[QUOTE=nmanderson;462101]This may be a little bit too much information but here is a description of the chemo described by Diem for this round: Hyperthermic intraperitoneal chemotherapy (HIPEC) is a cancer treatment that involves filling the abdominal cavity with chemotherapy drugs that have been heated. Also known as “heated chemotherapy,” HIPEC is performed after the surgeon removes tumors or lesions from the abdominal area.
Benefits of HIPEC
Hyperthermic intraperitoneal chemotherapy has several benefits as compared to standard chemotherapy:
HIPEC is a single treatment done in the operating room, while standard chemotherapy requires multiple treatments
90% of the chemotherapy drug stays within the abdominal cavity, making it less toxic for the patient
It allows for a more intense dose of chemotherapy
Heated chemotherapy is used on both adult and pediatric patients to treat soft tissue sarcomas, appendix cancer, Wilms' tumor and other cancers in the abdominal cavity. MD Anderson was the first cancer center in the United States to use HIPEC on children with desmoplastic small round cell tumor (DSRCT), an extremely rare form of soft tissue sarcoma that causes hundreds of lesions in the abdomen. This therapy has doubled the survival rate of children with DSRCT as compared to standard chemotherapy treatment.
Side Effects
Hyperthermic intraperitoneal chemotherapy does have some side effects. Patients must be prepared to receive nutrition through a feeding tube or IV for about two weeks, while the digestive system recovers from the intense dose of chemotherapy.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for sharing. I was reading information about this myself. I think this will be very helpful to Diem, even though I understand her fear of it.
[QUOTE=stefx23;462142]nmanderson, thank you so much for staying positive. I have to admit I've been feeling pretty down today after hearing this news. [B]I saw some moron in the comments underneath where that article was posted was putting all of these negative comments about her chances of survival. People suck sometimes[/B].[/QUOTE]
How is that moronic? Many people want to know what the odds are. Doesn't mean they don't want her to overcome
Let's be real...if the cancer is now in her stomach and stomach lining that's a bad sign...a very bad sign.
Diem's a fighter so no one is counting her out but that's a bad sign. That's reality. No one is "a moron" for discussing that.
[QUOTE=carpedatdiem;462058][url=http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/diem-brown-opens-up-about-fighting-cancer-for-a-third-time-2014268]Diem Brown Opens Up About Fighting Cancer for a Third Time - Us Weekly[/url]
Diem just gave an interview. It's an aggressive form of ovarian cancer that has spread to her stomach, stomach lining, and colon. I didn't even know it was possible for her to have ovarian cancer after her ovaries were removed... is there anyone who knows more about ovarian cancer who could offer some insight? Does this mean it's automatically stage 4?
The treatment plan seems to be to use chemo to shrink the tumors, remove as many as possible via surgery, and then use something called HIPEC.[/QUOTE]
It would seem to me to be stage 4 but I haven't read anything for sure on that, so I don't want to say for sure until we know more. I guess just in my own opinion, reading that the cancer has spread to the stomach and the type of treatment that she has to undergo, stage 4 would make sense. I've felt sad today but I'm a fan of Diem's and I know the best thing for Diem is for her family, friends and fans to stay positive, so that's what I'm going to try to do.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;462141]The bold is the problem. They don't understand the audience that exists for this kind of a show and we've seen that over the past 6-8 years.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree to an extend but Susanne Daniels/BMP also knows that a huge/bigger problem with this shows is that the casual viewers on MTV doesn't tune in that's why ratings keep dropping whenever they don't do theme seasons. In order to make them tune in they need to attract them and the way that has attract them in the past is by making Themes/Social experiments like Exes/Rivals and showing drama. If not is going to be failed like Free Agents, sad but true.
I personally would be happier watching the house dynamic/Politics/etc over watching the eliminated teams fighting for a chance to go back, especially when they don't affect the house decisions other than just appearing on the final and giving an upset by winning. If it's online I will check out or even after the episode.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;462144]How is that moronic? Many people want to know what the odds are. Doesn't mean they don't want her to overcome
Let's be real...if the cancer is now in her stomach and stomach lining that's a bad sign...a very bad sign.
Diem's a fighter so no one is counting her out but that's a bad sign. That's reality. No one is "a moron" for discussing that.[/QUOTE]
Being realistic is fine but this guy was being negative over and over again in multiple posts underneath the comments...it was over the top. Cancer patients don't need to be lied to, I agree, but she has her doctors to give her that information. The fact is, Diem's family might be seeing these messages and reading them to her and they don't want to have to see that.
