[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;263546]After this episode, I'm officially no longer a Jenn fan... That whole "Mandi you aren't the leader, we MUST put CT/ADAM first" shpeal was just too much and made her look so ridiculous to me[/QUOTE]
SERIOUSLY. I seriously cannot stand her. She's so butchy with her man voice "Nope not up for discussion" like it would really make a big difference if they went second or not.. she just wants to always have it her way when it doesn't even matter.
I wonder what she's so angry at Cara Maria about. My guess would be that CM wanted to get her and Mandi into the elimination or something. It's crazy how someone that's pretty can be so hideous on the inside.
I can't remember the entire backstory about Cara Maria and Derrick's wife at the Cutthroat wrap party (or premiere party or something like that) but wasn't Jenn involved somehow? I could be wrong but didn't CM say she had some beef with Jenn because of her involvement in that whole fiasco???
[QUOTE=CHill;263766]I can't remember the entire backstory about Cara Maria and Derrick's wife at the Cutthroat wrap party (or premiere party or something like that) but wasn't Jenn involved somehow? I could be wrong but didn't CM say she had some beef with Jenn because of her involvement in that whole fiasco???[/QUOTE]
I meant on next episode, not in general. I don't Jenn would blow up due to that months laterr.
[QUOTE=kristalie;263746]SERIOUSLY. I seriously cannot stand her. She's so butchy with her man voice "Nope not up for discussion" like it would really make a big difference if they went second or not.. she just wants to always have it her way when it doesn't even matter.
I wonder what she's so angry at Cara Maria about. My guess would be that CM wanted to get her and Mandi into the elimination or something. It's crazy how someone that's pretty can be so hideous on the inside.[/QUOTE]
Jesus it's a show... it's a little harsh to call her hideous on the inside.
[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;263962]Jesus it's a show... it's a little harsh to call her hideous on the inside.[/QUOTE]
Show or not, she still messed with Adam's emotions in a pretty hideous way. That stuff is real.
[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;263962]Jesus it's a show... it's a little harsh to call her hideous on the inside.[/QUOTE]
It's not like I'm bashing some actress for her character. Nobodys making her act the way she acts or say the things she says. I don't think it's harsh at all.. just accurate. I don't like seeing people bully others especially people that they know won't fight back because they're classier than that.
[QUOTE=CHill;263766]I can't remember the entire backstory about Cara Maria and Derrick's wife at the Cutthroat wrap party (or premiere party or something like that) but wasn't Jenn involved somehow? I could be wrong but didn't CM say she had some beef with Jenn because of her involvement in that whole fiasco???[/QUOTE]
I believe Cara said something about Derrick's wife kicking a barstool at her, and Jenn was backing up Derrick's wife. But I think something else happens.
She strikes me as a bit crazy and her attempts at sanity are unconvincing. I do not have a problem with crazy people per se, but I think she tries to hide the crazy, and her attempts at hiding it are futile.
She does have temper issues but the other cast members have known here for so many years and most of them get along with her. I don't think she is in the CT-Crazy category.
[QUOTE=Bombshell;264099]She does have temper issues but the other cast members have known here for so many years and most of them get along with her. I don't think she is in the CT-Crazy category.[/QUOTE]
It's funny you compared her to CT, but now thinking about it I actually kind of see her as the female CT aggression-wise. Jenn's really the only female currently on the shows I can see physically going after someone, sticking up for themselves 100%, and not backing down to anybody. I'd say Jasmine as well but Jenn's a little more intimidating.
Other's I'd put in the category would be Tina, Coral, Katie, and a few others.
But to everybody bad-mouthing her because of what's shown on tv, how many times does it have to be said that you're not seeing the whole story? You're seeing small portions of everything that happens and it's called an edit. Were the things that were shown bad? Yes but there's more behind everything so before you jump to conclusions, remember you don't know everything that happened. The only people that do are the people that were there.
[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;264166]I agree with Morris. Everything is edited. But it's pointless to just go back and forth on whether she is a good competitor and person or not.[/QUOTE]
She is a good competitor (when she actually does things instead of floating along), but she's just complacent like I said before and that bugs me. Does she ever want to actually win, or is her main concern just never going into the elimination rounds, getting to the finale, and giving a half-*** effort?
