove that just that. So goodbye, as that was ur last comment (as you said)

[QUOTE=cryssy19;207724]You're being quite hypocritical, my friend. If, according to you, we cannot tell who is stronger between Abram and Darrel because we "don't know the numbers" then how and why would you say Landon is stronger than Darrel when you also "don't know the numbers" for that? You have your opinion, u think Landon is stronger and you staed why, We have our opinion and we say Darrel is pretty strong. Support our theories with facts, you say? 1) Darrell has WON 4 challenges i believe, that's a fact 2) Darrell has lost 1 elimination round where he had someone else. That;s a fact 3) He's never lost an elimination round where he had to depend on himself alone. That's a fact. 4) People see him as a big threat when against him and an advantage when with him. That's a fact. I think facts support our theories pretty well. You keep making excuses as to why he isnt as strong as we think he is, but we have facts to prove it. Yes he took out Danny, and Yes he took out Cohutta (WHO TOOK OUT WES) in the ruins. So whether it's cuz he is a personal trainer, boxer or accountant (lol @ Jillian "Frank's an accountant"), doesn't change the fact that even strong competitors see him as a threat (eg. Kenny and Wes) and his statistics prove that just that. So goodbye, as that was ur last comment (as you said)[/QUOTE] I'm going to post one more time. Just one more. (I feel like one of those challengers that retire and come back a couple challenges later xD) Ok, you caught me. I'm a hypocrite. I never said that Darrell was weak. I in fact believe that he is one of the stronger competitors and I'm pretty sure I said that numerous times in some of my previous posts. The only argument that I'm putting up is that Landon is stronger than Darrell as an overall competitor. Statistics/facts support my theory. Let's just compare them by the challenges they attended together. Inferno II and Fresh Meat II. Fresh Meat II is obvious. Darrell went home first with the first pick and Landon won with the last pick (I already said this). You can argue about this all you want and say that Cara Maria was the reason he lost and blah blah blah but look at Carley! She was about to die during that exile against Evelyn & Luke and they still won because Landon carried all of her weights while she was just dragging along like a rag doll. That's fact and that's numbers in my book. Inferno II. Landon won the most lifeshields out of his team and Darrell even said that he performed the poorest out of himself, Landon, Mike, and Brad (I already said this too). That is also facts and numbers. Don't get me wrong. I'm not some Landon groupie who defends him in every argument. If this was a debate over Darrell and Wes than I would be taking Darrell's side as strong as I'm taking Landon's in this. Darrell is one of the best competitors to ever compete. He's won 4 out of 6 challenges for crying out loud! It would have been 5 if he didn't get into that fight. I got into this little argument over who is better because somebody said that Darrell would beat Landon in anything physical. That's bs. I got even more into this argument when someone said that Darrell purposely did bad on challenges to fly under the radar. Landon is a beast and it's been proven. Darrell is also a beast and it's been proven. But they are different kinds of beasts. Landon is just physically superior and an overall amazing athlete. He dominated a player (Evan on the Duel II) who dominated Darrell on Fresh Meat (don't bring their partners into this and say that Evan dominated because of Coral. Aviv was also great and Evan also dominated on The Duel against people like CT and Wes). THAT'S NUMBERS AND FACTS! Darrell is the type of beast that's strong physically but stronger in the mind. He's a very mellow and easy going guy. He's well liked so people don't want to get rid of him. They are both amazing but Landon is slightly more amazing than Darrell based on pure domination. Landon was a professional athlete at one time which also shows great athleticism. Ok. I'll shut up now =X

I think both competitors are very good and listed top 10 for sure. Darrell did win 4 challenge seasons, but he really didn't do anything special in order to win The Gauntlet, The Inferno, and The Inferno II. He never entered an elimination round in those 3 seasons and he was a threat to his opponents. But, however he earned the win for Fresh Meat, cause it was him and his partner. Anyways, everybody has atleast won a challenge while not doing anything like Derrick on the Ruins, Kenny on the Island, or Tonya on the Inferno 3. It's normal in challenges because it all comes down to the social aspect of competing sometimes. Im not a fan of Darrell at all, but Im not gonna hate on him just cause he is one of the challenge greats. Who is stronger? [B]Darrell[/B] Who is a better competitor? [B]Landon[/B] When it comes down to a boxing match Darrell will win without a doubt. However, when it comes to a challenge season you got to have your money on Landon.