Also it wasn't just like the guy said she might have a few years to make it and then some positive comments after that....that I might understand....but it was a bunch of negative comments and in multiple posts too.
[QUOTE=stefx23;462147]Being realistic is fine but this guy was being negative over and over again in multiple posts underneath the comments...it was over the top. Cancer patients don't need to be lied to, I agree, but she has her doctors to give her that information. The fact is, Diem's family might be seeing these messages and reading them to her and they don't want to have to see that.
Also it wasn't just like the guy said she might have a few years to make it and then some positive comments after that....that I might understand....but it was a bunch of negative comments and in multiple posts too.[/QUOTE]
I get what your saying but that person wasn't being negative. They were being honest. Wanting/preferring positivity is fine but you can't turn honesty into negative. The odds are heavily stacked against her...hoping for the best...prepared for the most likely scenario here.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;462148]I get what your saying but that person wasn't being negative. They were being honest. Wanting/preferring positivity is fine but you can't turn honesty into negative. The odds are heavily stacked against her...hoping for the best...prepared for the most likely scenario here.[/QUOTE]
Okay I agree with you, honest is a better word but at the same time some people say they are being honest about how a situation looks to them but many of us here are not medical doctors and so some people in this type of situation post and say oh this person will probably be dead in a year and they call that honesty and that's actually inaccurate, so it's dishonest. How does that person know that? Are they a medical doctor? They don't. So I don't pretend this situation looks good because it doesn't but what cancer patients need is honesty from their doctors, the people who are qualified to give them a true honest assessment. From friends, family and fans they need supportive comments.
[QUOTE=stefx23;462152]Okay I agree with you, honest is a better word but at the same time some people say they are being honest about how a situation looks to them but many of us here are not medical doctors and so some people in this type of situation post and say oh this person will probably be dead in a year and they call that honesty and that's actually inaccurate, so it's dishonest. How does that person know that? Are they a medical doctor? They don't. So I don't pretend this situation looks good because it doesn't but what cancer patients need is honesty from their doctors, the people who are qualified to give them a true honest assessment. From friends, family and fans they need supportive comments.[/QUOTE]
Friends & family--yes but even in the private of their own home away from her they'll have real discussions
I just don't see an issue here...JMO
[QUOTE=kvm1977;462127]I do because they were voted off and not given a chance to fight for their lives.[/QUOTE]
That's why I hated the twist for most seasons. That's a social game and getting voted out at the end of an episode should be final. It worked on BvW though.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;462155]Friends & family--yes but even in the private of their own home away from her they'll have real discussions
I just don't see an issue here...JMO[/QUOTE]
Well yes the family will have real discussions, but we are talking about what a stranger is saying on the Internet here and probably I would need to give you a link to what he actually said before you can say whether it is appropriate or inappropriate. You haven't even read the person's posts for yourself. Let's just agree to disagree.
I actually like the idea of the exiles being online, that means more footage for us, Id prefer that over a cramped episode. It can be like 2 parts to the show, the real show on tv and an extension to it online. Survivor wasted a lot of tv time sowing the ppl on exile island when I would rather see what the cast on the island were doing. Seeing a 10-20 min video of an elimination is better than the speeded up version they show on tv. Does any one know if they'll show more online footage, like dailies or something? It would be cool if they brought those back. They might as well since they want to put some of the episode online, and maybe more ppl would watch them if they say on tv to go to mtv.com to watch the exile part
[QUOTE=stefx23;462159]Well yes the family will have real discussions, but we are talking about what a stranger is saying on the Internet here and probably I would need to give you a link to what he actually said before you can say whether it is appropriate or inappropriate. You haven't even read the person's posts for yourself. Let's just agree to disagree.[/QUOTE]
I read it, he said many things, including that it was a "death sentence," and he did it at the same time as snarking on someone else for being flippant. It was silly, overly negative, and unnecessary.
