Real World DC: Ep. 7 - Discussion

[QUOTE=Blurr;155441]So you don't care about your family having cancer?[/QUOTE] Wow, way to step over the line. When did I ever say that I didn't care about my family having and dying from cancer?

[QUOTE=roxylala;155436]I really like Ashley. I love a good ***** and I don't think she's a bad person. She's just immature and I'd rather someone be a ***** and own it over someone who is a *****, but won't admit it and is hypocritical.[/QUOTE] I agree 110 %.

[QUOTE=Blurr;155446]Being in High School doesn't give a person a pass on a pathetic statement.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's completely pathetic, but the girl doesn't deserved to be judged for the rest of her life based on 1 event when she was extremely young and extremely unstable.

[QUOTE=Blurr;155446]Being in High School doesn't give a person a pass on a pathetic statement.[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't. But admitting she was completely lost and in a bad place and that she's working to become a better person makes it a little easier for me to see past it.

[QUOTE=Wilderwolf;155437]I've already said this in this forum and I'll say it again. More than half of my family from my moms side has died of cancer. My grandfather is currently stage three and can go at any moment. Sorry I don't think the exact way you do.[/QUOTE] And there are people who have had similar situations to you who find what she did very offensive. [QUOTE=KitKatsBrkFs;155440]Like I said she was in High School when she lied about having cancer, get over it.[/QUOTE] She was not in high school. She was in college. People don't have to "get over it" if they don't want to.

[QUOTE=Wilderwolf;155448]Wow, way to step over the line. When did I ever say that I didn't care about my family having and dying from cancer?[/QUOTE] I think Blur was talking to KitKat... not sure though

How is she working on becoming a better person? I think you mean a better liar next time so something like this doesn't happen again.

[QUOTE=Blurr;155446]Being in High School doesn't give a person a pass on a pathetic statement.[/QUOTE] No, but being young and confused does.

[QUOTE=KitKatsBrkFs;155440]Like I said she was in High School when she lied about having a life threatening disease. It was High School people, Like we never pretended to be sick? Get over it.[/QUOTE] Pretending to be sick and prtending to have CANCER are two completely different things, and as someone who has had a loved one with skin cancer, I am a little offended that you would even suggest that the two things are the same and that it isn't a big deal.

[QUOTE=Blurr;155455]How is she working on becoming a better person? I think you mean a better liar next time so something like this doesn't happen again.[/QUOTE] Clearly I look for the good in people and you don't. I'm fine to end this on agreeing to disagree. I think I've made my points, I don't need to keep repeating myself. You're free to think however you please.

We all know it was wrong of her to do, but it's not like she should be judged or hated for the rest of her life for it. People do stuff like that all the time for attention. Suicide, pregnancy, illness, anything they can think of just so people will listen to them. I don't understand why you think she should basically be branded with it forever.

She wouldn't fess up if no one brought this about, she feels sorry she got caught and is on national television. Otherwise her sob story would've continued like every **** of the earth would do.

[QUOTE=Buck05;155458]Clearly I look for the good in people and you don't. I'm fine to end this on agreeing to disagree. I think I've made my points, I don't need to keep repeating myself. You're free to think however you please.[/QUOTE] I think that's a very wise approach ;)

[QUOTE=KitKatsBrkFs;155456]No, but being young and confused does.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. I'm young and I shouldn't get a pass on something I say if it offends someone. I can understand giving a pass to a child, but teenagers should be held accountable for what they say. If my sister who is 16 did what Erika did, I wouldn't give her a pass either. She's smart and old enough to know better than that.

[QUOTE=Blurr;155460]She wouldn't fess up if no one brought this about, she feels sorry she got caught and is on national television. Otherwise her sob story would've continued like every **** of the earth would do.[/QUOTE] Why should she have to state on national tv that she lied about having cancer to prove that she's sorry for doing it? Did you ever think that she didn't mention it because she has moved past it and didn't want it to be brought up again for everyone to make fun of and hate on her for like you guys are doing now?

[QUOTE=roxylala;155462]No it doesn't. I'm young and I shouldn't get a pass on something I say if it offends someone. I can understand giving a pass to a child, but teenagers should be held accountable for what they say. If my sister who is 16 did what Erika did, I wouldn't give her a pass either. She's smart and old enough to know better than that.[/QUOTE] If your sister did something like this - you'd eventually forgive her and get over it. It's not like you'd stop being her sibling. One event or statement should'nt have to be held over someone's head their [I]entire[/I] lives. It was wrong, everyone knows it, Erica knows it, it happened, etc etc. This thread is like a train wreck I can't pull myself from watching.

She moved past it because she doesn't even care that she said it.

[QUOTE=roxylala;155462]No it doesn't. I'm young and I shouldn't get a pass on something I say if it offends someone. I can understand giving a pass to a child, but teenagers should be held accountable for what they say. If my sister who is 16 did what Erika did, I wouldn't give her a pass either. She's smart and old enough to know better than that.[/QUOTE] I'm sure you would eventually forgive your sister if you truly cared about her and loved her. Also, just because your sister is in the right state of mind doesn't mean that everyone in the world is.