The edits may be bad, but either way Jenn seems pretty crazy. She's about 27 now? I would say it's time to grow up and stop trying to hit people, especially someone as nice as Cara Maria. We may not know the whole story, but we see how she reacts and she seems like she's immature and has anger issues.
She's probably jealous of Cara Maria because now Jenn is no longer the prettiest girl on the challenges. I don't find Jenn attractive per se but it pictures, she definitely has the prettiest face but now Cara Maria does.
I also remember in regards to their fight and past bad blood between them that I remember from the dailies on Cutthroat they got in a fight over Emily from DC. Does anyone remember that?
[QUOTE=kristalie;264691]She's probably jealous of Cara Maria because now Jenn is no longer the prettiest girl on the challenges. I don't find Jenn attractive per se but it pictures, she definitely has the prettiest face but now Cara Maria does.
I also remember in regards to their fight and past bad blood between them that I remember from the dailies on Cutthroat they got in a fight over Emily from DC. Does anyone remember that?[/QUOTE]
I think Jenn has argued with everyone at one point of time, but I also remember some dailies/other stuff where they got along pretty well. Judging by CM's recent formspring answers they're not very fond off eachother though.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;264164]It's funny you compared her to CT, but now thinking about it I actually kind of see her as the female CT aggression-wise. Jenn's really the only female currently on the shows I can see physically going after someone, sticking up for themselves 100%, and not backing down to anybody. I'd say Jasmine as well but Jenn's a little more intimidating.
Other's I'd put in the category would be Tina, Coral, Katie, and a few others.
But to everybody bad-mouthing her because of what's shown on tv, how many times does it have to be said that you're not seeing the whole story? You're seeing small portions of everything that happens and it's called an edit. Were the things that were shown bad? Yes but there's more behind everything so before you jump to conclusions, remember you don't know everything that happened. The only people that do are the people that were there.[/QUOTE]
"Sticking up for themselves 100%" and bullying people are 2 very different things. Jenn's pattern is she finds a newer player and tries to pick a fight with them. On Fresh Meat 2, she attacked Mandi. This season she tries to attack Cara Maria. On Cuttroat, Jenn and Theresa accused Camilla of stealing Jenn's clothes and tried to pick a fight with her. Jenn usually follows this pattern: find a newer challenger without as many friends in the house and either attack them physically or pick a fight somehow. Those players are then the ones who are forced to "stick up for themselves 100%"
As for the editing, commenters here always blame the editing when players they like are behaving badly. Every episode is made by editing the available footage. We can still make judgements based upon the limited footage we see. I think in the past Jenn has recieved favorable edits. In past seasons she acted very two faced and bullied people. This season they edited that one episode to highlight her 2 faced behavior towards Adam, but even if they had not juxtaposed those 2 conversations, the viewers would have still noticed her 2 faced behavior.
[QUOTE=danw34;264697]"Sticking up for themselves 100%" and bullying people are 2 very different things. Jenn's pattern is she finds a newer player and tries to pick a fight with them. On Fresh Meat 2, she attacked Mandi. This season she tries to attack Cara Maria. On Cuttroat, Jenn and Theresa accused Camilla of stealing Jenn's clothes and tried to pick a fight with her. Jenn usually follows this pattern: find a newer challenger without as many friends in the house and either attack them physically or pick a fight somehow. Those players are then the ones who are forced to "stand up for themselves 100%"
As for the editing, commenters here always blame the editing when players they like are behaving badly. Every episode is made by editing the available footage. We can still make judgements based upon the limited footage we see. I think in the past Jenn has recieved favorable edits. In past seasons she acted very two faced and bullied people. This season they edited that one episode to highlight her 2 faced behavior towards Adam, but even if they had not juxtaposed those 2 conversations, the viewers would have still noticed her 2 faced behavior.[/QUOTE]
Really everything you said can be taken one of two ways, either you remember that you're not seeing the whole story and everything that goes on, or you continue to make illogical assumptions about the things that went on and we didn't see. Either way it doesn't matter because unless you get casted on the show and find out for yourself, we'll never really know.
And on CutThroat Jenn wasn't part of the bullying of Camila, yeah she was backing up Theresa cause that's her teammate but it wasn't even Jenn's clothing. It was Ty's sweatpants that Theresa accused Camila of stealing. Jenn's the type of person who doesn't take anything from anybody and has an abrasive way of going about things. The reason it's always the rookies that she argues with is because they don't know her and how she is abrasive and blankly pumped up when she says things so they take it in all the wrong ways.