[QUOTE=carpedatdiem;462165]I read it, he said many things, including that it was a "death sentence," and he did it at the same time as snarking on someone else for being flippant. It was silly, overly negative, and unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
I won't go as far as to say it is a death sentence but I called a friend of mine that is a doctor out in LA and she said something almost identical. Can Diem be the exception? Absolutely but this is really, really, really, really bad. I could add about another 500 reallys and it still may not be enough
[QUOTE=Blue123;462161]I actually like the idea of the exiles being online, that means more footage for us, Id prefer that over a cramped episode. It can be like 2 parts to the show, the real show on tv and an extension to it online. Survivor wasted a lot of tv time sowing the ppl on exile island when I would rather see what the cast on the island were doing. Seeing a 10-20 min video of an elimination is better than the speeded up version they show on tv. Does any one know if they'll show more online footage, like dailies or something? It would be cool if they brought those back. They might as well since they want to put some of the episode online, and maybe more ppl would watch them if they say on tv to go to mtv.com to watch the exile part[/QUOTE]
I love this idea. I would actually like to see an extended, unedited version of all of the competitions online, but they probably would never do it.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;462169]I won't go as far as to say it is a death sentence but I called a friend of mine that is a doctor out in LA and she said something almost identical. Can Diem be the exception? Absolutely but this is really, really, really, really bad. I could add about another 500 reallys and it still may not be enough[/QUOTE]
I know KVM, I know but people like to believe in the positive. The good things are Diem is young, has all the will to want to live, and the treatment options for certain forms of cancer have greatly improved over the yrs. It sounds like that have a plan with how they want to tackle hers. Lets try to be positive.
And on a side note, I read your other posts and I don't think people want to know the truth, I think they want to believe Diem will be ok so please try to tone down the negativity just a hair.
:)
[QUOTE=carpedatdiem;462165]I read it, he said many things, including that it was a "death sentence," and he did it at the same time as snarking on someone else for being flippant. It was silly, overly negative, and unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
I agree, if you dont have anything positive to say then dont say anything, Diem doesnt need that guy's input, she knows its going to be hard. I think he was exaggerating though, when he mentioned the feeding tube, having a feeding tube is not that bad, getting one put in can be uncomfortable but its not a big deal the chemo part and the side effects are the big deal.
[QUOTE=Karisa502;462174]I know KVM, I know but people like to believe in the positive. The good things are Diem is young, has all the will to want to live, and the treatment options for certain forms of cancer have greatly improved over the yrs. It sounds like that have a plan with how they want to tackle hers. Lets try to be positive.
And on a side note, I read your other posts and I don't think people want to know the truth, I think they want to believe Diem will be ok so please try to tone down the negativity just a hair.
:)[/QUOTE]
Nothing I posted was negative. I hate when the realistic point of view is deemed negative. If people want to be positive that's great but others are allowed to deal with statistics and what is likely. That's not being negative. There's a whole middle ground.
Diem's a fighter and I respect that about her. Until I read the part about it spreading to her stomach I was on the optimistic train. That changed things greatly. I don't see anything wrong with being prepared for the most likely result even though I hope she beats the odds.
Also, people not wanting to "know the truth" isn't a reason to ignore the truth. That's a dangerous precedent. Remember, I'm an analytic person...this isn't emotional for me. This is just about statistics.
I do Kinda agree with KVM and Challenge17. I think it would be dumb for them to not even show The Exile. I think they should either show it in place of the after show or extend the episode length to include the exile.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;462179]I do Kinda agree with KVM and Challenge17. I think it would be dumb for them to not even show The Exile. I think they should either show it in place of the after show or extend the episode length to include the exile.[/QUOTE]
I wonder how hr and a half episodes would do? It would give them plenty of time to show everything. I'll watch it if its only online because I'll want to see it, but it is kinda weird.
[QUOTE=Karisa502;462180]I wonder how hr and a half episodes would do? It would give them plenty of time to show everything. I'll watch it if its only online because I'll want to see it, but it is kinda weird.[/QUOTE]
I can't see why they wouldn't do a 30 minute instead of the stupid pointless after shows we have so often.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;462176]Nothing I posted was negative. I hate when the realistic point of view is deemed negative. If people want to be positive that's great but others are allowed to deal with statistics and what is likely. That's not being negative. There's a whole middle ground.
Diem's a fighter and I respect that about her. Until I read the part about it spreading to her stomach I was on the optimistic train. That changed things greatly. I don't see anything wrong with being prepared for the most likely result even though I hope she beats the odds.
Also, people not wanting to "know the truth" isn't a reason to ignore the truth. That's a dangerous precedent. Remember, I'm an analytic person...this isn't emotional for me. This is just about statistics.[/QUOTE]
I know where your coming from in the sense that your thinking if people are given false hope that Diem will make it through and then she doesn't, then those people that had the false hope will be even more upset when or if she passes away than if they knew the real facts of the situation.