[QUOTE=Blurr;155465]She moved past it because she doesn't even care that she said it.[/QUOTE] And you're so adamant in the fact that she isn't sorry why?

The way that I look at it: I don't care how "deep" of a place you're in. Cancer is an extreme that obviously, affects a lot of people and obviously, a lot of people are heated about. She could have used any sickness in the book. There are [I]millions[/I]. But [I]she[/I] [I]chose[/I] [I]cancer[/I]. I just don't have any sympathy for it. I don't really care if she apologized. Great that she did, I guess. I'm sure she was in a rough place. Everyone's had those (although admittedly some not as hard as others) times. But the fact that she chose to tell everyone that she has cancer, a disease that affects so many people today, blows my mind. Will I get over it? Eventually. But she chose to go on this show. She would be an idiot to not think that it would get brought up again.

idk im just bored.

[QUOTE=RockSteadyVybes;155464]If your sister did something like this - you'd eventually forgive her and get over it. It's not like you'd stop being her sibling. One event or statement should'nt have to be held over someone's head their [I]entire[/I] lives. It was wrong, everyone knows it, Erica knows it, it happened, etc etc. This thread is like a train wreck I can't pull myself from watching.[/QUOTE] I'm her sister, so yes EVENTUALLY I'd forgive, but not forget. I also wouldn't hold it against anyone if they didn't forgive her. I don't see the harm in someone being so offended by a statement to the point that they won't forgive the person. If something is that serious, I don't see the problem is holding it over someone's head.

I must say, and I will be the first to admit that I have not been an Ashley fan this entire season, but she's really growing on me. I think I'm beginning to understand her more. Yes, she overreacts, but I really can tell her heart seems to always be in the right place. She wants SO BADLY to leave this experience as a good friend to all of these people. If you look back at it, all of her fights have pretty much been because she felt she wasn't getting close to a particular person. I don't know, I still don't condone her behavior for the most part, but I'm definitely understanding it more. I really didn't think I'd ever come to say this but I think I might end up liking her by the end of the season. [this is my attempt to steer this conversation BACK to episode 7]

On a different note, it looks like the clips of Mike dancing with the girl are clearly from a different night from the nigh at McFaddens. He is clearly dancing at Fly Lounge (notice the airplane theme).

[QUOTE=molds13;155468]The way that I look at it: I don't care how "deep" of a place you're in. Cancer is an extreme that obviously, affects a lot of people and obviously, a lot of people are heated about. She could have used any sickness in the book. There are [I]millions[/I]. But [I]she[/I] [I]chose[/I] [I]cancer[/I]. I just don't have any sympathy for it. I don't really care if she apologized. Great that she did, I guess. I'm sure she was in a rough place. Everyone's had those (although admittedly some not as hard as others) times. But the fact that she chose to tell everyone that she has cancer, a disease that affects so many people today, blows my mind. Will I get over it? Eventually. But she chose to go on this show. She would be an idiot to not think that it would get brought up again.[/QUOTE] I agree.

That's why she chose cancer though, because it's a bigger deal than other diseases which would then get her more sympathy and attention. I see it as go big or go home.

[QUOTE=roxylala;155462]No it doesn't. I'm young and I shouldn't get a pass on something I say if it offends someone. I can understand giving a pass to a child, but teenagers should be held accountable for what they say. If my sister who is 16 did what Erika did, I wouldn't give her a pass either. She's smart and old enough to know better than that.[/QUOTE] Your comparing Apples to Sausages. Your sister, 16, is mentally stable (I assume) and is able to make wise choices. Young Erica is dealing with depression and is not able to make the best decisions.... Yeah, Lets condemn her for an eternity.

[QUOTE=molds13;155468]I just don't have any sympathy for it. I don't really care if she apologized. Great that she did, I guess. I'm sure she was in a rough place. Everyone's had those (although admittedly some not as hard as others) times. But the fact that she chose to tell everyone that she has cancer, a disease that affects so many people today, blows my mind.[/QUOTE] Agreed. If she is genuinely and truly sorry about what she did and has grown as a person, good for her. That still doesn't change the fact that she did something awful for attention. If you kill someone, go to jail, and feel bad about what you did -- you still killed someone. Regret doesn't excuse bad behavior.

[QUOTE=Buck05;155471]I must say, and I will be the first to admit that I have not been an Ashley fan this entire season, but she's really growing on me. I think I'm beginning to understand her more. Yes, she overreacts, but I really can tell her heart seems to always be in the right place. She wants SO BADLY to leave this experience as a good friend to all of these people. If you look back at it, all of her fights have pretty much been because she felt she wasn't getting close to a particular person. I don't know, I still don't condone her behavior for the most part, but I'm definitely understanding it more. I really didn't think I'd ever come to say this but I think I might end up liking her by the end of the season. [this is my attempt to steer this conversation BACK to episode 7][/QUOTE] I agree - though I don't always agree with Ashley or her approach to things, she's a GREAT cast member for the show. I think by season's end, I'll def be on her side.

[QUOTE=Zereaux;155477] Regret doesn't excuse bad behavior.[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't excuse it. But does it mean it can't ever be forgiven? [dangit I swore I'd stop posting about this subject]