And I don't back her up just because I like her, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt when I don't get to see both sides of the story, that's just the logical thing to do.
Jenn cuddles with Adam at night, and then votes with Johnny and Kenny's alliance to put Adam in the elimination round. Jenn doesn't stand up to people 100 percent. She tries to be part of the big alliance, and picks on newer contestants.
[QUOTE=danw34;264702]Jenn cuddles with Adam at night, and then votes with Johnny and Kenny's alliance to put Adam in the elimination round. Jenn doesn't stand up to people 100 percent. She tries to be part of the big alliance, and picks on newer contestants.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure if you were on the show you'd do the exact same. I think looking two-faced on tv and staying in the game is much better than getting sent home with nothing.
I also think that "two-faced" implies that you're keeping the truth from one of the two parties. She said on her thing with Katie and Robin that she told Adam that she intended to put him first when it was her turn to make the order before they even left for the challenge. She made it clear that her allegiance was to Johnny (and Kenny and Evan by extension) and not to him.
She used to be the prettiest girl on the shows but she's looking pretty hard this season and is way past her prime. You can tell the alcohol is really messing her up on many levels.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;264700]Really everything you said can be taken one of two ways, either you remember that you're not seeing the whole story and everything that goes on, or you continue to make illogical assumptions about the things that went on and we didn't see. Either way it doesn't matter because unless you get casted on the show and find out for yourself, we'll never really know.
And on CutThroat Jenn wasn't part of the bullying of Camila, yeah she was backing up Theresa cause that's her teammate but it wasn't even Jenn's clothing. It was Ty's sweatpants that Theresa accused Camila of stealing. Jenn's the type of person who doesn't take anything from anybody and has an abrasive way of going about things. The reason it's always the rookies that she argues with is because they don't know her and how she is abrasive and blankly pumped up when she says things so they take it in all the wrong ways.
And I don't back her up just because I like her, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt when I don't get to see both sides of the story, that's just the logical thing to do.[/QUOTE]
Ok, so you're saying people should "remember" that they only saw the edited part of Laurel and Eric's fight in Cutthroat and not make "illogical assumptions..." fair enough.
I don't think it's a matter of newbies not understanding she is abrasive, I think parts of her attitude are horrible when they are portrayed. And it's what she says too, not just how she says it. She tells Mandi to basically "stay in her place" because she is a Rookie, and I'm looking forward to see what happens with Cara Maria. She has a "I'm better than you" attitude that she has shown over and over again. Especially this time with the things she said about Adam. I think that's why people are kinda coming down on her.
[QUOTE=JL81790;264777]I also think that "two-faced" implies that you're keeping the truth from one of the two parties. She said on her thing with Katie and Robin that she told Adam that she intended to put him first when it was her turn to make the order before they even left for the challenge. She made it clear that her allegiance was to Johnny (and Kenny and Evan by extension) and not to him.[/QUOTE]
I could be wrong, but I think two-faced in regard to her cuddling or whatever with Adam, then saying what she did to the girls. Not in the gameplay and putting him first.
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I could be wrong, but I think two-faced in regard to her cuddling or whatever with Adam, then saying what she did to the girls. Not in the gameplay and putting him first.[/QUOTE]
I agree with her being two faced in that regard, but I was referencing danw about the cuddling with Adam and then voting with the mob...forgot to quote.
Jenn might be one of the realest chicks from the shows. Listen to the web chat she did with Katie and Robin. She didn't bully Mandi. Mandi told her to take the reigns. People are perceiving her confidence and social skills as two faced.
They shot half the things she said about Adam before they kissed. Fact. She also told Adam, she had feelings for him, but she had her alliance. He understood completely.
As for CM there is so much more than the show. But I can tell you one thing jealousy of her looks is not one thing.
Katie also yells at newbies... Sarah on the Ruins, Emily and Theresa on Cutthroat? But she's not a bully.
It's funny how most of the guys find her looks and personality pretty attractive when the girls are ripping her.
Well, I don't think Jenn leading the team was her bullying Mandi, definitely not. It was a smart decision for Jenn to basically be in charge. I can't say she was justified for how she treated Mandi on FM2 however.
I don't even think it's a big deal that she put Adam first. He should have known that he was anti-alliance because of CT. Can't say she's justified for saying those things about him to the girls though... making it seem as though he's not worthy of her IMO.