I think all of us are aware that this is not a great situation but at the same time I also don't think saying over and over again....this looks really really really bad or she doesn't have long to live or other discouraging things is helpful right now in terms of keeping our spirits up as fans. So while I don't believe in giving fans on this board false hope that everything of course is going to be okay...I also don't think we need to harp on when Diem may no longer be with us. I would say somewhere in the middle of those two thinking processes is a good place to be. We also have to think about if Diem were in front of us right now, what would we actually feel is appropriate to say to her as fans.
[QUOTE=Meelz;462177]Lol @ us getting mad at it being online, like we're not just gonna watch it online anyway.[/QUOTE]
I'll be honest, I prolly won't...And I'm a hardcore fan...I'd say there'd be only a select audience who would watch the online exiles
I used to watch those aftershows for jersey shore(well when it was good not horrible aka season 1) they'd post right after the show which were 15 minutes, and i did the same for the challenge wrap ups on rivals 2 from the girlcode people that were 5-10 minutes. So i am in regardless ..I am sure it will cause conversation on here and everyone who says they wont watch will tune in to see what we are talking about anyway. I also listened to the afterbuzz podcasts after if i caught it in time. I just make that 2 hour stretch my challenge time, and i hope it returns to Wed, which was ideal for me to watch that night
Those aftershows always have something that gets discussed here, and i hate missing out
[QUOTE=stefx23;462188]I know where your coming from in the sense that your thinking if people are given false hope that Diem will make it through and then she doesn't, then those people that had the false hope will be even more upset when or if she passes away than if they knew the real facts of the situation.
I think all of us are aware that this is not a great situation but at the same time I also don't think saying over and over again....this looks really really really bad or she doesn't have long to live or other discouraging things is helpful right now in terms of keeping our spirits up as fans. So while I don't believe in giving fans on this board false hope that everything of course is going to be okay...I also don't think we need to harp on when Diem may no longer be with us. I would say somewhere in the middle of those two thinking processes is a good place to be. We also have to think about if Diem were in front of us right now, what would we actually feel is appropriate to say to her as fans.[/QUOTE]
Real quick...I would be saying the same thing to her face. That I'm rooting for her, that I respect her as a fighter but that the odds are stacked against her. It isn't anything she doesn't already know. One can still support her while being honest with her.
I also don't think anyone was saying it "over and over" again...at least not here. I only saw two posts by the other person you were referring to. Everyone is different...there's no right or wrong. There's just a preference...a different approach.
Now if someone was truly being negative (saying she should give up hope, that she shouldn't even bother fighting, etc) that would be different but the odds are bad. Very bad. People shouldn't refrain from saying that just because people don't want to hear it. Sorry but there's a thread already set up to do just that.
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;462135]I don't understand the point of having a twist that we aren't going to see on the show.[/QUOTE]
You will see once it they popped out on the final and I can see them showing a recap of some clips that are online on TV to show what the eliminated people were doing, while the others were competing in the house lol
You guys just make a big deal about nothing, I know MTV knows that a show with so much competition and not enough drama/house dynamic on their channel. Instead of helping the ratings will sink them even more.
They try to kind of takes the politics away last season with the draw that instead of helping them hurt them even more. A lot of people hate the draw just based through comments on MTV.com and Twitter.
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;462181]I can't see why they wouldn't do a 30 minute instead of the stupid pointless after shows we have so often.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they end doing that, who knows.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;462179]I do Kinda agree with KVM and Challenge17. I think it would be dumb for them to not even show The Exile. I think they should either show it in place of the after show or extend the episode length to include the exile.[/QUOTE]
Agree 100%. Anything crucial to the competition should be shown on television, even if only a recap with clips.
[QUOTE=stefx23;462142]nmanderson, thank you so much for staying positive. I have to admit I've been feeling pretty down today after hearing this news. I saw some moron in the comments underneath where that article was posted was putting all of these negative comments about her chances of survival. People suck sometimes.[/QUOTE][COLOR="#0000CD"]You're welcome! Ovarian cancer is brutal but she has survived it twice and thrived. She certainly has the will and fight to do this with so many positive things happening in her life prior to this dx (her work, her family and friends, CT). The best thing I saw today is that her chemo will be without needles!!!! I believe she has many years of dancing left in those ten tapping toes.[/COLOR]
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