The Challenge: Rivals II - CT & Wes

V1man, I like your conclusion. And I do like your insight.

[QUOTE=Rockstar;366826]CT is the star of the show. There is a direct correlation between low rated seasons and one's CT isn't on. I get that you are a huge Diem/CT hater but come on: some things can't be disputed. It isn't their fault that they have more magnetism than people like Johnny and Paula.[/QUOTE] I don't hate CT(But I do dislike Diem and I don't like their storyline. It's old and needs to die) But I don't consider someone who's very popular on a Reality show a Celebrity. When I think of Celebrity I think of people like Katy Perry or Brad Pitt. CT is nowhere near that. Maybe in the Realm of Reality Tv he is a celebrity(and maybe that's the point that's going over my head) But I wouldn't say he's a Celebrity. Maybe a Reality TV Star..Yes I would call him that. But not a Celebrity. I wouldn't even put him in the Snooki/Teen Mom/Kardashians Realm of Celebrity.

Kardsahians are way over snooki, snooki is over teen moms. CHALLENGE I think, has its own little section cause not lots of people watch challenge like Jersey Shore,TM3, etc

Kardashians are different, but back in the day Trishelle, miz, coral, eric nies, puck, etc.. were very popular.

they really made diem look crazy in this episode by all the editing i hope it was the editing...i like ct but in this episode he was an *** he should have just voted in camila/jemmye he told her that he will make sure that she is in the finals how is voting in emily/paula making sure she makes it to the final all that is doing is making sure she is on the next plane ride home...i am pretty sure if he would have lost and wanted to go against a team but she went with someone else he would have been mad to...in the end she did get want but not by ct.

[QUOTE=noahh;367115]they really made diem look crazy in this episode by all the editing i hope it was the editing...i like ct but in this episode he was an *** he should have just voted in camila/jemmye he told her that he will make sure that she is in the finals how is voting in emily/paula making sure she makes it to the final all that is doing is making sure she is on the next plane ride home...i am pretty sure if he would have lost and wanted to go against a team but she went with someone else he would have been mad to...in the end she did get want but not by ct.[/QUOTE] You are forgetting that she told CT and Wes she wanted the tougher opponent. She just did not think or expect it would be Emily/Paula. As it was , CT never placed the vote and put it entirely in Wes' hands who choose Paula because she is associated with Bananas. As CT put it, "All you had to do was not lose."

[QUOTE=Desertpuma;367116]You are forgetting that she told CT and Wes she wanted the tougher opponent. She just did not think or expect it would be Emily/Paula. As it was , CT never placed the vote and put it entirely in Wes' hands who choose Paula because she is associated with Bananas. As CT put it, "All you had to do was not lose."[/QUOTE] Game wise CT did nothing wrong. Friendship wise, his actions leaved a lot to be desired.

[QUOTE=Desertpuma;367116]You are forgetting that she told CT and Wes she wanted the tougher opponent. She just did not think or expect it would be Emily/Paula. As it was , CT never placed the vote and put it entirely in Wes' hands who choose Paula because she is associated with Bananas. As CT put it, "All you had to do was not lose."[/QUOTE]wes is suppose to be her friend and ct suppose to have her back they should have voted for camila/jemmye nothing anybody say going to change my mind about that.

Diem basically helped CT out and he doesn't even bother to ask her?! What a shame.... But I also feel like Diem plays this game expecting to be safe

[QUOTE=boncat23;367123]Diem basically helped CT out and he doesn't even bother to ask her?! What a shame.... But I also feel like Diem plays this game expecting to be safe[/QUOTE] Aneesa and Diem's Voting Log: Jungle 1: Derek/Robb Jungle 2: Derek/Robb Jungle 3: Leroy/Ty Jungle 4: Jordan/Marlon Jungle 5: Jordan/Marlon All of these except for Leroy/Ty were going along with what Emily/Paula and Camila/Jemmeye (aka Johnny's alliance) wanted and the Leroy vote was for Wes, not CT. You'll even see Diem talking with Paula and Emily in episode 3 about what guy team to send in, not CT.

[QUOTE=noahh;367121]wes is suppose to be her friend and ct suppose to have her back they should have voted for camila/jemmye nothing anybody say going to change my mind about that.[/QUOTE] I can understand that point of view to a certain extent, but CT also said he didn't feel it was fair to vote for Camila/Jemmye because they were one of the girl teams who had their backs the entire time. I think that's a perfectly valid reason to not vote for them, especially since Diem initially told them she wanted the "harder" team. To most people that means Emily and Paula. Diem has said on multiple occasions (both on the show and in her people blog) that this is a game and people shouldn't take things personally. If she honestly believes that then why get mad at CT and Wes for playing the game in a way that won't screw themselves over in a future Challenge? Isn't it a little hypocritical to justify your decisions as just being "part of the game" yet get mad at other people for also playing the game? I don't like getting involved with all the Diem bashing too much because despite her overreacting tremendously throughout most of this Challenge I really do think she is a nice person off the show. But in regards to the game she's being very unreasonable. I've also never understand the point in flipping out on everyone after it's been decided that you're going to the Jungle. Acting like a fool and getting the entire house mad at you does not change the fact that you have to compete in an elimination. Throwing tantrums accomplishes nothing.