Can't judge the CM thing, it didn't happen yet.
Didn't even know Katie picked on Emily or Theresa. I knew Sarah and that was usual drunk Katie who apologized after.
Not saying I hate Jenn... in fact, I liked her much more than Tina back in the days. She could have gotten a bad edit or whatever.. but it could also be her attitude somewhat I think. I just wish she'd get her heads out of the clouds a little bit and work on being that good competitor she once was... best way to prove yourself IMO.
[QUOTE=cryssy19;264837]Well, I don't think Jenn leading the team was her bullying Mandi, definitely not. It was a smart decision for Jenn to basically be in charge. I can't say she was justified for how she treated Mandi on FM2 however.
I don't even think it's a big deal that she put Adam first. He should have known that he was anti-alliance because of CT. Can't say she's justified for saying those things about him to the girls though... making it seem as though he's not worthy of her IMO.
Can't judge the CM thing, it didn't happen yet.
Didn't even know Katie picked on Emily or Theresa. I knew Sarah and that was usual drunk Katie who apologized after.
Not saying I hate Jenn... in fact, I liked her much more than Tina back in the days. She could have gotten a bad edit or whatever.. but it could also be her attitude somewhat I think. I just wish she'd get her heads out of the clouds a little bit and work on being that good competitor she once was... best way to prove yourself IMO.[/QUOTE]
I agree with some of the things you said. 100% I do think the social aspects and politics deviate her from her top tier potential, but at the same time, I also see her as a top female... which a lot of people don't.
[QUOTE=cryssy19;264837]Well, I don't think Jenn leading the team was her bullying Mandi, definitely not. It was a smart decision for Jenn to basically be in charge. I can't say she was justified for how she treated Mandi on FM2 however.
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In my opinion, nobody has to be a "leader" of the pair. The fact that she said that and said Mandi wasn't experienced or smart enough to lead the team was mean. It should be equal partnership. I can't think of another pair that has a leader.
[QUOTE=kristalie;264936]In my opinion, nobody has to be a "leader" of the pair. The fact that she said that and said Mandi wasn't experienced or smart enough to lead the team was mean. It should be equal partnership. I can't think of another pair that has a leader.[/QUOTE]
Yeah well, Aneesa and Robin were equal partners and look how well that worked out for them. Aneesa should have been the leader there.
And Evan made himself the leader of his team by making decisions.
Wes emerged as the leader by doing better than his teammate.
Laurel began as the leader, but now is making it equal with CM.
Evelyn is kinda a little more in the forefront than Paula IMO because of her strength and her social game being better than Paula's.
Of course, most of these people don't actually state it like Jenn did, but I see it as basically one and the same.
Doesn't mean Mandi isn't smart enough, but she definitely isn't as experienced.
Ok, here is one example of Jenn's two-faced behavior. This is from the most recent episode of Rivals, I think. Jenn hops into bed with adam. Then, while she is in bed with adam she says something to the effect of, "Mandi is having sex with Wes. She just f****d Ct. Now she's f****g Wes, now they've all got syphilis." Jenn is criticizing Mandi's supposed promiscuous behavior, while Jenn is lying in bed with Adam! That episode, Jenn also gives the speach about how her relationship with Adam is just casual, and it's only a challenge hookup to her.
Now, i don't have any problem with challengers hooking up with each other. It makes the show more interesting to watch. I just think it's two-faced of Jenn, to be criticizing someone for their behavior, [B]while Jenn is partaking in similar behavior![/B] Jenn has been on a lot of these seasons now. And on on those seasons she has hooked up with a lot of people. That's fine, that's her prerogative. But Jenn makes herself look hypocritical by criticizing another players alleged promiscuity, and suggesting that player is spreading std's.
Now, as for Jenn being one of the realest players on the challenges, I guess people perceive "realness" in different ways. In my mind, a player attempting to demean others in a mean way, when she is guilty of the very behavior she is criticizing, should not be viewed as "real".
It cracks me up when people blame the editing of the show. There is no way the editors could produce a show where Jenn's behavior does not seem incongruous, two-faced, contradictory, whatever you want to call it. If they give Jenn more than a few seconds of screen time, she will make a fool out of herself, and her ugly personality will show up. She appears to be in her late 20's. It's time to stop picking fights with people like she is a spoiled junior-high kid. She's always talking about how she's a veteran, and she's been there before. She should act like it.
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