[QUOTE=LakersFan2;208443]I'm going to post one more time. Just one more. (I feel like one of those challengers that retire and come back a couple challenges later xD) Ok, you caught me. I'm a hypocrite. I never said that Darrell was weak. I in fact believe that he is one of the stronger competitors and I'm pretty sure I said that numerous times in some of my previous posts. The only argument that I'm putting up is that Landon is stronger than Darrell as an overall competitor. Statistics/facts support my theory. Let's just compare them by the challenges they attended together. Inferno II and Fresh Meat II. Fresh Meat II is obvious. Darrell went home first with the first pick and Landon won with the last pick (I already said this). You can argue about this all you want and say that Cara Maria was the reason he lost and blah blah blah but look at Carley! She was about to die during that exile against Evelyn & Luke and they still won because Landon carried all of her weights while she was just dragging along like a rag doll. That's fact and that's numbers in my book. Inferno II. Landon won the most lifeshields out of his team and Darrell even said that he performed the poorest out of himself, Landon, Mike, and Brad (I already said this too). That is also facts and numbers. Don't get me wrong. I'm not some Landon groupie who defends him in every argument. If this was a debate over Darrell and Wes than I would be taking Darrell's side as strong as I'm taking Landon's in this. Darrell is one of the best competitors to ever compete. He's won 4 out of 6 challenges for crying out loud! It would have been 5 if he didn't get into that fight. I got into this little argument over who is better because somebody said that Darrell would beat Landon in anything physical. That's bs. I got even more into this argument when someone said that Darrell purposely did bad on challenges to fly under the radar. Landon is a beast and it's been proven. Darrell is also a beast and it's been proven. But they are different kinds of beasts. Landon is just physically superior and an overall amazing athlete. He dominated a player (Evan on the Duel II) who dominated Darrell on Fresh Meat (don't bring their partners into this and say that Evan dominated because of Coral. Aviv was also great and Evan also dominated on The Duel against people like CT and Wes). THAT'S NUMBERS AND FACTS! Darrell is the type of beast that's strong physically but stronger in the mind. He's a very mellow and easy going guy. He's well liked so people don't want to get rid of him. They are both amazing but Landon is slightly more amazing than Darrell based on pure domination. Landon was a professional athlete at one time which also shows great athleticism. Ok. I'll shut up now =X[/QUOTE] First of all.... LOL!!!!! @ the first line. I know rite? they always retire. hehehe. But I get where you're coming from now, I thought u were saying Darell isn't strong. I personally don't have a preference between Darell and Landon but Landon is an amazing competitor, he is strong etc. There was only once I didnt like him (when he made the mistake of choosing Wes' alliance and sending Kenny into exile) but other than that, in all other challenges he's a sweet guy. Darell is cool and easy going. Uses his brain on the challenges mixed with some strength. The point I'm trying to make at the end, (no meanness intended at ALL) is that they're both strong in their own way. :)

[QUOTE]You don't know if Darrell is stronger than Abram. Has it been proven? You don't know who benches more or who squats more or who would win an arm wrestle because it hasn't been shown. Support your theories with facts my friend. And I'm not claiming that Darrell is weaker, I'm claiming that you, me, or anyone else that doesn't know actual numbers knows.[/QUOTE] Darrell is stronger because he is a former boxer and a professional trainer. Everyone on the challenges know Darrell is better than Abram. [QUOTE]Stephen isn't even considered a top competitor. He was on one challenge and got disqualified for slapping a gay guy. And Danny consistently shows that he's weak in all of the challenges he competes in. His big arms consists of fat. And Theo isn't that big. Theo is a comedian dude. I'm pretty sure a personal trainer would be stronger than a comedian unless the personal trainer is mediocre or the comedian is a meathead, which Theo is not. [/QUOTE] Stephen was a big guy who worked out, much bigger than Darrell and Darrell EASILY beat him. Stephen even said "If I were to wrestle Darrell, he would destroy me". Danny's arms are not mostly consist of fat, look at his arms in his ruins match against Darrell. And Theo wasn't that big? He was bigger than the Miz! I know this for a fact because I compared the two bodies on the Battle of the Seasons and the Gauntlet 1 and Theo was bigger on both. Theo is a comedian, but he is also a athlete and works out a lot(just as Timmy). [QUOTE].....Darrell would beat Landon in anything physical. That's bs.[/QUOTE] Again, see the last heat of the "Human Ox" pull mission on Fresh Meat 1. [URL]http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/98162/all-about-teamwork.jhtml#id=1536758[/URL] [QUOTE] Who is stronger? [B]Darrell[/B] Who is a better competitor? [B]Landon[/B] [/QUOTE] THANK YOU! That is what i'm saying. Landon proved more as a competitor than Darrell, but Darrell would take him in an elimination round that was based on strength. Darrell is a former boxer, Landon is a former wrestler but a boxer is far more of a physically demanding profession.