[QUOTE=boncat23;367123]Diem basically helped CT out and he doesn't even bother to ask her?! What a shame.... But I also feel like Diem plays this game expecting to be safe[/QUOTE] I am speculating here, based on what was shown, but I think this is what happened. Diem and Aneesa were knocked out of the competion first. While the other teams were competing Wes and CT asked her who she wanted and she responded that she wanted the stronger team. I think that CT and Wes then went to Jemmye and Camilla and told them that they wouldn't vote them in. When Cooke and Cara Maria ended up winning this threw a wrench in the plan. If you remember the discussion between Diem, CT and Wes, Wes and CT made it clear to her that they asked her who she wanted and she said the stronger team. She said she meant Cooke and Cara Maria but she didn't actually name names. This put CT and Wes in the uncomfortable position of having to break a promise that they made to Camilla and Jemmye. Bottom line is I think it was a communication snafu and CT/Wes were uncomfortable breaking their promise to Camilla and Jemmye at that point. They may have also known how everyone was voting and knew that Diem would end up with the team she wanted.

[QUOTE=noahh;367121]wes is suppose to be her friend and ct suppose to have her back they should have voted for camila/jemmye nothing anybody say going to change my mind about that.[/QUOTE] Diem is still on good terms with Wes and CT so clearly she understands their decision and it is not as cold blooded as you make it sound. The challenge is a game where all participants are there to win money, and not put themselves in a difficult situation for future challenges to maybe save a friend. If Wes and CT's biggest concern was to win Diem money then they would not be on the show. Nehemiah said it best on AfterBuzz, this show is played politically like a business...there are short term moves (which breaking an alliance to give Diem a better shot would do) and there are long term investments (which honoring alliances does).

I thought it made perfect sense to send in Paula/Emily.. assuming Diem was trying to win it all. They're easier to beat in a random elimination round than a final, which they would surely crush Aneesa in. If the goal is to win first place, you take out Paula/Emily when you can. If your goal is just to make it to a final on easy mode and win SOME money, you're a ***** and I hope ya go home!

[QUOTE=Aereas;367137]I thought it made perfect sense to send in Paula/Emily.. assuming Diem was trying to win it all. They're easier to beat in a random elimination round than a final, which they would surely crush Aneesa in. If the goal is to win first place, you take out Paula/Emily when you can. If your goal is just to make it to a final on easy mode and win SOME money, you're a ***** and I hope ya go home![/QUOTE] This is a very good point, especially knowing the jungles the girls had to do. Diem didn't see it this way though, she thought if it was Emily and Paula there was no way she would win.

[QUOTE=WesandCT;367133]Diem is still on good terms with Wes and CT so clearly she understands their decision and it is not as cold blooded as you make it sound. The challenge is a game where all participants are there to win money, and not put themselves in a difficult situation for future challenges to maybe save a friend. If Wes and CT's biggest concern was to win Diem money then they would not be on the show. Nehemiah said it best on AfterBuzz, this show is played politically like a business...there are short term moves (which breaking an alliance to give Diem a better shot would do) and there are long term investments (which honoring alliances does).[/QUOTE] But How does honoring alliances help you in the game though? Who's to say the people that you helped in one challenge will have your back in the next? How do you know if you can really rely on them? These people backstab and go back on their word all the time and if they don't they're more than likely in a position where they don't have to. I guess if you stay true to your alliance people will view you as trustworthy and will want to have your back next challenge(since slot of people come back challenge after challenge this could benefit) bet even that's not a guarantee.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;367164]But How does honoring alliances help you in the game though? Who's to say the people that you helped in one challenge will have your back in the next? How do you know if you can really rely on them? These people backstab and go back on their word all the time and if they don't they're more than likely in a position where they don't have to. I guess if you stay true to your alliance people will view you as trustworthy and will want to have your back next challenge(since slot of people come back challenge after challenge this could benefit) bet even that's not a guarantee.[/QUOTE] It is not a guarantee but like you said it builds others trust in you, while nothing is a guarantee for the next challenge I can tell you breaking an alliance will not better your odds. Truth is neither move really helps your chances short term in winning this challenge, but one move could help you coast by in another challenge. Wes and CT have both been guys who have had bull's-eyes painted on their backs in previous challenges making this alliance that much more important to them.

[QUOTE=WesandCT;367176]It is not a guarantee but like you said it builds others trust in you, while nothing is a guarantee for the next challenge I can tell you breaking an alliance will not better your odds. Truth is neither move really helps your chances short term in winning this challenge, but one move could help you coast by in another challenge. Wes and CT have both been guys who have had bull's-eyes painted on their backs in previous challenges making this alliance that much more important to them.[/QUOTE] True. I see where you coming From.

[QUOTE=AnneK;367131]I am speculating here, based on what was shown, but I think this is what happened. Diem and Aneesa were knocked out of the competion first. While the other teams were competing Wes and CT asked her who she wanted and she responded that she wanted the stronger team. I think that CT and Wes then went to Jemmye and Camilla and told them that they wouldn't vote them in. When Cooke and Cara Maria ended up winning this threw a wrench in the plan. If you remember the discussion between Diem, CT and Wes, Wes and CT made it clear to her that they asked her who she wanted and she said the stronger team. She said she meant Cooke and Cara Maria but she didn't actually name names. This put CT and Wes in the uncomfortable position of having to break a promise that they made to Camilla and Jemmye. Bottom line is I think it was a communication snafu and CT/Wes were uncomfortable breaking their promise to Camilla and Jemmye at that point. They may have also known how everyone was voting and knew that Diem would end up with the team she wanted.[/QUOTE]if jordan/marlon won in a competition and it was just frank/johnny and ct/wes to vote for do ct really think that camila will vote johnny in over him camila is more loyal to johnny then to ct she always will be even if she is mad at him she will never vote against him.

[QUOTE=noahh;367214]if jordan/marlon won in a competition and it was just frank/johnny and ct/wes to vote for do ct really think that camila will vote johnny in over him camila is more loyal to johnny then to ct she always will be even if she is mad at him she will never vote against him.[/QUOTE] Read the post before yours. I think it's more about building trust in the future. Their actions may not have affected Camilla on this challenge but moving forward I think it has the possiblity of doing so. Johnny voted against Camilla and was a jerk to her on this challenge. At some point I hope she would open her eyes and see exactly where she stands with him. And, that there are others who would work with her.

Camila already said she was tired of Bananas and his shenanigans. She's moved on.

Camila is doing an interview with Alex Thursday and I want to hear her thoughts on Bananas considering they were hanging out at the VMAS so I don't know if she is actually done with his BS towards her.

[QUOTE=JEKFAN;367220]Camila is doing an interview with Alex Thursday and I want to hear her thoughts on Bananas considering [B]they were hanging out at the VMAS[/B] so I don't know if she is actually done with his BS towards her.[/QUOTE] that's not what I heard.. :encouragement: They were all seated together and they acted civil and normal towards each-other and then 3 days later Johnny said the most disgusting things on Twitter and got serious **** for it... JB is a ****, plain and simple... he was the one who approached Camila before the season and C thought it was the civil thing to do considering they are friends with the same ppl... I am sure she is gonna talk about all of this on Thursday, but she expressed regret over not listening to Tori more than once recently and does realize that things could have been perhaps different with her team... kinda off-topic here though;)

[QUOTE=LexBlair;367221]that's not what I heard.. :encouragement: They were all seated together and they acted civil and normal towards each-other and then 3 days later Johnny said the most disgusting things on Twitter and got serious **** for it... JB is a ****, plain and simple... he was the one who approached Camila before the season and C thought it was the civil thing to do considering they are friends with the same ppl... I am sure she is gonna talk about all of this on Thursday, but she expressed regret over not listening to Tori more than once recently and does realize that things could have been perhaps different with her team... kinda off-topic here though;)[/QUOTE] Did Camila already say this in a recent interview or how do you know Johnny approached her before the season?

[QUOTE=JEKFAN;367223]Did Camila already say this in a recent interview or how do you know Johnny approached her before the season?[/QUOTE] since it's off tp here, see PM ;

[QUOTE=noahh;367214]if jordan/marlon won in a competition and it was just frank/johnny and ct/wes to vote for do ct really think that camila will vote johnny in over him camila is more loyal to johnny then to ct she always will be even if she is mad at him she will never vote against him.[/QUOTE] Shes with Jemmye though who has more loyalty to Wes/CT and Johnny clearly didnt care about Camilla cause he was willing to vote her in a few times and did vote for her last time, and Camilla went on a huge rant about Johnny so I dont know how much loyalty was left at the end of the game.

[QUOTE=AnneK;367140]This is a very good point, especially knowing the jungles the girls had to do. Diem didn't see it this way though, she thought if it was Emily and Paula there was no way she would win.[/QUOTE] I think that Diem thought that the last girl elimination would be the physical one because they havent had that one yet and ofcourse to make it more exciting just before the finals.

I really liked the aftershow with Wes, because it seemed fun and not as cynical as other cast members. The lady from girl code even called Johnny the dreamy guy and Wes did not take the time to rip Johnny apart. This is how the aftershows should be, fun and not a time to air out dirty laundry or square personal vendettas.

does anyone know the song ? when Jonnny talked about his and CT`s rivarly

[QUOTE=TylerBreeze;369502]does anyone know the song ? when Jonnny talked about his and CT`s rivarly[/QUOTE] when?